Season 2 Abed: Delivered a baby, twice in the background because that happens all the time on the biggest focus of his pop culture obsession: sitcoms
Season 3 Abed: "Let's try removing kool aids with the opposite color kool aid. Why isn't this wound healing?"
Season 2 Abed: Tries to create an impromptu surprise wedding between Jeff and Brita
Season 3 Abed: Dominates the video game Pierce's dad created
Its almost like Abed has some kind of weird tunnel vision where he understands somethings with hyperfocus but lacks the ability to see the world in a normal and broad fashion
The problem is, the show got too caught up in itself. It felt very "inside joke." And even being ON the inside, it was like "haha yeah man, that was a good time, hey what ELSE is new?"
I liked when they began subverting their own inside jokes. "What am i supposed to say to people in line at the bank, I have good news and bad news?" was maybe the highlight of the season.
That clip showed a bit of it "this must be bad, hes dressed as himself!" And everyone just being like "nope!" with the teeth markings. So we will see. On the flip side, if constantly making fun of themselves is their new thing that might get old quick. I agree it seemed like too much Dan Harmon in season 3 and nobody else to keep him in check a bit. Don't get me wrong, he's hilarious, but anyone getting too caught up into their own stuff might kinda lose an objective view on what is actually working.
Season 2 Abed: Delivered a baby, twice in the background because that happens all the time on the biggest focus of his pop culture obsession: sitcoms
Season 3 Abed: "Let's try removing kool aids with the opposite color kool aid. Why isn't this wound healing?"
Season 2 Abed: Tries to create an impromptu surprise wedding between Jeff and Brita
Season 3 Abed: Dominates the video game Pierce's dad created
Its almost like Abed has some kind of weird tunnel vision where he understands somethings with hyperfocus but lacks the ability to see the world in a normal and broad fashion
Gee, it's too bad that there has never been a sitcom or movie in all of history where a person had to do the laundry to wash clothes, or where someone had to clean an infected wound.
Season 2 Abed: Delivered a baby, twice in the background because that happens all the time on the biggest focus of his pop culture obsession: sitcoms
Season 3 Abed: "Let's try removing kool aids with the opposite color kool aid. Why isn't this wound healing?"
Season 2 Abed: Tries to create an impromptu surprise wedding between Jeff and Brita
Season 3 Abed: Dominates the video game Pierce's dad created
Its almost like Abed has some kind of weird tunnel vision where he understands somethings with hyperfocus but lacks the ability to see the world in a normal and broad fashion
Gee, it's too bad that there has never been a sitcom or movie in all of history where a person had to do the laundry to wash clothes, or where someone had to clean an infected wound.
About the only situation where any laundry gets done on any sitcom involved too much detergent being used and the laundry room being flooded with suds, and I can't think of a single instance of wound care being a sitcom episode plotline. So thanks for agreeing?
Eh, season 3 also had Chaos Theory, best episode ever, and a bunch of other highs like the Law and Order ep. And while the narrative got warped a lot more frequently in season 3, I don't think it was any worse than the zombies or the KFC spaceship or Paintball or any other time things got weird. It's just it happens a lot more often in season 3.
I'd also concede it has the highest ratio of meh episodes, but I think the good ones and the Chang Dynasty arc make up for it
Things like Paintball were made to work in the context of the show though. Yes, it intentionally went over the top, but afterward, they were able to bring everything back.
Chang kidnapping the dean and holding him captive for months, having a child army, and trying to blow up the school aren't things you can just come back from.
It's personal preference. One isn't necessarily better than the other. Season 1 and Season 3 definitely have different vibes to them though.
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Zombies
Everyone turned into zombies
And then no one remembered because they all got slightly brain damaged.
In Season 3 that ep would've been in Abed's imagination or something. But it actually happened.
Oh brilliant
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And then no one remembered because they all got slightly brain damaged.
In Season 3 that ep would've been in Abed's imagination or something. But it actually happened.
And it was pretty dumb, too. But that was an exception, not the norm. Harmon admitted it went too far but he "couldn't forgive himself" if he had a sitcom and never did a zombie arch.
That inclination, which cropped up more and more in season two, took over season three.
And then no one remembered because they all got slightly brain damaged.
In Season 3 that ep would've been in Abed's imagination or something. But it actually happened.
And it was pretty dumb, too. But that was an exception, not the norm. Harmon admitted it went too far but he "couldn't forgive himself" if he had a sitcom and never did a zombie arch.
That inclination, which cropped up more and more in season two, took over season three.
Exactly.
Plus, I was talking about Season 1. The Zombie episode was Season 2. (Don't worry, I'm not actually going to be that pedantic).
