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Used Games <> Deal?

NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
edited March 2007 in Games and Technology
I don't know if I'm alone in this opinion, but it seems to me that used games are becoming less and less worthwhile. Case in point, I was standing in a Gamestop the other day looking at a used copy of RE4 (PS2) in one of their ugly, beatup placeholder boxes. The price? $17.99

Two steps to the left and I'm staring down a shiny new copy of the same game. No chance of scratches, no weird damage to the box or manual, all shiny and new. The price? $19.99

Is the used games risk factor worth saving the $2.00? I certainly don't think so. When did we start selling the used copies for a non-deal price? Admittedly, you can occaisionally find a much older game for a decent price... (I believe the original Ratchet and Clank will go for around $7.00 used. I found it for $15.00 new at Walmart though, and decided the convenience and new-ness were worth the premium once again.) My only recent success story was buying MGS2 for $5, though I did see several copies of MGS3 going for $10. Am I just missing the good deals, or are they really drying up?

On a side note, what happened to Shadow of the Colossus? It hit the greatest hits collection and disappeared. I can't even locate used copies now, though I'd be loathe to pay the $17.99 anyway. Is this kind of shortage going to become commonplace, or was SotC just one of those games destined for rarity/obscurity?

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I think that's always been SOP for EBStop. I know it's almost always $17.99/$19.99 and $44.99/$49.99.

    There are deals, though -- you just have to look. I got Syphon Filter: Dark Mirror for the PSP for $19.99 used when it still retails for $39.99. They also seem to vary by store. I got that game with case and instructions, but in another EBStop I saw a game-only copy of Dark Mirror (no case or instructions) marked at $24.99.

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  • CarnivoreCarnivore Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Gamestation in the UK does brilliant preowned stuff.

    Most of the time it is perfect condition because someone brought it back within a week.

    Used games is often the only way to get rare stuff too. Took me a fucking age to track down Ikaruga.

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  • Vargas PrimeVargas Prime King of Nothing Just a ShowRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I stopped buying pre-owned games when I realized that I would be paying like $5 less than the NEW price, when the poor schmuck who sold his game back got about 15% (if that) of what he payed for it in store credit.

    Which is to say, "immediately."

    I don't even buy new games at EBStopBabbagesFuncoLand anymore, because I think what they do with pre-owned games is just silly.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Carnivore wrote: »
    Gamestation in the UK does brilliant preowned stuff.

    Most of the time it is perfect condition because someone brought it back within a week.

    Used games is often the only way to get rare stuff too. Took me a fucking age to track down Ikaruga.

    especially their 4 for £20 selection, especially online. Great way to build up a collection for a console this generation you only just got recently.

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  • NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    LewieP wrote: »
    Carnivore wrote: »
    Gamestation in the UK does brilliant preowned stuff.

    Most of the time it is perfect condition because someone brought it back within a week.

    Used games is often the only way to get rare stuff too. Took me a fucking age to track down Ikaruga.

    especially their 4 for £20 selection, especially online. Great way to build up a collection for a console this generation you only just got recently.

    America has failed me. :(

    Wait, what's that equivalent to in US$ ?

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  • SonosSonos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    For used games Ebay onri. You can find a lot of them shrink wrapped for a lot less than anything the crappy mall joints will give you. I bought Rez the other day brand new for about 20 balloons less than any store in town had it.

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  • corcorigancorcorigan Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    $40ish.

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  • Magic PinkMagic Pink Tur-Boner-Fed Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    LewieP wrote: »
    Carnivore wrote: »
    Gamestation in the UK does brilliant preowned stuff.

    Most of the time it is perfect condition because someone brought it back within a week.

    Used games is often the only way to get rare stuff too. Took me a fucking age to track down Ikaruga.

    especially their 4 for £20 selection, especially online. Great way to build up a collection for a console this generation you only just got recently.

    America has failed me. :(

    Wait, what's that equivalent to in US$ ?

    4 for 40$.

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    LewieP wrote: »
    Carnivore wrote: »
    Gamestation in the UK does brilliant preowned stuff.

    Most of the time it is perfect condition because someone brought it back within a week.

    Used games is often the only way to get rare stuff too. Took me a fucking age to track down Ikaruga.

    especially their 4 for £20 selection, especially online. Great way to build up a collection for a console this generation you only just got recently.

    America has failed me. :(

    Wait, what's that equivalent to in US$ ?

    $38. Bear in mind that new games in the UK are routinely priced at £40 ($76) and beyond.

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  • NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Magic Pink wrote: »
    LewieP wrote: »
    Carnivore wrote: »
    Gamestation in the UK does brilliant preowned stuff.

