Diablo 3:Economics- It's not rocket science.

SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
edited April 2013 in Games and Technology
So I'm just going to copy paste the old OP for now
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Patch 1.07 preview
The Infernal Machine
Monster Power

Forum HC challenge, should it be re-invigorated:
RandomEngy wrote: »
Guess what's back on?

The Penny-Arcade Forums Super Hardcore Challenge

Rend got busy so I'm taking over for him. And I'm adding a 50 million gold prize for the winner.

Are you hardcore? Do you believe yourself to be the hardest, of all cores? Prove your mettle in this test of speed, skill and luck against opponents eager to show you exactly how much better they are!

The first to kill the Butcher with a new Hardcore character on MP1 will take home 50 million gold.
Glory is for the young: You must make a new Hardcore character for the contest. Start with an empty inventory and 0 experience points. I will let everyone know a special word to put in their character's name before the contest starts.
Gold is for the weak: You cannot buy anything from the vendor or take anything out of the stash. You can only use what drops for you.
Friends are for the incompetent: You must be the only player in the game. You can disable Quick Join in the Social settings to make sure no one crashes your game. Also you must dismiss followers as soon as possible.
Privacy is for the unknown: You must stream your attempt, and agree to let the event caster re-stream it. We want to watch your grisly death! Twitch TV is a great place to stream to.

The winner will be the first player to kill the Butcher
If all combatants die, the player who made it furthest in the quest chain wins
If there is a tie on quest progress, the player who made it to their spot the fastest wins

Reward:
The winner will receive 50 million gold (softcore) on any realm.

Players will have to balance speed and survivability: they can run past packs of enemies , but will give up valuable levels in the process. If you play it safe, someone more reckless than you may take home the gold.

In addition to the individual streams, we'll have an overall stream showing play from different player's streams and giving commentary. Either me or another volunteer will do this.
The event will be casted here: . Those participating should watch at the start time for a final recap of the rules and the special word to put in their character names.

It will be held on Saturday, November 3.
12 PM Pacific Daylight (noon)
3 PM Eastern Daylight
8 PM BST

WARNING! There has been a lot of hacking of Battle.net Accounts since Diablo 3's release. GET AN AUTHENTICATOR. You can get them for iOS and Android devices for free, or from the Blizzard store for a reasonable price. If you get hacked Blizzard will restore your items and characters, but only a limited number of times. After the first you will need to get an authenticator anyway, and after the second you will no longer be able to use the RMAH.

D3's opening cinematic
What's different from Diablo 2?

The game is still an isometric click-fest where you slaughter thousands of demons in the enternal search for better loot, though several of the mechanics/game systems have been changed. It is now ONLINE ONLY, with a max party size of 4. You can set games to be private (invite only), friends only, and open to public. With friends only games, your friends will see a quick join button on their main screens, letting them drop in any time as long as there is room. "Appear Offline" functionality will be coming soon.

Skill trees, skill points, synergies, and manual stat placement are all gone. Instead, all of your stat points are gained and placed automatically with each level up, with distribution based on your class. Skills are now broken into Actives and Passives, and are all gained as you level up, along with the new skill runes. The potion belt is also gone, and potions themselves now have a 30 second cooldown, so no more chugging to stay alive. Instead, enemies drop Health Orbs, which simply heal you and all your allies within range when you walk over them. Runes and Runewords are also gone, and have been replace with a proper crafting system.

Hardcore makes a return, but the requires you to have one character reach level 10 in normal before you can create any Hardcore characters. Last but not least, Hell is no longer the hardest difficulty in the game. That duty has been taken over by the Inferno difficulty, which has proven to be a significant challenge.

There's a lot more detailed info available at the official game guide, including skill calculators and character profiles. If you're still curious, you can try the game for free up to the first boss and level 13.

The Classes
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New Systems added since Launch

Paragon levels: Added in 1.04, this adds progression past level 60. For every paragon level you gain, you gain a small amount of stats as well as 3% magic and gold find. This increases up to a cap of 300% at Paragon level 100. The cap is shared with MF from gear (on both yourself and your follower) and shrines but not Nephalem Valor, so the max effective cap is 375%.