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I never thought Season 3, got too wacky-this is a show airing in the same block as 30 Rock, after all.
I never thought Season 3, got too wacky-this is a show airing in the same block as 30 Rock, after all.
It's a matter of context. 30 Rock had an element of wackiness from the get go. It's a matter of a show staying consistent with its established tone. Community started off more subdued and grounded (relatively), so its shift to more and more wackiness felt off.
I never thought Season 3, got too wacky-this is a show airing in the same block as 30 Rock, after all.
It's a matter of context. 30 Rock had an element of wackiness from the get go. It's a matter of a show staying consistent with its established tone. Community started off more subdued and grounded (relatively), so its shift to more and more wackiness felt off.
Everybody stop being Debbie Downers until the new episodes come out. And stop being Negative Nancies after that. Be excited Positive Pollies and hope the new episodes are awesome and quit pushing your agenda of what the show should be.
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I don't think people are pushing an agenda. I certainly am not.
My only stance (and thanks to some [chat] based exploration, this was the first post I made on the forums back in season 2) is that season one was one of the best shows I'd ever seen, still is, and I feel it set up a different tone and type of show than what we eventually got. I still like the show, and still find it hilarious most of the time, but I do heave a sigh and wonder what might have been, if only Harmon had kept it in his pants a bit more.
I'm definitely hoping this season is great, though.
I loved season 3 and all of your complains are utter nonsense to me and so when the show comes back up i'm just going to throw my hands into the air and go WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE for twenty minutes
then i'll watch it
then i will massage my face because it will hurt from laughing
If you can't see the difference between an absurd game of pool in you underware to prove a point versus Chang literally holding the dean hostage with a deanalganger, I dunno what to tell you
In real life I've done stuff as ridiculous as the former. That was silly but grounded in a real world
Season 2 Abed: Delivered a baby, twice in the background because that happens all the time on the biggest focus of his pop culture obsession: sitcoms
Season 3 Abed: "Let's try removing kool aids with the opposite color kool aid. Why isn't this wound healing?"
Season 2 Abed: Tries to create an impromptu surprise wedding between Jeff and Brita
Season 3 Abed: Dominates the video game Pierce's dad created
Its almost like Abed has some kind of weird tunnel vision where he understands somethings with hyperfocus but lacks the ability to see the world in a normal and broad fashion
Gee, it's too bad that there has never been a sitcom or movie in all of history where a person had to do the laundry to wash clothes, or where someone had to clean an infected wound.
About the only situation where any laundry gets done on any sitcom involved too much detergent being used and the laundry room being flooded with suds, and I can't think of a single instance of wound care being a sitcom episode plotline. So thanks for agreeing?
Seriously? I'm pretty sure that out of all the TV shows involving house maids or house moms, the subject of laundry comes up at some point. Or how about...
None of these shows give the impression that washing Kool-Aid with the opposite color Kool-Aid is a good idea.
As for wounds, Abed has never watched an action movie where a character needed antiseptic? Here's one example from my childhood of antiseptic being a major plot point. I'm sure there are more. I guess there was also an episode of Lost, but I can't find a clip online.
Also, you're completely missing the point of Abed's character. He explains very clearly in seasons 1 & 2 that he understands the difference between reality and fiction just fine, but he relies on fiction to give him rules and structure that are not readily apparent in the real world, because he has trouble following social cues and nuances. Issues like doing laundry and cleaning wounds are not matters of social nuance. There is absolutely no reason why Abed would struggle to with these things.
If you can't see the difference between an absurd game of pool in you underware to prove a point versus Chang literally holding the dean hostage with a deanalganger, I dunno what to tell you
In real life I've done stuff as ridiculous as the former. That was silly but grounded in a real world
The pool episode was a case of escalation. The end result was ridiculous, but each individual step to getting there was still plausible.
The entire thought process behind Dean kidnapping basically consisted of "Oh, hey, that DJ looks like Moby!"
If you can't see the difference between an absurd game of pool in you underware to prove a point versus Chang literally holding the dean hostage with a deanalganger, I dunno what to tell you
In real life I've done stuff as ridiculous as the former. That was silly but grounded in a real world
The pool episode was a case of escalation. The end result was ridiculous, but each individual step to getting there was still plausible.
The entire thought process behind Dean kidnapping basically consisted of "Oh, hey, that DJ looks like Moby!"
The Chang Empire was a decent idea executed - IMO - poorly.
Like, the amazing way to do it would've been if they'd snuck a little bit more of it into each episode up to the climax so Greendale became more and more dystopian in the background and then used that as the catalyst to the riot. Basically like the "Abed delivers a baby" plot but writ large across the season.