    Most of the time it is perfect condition because someone brought it back within a week.

    Used games is often the only way to get rare stuff too. Took me a fucking age to track down Ikaruga.

    especially their 4 for £20 selection, especially online. Great way to build up a collection for a console this generation you only just got recently.

    America has failed me. :(

    Wait, what's that equivalent to in US$ ?

    4 for 40$.

    Failed me. :(

    Man, I could use a couple deals like that.

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  • lessthanpilessthanpi MNRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    All the Targets I've been to lately have had copies of Shadow of the Colossus. It's usually on sale for 14.99 as well.

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  • NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    lessthanpi wrote: »
    All the Targets I've been to lately have had copies of Shadow of the Colossus. It's usually on sale for 14.99 as well.

    Argh, the nearest Target is like 50 miles away. Maybe one of the other Walmarts would have it... Hopefully when I have money.

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  • drhazarddrhazard Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Of course you're going to see the 17.99/19.99 discrepancy on Player's Choice/Greatest Hits titles, because they're generally going to still be viable by the time they reach PC/GH. And 44.99/49.99 has just been what I come to expect for new stuff.

    It's the not-quite-so-popular stuff that'd be good to get used, though. Stuff that never made it to PC/GH and have been out for a little while, but are kept at an inflated price still, will sometimes be half off.

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I only buy used games if it's an older game at EBstop that I can't find new and is like $7. Other than that I think buying new is always the way to go.

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  • VeganVegan Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I don't know if I'm alone in this opinion, but it seems to me that used games are becoming less and less worthwhile. Case in point, I was standing in a Gamestop the other day looking at a used copy of RE4 (PS2) in one of their ugly, beatup placeholder boxes. The price? $17.99

    Two steps to the left and I'm staring down a shiny new copy of the same game. No chance of scratches, no weird damage to the box or manual, all shiny and new. The price? $19.99

    Is the used games risk factor worth saving the $2.00? I certainly don't think so. When did we start selling the used copies for a non-deal price? Admittedly, you can occaisionally find a much older game for a decent price... (I believe the original Ratchet and Clank will go for around $7.00 used. I found it for $15.00 new at Walmart though, and decided the convenience and new-ness were worth the premium once again.) My only recent success story was buying MGS2 for $5, though I did see several copies of MGS3 going for $10. Am I just missing the good deals, or are they really drying up?

    On a side note, what happened to Shadow of the Colossus? It hit the greatest hits collection and disappeared. I can't even locate used copies now, though I'd be loathe to pay the $17.99 anyway. Is this kind of shortage going to become commonplace, or was SotC just one of those games destined for rarity/obscurity?

    Thank you for shopping at Gamestop. Would you like to insure this game for an extra $2?

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  • AllforceAllforce Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    On top of the lack of a real "deal" on those used copies at EB, if you really want to support the developer of a game buying new is the only way to really go. Buying a used copy of Shadow of the Colossus is essentially the same as downloading a copy on the net as far as the developer is concerned. They see no money either way, whereas buying a new copy from a place like Target or Walmart forces those stores to restock new copies by buying from the distributor/publisher directly.

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  • Spectral SwallowSpectral Swallow Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    You mentioned in the original post that the new copies at gamestop were like $3-5 more. But you know, I've never ONCE bought a game a new game at gamestop still in the shrink wrap. I actually stopped shopping there once I heard about how they did with the rerelease of Rhapsody(for PS). Basically what I heard was when it was rereleased the new price was real low, so they had employees buy them up, then sell them back to the store, then the store could sell them as used for $40, since it WAS a rare game.

    But more on the topic at hand, I haven't bought a new game in who knows how long, though I'm usually a generation behind the curve also. But I would easily buy a new copy of Mother 3. If Nintendo would not be idiots and release it here.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    The problem isn't in used games, it's in EBStop, which has a notoriously shitty pricing/credit scheme for used games. Seriously, the amount of profit they get in used stuff is insane.

    Your best bet is to try a regional or mom n' pop VG store (which typically have better prices), or try ebay.

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    i got Wave race bluestorm used (in extremely good condition) for 6 bucks at EB. I thought it was worth it.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I know EBStop makes most of their profit on used games, but they really do take it too far. They'll pay you like $5 for a current-gen game that's too common, and you know they're going to resell it at 90% or so anyway. The profit margin is absurd for something that costs them practically nothing. I would be much more inclined to sell games to them if I could get even half price.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Like most people said, I don't use the used game system so much to try and get a bargain on newer or popular games(though it doesn't hurt...got a perfect copy of Suikoden III for 40 dollars used back when it was still the full 50), but I moreso use it to find games that I aren't in circulation anymore and are hard to find at the new price. And really I've had yet to get a bad copy(though I did have some problems with a used copy of Valkyrie Profile I got back in the day), so it's all good with me.

