Quick question. Looks like a 280x140x30mm and 240x120x30mm rad are about all you can fit in a Prodigy. I'm looking at the Black Ice GT Stealths, which apparently have a high FPI (30), but the individuals blades are pretty thin so you don't need a ton of air moving through them.
Will those two be enough to handle a 3570K and a GTX 780, both overclocked? If not, what about a GTX 670?
Also, I recently heard a would-be expert mention that a 280 rad combined with a 200 would actually give you better performance--something about the width of the 200. Now, I understand that it might give you more EFFICIENT performance, but could you actually get better cooling? Seems pretty specious, particularly given the dearth of high quality 200mm fans.
the lack of good 200mm fans is a killer in my eyes. A180mm rad would probably be better.
Assuming same fpi and thickness 200mm x 200mm has more surface area than 180x180 has more surface area than 120x240. More surface area with identical fan performance equates to etter cooling. All other things are of course rarely equal.
that said unless you want really aggressive overclocks 240x120 plus 280x140 should be just fine for that gpu/cpu combo.
the lack of good 200mm fans is a killer in my eyes. A180mm rad would probably be better.
Assuming same fpi and thickness 200mm x 200mm has more surface area than 180x180 has more surface area than 120x240. More surface area with identical fan performance equates to etter cooling. All other things are of course rarely equal.
that said unless you want really aggressive overclocks 240x120 plus 280x140 should be just fine for that gpu/cpu combo.
Ah, of course. If I was not a math idiot, I could easily see that 180x180 yields a much bigger surface area than 240x120. So I guess the only reason to go for 240x120 in the front would be aesthetics, then.
My bluetooth radar station. Probably going to have two of these in our office, that I'm going to write a radar program for, and superimpose a picture of our office blueprints on it.
$1000 tracking system (we'll need two). Not bad.
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i've been thinking about building myself a new rig, but am realizing just how lazy i am.
seems like people here have had ok experiences with ibuypower. Reseller Ratings seems to love them, and they've got an ok history with the BBB. any reason i should not get a system through them?
None I can think of, particularly if you're lazy and don't mind spending a bit more. My gf's sister's husband (I know) seemed to have pretty good luck with them.
i've been thinking about building myself a new rig, but am realizing just how lazy i am.
seems like people here have had ok experiences with ibuypower. Reseller Ratings seems to love them, and they've got an ok history with the BBB. any reason i should not get a system through them?
Because when things fuckup with them they fuck up haaaaaaard.
Just ask any of the current people who have been fighting with them for 3+ months to get their computer (that arrived or shortly after arriving had DOA parts) fixed. They would rather drag things out till they can say "LOL waranty is up" than actually fix things.
They also use generic cost cutting parts (including PSUs) wherever they can get away with it, and depending on how much you're paying you will be throwing $300+ at them just to turn a screwdriver to put things together for you.
Oh and they barely test parts beyond a "does it post" check so it isn't surprising if you get a fucked HD, RAM, or video card from them that should have been caught initially.
Woo, all my problems I were having were just a coincidence! The issues with the game/steam were documented once I searched on them. My backup of saved games was due to some goofy file in a saved directory. Man, I hate chasing around a problem that doesn't really exist! I think I shall finally buy a case for my poor new pc and slap a cooler on it before it goes in the new case.
So, is the R4 still the cool kid on the block?
212 EVO the cooler kid on the block?
After doing some research I decided I'm going to buy a custom pre-built PC rather than build my own from scratch. The price difference was negligible enough and I'm sick of playing games on my laptop. I'm leaning heavily toward CyberPowerPC, but before I commit I just wanted to get some advice on the build, and maybe other suggestions on pre-built websites if there are any firsthand beefs with CyberPower. My goal is a upper middle-class PC.
Please keep in mind that the last time I bought/built a PC I went with an AGP card over PCI because it was the better option at the time. It's been a while:
Case: Enermax Hoplite ST Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Hot-swap HDD Dock (white w/ blue guts)
Mobo: GIGABYTE X79-UP4 Intel X79 Chipset Quad Channel DDR3 ATX Mainboard
CPU: Intel i7-3820 Quad-Core 3.60 GHz 10MB Intel Smart Cache
Graphics: GeForce GTX 660 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card
RAM: 16GB (4GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Quad Channel Memory
Storage: 2TB HDD and a 128GB SSD
Sound: SB Audigy, something cheap
OS: Windows 7 Home
Freebies: extra 500GB HDD and Metro: Last Light
Cheapies: Keyboard, Network Card, etc.
Some things were chosen because of Memorial Day sale, but will be subject to change if I waffle and take some time to ponder. Cyberpower has me at 1311 plus S&H. A PC build calculator (www.pcpartpicker.com) has me at 1380 for the same setup, which is why I decided to go pre-built.
So, advice/suggestions on either the setup, the price or the site?
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There's really no reason to buy an i7, or to buy into X79, at least not with the kind of money you're looking at spending. Back down to a 2500K and something in the Z77 area on the motherboard. That should save you at least $100 or so, put that toward a nicer video card. As for sound cards...meh? I've never found them to be necessary, but then I also don't really have the ear for that kind of stuff. YMMV.
