so I'm reading that Verizon discontinued the 32gb Galaxy S3 awhile back, and that there's a possibility they might not do a 32gb S4.
Is it true that most apps and games have to be installed on the device's memory and you can't run them from an SD card?
Yes, but with 16 gb, you really don't have to worry about filling it up with apps. I had a dozen games installed on mine and wasn't even half way full.
If you side-load music, you can just use an SD card. If you download music, you can easily set up a symlink if you root.
16 gigs is a stupid amount of space when the largest games are in the 100 meg realm.
If it's some how a massive issue (like, you store raw video data on your phone or something), you can symlink apps off your SD card. It's a little complex to get the apps to run, but possible.
Yeah but then I read stuff like this on another forum:
If you are not a gamer, the 12GB free should be fine. If you are a gamer, 12GB by any stetch is not enough. That is unless you only play a few games and then app juggle. All of the newer Gameloft and EA games (as example) are over 1GB and then add at least 500mb of data. The average 3D game loads 400MB, and this is weighted due to a lot of older 3D games that were made before the newer chipsets became common.
It's not even 12GB remaining.
It's 9.6GB remains after you first switch on.
Again, I've never had a smartphone, so these guys might be full of shit. But it gives me pause.
The thing they fail to mention is that most of the games which are going to consume bulk data fall into one of a few categories:
Games which suck.
Games which are nothing more than ways to nickle and dime you to death (See: Gameloft).
Games you will delete after playing and never download again (the EA games all fall under here. They are short, and have very little replay-ability).
Games you keep forever (maybe one or two which tickle you in just the right way and you always come back).
Emulators (where the data intensive part goes onto your SD card anyway).
That's been my experience. I've spent this entire month getting into Android gaming, most of the games are nothing more than microtransaction fronts designed to force you to spend as much money as possible with very little substance. So you download this huge game (Dungeon Hunters 4 is a great example), play for an hour, realize it's not your bag and you don't want to spend money every few hours just to use health potions and delete it.
I have 23 games (just counted) installed. My total application data is 4.94 gigs. In the past week the only game I've actually played is the emulator I have, and Ravensword 2 because that shit rocks.
Edit: Oh, I also play the ever living shit out of 10000000 because that is the best quick pick-up/put-down game ever.
While Im pretty surprised theyre not offering the 32GB S4, looking at the storage usage on my S3 kinda makes me regret going for the 32GB phone. Im currently at 22.78GB available, and most of the things I have installed are games (although all of the games I have are free games except for PvZ and whatever Ive gotten from the Amazon free app a day thing), all of my music is available through Google Music so I dont store any of that locally (and fortunately I still have unlimited data).
I dont think being stuck with 16GBs is a huge deal, especially since you can root and throw in a SD card to quadruple your storage space, but I understand the consternation.
so I'm reading that Verizon discontinued the 32gb Galaxy S3 awhile back, and that there's a possibility they might not do a 32gb S4.
Is it true that most apps and games have to be installed on the device's memory and you can't run them from an SD card?
Yes, but with 16 gb, you really don't have to worry about filling it up with apps. I had a dozen games installed on mine and wasn't even half way full.
If you side-load music, you can just use an SD card. If you download music, you can easily set up a symlink if you root.
16 gigs is a stupid amount of space when the largest games are in the 100 meg realm.
If it's some how a massive issue (like, you store raw video data on your phone or something), you can symlink apps off your SD card. It's a little complex to get the apps to run, but possible.
16GB is TINY when you download one or two big games. Mass Effect, Shadowgun, Bards Tale... they take from 1-4 GB EACH
so I'm reading that Verizon discontinued the 32gb Galaxy S3 awhile back, and that there's a possibility they might not do a 32gb S4.
Is it true that most apps and games have to be installed on the device's memory and you can't run them from an SD card?
Yes, but with 16 gb, you really don't have to worry about filling it up with apps. I had a dozen games installed on mine and wasn't even half way full.
If you side-load music, you can just use an SD card. If you download music, you can easily set up a symlink if you root.
16 gigs is a stupid amount of space when the largest games are in the 100 meg realm.
If it's some how a massive issue (like, you store raw video data on your phone or something), you can symlink apps off your SD card. It's a little complex to get the apps to run, but possible.
16GB is TINY when you download one or two big games. Mass Effect, Shadowgun, Bards Tale... they take from 1-4 GB EACH
How can I have 23 games, including Epoch, several styles of O&C, half entire humble android bundle, and lots of other silly apps... And be under half full?
Maybe something else is eating up your data? I will admit I don't have the games you listed installed. SG:DZ wreaked of cash shop shenanigans, and I played BT eons ago.
