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Cops Gone Wild: Stop & Frisk Ordered Stopped, Frisked Edition

AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
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In a win for civil liberties, a Manhattan judge rules the NYPD "stop & frisk" program to be unconstitutional.

Frankly, this is like saying "the sky is blue" or "the Mets suck". What's really offensive is seeing the NYPD commissioner continue to defend it. People have the right to be secure in their person, regardless of the color of their skin or the content of their bank account.

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  • tinwhiskerstinwhiskers Registered User regular
    Technically that only applies to the trespass stops. Which was them basically acting as door-men(challenging people entering private apartment building for IDs and if they were lacking them, temporarily detaining them which of course then nessecitated a frisk for 'officer safety'.

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    And the judge reinstates the program because it would be too much hassle for the NYPD to shut it down.

    Fuck.

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  • DeebaserDeebaser on my way to work in a suit and a tie Ahhhh...come on fucking guyRegistered User regular
    Abandoning poor neighborhoods to gangs and drug dealers is a pretty shit idea.

    http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map

  • SerukoSeruko Ferocious Kitten of The Farthest NorthRegistered User regular
    AngelHedgie wrote: »
    In a win for civil liberties, a Manhattan judge rules the NYPD "stop & frisk" program to be unconstitutional.

    Frankly, this is like saying "the sky is blue" or "the Mets suck". What's really offensive is seeing the NYPD commissioner continue to defend it. People have the right to be secure in their person, regardless of the color of their skin or the content of their bank account.

    On the one hand stop and frisk is a terrible obviously racially motivated and targeted scheme.
    On the other hand NYC has half the murder rate of Chicago, and is down from 46 ish per 100,000 in 1990 to 6.5 in 2012.
    That's a pretty big reduction.
    On the gripping hand the reduction in murder rate started in 1994 and has been decreasing pretty steadily since.
    So IDK.

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    Seruko wrote: »
    AngelHedgie wrote: »
    In a win for civil liberties, a Manhattan judge rules the NYPD "stop & frisk" program to be unconstitutional.

    Frankly, this is like saying "the sky is blue" or "the Mets suck". What's really offensive is seeing the NYPD commissioner continue to defend it. People have the right to be secure in their person, regardless of the color of their skin or the content of their bank account.

    On the one hand stop and frisk is a terrible obviously racially motivated and targeted scheme.
    On the other hand NYC has half the murder rate of Chicago, and is down from 46 ish per 100,000 in 1990 to 6.5 in 2012.
    That's a pretty big reduction.
    On the gripping hand the reduction in murder rate started in 1994 and has been decreasing pretty steadily since.
    So IDK.

    The murder rate has been dropping nationally since 1994. The question isn't whether NYC's murder rate dropped, the question is whether it dropped more or faster than the rest of the country's.

    (Technically, that's not the only question - natural experiments on crime rates are fraught with methodological hurdles and it's virtually impossible to firmly glean causality from a single region's data. But what I just posted is a start.)

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  • AngelHedgieAngelHedgie Registered User regular
    So, the judge has made his final ruling: NYPD stop and frisk policies violated the constitutional rights of the people targeted. As part of the ruling, the judge has ordered independent oversight of the NYPD in this regard.

    Can we please take Ray Kelly's name off the DHS shortlist now? Pretty please?

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  • durandal4532durandal4532 Registered User regular
    Deebaser wrote: »
    Abandoning poor neighborhoods to gangs and drug dealers is a pretty shit idea.

    http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map

    Who has proposed abandoning poor neighborhoods to gangs?

    We're all in this together
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