Isn't that basically how it went down? Chang got the Changlorious Basterds pretty early on. They were involved in the pillow fight too iirc.
As for wounds, Abed has never watched an action movie where a character needed antiseptic? Here's one example from my childhood of antiseptic being a major plot point. I'm sure there are more. I guess there was also an episode of Lost, but I can't find a clip online.
Plus, Investigative Journalism where he's referencing MASH for most of the episode.
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And until season three Abed didn't base his knowledge off movies, he based his interactions with other people based on movies and TV shows.
That's the distinction, sure "we already know the opposite color koolaid doesn't work" is hilarious, but it is from a totally different place than earlier Abed bits.
I believe that the combination of Abed and Troy makes both of them dumber, because neither one wants to tell the other when they're being dumb and wrong.
Yeah, we have to be careful too, because abed and Troy are ridiculous people. Ridiculous people tend to do ridiculous stuff simply because it's ridiculous.
I mean I can imagine a scenario where me and my friends laughingly spill opposite colored koolaid, knowing full well that it wont work simply because the concept is funny
There's no reason to believe they weren't fully aware that it wouldn't work when trying it, or that they even really tried it at all and it wasn't just a joke line for the character. The characters themselves may have been being funny, within their own universe, instead of being stupid in their universe and funny to us
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Yeah, we have to be careful too, because abed and Troy are ridiculous people. Ridiculous people tend to do ridiculous stuff simply because it's ridiculous.
I mean I can imagine a scenario where me and my friends laughingly spill opposite colored koolaid, knowing full well that it wont work simply because the concept is funny
There's no reason to believe they weren't fully aware that it wouldn't work when trying it, or that they even really tried it at all and it wasn't just a joke line for the character. The characters themselves may have been being funny, within their own universe, instead of being stupid in their universe and funny to us
So what you're saying is that Abed is Keyser Soze and the series will end with him revealing that he knew social interactions all along.
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Yeah, we have to be careful too, because abed and Troy are ridiculous people. Ridiculous people tend to do ridiculous stuff simply because it's ridiculous.
I mean I can imagine a scenario where me and my friends laughingly spill opposite colored koolaid, knowing full well that it wont work simply because the concept is funny
There's no reason to believe they weren't fully aware that it wouldn't work when trying it, or that they even really tried it at all and it wasn't just a joke line for the character. The characters themselves may have been being funny, within their own universe, instead of being stupid in their universe and funny to us
So what you're saying is that Abed is Keyser Soze and the series will end with him revealing that he knew social interactions all along.
Well no
Troy was actually the one to make the koolaid comment. There's no reason to believe he didn't realize it was a funny comment when saying it.
For all the "characters are dumber in season 3" talk, the only time it has ever actually been weird to me is in the second Paintball ep.
Chang's a coward.
Last year Chang was a paintball ultra pro. It's not like they forgot - his custom el tigre machine gun appeared again.
The idea is that Chang was a bully. And like many bullies, he's a coward at heart.
In season one, he basically cheated on two levels. First, he went home to get all his gear. Second, he entered late in the game after most of the field was cleared out.
In season two, he was a regular student, with no unfair advantage. Also, season two focused on the "low on ammo" storyline, and Chang isn't effective without his machine gun. On top of that, all of the other kids have gotten better.
So all of that makes sense.
What is bad, however, is when he makes speeches about how "Fires can't go through walls, it's not a ghost!"
Especially when he already had a storyline earlier that season, where he witnessed a fire going through doors.
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I liked when they began subverting their own inside jokes. "What am i supposed to say to people in line at the bank, I have good news and bad news?" was maybe the highlight of the season.
That clip showed a bit of it "this must be bad, hes dressed as himself!" And everyone just being like "nope!" with the teeth markings. So we will see. On the flip side, if constantly making fun of themselves is their new thing that might get old quick. I agree it seemed like too much Dan Harmon in season 3 and nobody else to keep him in check a bit. Don't get me wrong, he's hilarious, but anyone getting too caught up into their own stuff might kinda lose an objective view on what is actually working.
Gee, it's too bad that there has never been a sitcom or movie in all of history where a person had to do the laundry to wash clothes, or where someone had to clean an infected wound.
About the only situation where any laundry gets done on any sitcom involved too much detergent being used and the laundry room being flooded with suds, and I can't think of a single instance of wound care being a sitcom episode plotline. So thanks for agreeing?
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Season 3 had three seasons worth of flanderization in it. You basically jumped from season four of the office to season eight.
Things like Paintball were made to work in the context of the show though. Yes, it intentionally went over the top, but afterward, they were able to bring everything back.