Exp charts for Paragon levels:
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Monster Power: Coming in 1.05, this mode will be accessible from the menu and provides scaling difficulty for all difficulties. It defaults to off, and at MP1 it sets the level of all enemies in every Inferno Act to 63. Enemy level determines the level of loot you get, making it viable to farm the very best loot wherever you please. Every level of MP increases the MF and exp you get, beyond the 375% cap.

Normal/Nightmare/Hell MP Benefits
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Inferno MP benefits (please note that MP2-3 is equivalent to pre-1.05 mob values):
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Auction Houses

Diablo 3 has two different types of Auction houses available for players: the gold AH, and the Real Money AH. The gold AH is fairly straight forward, and functions largely the same as AHs found in other games, like WoW. It's available at launch to both Normal and Hardcore characters, but is exclusive between the two. The RMAH allows you to buy and sell in game items with real world currency and is only available for Softcore. Here's quick breakdown of the specifics:
-Commodities are automatically searched for best price, and are buyout only.
-You must choose Battle.net balance or real currency when you post the auction, not when it sells.
-15% fee on cashing out
-Battle.net balance can be used for a bunch of battle.net stuff including digital games, and WoW paid services. It cannot be used to pay subscription fees.
-No RMAH in Asia at release

Fees:

For Equipment (weapons, armor, accessories, and other unique items)

Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): $1.00 USD per item / $1.00 AUD per item
Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

For Commodities (gems, materials, dyes, pages, recipes, and other non-unique items)

Transaction Fee (Gold Auction House): 15% of final sale price
Transaction Fee (Real-Money Auction House): 15% of final sale price
Transfer Fee (when sending proceeds to PayPal or other authorized payment-service provider): 15% of amount being transferred

For a more indepth how-to, please go here http://us.battle.net/d3/en/services/auction-house/how-to


Useful links:

Game guide: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/game/
Damage and EHP calculators: http://www.d3rawr.com/d, http://d3up.com
Max values on items: http://www.d3rmt.com/guides/diablo-3-item-stat-maximum-values/
Blue tracker: http://d3db.com/blue/browse
Gem calculator: http://diablo-3-gem-calculator.com/index.php
Legendary/Set browser: http://www.d3lexicon.com/legendary
Explanation on how loot works: http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/comment/24393042/#Comment_24393042
Rare drop evaluation spreadsheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AoEU_oBnESrOdElTaVBhZTVFbEYwYzlqbHZJeXk1dGc&toomany=true

Dosh! Moneymoneymoney! Cash guys someone take it!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AoEU_oBnESrOdElTaVBhZTVFbEYwYzlqbHZJeXk1dGc&toomany=true
d3cmww.com/item_stats
diablo.somepage.com/popular/items

Don't buy gold on the auction house, buy radiant gems then sell those for gold.

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  • SirsonSirson Registered User regular
    Someone should update that first post with the new monster power chart. I think there's an updated Blizzared one out there.

  • SirsonSirson Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Whoops double post srry!
    Sirson wrote: »
    Someone should update that first post with the new monster power chart. I think there's an updated Blizzared one out there.
    Monster-power-bonuses1.jpg

    Sirson on
  • SkutSkutSkutSkut Registered User regular
  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    So I logged on after my regular mid-day nap and I get Crumbling Vault on my WD. I get all the way through it and my reward was 4 regular chests and the resplendent. In one of the regular chests was:
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    At first glance the rolls seem nice. A decent amount of dex, some attack speed, life steal, who wouldn't want that!? The AH says no one.

    Battle.net: Phender#1108 -- Steam: Phender -- PS4: Phender12 -- Origin: Phender01
  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    no crit damage and only 1080 dps so

  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    the first question you gotta ask is always "is this something someone would want instead of the worst skorn"

  • Beyond NormalBeyond Normal Lord Phender Registered User regular
    Normally I would just salvage a Warmonger as fast as possible, but I thought, "These stats may look attractive enough to sell." Mondays do suck.

