It certainly did seem to set up some new stuff for Sinestro. I wonder if he'll be a part of Lights Out, and if he'll be showing up in Forever Evil or if he's just on the covers.
Also, for the Black Hand issue, I really dug the way
That Black Hand just came back because that's what he does, and it was handled matter of factly without any flash or circumstance.
Some of the villain books have been downright fantastic, many have been 'okay', and some have been objectively terrible.
I picked up quite a few because I straight up love the villains of Superman, Flash and Green Lantern. I also got ones with story relevance for other books I'm reading (i.e., Two Face for Batman & Robin, Riddler for Batman, Black Adam and Secret Society for Justice League, etc). I've only read around half of the ones I've bought so far, and they have occasionally been so-so or bad, but on a whole so far, I'm really blown away by the ones I've read. The quality of both the art and writing on these is way beyond what I expected, and they're way more interesting than the zero issues which really made me lose interest in a lot of books.
And as an extra bonus, I've already read most of the ones I've picked up that weren't by the usual ongoing teams, so there's a pretty good chance that all the ones I have left to read will be just as good or better.
So, props to DC on that. One of my highlights so far has actually been the Two Face issue, which is extra surprising because it tied more into Forever Evil and possibly Arkham War than it did into the upcoming Batman & Robin arc. Now I know that Tomasi writes an awesome Two Face, which can be a difficult task, and I'm also more interested in reading his other one shots and Arkham War.
Out of curiosity, which version of Two-Face did they use?
Multiple personalities, or obsessed with chance/duality?
I know I'm probably in the minority because of BtAS, but I actually prefer Harvey to not have multiple personalities. I was glad when they didn't use that for Aaron Eckhart's role.
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All the Soranik stuff was covered over the course of Tomasi's GLC run, and parts of it were even handled in the main GL book. It all happened between SCW and Blackest Night. Tony Bedard's Weaponer arc touched on it as well.
So it was pretty much a pure recap, but it still handled things really well and gave us a firm grasp of what was still canon.
This was the first I'd heard about the identity of Soranik's biological mother, if they mentioned that earlier I missed it. I am missing an issue from the Weaponer arc though.
I did enjoy the Black Hand issue too (I like Nekron and he was just woken up recently, so anything connected to him interests me.)
I found the raising of Hal's father very distasteful. A theme during the previous GL series was that Hal wasn't with his father when he died but has absolute confidence that his father died without fear, even though Hal couldn't even share his father's last words. His final memory of his father was him saving lives at the cost of his own. I'd really hate to see that warped by Black Hand, especially in light of how hard Hal fought to keep Black Hand from raising him back in the 'Revenge' storyline. I'm not even sure I like the idea of it being written at all. Hal's father seemed resistant to Hand's powers due to how 'at peace' he was with death, similar to how Don Hall/Dove's remains were totally immune to Nekron's black rings.
If it ties in to the Entity being weakened somehow though, it might be interesting.
Out of curiosity, which version of Two-Face did they use?
Multiple personalities, or obsessed with chance/duality?
I know I'm probably in the minority because of BtAS, but I actually prefer Harvey to not have multiple personalities. I was glad when they didn't use that for Aaron Eckhart's role.
Kind of a mix actually? He doesn't have multiple personality disorder but he seems to feel equally strong urges to both destroy and save the city. He is straight up obsessed with duality but its kind of only because he feels compulsions both ways.
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I'm pretty sure those "compulsions" were just indicating his two different personalities. They just didn't spell it out because they assumed their readers were familiar with how Two-Face works.
I always saw Two-Face as more of a nihilist, someone who believes that no choice is preferable to another and that everything is dictated by happenstance and ultimately meaningless. The animated series painted it as a multiple personalities kind of thing, but I don't really remember two personalities vying for dominance in the comics.
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I still dream of Two-Face becoming an actual criminal lawyer, representing supervillains in Gotham's Court system. Occaisonally he might even do some public defender work too.