Chang kidnapping the dean and holding him captive for months, having a child army, and trying to blow up the school aren't things you can just come back from.
It's personal preference. One isn't necessarily better than the other. Season 1 and Season 3 definitely have different vibes to them though.
Zombies
Everyone turned into zombies
And then no one remembered because they all got slightly brain damaged.
In Season 3 that ep would've been in Abed's imagination or something. But it actually happened.
And it was pretty dumb, too. But that was an exception, not the norm. Harmon admitted it went too far but he "couldn't forgive himself" if he had a sitcom and never did a zombie arch.
That inclination, which cropped up more and more in season two, took over season three.
Exactly.
Plus, I was talking about Season 1. The Zombie episode was Season 2. (Don't worry, I'm not actually going to be that pedantic).
It's a matter of context. 30 Rock had an element of wackiness from the get go. It's a matter of a show staying consistent with its established tone. Community started off more subdued and grounded (relatively), so its shift to more and more wackiness felt off.
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My only stance (and thanks to some [chat] based exploration, this was the first post I made on the forums back in season 2) is that season one was one of the best shows I'd ever seen, still is, and I feel it set up a different tone and type of show than what we eventually got. I still like the show, and still find it hilarious most of the time, but I do heave a sigh and wonder what might have been, if only Harmon had kept it in his pants a bit more.
I'm definitely hoping this season is great, though.
then i'll watch it
then i will massage my face because it will hurt from laughing
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In real life I've done stuff as ridiculous as the former. That was silly but grounded in a real world
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Seriously? I'm pretty sure that out of all the TV shows involving house maids or house moms, the subject of laundry comes up at some point. Or how about...
None of these shows give the impression that washing Kool-Aid with the opposite color Kool-Aid is a good idea.
As for wounds, Abed has never watched an action movie where a character needed antiseptic? Here's one example from my childhood of antiseptic being a major plot point. I'm sure there are more. I guess there was also an episode of Lost, but I can't find a clip online.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/13980
Or here's something... ever hear of these things called commercials?
Also, you're completely missing the point of Abed's character. He explains very clearly in seasons 1 & 2 that he understands the difference between reality and fiction just fine, but he relies on fiction to give him rules and structure that are not readily apparent in the real world, because he has trouble following social cues and nuances. Issues like doing laundry and cleaning wounds are not matters of social nuance. There is absolutely no reason why Abed would struggle to with these things.
The pool episode was a case of escalation. The end result was ridiculous, but each individual step to getting there was still plausible.
The entire thought process behind Dean kidnapping basically consisted of "Oh, hey, that DJ looks like Moby!"
Isn't that basically how it went down? Chang got the Changlorious Basterds pretty early on. They were involved in the pillow fight too iirc.
That would have been awesome
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That's the distinction, sure "we already know the opposite color koolaid doesn't work" is hilarious, but it is from a totally different place than earlier Abed bits.
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I mean I can imagine a scenario where me and my friends laughingly spill opposite colored koolaid, knowing full well that it wont work simply because the concept is funny
There's no reason to believe they weren't fully aware that it wouldn't work when trying it, or that they even really tried it at all and it wasn't just a joke line for the character. The characters themselves may have been being funny, within their own universe, instead of being stupid in their universe and funny to us
So what you're saying is that Abed is Keyser Soze and the series will end with him revealing that he knew social interactions all along.
Doc: That's right, twenty five years into the future. I've always dreamed on seeing the future, looking beyond my years, seeing the progress of mankind. I'll also be able to see who wins the next twenty-five world series.
Troy was actually the one to make the koolaid comment. There's no reason to believe he didn't realize it was a funny comment when saying it.
But yeah, that would be a pretty awesome ending
It takes place in a post-apocalyptic nuclear future, featuring Mega Cities and Mega Blocks and Mega Highways.
Theres also a type of Mega Dope called "Slow Mo."
"Slow Mo" gets you Mega High.
Chang's a coward.
Last year Chang was a paintball ultra pro. It's not like they forgot - his custom el tigre machine gun appeared again.
The idea is that Chang was a bully. And like many bullies, he's a coward at heart.
In season one, he basically cheated on two levels. First, he went home to get all his gear. Second, he entered late in the game after most of the field was cleared out.
In season two, he was a regular student, with no unfair advantage. Also, season two focused on the "low on ammo" storyline, and Chang isn't effective without his machine gun. On top of that, all of the other kids have gotten better.
So all of that makes sense.
What is bad, however, is when he makes speeches about how "Fires can't go through walls, it's not a ghost!"
Especially when he already had a storyline earlier that season, where he witnessed a fire going through doors.