    Battle.net: Phender#1108 -- Steam: Phender -- PS4: Phender12 -- Origin: Phender01
  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    I'm on new thread now. Act 2 how I hate thee, fucking sandwasps.

  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    I'm on new thread now. Act 2 how I hate thee, fucking sandwasps.

    The technical term is "bees that shoot bees"

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    Lose: The opposite of win
    Loose: Your mum
    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Matz wrote: »
    I'm on new thread now. Act 2 how I hate thee, fucking sandwasps.

    The technical term is "bees that shoot bees"

    fucking bees that shoot bees that are more of a pain to deal with than most rare packs.

  • ChenChen Registered User regular
    If people want to do some hardcoring on the EU realm, add me. #Chen2664

    Gonna try to farm keys on MP2/3 soon. Since public games are a clusterfuck (and it doesn't allow MP yet), I could use help. If no one's available, I'll solo. A1 shouldn't be much of an issue and A3 should be doable. I'm more afraid of A2 and A4.

    Also, I have gear for all classes of most level ranges. If you're undergeared I'll see what I can find.

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  • farbekriegfarbekrieg Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Matz wrote: »
    I'm on new thread now. Act 2 how I hate thee, fucking sandwasps.

    The technical term is "bees that shoot bees"

    fucking bees that shoot bees that are more of a pain to deal with than most rare packs.

    Act 2 is chock full of regular mob mechanics i dont like... bees that shoot bees that probably shoot dogs which shoot bees when they bark, mobs that can go invisible or disappear under sand, become nigh invulnerable
    spoooon[/spoon]
    when spinning, or just create pools of firey/acid death without desecration or plague.

    act 3 gets better

    farbekrieg on
  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Yeah, I can deal with things that should in theory murder the shit out of my monk (molten wallers prehaps the most hillariously unfair) but those mobs cause the most damage to me reliably.

  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    yeah, act 2 is No Fun

    except for vault of the ancients, which is Some Fun

  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    On the other end of the scale are the Act 3 scorpion dudes (Stygian Crawlers?). They come at you on masse and you just mow them all down.

    What I wouldn't give for a level that consisted entirely of those little guys all packed together.

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    Lose: The opposite of win
    Loose: Your mum
    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • bobsbarricadesbobsbarricades Registered User regular
    At first glance the rolls seem nice. A decent amount of dex, some attack speed, life steal, who wouldn't want that!? The AH says no one.

    it's cuz we know it would've been good back in May :D

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    So I logged on after my regular mid-day nap and I get Crumbling Vault on my WD. I get all the way through it and my reward was 4 regular chests and the resplendent. In one of the regular chests was:
    Warmonger_zps702993c8.jpg

    At first glance the rolls seem nice. A decent amount of dex, some attack speed, life steal, who wouldn't want that!? The AH says no one.

    add 400 damage to that, a socket, and +200 crit damage and you've got yourself a winner!

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    The datamining begins: http://www.diablofans.com/

    spoilers: monks got fucking buffed

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    510% blizzard. about time. but they are doing nothing for arcane torrent or ray of frost, which are in a competition with each other for the worst skill in the game. well there's lots of time to fix that I suppose

    Jars on
  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    hmm. A buff to both Tempest Rush and SW/Cyclone...

    Nice! :D

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    Lose: The opposite of win
    Loose: Your mum
    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • DehumanizedDehumanized Registered User regular
    Matz wrote: »
    hmm. A buff to both Tempest Rush and SW/Cyclone...

    Nice! :D

    They are likely going to fix gear swapping and snapshotting on Sweeping Winds, so they might be seen as fixes to preserve the build as similar to what it currently is.