I'm also not a big fan of most Enermax cases, but given that you aren't going to be building in it, I'm not sure that matters.
The Arc Midi R2 is supposed to be releasing soon as well, and that looks really good. It really depends on what your preference is re: sound dampening.
After doing some research I decided I'm going to buy a custom pre-built PC rather than build my own from scratch. The price difference was negligible enough and I'm sick of playing games on my laptop. I'm leaning heavily toward CyberPowerPC, but before I commit I just wanted to get some advice on the build, and maybe other suggestions on pre-built websites if there are any firsthand beefs with CyberPower. My goal is a upper middle-class PC.
Please keep in mind that the last time I bought/built a PC I went with an AGP card over PCI because it was the better option at the time. It's been a while:
Case: Enermax Hoplite ST Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Hot-swap HDD Dock (white w/ blue guts)
Mobo: GIGABYTE X79-UP4 Intel X79 Chipset Quad Channel DDR3 ATX Mainboard
CPU: Intel i7-3820 Quad-Core 3.60 GHz 10MB Intel Smart Cache
Graphics: GeForce GTX 660 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card
RAM: 16GB (4GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Quad Channel Memory
Storage: 2TB HDD and a 128GB SSD
Sound: SB Audigy, something cheap
OS: Windows 7 Home
Freebies: extra 500GB HDD and Metro: Last Light
Cheapies: Keyboard, Network Card, etc.
Some things were chosen because of Memorial Day sale, but will be subject to change if I waffle and take some time to ponder. Cyberpower has me at 1311 plus S&H. A PC build calculator (www.pcpartpicker.com) has me at 1380 for the same setup, which is why I decided to go pre-built.
So, advice/suggestions on either the setup, the price or the site?
If you're not going to be doing heavy duty computational stuff on this machine, then going socket 2011 is basically taking a wad of cash out of your pocket, setting fire to it, and then pissing on the ashes.
Z77 mobo, i5-3570K processor, halve the amount of RAM, and roll all the money you save into either a 256GB SSD and a slightly better video card, or leave the SSD as-is and get a way better video card. Also unless you need a soundcard with high quality outputs for the valve amp that powers your $700 audiophile headphones, skip the Audigy. If you do need a soundcard, still skip the Audigy, and go for a Xonar, or if the budget will stretch, a Claro.
Part of me really wants to blow half the price again of my rig on a terabyte SSD. It's hard to deny at this point that I'm sexually attracted to solid state disks.
I'm kind of tempted to not bother RMA'ing my dead 128gb M4 and just buy 256gb, but in reality that will only happen if for some reason Crucial decides to not replace my drive. I've been doing completely fine with 128gb by being conscious about only having what I'm actually playing installed, but I won't deny having double my current space would be pretty cool.
Yeah my current plan is to go with a 256gb solid state drive, because reduced loading times sounds like heaven for some of the games I play. Shogun II comes to mind in a hurry.
Throw a couple of games on it, I have Windows 7, Battlefield 3 (and its expansions), Shogun 2 and Civ V on my SSD and still have about 11GBs left.
I will most definitely be going bigger next time, but 128 is still plenty serviceable if you just throw games with long load times on it.
Oooooh
EDIT - My SSD being on backorder is driving me nuts though.
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Whelp. My main desktop monitor is on its last legs. Takes forever to turn on (if it turns on). Also takes forever to wake up from hibernation. So I think I'm in the market for a new monitor. I do have that 42" Insignia tv downstairs but I don't think it will fit on my desk.
Thinking of getting one of these mothers. I don't think I really want to go up to 27", especially seeing as how $400 is the absolute max budget and I don't want to roll the dice on one of them Korean monitors from ebay (also don't want to wait that long for shipping)
Just posting in here in case there might be some other monitor out there right now that everyone loves
You can get those korean 27" IPS panels from other places then ebay now, with dead pixel guarantees and warranties. Monoprice sells a version, as does microcenter, and a few other computer type stores.
You can get those korean 27" IPS panels from other places then ebay now, with dead pixel guarantees and warranties. Monoprice sells a version, as does microcenter, and a few other computer type stores.
But that dell ultrasharp is also a nice screen.
oh man thanks for reminding me about monoprice.
Now I just need to decide between spending $288 + tax for the 24" or $390 for the 27"
So, I'm doing a buildlog for my Bitfenix Prodigy re-build. Thanks to Bear and others for the help so far, feel free to check this out as it progresses. Super stoked.
You can get those korean 27" IPS panels from other places then ebay now, with dead pixel guarantees and warranties. Monoprice sells a version, as does microcenter, and a few other computer type stores.
But that dell ultrasharp is also a nice screen.
oh man thanks for reminding me about monoprice.
Now I just need to decide between spending $288 + tax for the 24" or $390 for the 27"
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THat's a right chunk of change right there it is
Lets just hope things are more level next gen
(I'm still gonna grab a 780)
Will those two be enough to handle a 3570K and a GTX 780, both overclocked? If not, what about a GTX 670?
