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[Camelot Unchained] Beta 2 now Testing.

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  • AxenAxen My avatar is Excalibur. Yes, the sword.Registered User regular
    I've been mostly just half paying attention to Camelot. Enough to know they've been making steady progress, but not too much that I begin to hunger for all the news.

    I got the same thing going on with Crowfall.

    Darkewolfe
  • LD50LD50 Registered User regular
    Yeah, I have a pretty hungry appetite for a game in this style, but I do not have the energy to be a cog in the hype engine for games like this.

    AxenDarkewolfeEntarujkylefulton
  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I'm super interested but I worry that they're taking so long that the hype might die and I won't want to play it.

    I also fought off wanting to play DAoC the other day so, there's that too.

    Hype is the worst thing ever to happen to games. That is kind of a horrible way to look at it.

    The fact they are taking their time and not generating hype on promises they can't fulfill may be the best chance this game has. I feel like Crowfall is taking the same approach but they have done a little bit of hyping and it worries me.

    Get a good game DONE and take as long as you need. People with short attention spans flock to hype and leave immediately. People will come and STAY when you just make a damn good game and let that sell your shit.

    SO FUCKING MANY mmos have done the hype thing and fell flat on their face and that is mostly to blame for why the genre is dying. They keep going for that multi million player base to start and hope their monetization strategy will keep people on. It never does. Ever.

    I really look forward to Crowfall more, but honestly it looks like Camelot is doing this thing much better.

    AxenFeldornTaranis
  • DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited October 2017
    I expect neither of them to beat what Warhammer: Online did, a 3-6 month burst of joy and then a rapid plunge into nothing. But I'm ok with that, I don't need a game that I can ride for five years. If I can get three months out of a cool realm MMO I'll be into it.

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  • ZekZek Registered User regular
    I will never get hyped about a small team MMO, it's just not a smart emotional investment. The odds of them competing with WoW on a shoestring budget are minuscule. The optimistic take is that they do something original and interesting to differentiate themselves at a "good enough" level of quality, and thus are able to fill a successful niche resulting in an increased budget and a much bigger team over time to build on it. For that to work it's really critical that they come up with a game concept that is fun to play without too big an investment in manpower-intensive stuff like huge worlds with lots of quests, etc. In any case, I'll believe it's worth getting excited about when I hear it from hands-on impressions.

    kaliyama
  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Except DAOC has almost zero in common with WoW, and fills a niche that has been fairly empty for a long time. So that kind of makes no sense to say.

    The closest a quality game got to that old feeling is GW2 with WvW, but I think anyone playing that said it did not compare.

    The verdict is still out for this to be a quality game, but they already knew their audience and they have the setup to basically be an EVE type game (small but loyal fanbase that can keep the type of game going).

    The biggest issues with MMOs are when they think they can get too big for their britches and try to have too much going on to maintain, and expect more playerbase than they will ever have.

    AxenbowenJamesGoblin
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    You can run a reasonable MMO with a few thousand people tbh, it's the ones who want wow levels if income then write blank checks for features that are wacky

    You can't command wow levels of income without 10+ years of game development.

    Ladies.
    Axenam0n
  • nonoffensivenonoffensive Registered User regular
    Looks like there's some new financial activity over at CSE. Sounds like the talk is about 2019 now.

    http://massivelyop.com/2018/01/18/camelot-unchained-investment-mark-jacobs-interview-vr-beta-one/

  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    Well that was a surprise. I would have thought the game would be created with the original amount that was funded including kickstarter, but 7.5 million extra is over the top.

    I think the game is a little more ambitious than we originally thought.

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  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    I mean, it is a miracle it is still in development at this point. Making MMOs is not cheap. Manhy of those hopeful kickstarer attempts have failed because they figured that out a few years into development. I would assume Crowfall has done something similar by this point because there is no way that is still going as well without a boost.

    Also, giving dates for MMO development is also equally foolish. Of COURSE they missed their set date, based on when the kickstarter started that date given was INSANE.

  • StupidStupid Newcastle, NSWRegistered User regular
    Amusingly enough, as a backer of CU, I just this weekend poured $80 into Crowfall. As a point of interest it looks like Crowfall is about $20M into development right now. That seems like a lot for a niche game! But as has been very correctly stated Making MMOs is not cheap.

    https://crowfall.com/en/funding/

  • Kai_SanKai_San Commonly known as Klineshrike! Registered User regular
    Oh I didn't know Crowfall was up to 24x7 beta access now. Interesting.

    I felt like that game had the highest chance of doing something special with the ole MMO genre. GW2 was the most successful at that a while ago. I think Crowfall could do something on a smaller scale that uses Multiplayer FPS type community sizes to keep a game going strong.

    As long as they don't make the same stupid mistake all MMOs do of trying to become as successful as WoW, they will likely succeed.

  • KylindraKylindra Sage Registered User regular

    Sage Persephone
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    I am always annoyed by the "programmers are so hard to find" type stuff.

    Pro tip to mark jacobs: programmers know how the game dev field is and won't deal with endless crunch times without 6+ figure paychecks.