  • BroloBrolo Broseidon Lord of the BroceanRegistered User regular
    witch doctor changes = updating grammar on skill descriptions

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    barb changes =

  • SavantSavant Simply Barbaric Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    The datamined crafting costs are sort of interesting if they turn out to be true (there's a disclaimer they might be inaccurate):
    New Gems

    ​cost: 20000000
    [Radiant Star Topaz]x3 [Tome of Secrets]x25 [Demonic Essence]x1

    Archon Gauntlets of [ Dexterity, Intelligence, Strength, Vitality]

    Quality: Rare
    Stats: (issue reading affix values atm, but will be on of the above)
    Random Props: 5
    Cost: 25000
    [Exquisite Essence]x50 [Tome of Secrets]x5 [Demonic Essence]x1

    Archon Spaulders of [ Dexterity, Intelligence, Strength, Vitality]

    Quality: Rare
    Stats: (issue reading affix values atm, but will be on of the above)
    Random Props: 5
    Cost: 50000
    [Tome of Secrets]x10 [Demonic Essence]x1

    Archon Armor of [ Dexterity, Intelligence, Strength, Vitality]

    Quality: Rare
    Stats: (issue reading affix values atm, but will be on of the above)
    Random Props: 5
    Cost: 75000
    [Tome of Secrets]x2 [Demonic Essence]x1

    Razorspikes of [ Dexterity, Intelligence, Strength, Vitality]

    Quality: -
    Stats: (issue reading affix values atm, but will be on of the above)
    Random Props: 5
    Cost: 25000
    [Iridescent Tear]x25 [Tome of Secrets]x5 [Demonic Essence]x1

    Amulet of [ Dexterity, Intelligence, Strength, Vitality]

    Quality: -
    Stats: (issue reading affix values atm, but will be on of the above at least)
    Random Props: 5
    Cost: 100000
    [Perfect Square [Gem typed based on amulet type]x1 [Fiery Brimstone]x1 [Demonic Essence]x1

    The amulet adding a gem sink on top of the gold and mat sink is pretty interesting too. The chest armor looks like it might be missing something from the datamining, but some of these will be a lot more expensive than the others.

    Savant on
  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    I hope it's not accurate, doesn't really make any sense. 1 Demonic Essence per recipe is completely trivial, so it would really just come down to the gold again. I'm fine with it using salvage components but I'd rather not have to spend actual gold on gambling.

    Zek on
  • bobsbarricadesbobsbarricades Registered User regular
    Matz wrote: »
    hmm. A buff to both Tempest Rush and SW/Cyclone...

    Nice! :D

    so...MAYBE I go back to Tempest Rush? :D

  • SavantSavant Simply Barbaric Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    I hope it's not accurate, doesn't really make any sense. 1 Demonic Essence per recipe is completely trivial, so it would really just come down to the gold again. I'm fine with it using salvage components but I'd rather not have to spend actual gold on gambling.

    Well, they said that they were going to adjust the drop rate on that mat if need be, so I imagine if it looks like we'll be flooded with those things they'll make some sort of change.

  • JarsJars Registered User regular
    it's not even on the ptr yet

  • SavantSavant Simply Barbaric Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    it's not even on the ptr yet

    We know, you grumpy gus.

    An update on the datamining seems to suggest that the stat range for the fixed stat goes up to 101-115 on pieces that would normally cap out at 100 for that roll and it goes to 201-230 for the pieces that would normally cap at 200 for the stat. That's not too much higher than the current best rolls for rares in those slots, so it looks like the main thing might be the ease of getting 6 affix ilvl 63 rares with a guaranteed roll of the stat you want.

  • ChenChen Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Unstable Anomaly When reduced below 30% Lifeyou receive fatal damage, you heal to 45% of your maximum Life and release a shockwave that knocks enemies back and slows them by 60% for 3 seconds. This effect cannot occur more than once everytwice in succession within 60 seconds.

    Sweet.
    Arcane Orb Cost: 35 Arcane Power / Hurl an orb of pure energy that explodes when it hits, dealing 175200% weapon damage as Arcane to all enemies within 10 yards.

    Even sweeter.

    Chen on
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  • MatzMatz Bronze Grandmaster FurieRegistered User regular
    Matz wrote: »
    hmm. A buff to both Tempest Rush and SW/Cyclone...