Also, I recently heard a would-be expert mention that a 280 rad combined with a 200 would actually give you better performance--something about the width of the 200. Now, I understand that it might give you more EFFICIENT performance, but could you actually get better cooling? Seems pretty specious, particularly given the dearth of high quality 200mm fans.
Assuming same fpi and thickness 200mm x 200mm has more surface area than 180x180 has more surface area than 120x240. More surface area with identical fan performance equates to etter cooling. All other things are of course rarely equal.
that said unless you want really aggressive overclocks 240x120 plus 280x140 should be just fine for that gpu/cpu combo.
Ah, of course. If I was not a math idiot, I could easily see that 180x180 yields a much bigger surface area than 240x120. So I guess the only reason to go for 240x120 in the front would be aesthetics, then.
$1000 tracking system (we'll need two). Not bad.
seems like people here have had ok experiences with ibuypower. Reseller Ratings seems to love them, and they've got an ok history with the BBB. any reason i should not get a system through them?
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Because when things fuckup with them they fuck up haaaaaaard.
Just ask any of the current people who have been fighting with them for 3+ months to get their computer (that arrived or shortly after arriving had DOA parts) fixed. They would rather drag things out till they can say "LOL waranty is up" than actually fix things.
They also use generic cost cutting parts (including PSUs) wherever they can get away with it, and depending on how much you're paying you will be throwing $300+ at them just to turn a screwdriver to put things together for you.
Oh and they barely test parts beyond a "does it post" check so it isn't surprising if you get a fucked HD, RAM, or video card from them that should have been caught initially.
So, is the R4 still the cool kid on the block?
212 EVO the cooler kid on the block?
Yes and Yes. There are better coolers for a little bit more money, but the 212 a great value.
I'm personally a big fan of Thermalright heatsinks, and I think they're money well spent over the 212.
Got a preferred Thermalright for a 1155?
I use a HR02 macho but the True Spirit 120 or 140 are a bit more reasonably sized and just as good.
US retailers are limited but there are a few choices http://www.thermalright.com/where_to_buy/where_to_buy_north-america.html
Weird.
Please keep in mind that the last time I bought/built a PC I went with an AGP card over PCI because it was the better option at the time. It's been a while:
Case: Enermax Hoplite ST Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Hot-swap HDD Dock (white w/ blue guts)
Mobo: GIGABYTE X79-UP4 Intel X79 Chipset Quad Channel DDR3 ATX Mainboard
CPU: Intel i7-3820 Quad-Core 3.60 GHz 10MB Intel Smart Cache
Graphics: GeForce GTX 660 2GB 16X PCIe 3.0 Video Card
RAM: 16GB (4GBx4) DDR3/1600MHz Quad Channel Memory
Storage: 2TB HDD and a 128GB SSD
Sound: SB Audigy, something cheap
OS: Windows 7 Home
Freebies: extra 500GB HDD and Metro: Last Light
Cheapies: Keyboard, Network Card, etc.
Some things were chosen because of Memorial Day sale, but will be subject to change if I waffle and take some time to ponder. Cyberpower has me at 1311 plus S&H. A PC build calculator (www.pcpartpicker.com) has me at 1380 for the same setup, which is why I decided to go pre-built.
So, advice/suggestions on either the setup, the price or the site?
I'm also not a big fan of most Enermax cases, but given that you aren't going to be building in it, I'm not sure that matters.
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The Arc Midi R2 is supposed to be releasing soon as well, and that looks really good. It really depends on what your preference is re: sound dampening.
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If you're not going to be doing heavy duty computational stuff on this machine, then going socket 2011 is basically taking a wad of cash out of your pocket, setting fire to it, and then pissing on the ashes.
Z77 mobo, i5-3570K processor, halve the amount of RAM, and roll all the money you save into either a 256GB SSD and a slightly better video card, or leave the SSD as-is and get a way better video card. Also unless you need a soundcard with high quality outputs for the valve amp that powers your $700 audiophile headphones, skip the Audigy. If you do need a soundcard, still skip the Audigy, and go for a Xonar, or if the budget will stretch, a Claro.
Crucial have a 960GB SATA3 SSD for $599, so around $1200?
I will most definitely be going bigger next time, but 128 is still plenty serviceable if you just throw games with long load times on it.
I need MORE
You jerk you.
Lemme hate a little bit more.
also, yeah, a 3570K + Z77 is as good as anything more expensive for gaming. there is almost zero benefit in getting a more powerful combo.
Oooooh
EDIT - My SSD being on backorder is driving me nuts though.
Thinking of getting one of these mothers. I don't think I really want to go up to 27", especially seeing as how $400 is the absolute max budget and I don't want to roll the dice on one of them Korean monitors from ebay (also don't want to wait that long for shipping)
Just posting in here in case there might be some other monitor out there right now that everyone loves
But that dell ultrasharp is also a nice screen.
oh man thanks for reminding me about monoprice.
Now I just need to decide between spending $288 + tax for the 24" or $390 for the 27"
Project Chinoiserie Build Log
I'm too ashamed of the messiness and perpetually in progress nature of my rigs to do logs over on OCN.
Get the 1440p
it's worth it