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
Wait wait wait, what is this about not being able to install games to the memory card on the S4? I have an Evo3D and I just install everything to my memory card. They basically install a small hook/launcher on the internal memory, but all the data is on my memory card. How and or why would this be any different on the S4? I currently have about 23 gigs in games installed on my phone, if I can't install things to the 32GB memory card I BOUGHT for that purposes, then what's the point of upgrading to the S4?
Wait wait wait, what is this about not being able to install games to the memory card on the S4? I have an Evo3D and I just install everything to my memory card. They basically install a small hook/launcher on the internal memory, but all the data is on my memory card. How and or why would this be any different on the S4? I currently have about 23 gigs in games installed on my phone, if I can't install things to the 32GB memory card I BOUGHT for that purposes, then what's the point of upgrading to the S4?
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And you can get around it with a little technical finagling anyway.
Though really, I've never had a tablet or phone over 16GB til I got my HTC One and I haven't had any problems.
I just store only the music I want to listed to and whatever apps and videos I'm going to use and watch. With android it is super, super easy to manage your files. Just dragging and dropping is so nice.
so I'm reading that Verizon discontinued the 32gb Galaxy S3 awhile back, and that there's a possibility they might not do a 32gb S4.
Is it true that most apps and games have to be installed on the device's memory and you can't run them from an SD card?
Yes, but with 16 gb, you really don't have to worry about filling it up with apps. I had a dozen games installed on mine and wasn't even half way full.
If you side-load music, you can just use an SD card. If you download music, you can easily set up a symlink if you root.
16 gigs is a stupid amount of space when the largest games are in the 100 meg realm.
If it's some how a massive issue (like, you store raw video data on your phone or something), you can symlink apps off your SD card. It's a little complex to get the apps to run, but possible.
16GB is TINY when you download one or two big games. Mass Effect, Shadowgun, Bards Tale... they take from 1-4 GB EACH
How can I have 23 games, including Epoch, several styles of O&C, half entire humble android bundle, and lots of other silly apps... And be under half full?
Maybe something else is eating up your data? I will admit I don't have the games you listed installed. SG:DZ wreaked of cash shop shenanigans, and I played BT eons ago.
My internal memory is actually at 1/16 GB since I moved it all with various apps. But the BIG games alone take around 24GB on the SD card now, without any regular sized games or apps.
And of course you need root for it, and fiddling. Honestly, 16GB internal memory is kinda disappointing.
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Are the returns cell companies provide you as high quality as they tout
Switched to an HTC One from my near 3-year-old HTC Evo...much lighter, same width, and just a bit taller. Speakerphone calls should suck a lot less now too!
Assuming the pictures aren't fake, i'll probably grab one of the Mophie battery cases, and then it'll basically end up about the same weight it was before, except with even more battery.
You and me both, except my Evo was older. I want to check out the kickstand case, because I miss that badly. Supposedly it's terrible, though.
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
edited April 2013
With this new info I may just have to cancel my pre-order. I have more than 16 gigs worth of games on my current 2 year old phone. So there is like no chance that future versions of Android might revert back to allowing you to just install the launcher on the internal and the data to the SD? If that's the case I may just have to swallow a hard lump and seriously settle for the HTC One because at least there I get almost as good of a phone with double the space.
Edit: A co-worker is telling me to just get the S4 and root it. Though I'm wondering what the potential pitfalls of that would be.
I would say there is zero chance that they will ever go back to allowing apps to be installed on the SD card.
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
So then, considering I value space and play games, would the HTC One be my best bet even though the S4 beats it in early benchmarks? Or would the S4 last me longer horsepower wise?
You could just wait a little longer until carriers have 32GB S4's available? What carrier are you with?
I'm with Sprint. When would the 32GB S4's be available? I mean what kind of wait am I looking forward to? I've already hit my upgrade period and I pre-ordered the S4. Having to cancel that and wait a while would really suck, that is unless there is something hugely different between the S4 and the HTC One that would make it a much better purchase.
I do think its a little odd Google removed a feature they added like one or two versions of Android ago. I remember being really excited about the move to SD thing (because my Incredible has like no space) but now I cant move anything. Weird.
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The HTC one and S4 are fairly equivalent spec wise. I greatly prefer the build quality of the solid aluminum construction on the One. But that means it doesn't have a removable battery and sd card slot like the S4 has.
The screen on the S4 is .3 inches bigger than the One. But the same resolution. So the pixel density on the one is a little better.
Really just depends on which of those tradeoffs you prefer. Rooting you phone and doing custom junk to it is dead simple and fairly safe on Android. So that fix to install the stuff on the sd card will be pretty easy to do
You could just wait a little longer until carriers have 32GB S4's available? What carrier are you with?