    Nice! :D

    so...MAYBE I go back to Tempest Rush? :D

    The real question is why did you go away from Tempest Rush...

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    Lose: The opposite of win
    Loose: Your mum
    _J_ wrote: »
    I imagine that I make more money from D3 than I would make sucking dick. But I wouldn't want to spend either my D3 or dick sucking money on gear.
  • farbekriegfarbekrieg Registered User regular
    jumped on right before maintance and like the abusive gf you dropped and havent seen for a few d3 tempts me with 3 friggin legendaries before i hit nv 5

    vile ward
    maras
    crappy ilvl 63 non set voodoo mask

    which while not exactly mind blowing helps make up for the 8 hr dry spell the last time i tried playing

  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    Zek wrote: »
    The datamining begins: http://www.diablofans.com/

    spoilers: monks got fucking buffed

    Oh fuck yes.

    Because I have no idea what it's like for you guys on Inferno. But what I really needed was MORE cheap AOEs that one shot everything.

    Also as a curious point, is it ever worth NOT duel wielding on monk? The lack of spirit regen due to slower attack speed seems to tell me it's not.

    Another question: 40% damage reduction and 34% dodge or 33% damage reduction and 48% dodge?

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    Hahaha, Tempest Rush and Sweeping Wind buffs? I thought they wanted people to use the other spirit spenders! Overawe spam is mostly for group utility, after all.

    @Albino Bunny If you use the passive that gives 25% increased spirit regeneration when using a 2hander, it's a lot more worth it. I always favour guaranteed mitigation, but that's just me.

    3DS: 2234-8122-8398 | Battle.net (EU): Ladi#2485
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  • Albino BunnyAlbino Bunny Jackie Registered User regular
    I tried using Guardian's path with the diabo as well. Even then it felt just much weaker in terms of both generation and DPS.

    Made the holy bell of not giving fucks hit like a truck though (seriously, that is the greatest ability in the game, the whole game, every game, ever, drop a bell on dudes).

  • ShenShen Registered User regular
    Daibos are the worst, it's irrefutable science. 2handers are just a lot more sluggish and take a little getting used to, especially if you're using a generator other than Fists of Thunder.

    3DS: 2234-8122-8398 | Battle.net (EU): Ladi#2485
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  • sumwarsumwar Registered User regular
    So hardcore has effectively gotten easier for monks/wizards/witch doctors. I have a Barbarian on hardcore and they don't need any buffing to their survivability haha. I would like to see some sort of very powerful demon hunter passive that heals when receiving a fatal blow. Demon hunters are the worst at surviving hardcore in my opinion.

  • bobsbarricadesbobsbarricades Registered User regular
    Matz wrote: »
    Matz wrote: »
    hmm. A buff to both Tempest Rush and SW/Cyclone...

    Nice! :D

    so...MAYBE I go back to Tempest Rush? :D

    The real question is why did you go away from Tempest Rush...

    dps was such that I kept whirling about on MP0 and wasn't getting any drops. Lvl'd a barb, went back to cookie cutter monk @mp3 and started getting good finds. Then fell in love with the carpel tunnel inducing CM/freeze wiz...really wish they would just tell us scripts were ok for those guys.

  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    I leveled my monk with a 2H Wave of Light build(ultra twinked, of course), it was pretty hilarious. It's bizarre to me though that they haven't touched the piddly damage dealt by the second hit, like they forgot it's even there.

  • Talus9952Talus9952 Registered User regular
    farbekrieg wrote: »
    jumped on right before maintance and like the abusive gf you dropped and havent seen for a few d3 tempts me with 3 friggin legendaries before i hit nv 5

    vile ward
    maras
    crappy ilvl 63 non set voodoo mask

    which while not exactly mind blowing helps make up for the 8 hr dry spell the last time i tried playing

    The first time i've played in weeks, i played one run a few days ago. The second i get in game for an alkhaizer run, there's a goblin sitting right there in core of arreat. Killing it with 0 stacks dropped a sunkeeper. That's the only thing I found though.

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