    Ladies.
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  • nonoffensivenonoffensive Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I am always annoyed by the "programmers are so hard to find" type stuff.

    Pro tip to mark jacobs: programmers know how the game dev field is and won't deal with endless crunch times without 6+ figure paychecks.

    Yeah, programmers are almost everywhere, but I can't personally speak for Virginia. It's harder getting programmers with years of prior game dev experience to relocate to Fairfax, Virginia for the lowest possible salary you can offer without getting laughed at. Anytime you hear a line like that you can usually replace "find" with "pay."

    bowenZekPhoenix-D
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    They could probably do it if they were willing to hire remote too. Especially working for a company without name recognition. That's a hard sell without massive paychecks.

    Ladies.
  • KylindraKylindra Sage Registered User regular
    bowen wrote: »
    I am always annoyed by the "programmers are so hard to find" type stuff.

    Pro tip to mark jacobs: programmers know how the game dev field is and won't deal with endless crunch times without 6+ figure paychecks.

    Yeah, programmers are almost everywhere, but I can't personally speak for Virginia. It's harder getting programmers with years of prior game dev experience to relocate to Fairfax, Virginia for the lowest possible salary you can offer without getting laughed at. Anytime you hear a line like that you can usually replace "find" with "pay."

    I used to live in Fairfax and programmers are everywhere. And salaries are quite high in that area, too. But maybe not a lot of programmers with game dev experience?


    Sage Persephone
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    bethesda is right there, probably can find a few folks

    maybe none that'll do it for $20 an hour though

    Ladies.
  • nonoffensivenonoffensive Registered User regular
    My experience has been East Coast have loads of Microsoft stack windows devs earning insane pay on traditional, business-y Sharepoint type stuff, while West Coast (outside of Microsoft and Intel) has a lot more Open Source guys doing all kinds of weird stuff for all kinds of pay. There are also the startups burning insane amounts of capital and burning out in a year or two. Jumping around startups is a lot more attractive than crunching on a game for two years. Outside of Seattle and San Francisco, things are still pretty reasonable. I've hired more than one guy burnt out on games who just wants a steady paycheck without overtime.

  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    Apparently there's like 4-5 big name game developers in the DC metro area, should be nbd to pull in a game developer for the right price.

    Ladies.
  • StupidStupid Newcastle, NSWRegistered User regular
    Mark has a reputation for being kind of "hard to work with" in the industry too. I mean, he's a really smart guy, almost a savant at character design and game balance, but all of the anecdotal drawbacks to being a savant apply too.

    bowen
  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    Monday February 12th, MJ will be announcing the Beta 1 date over twitch.

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  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    Beta 1 will go live on the 4th of July of this year.

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  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    Beta 1 in 30 days. Get prepared to test CU for bugs, this isn't your demo beta.

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  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    New backer forums are up and running. Forum badges soon.

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  • StupidStupid Newcastle, NSWRegistered User regular
    So I'm a backer of this but have not had time to devote to it. (Much to my chagrin.) Is there a quick-start guide somewhere that tells me how to update/install this in preparation for the actual beta beta? I did play once in one of the alpha phases (for about 15 minutes) and I think I still have the loader/patcher somewhere, but it can't possibly be as easy as patch/install/play! This is an MMO after all heh

  • Edith_Bagot-DixEdith_Bagot-Dix Registered User regular
    Started backing last night. My wife and I may give this a go.



    Also on Steam and PSN: twobadcats
  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    Beta 1 just launched. I just updated the first post and made it more forward and added a bit more information on the game.

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    Edith_Bagot-Dix
  • bowenbowen How you doin'? Registered User regular
    So when does beta open for everyone? I assume Beta1 is just for funders on kickstarter and such?

    Ladies.
  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    Well, there are backer tiers you can purchase that give your friends Beta access, but those are for Beta 3.

    Open beta is after 3 I believe. Currently you can buy into beta 2 for 35$, but beta 1 will cost you 60$. It's more of a pre-order than anything.

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  • stopgapstopgap Registered User regular
    Any news on this? Seemed interesting.

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  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    Someday they will lift the NDA for beta. Until then, you can join everyone on the discord and randomly test the game if you buy into backers.

    Also, the reason this thread isn't updated is because everyone's posting on new fancy forums for everyone who has a backer tier.

    A month before beta, we had a ton of people sign up for beta 1 and join discord. We have hundreds of people on there and a nice community that chats as well.

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    davidsdurionsNyht
  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    edited February 6
    Beta 2 players have been invited to testing.

    Roe on
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  • FeldornFeldorn Mediocre Registered User regular
    After getting back into DAOC this is on my radar.

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  • RoeRoe Registered User regular
    edited June 22
    Roe on
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  • FairchildFairchild Rabbit used short words that were easy to understand, like "Hello Pooh, how about Lunch ?" Registered User regular
    Every time that I see how much art needs to be created for even a basic little MMO, I agree with GW2's decision to go with their splashy watercolor aesthetic, just to cut down on the art requirements.

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