I'm with Sprint. When would the 32GB S4's be available? I mean what kind of wait am I looking forward to?
No hard info on that for now I don't think.
unless there is something hugely different between the S4 and the HTC One that would make it a much better purchase.
I'm sure if you care to look you could find endless internet wank on the relative merits of the S4 and One (hell, you could look a little further back in this thread).
Sticking to as objective and basic a rundown of the respective selling points as I can muster:
One
Metal body
32GB of storage built in
Nice, loud, front-facing speakers
Experimental camera design reportedly better for some things
S4
Removable battery
SD card slot
Bigger screen
Features like air gestures, eye-tracking, etc.
They are both worthy devices to be sure. My roommate just got a One and is very happy with it. It is slick but nothing about it is compelling me to hold out for a way to get it instead of replacing my S3 with an S4 as I had planned.
Edit: Oh, I think the S4 ships with Jelly Bean 4.2 out of the box and the One is still on 4.1? Not sure about that.
Why don't you guys just... Not install every game? Can't you just pull them down off Google Play?
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
My 32gb MicroSD card is pointless now.
I'd heard mention of app juggling, is there a special program now? Or is it still just hooking your phone up to your computer, mounting it, and digging around in file folders manually copying things?
SD cards are still perfectly usable for storing files, especially media. Not everyone stores a lot of files on their phone, of course, but not everybody installs a lot of big games either.
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
Well, downloading a few GB isn't instantaneous for me
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Ok so suggestions, if I were to pick up a One on the way home and do the 50 dollars bonus trade-in on my Evo3D, what would the best way to transfer my apps to the new phone be? I don't mean re-downloading them, I mean transferring the ones that I have put significant time in so I don't lose my progress.
Ok so suggestions, if I were to pick up a One on the way home and do the 50 dollars bonus trade-in on my Evo3D, what would the best way to transfer my apps to the new phone be? I don't mean re-downloading them, I mean transferring the ones that I have put significant time in so I don't lose my progress.
Is your EVO 3D rooted and are you going to root the One? The answers you receive will be very different depending on your answer.
Ok so suggestions, if I were to pick up a One on the way home and do the 50 dollars bonus trade-in on my Evo3D, what would the best way to transfer my apps to the new phone be? I don't mean re-downloading them, I mean transferring the ones that I have put significant time in so I don't lose my progress.
Is your EVO 3D rooted and are you going to root the One? The answers you receive will be very different depending on your answer.
No and no. I'm also wondering if stores like BB still have that device that they just hook up both phones to and it transfers everything over.
Ok so suggestions, if I were to pick up a One on the way home and do the 50 dollars bonus trade-in on my Evo3D, what would the best way to transfer my apps to the new phone be? I don't mean re-downloading them, I mean transferring the ones that I have put significant time in so I don't lose my progress.
Is your EVO 3D rooted and are you going to root the One? The answers you receive will be very different depending on your answer.
No and no.
Ugh, I think you might be SOL man, without rooting I'm not sure what will pull all that app data out of the phone.
Rooted is simple, run Titanium Backup on your 3D and then run it again on the One to restore app data.
So I need to encrypt my phone for work, but when I look in the Security settings I don't see the option everybody says is supposed to be there. I'm on Android 4.1, and I've configured a PIN, plugged it in fully charged, etc. Anybody know why the Encryption option wouldn't show up at all?
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The_SpaniardIt's never lupinesIrvine, CaliforniaRegistered Userregular
edited April 2013
Well great. Got my new phone, downloaded Carbon on my old phone and PC, hook it up, and only a fraction of a percent of all the apps are even listed. Not a single game, so no transferring saves for me.
Edit: Rebooted everything and yay all listed, get to the point I want to back shit up and it's asking me for money. Awesome...
Edit: Oh, I think the S4 ships with Jelly Bean 4.2 out of the box and the One is still on 4.1? Not sure about that.
Yeah, the One's on 4.1.2 till next month, I believe, but the S4 ships with 4.2.2. The main things I've missed since moving back from a 4.2 phone are the split notification/toggles panel and lockscreen widgets, but there are a few other additions in 4.2 which others might miss out on.
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Yeah but then I read stuff like this on another forum:
Again, I've never had a smartphone, so these guys might be full of shit. But it gives me pause.
The thing they fail to mention is that most of the games which are going to consume bulk data fall into one of a few categories:
Games which suck.
Games which are nothing more than ways to nickle and dime you to death (See: Gameloft).