    Edit: As for Gamespot's trade-in/trade-out price ratio, I do agree that it is BS. But in the same token, the people who sell the games back for those kinds of prices must really not want to keep them. I mean...I'm not going to sell a game I brought for $50 for $10...but some people will, so not much can do about that.

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  • Torso BoyTorso Boy Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I don't like buying used because I have ethical problems with it. When they give you $3-$5 for a game they sell for $20, it just doesn't feel right.

    I understand them wanting to make a little on the side cause normal margins are low, but they screw over the trader way too much. I'd like to be able to play through a game and then be able to trade it in for, I dunno, even HALF of its original price. To me the idea of trading in is to get people to come back to the store and *exchange* games...not to sell them so they can afford a double cheeseburger.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Torso Boy wrote: »
    I don't like buying used because I have ethical problems with it. When they give you $3-$5 for a game they sell for $20, it just doesn't feel right.

    I understand them wanting to make a little on the side cause normal margins are low, but they screw over the trader way too much. I'd like to be able to play through a game and then be able to trade it in for, I dunno, even HALF of its original price. To me the idea of trading in is to get people to come back to the store and *exchange* games...not to sell them so they can afford a double cheeseburger.

    You know what's messed up...I actually had a friend who sold one of his old games just to get a double chessburger...>_>

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  • ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    See at gamestop we charge just barely under full price for used games, part of this comes from when we try and sell you on the game informer subscription with the GS card that offers 10% off on used games...

    but for example, where i am there is 9% sales tax, so the real discount on a used game here is only 1%.

    the discount card does save you money, and if you are fine with buying used games that may or may not have a case or manual, then it will for sure save you the money.


    although, the GS card is actually pretty great for used 360 games (i guess ps3 games too). the trade in rate on them is usually pretty good, we get used copies of new releases all the time, and if you happen to find them, 90% of them are just like new with box and manual, so with the card you save like 10 bucks off the cover price. (and honestly it only really takes 3-5 360 games to save the cost of the subscription)

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I've only ever bought one used game (an out of date FIFA game), and that was only because:
    a) It was really cheap, and
    b) I was planning to buy a more recent version as soon as there was a sale on.

    Usually, used games are terrible value. For me to consider one, it would have to be less than half the price of a new copy, and in decent condition (with case and manual intact).

    My local EB's regularly try to sell used games for more than the new version costs. That is, they will drop the new version's price after a while, but keep the used copies at their original price. It's no wonder they have whole display cases full of unsold used games.

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  • ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    actually, aside from sales and certian DS games, i can only think of 1 game that we sell that is more than the game would cost new, 59.99 for Marvel Vs. Capcom 2, and its not produced anymore.

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  • NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Marlor wrote: »
    I've only ever bought one used game (an out of date FIFA game), and that was only because:
    a) It was really cheap, and
    b) I was planning to buy a more recent version as soon as there was a sale on.

    Usually, used games are terrible value. For me to consider one, it would have to be less than half the price of a new copy, and in decent condition (with case and manual intact).

    My local EB's regularly try to sell used games for more than the new version costs. It's no wonder they have whole display cases full of unsold used games.

    How is that not a crime? Sheesh.

    Oh, also... The same Gamestop has 2 used old-school DS's on sale. (One red, one blue.) I inquired about the price, as I'm looking for a DS for my girlfriend.

    W.T.F.

    $110 for a system that doesn't even have a usable warranty. I could buy a brand new (Under warranty!) DS LITE for only $20 more! Are they stupid? I know they paid less than $60 for them! Probably less than $40! Bah!

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  • SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    I was standing in a Gamestop
    Problem identified.

    I stand with everyone else here. While on occasion these stores will have good deals (Throne of Bhaal for $5 in the used games bin, for example), 19 times out of 20, their used games are hardly worth the scoffable "savings".

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  • ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    DS lites are worth 60, regular DS's are 40 i think, maybe only 30.

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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zephos wrote: »
    DS lites are worth 60, regular DS's are 40 i think, maybe only 30.

    And the regular DS is sold for $110.

    Dayum.

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  • NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Zephos wrote: »
    DS lites are worth 60, regular DS's are 40 i think, maybe only 30.

    And the regular DS is sold for $110.

    Dayum.

    Close to 200% pure profit for a $10 savings on a new (regular) DS. Ripoff?

    Indeed.

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  • MarlorMarlor Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    There's no way I'd sell a game to an EBStop store either.