I liked when DC started to gentrify the classic Batman villains, Penguin getting the Iceberg Lounge and Riddler becoming a freelance detective. You can only get so many disfigurement/plastic surgery stories out of Harvey Dent as he is, and Two-Face is too much of a loner to be a credible empire builder in the underworld.
Basically I want Saul Goodman Two-Face, but cranked up to eleven. Huell can be played by Killer Croc if you like.
I'm pretty sure those "compulsions" were just indicating his two different personalities. They just didn't spell it out because they assumed their readers were familiar with how Two-Face works.
Maybe I'm just splitting hairs and overthinking it.
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I always saw Two-Face as more of a nihilist, someone who believes that no choice is preferable to another and that everything is dictated by happenstance and ultimately meaningless. The animated series painted it as a multiple personalities kind of thing, but I don't really remember two personalities vying for dominance in the comics.
What about No Man's Land? There's that great bit where he holds a drumhead trial for Gordon, and Gordon asks for Harvey Dent to defend him. As a result, the two personalities argue with each other internally, until Two-Face defeats himself. Anyway, B:TAS draws heavily off of the Denny O'neil run. O'Neil was the one to reintroduce Two-Face into the comics, after a lengthy absence during the Silver Age. I'm pretty sure it was O'Neil who brought in the split personalities. That said, the B:TAS Harvey Dent also seems to take a lot of cues from the retelling of Two-Face's origin in the 1990 story Eye of the Beholder, which came out two years before the show.
I'd imagine that the various supervillains do put their skills/talents to use within the criminal community and lend their services to each other. Two-Face probably gives legal advice to criminals who get caught. Harley Quinn and Scarecrow probably provide therapy sessions for their henchmen to resolve personal/family issues and ensure they don't get too stressed out. Clayface probably has his own theater group or trains con men and thieves to be better liars. Black Mask probably gives motivational talks to Wall Street bankers and CEO's of large corporations.
Wasn't there a comic where a villain hired Lex Luthor for a consult on his plan? I seem to remember something about a couple million dollars for twelve minutes of his time or something like that.
Wasn't there a comic where a villain hired Lex Luthor for a consult on his plan? I seem to remember something about a couple million dollars for twelve minutes of his time or something like that.
Yeah. Some bad guys hired him for a consult on how to permanently off Swamp Thing in Moore's run.
It was a pretty good plan. And Lex just kinda tossed it out there like it was nothing.
Black Mask probably gives motivational talks to Wall Street bankers and CEO's of large corporations.
Nah, that'd totally be Great White Shark's gig.
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I mean, all the old Batman villains should basically be considered criminal royalty now. They've done and seen more than most of the new generation of evildoers will ever have a chance to do. And they have undeniable skillsets.
It should be incredible hard for them to find people willing to pay them for their time now instead of roughing it out there. Aside from the extensively insane, of course -Joker, the Ventriloquist, Zsazz, probably Mr Freeze- everybody else who's been in the business for a few decades probably only wants the finer things in life, and realizes they have a reputation that can support that now without having to do ugly grunt command shit anymore.
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Gotham U: Harley, Ivy, Hugo Strange, Scarecrow, Maxie Zeus, whoever else has a doctorate and will play along (Freeze is too much of a lone wolf, Langstrom is too much of a good guy now) running a school for criminals. They beat up Professor Pyg at the end of the first issue when they find out he doesn't even have a BA. The freshman class is all has-beens or legacies trying to reinvent an old identity (NKVDemon, Film Freak, Penny Plunderer, etc.)
I mean, all the old Batman villains should basically be considered criminal royalty now. They've done and seen more than most of the new generation of evildoers will ever have a chance to do. And they have undeniable skillsets.
It should be incredible hard for them to find people willing to pay them for their time now instead of roughing it out there. Aside from the extensively insane, of course -Joker, the Ventriloquist, Zsazz, probably Mr Freeze- everybody else who's been in the business for a few decades probably only wants the finer things in life, and realizes they have a reputation that can support that now without having to do ugly grunt command shit anymore.