Games you will delete after playing and never download again (the EA games all fall under here. They are short, and have very little replay-ability).
Games you keep forever (maybe one or two which tickle you in just the right way and you always come back).
Emulators (where the data intensive part goes onto your SD card anyway).
That's been my experience. I've spent this entire month getting into Android gaming, most of the games are nothing more than microtransaction fronts designed to force you to spend as much money as possible with very little substance. So you download this huge game (Dungeon Hunters 4 is a great example), play for an hour, realize it's not your bag and you don't want to spend money every few hours just to use health potions and delete it.
I have 23 games (just counted) installed. My total application data is 4.94 gigs. In the past week the only game I've actually played is the emulator I have, and Ravensword 2 because that shit rocks.
Edit: Oh, I also play the ever living shit out of 10000000 because that is the best quick pick-up/put-down game ever.
I dont think being stuck with 16GBs is a huge deal, especially since you can root and throw in a SD card to quadruple your storage space, but I understand the consternation.
16GB is TINY when you download one or two big games. Mass Effect, Shadowgun, Bards Tale... they take from 1-4 GB EACH
How can I have 23 games, including Epoch, several styles of O&C, half entire humble android bundle, and lots of other silly apps... And be under half full?
Maybe something else is eating up your data? I will admit I don't have the games you listed installed. SG:DZ wreaked of cash shop shenanigans, and I played BT eons ago.
Its an android 4.X thing, not the phone.
Though really, I've never had a tablet or phone over 16GB til I got my HTC One and I haven't had any problems.
I just store only the music I want to listed to and whatever apps and videos I'm going to use and watch. With android it is super, super easy to manage your files. Just dragging and dropping is so nice.
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And of course you need root for it, and fiddling. Honestly, 16GB internal memory is kinda disappointing.
You and me both, except my Evo was older. I want to check out the kickstand case, because I miss that badly. Supposedly it's terrible, though.
Edit: A co-worker is telling me to just get the S4 and root it. Though I'm wondering what the potential pitfalls of that would be.
I'm with Sprint. When would the 32GB S4's be available? I mean what kind of wait am I looking forward to? I've already hit my upgrade period and I pre-ordered the S4. Having to cancel that and wait a while would really suck, that is unless there is something hugely different between the S4 and the HTC One that would make it a much better purchase.
I'll take other suggestions, as well. I usually just bought whatever verizon was peddling, but I can't do that now!
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The screen on the S4 is .3 inches bigger than the One. But the same resolution. So the pixel density on the one is a little better.
Really just depends on which of those tradeoffs you prefer. Rooting you phone and doing custom junk to it is dead simple and fairly safe on Android. So that fix to install the stuff on the sd card will be pretty easy to do
No hard info on that for now I don't think.
I'm sure if you care to look you could find endless internet wank on the relative merits of the S4 and One (hell, you could look a little further back in this thread).
Sticking to as objective and basic a rundown of the respective selling points as I can muster:
One
Metal body
32GB of storage built in
Nice, loud, front-facing speakers
Experimental camera design reportedly better for some things
S4
Removable battery
SD card slot
Bigger screen
Features like air gestures, eye-tracking, etc.
They are both worthy devices to be sure. My roommate just got a One and is very happy with it. It is slick but nothing about it is compelling me to hold out for a way to get it instead of replacing my S3 with an S4 as I had planned.
Edit: Oh, I think the S4 ships with Jelly Bean 4.2 out of the box and the One is still on 4.1? Not sure about that.
I'd heard mention of app juggling, is there a special program now? Or is it still just hooking your phone up to your computer, mounting it, and digging around in file folders manually copying things?
SD cards are still perfectly usable for storing files, especially media. Not everyone stores a lot of files on their phone, of course, but not everybody installs a lot of big games either.
He is asking why it's necessary to have all of your games installed all the time when you can download and install them anytime you want.
Is your EVO 3D rooted and are you going to root the One? The answers you receive will be very different depending on your answer.
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No and no. I'm also wondering if stores like BB still have that device that they just hook up both phones to and it transfers everything over.
Ugh, I think you might be SOL man, without rooting I'm not sure what will pull all that app data out of the phone.
Rooted is simple, run Titanium Backup on your 3D and then run it again on the One to restore app data.
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Not sure what I want to backup. Might just do it manually
Edit: Rebooted everything and yay all listed, get to the point I want to back shit up and it's asking me for money. Awesome...
Yeah, the One's on 4.1.2 till next month, I believe, but the S4 ships with 4.2.2. The main things I've missed since moving back from a 4.2 phone are the split notification/toggles panel and lockscreen widgets, but there are a few other additions in 4.2 which others might miss out on.