    It would feel like going to a pawn shop. I can't imagine being desperate enough for cash that I'd sell my games for $5-10 each.

    And if I was that desperate for cash, then I'd stick them on eBay and make at least twice as much per game.

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  • DarkWarriorDarkWarrior __BANNED USERS regular
    edited March 2007
    At gamestation we are pretty decent. Some games are sometimes the same or barely less than the price of the new but thats generally a brand new game or where the original is drastically low in price such as being 9.99 or even below.

    They are also allowed to bring these games back if they're failing, we're pretty decent.

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  • AlienCowThatMoosAlienCowThatMoos Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Vegan wrote: »
    Thank you for shopping at Gamestop. Would you like to insure this game for an extra $2?

    "And bring it back when you're done!"

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  • japanjapan Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Allforce wrote: »
    On top of the lack of a real "deal" on those used copies at EB, if you really want to support the developer of a game buying new is the only way to really go. Buying a used copy of Shadow of the Colossus is essentially the same as downloading a copy on the net as far as the developer is concerned. They see no money either way, whereas buying a new copy from a place like Target or Walmart forces those stores to restock new copies by buying from the distributor/publisher directly.

    While I agree that the best way to support the developers is to buy new, I don't think the economics of used game sales are quite as simple as you make out. Even if you buy a used copy, you take one used game out of circulation, while also demonstrating demand. The price of the used copy will be driven up, and those who are "on the fence" will be more inclined to buy new as the price of a new copy and the price of a used copy come closer together.

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  • ZephosZephos Climbin in yo ski lifts, snatchin your people up. MichiganRegistered User regular
    edited March 2007
    i mean, bottom line gamestop is a business.

    vote with your wallets, don't shop there....

    but in the end, it doesn't really matter when come august when were pushing a couple hundred copies of madden, or in November when we are trucking out the Halo 3 release.

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  • NofrikinfuNNofrikinfuN Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Marlor wrote: »
    There's no way I'd sell a game to an EBStop store either.

    It would feel like going to a pawn shop. I can't imagine being desperate enough for cash that I'd sell my games for $5-10 each.

    And if I was that desperate for cash, then I'd stick them on eBay and make at least twice as much per game.

    I've decided I won't sell games unless I really hate them. I made the mistake of selling my Nomad and my genesis collection way back when for enough money to net maybe 2 N64 games. I want my Nomad back. :(

    On another semi-related topic, I found Shadowman for the N64 at Goodwill for $1. I bought it, but haven't bothered to gather up my N64 and play it. Good find? It launched so late in the N64 life cycle that I never really got an idea what the general opinion was.

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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    the first and last time I tried to trade in a game was N64 Mortal Kombat Trilogy for Star Fox 64 at a local video store. I was naive and thought I could do a 1 to 1 trade for the games. They told me that MK was only worth 10 bucks towards star fox. I was pretty surprised at how low that was and just decided to keep it. After that, I never bothered or have wanted to trade in again.

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    Zek wrote: »
    I know EBStop makes most of their profit on used games, but they really do take it too far. They'll pay you like $5 for a current-gen game that's too common, and you know they're going to resell it at 90% or so anyway. The profit margin is absurd for something that costs them practically nothing. I would be much more inclined to sell games to them if I could get even half price.

    They pay out and sell at what the market allows. If you don't like it, don't patronize them, but enough other people don't mind the values, or else they would be different.

    Also, buying used gives you the advantage of returning the game within a week if it is absolute crap. That's definitely saved me from being stuck with a game I hated once or twice.

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  • EvanderEvander Disappointed Father Registered User regular
    edited March 2007
    japan wrote: »
    Allforce wrote: »
    On top of the lack of a real "deal" on those used copies at EB, if you really want to support the developer of a game buying new is the only way to really go. Buying a used copy of Shadow of the Colossus is essentially the same as downloading a copy on the net as far as the developer is concerned. They see no money either way, whereas buying a new copy from a place like Target or Walmart forces those stores to restock new copies by buying from the distributor/publisher directly.

    While I agree that the best way to support the developers is to buy new, I don't think the economics of used game sales are quite as simple as you make out. Even if you buy a used copy, you take one used game out of circulation, while also demonstrating demand. The price of the used copy will be driven up, and those who are "on the fence" will be more inclined to buy new as the price of a new copy and the price of a used copy come closer together.

    used game prices at retail stores rarely rise, but the point about demonstrating demand is true. A game that sells decently new, and then amazingly used may prompt the studio into deciding to make a sequel, or something else. If the developer really wants you to buy new then they need to find a way to incentivize that.

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