Those villains have been in the game the same time as many other older villains. Their careers are also starting over with every reboot. The royalty villains would be the immortals like Ra's al Ghul and Vandal Savage.
Holy moly, Forever Evil 2 was crazy. I thought #1 killed the pace of what had happened in Trinity War, but we're throttled out again. I'm beyond excited to see how this all plays out.
There's also a reading list of tie-ins on the last page that goes into detail about what will specifically be happening in each issue. For example, JL #24 is going to focus on
Ultraman's past, and him having a battle with Black Adam in the present day.
So, DC's announced a new 18-Part Forever Evil Crossover. On one side, at least they're keeping it in their current books and its not is own new miniseries. On the other side, its listed to go from Justice League Dark 24 to Justice League Dark 25. I don't know the JLD schedule, but is it really going to eat this (and the other titles that are part of this event) for four months?
So, DC's announced a new 18-Part Forever Evil Crossover. On one side, at least they're keeping it in their current books and its not is own new miniseries. On the other side, its listed to go from Justice League Dark 24 to Justice League Dark 25. I don't know the JLD schedule, but is it really going to eat this (and the other titles that are part of this event) for four months?
That is terrible, especially given that I was really considering dropping off of JLD and Phantom Stranger (I was only going to give Phantom Stranger a couple more issues anyways to see how he resolves the stuff that happened to him in Trinity War). It's also a huge bummer because Fawkes's Constantine series has been way better than it has a right to be.
Also, seeing how this runs into March with Forever Evil makes me think that these titles will probably all be getting new creative teams once this event ends, just like JLA will be.
So, DC's announced a new 18-Part Forever Evil Crossover. On one side, at least they're keeping it in their current books and its not is own new miniseries. On the other side, its listed to go from Justice League Dark 24 to Justice League Dark 25. I don't know the JLD schedule, but is it really going to eat this (and the other titles that are part of this event) for four months?
It's listed to go from JLD 24 to JLD 29. And since I already buy all the titles(although I was planning on dropping Pandora) it's not really a big deal.
Part 1: "Justice League Dark" #24
Part 2: "Justice League Dark" #25
Part 3: "Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger" #14
Part 4: "Constantine" #9
Part 5: "Trinity of Sin: Pandora" #6
Part 6: "Justice League Dark" #26
Part 7: "Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger" #15
Part 8: "Constantine" #10
Part 9: "Trinity of Sin: Pandora" #7
Part 10: "Justice League Dark" #27
Part 11: "Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger" #16
Part 12: "Constantine" #11
Part 13: "Trinity of Sin: Pandora" #8
Part 14: "Justice League Dark" #28
Part 15: "Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger" #17
Part 16: "Constantine" #12
Part 17: "Trinity of Sin: Pandora" #9
Part 18: "Justice League Dark" #29
I'm still in that collector mentality where I hate having holes in series. I really like the idea of Justice League Dark, even though I've only really enjoyed the initial Milligan arc so far. I'd hate to drop the book for 6 issues and then find out they're putting some incredible creative team on it to win me back. I wouldn't want that gap.
Constantine, on the other hand, I've really, really enjoyed. The Cult of the Cold Flame are pretty neat villains, and I want to see how Constantine resolves the stuff going on with them. As such, I'll probably stay on that book for the foreseeable future, even if it gets sucked into this stupidity.
I was planning on dropping Phantom Stranger with 14, after I see how he gets recruited by the JL Dark. But now I might drop it after 13...
Or, you know, if this is actively bad I might just drop it all.
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I guess the question is going to show up in this, too.
It's a bummer the Trinity of Sin really wasn't anything more than a red herring in Trinity War (and everything else so far). It's a neat idea. Pandora had a lot of potential, too, but her book is super 90s so far.
Now they're going to probably be regulated to third-banana status for the next 10 years or something.
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Makes me think of Saint Seiya.
I should watch Saint Seiya again.
"Oh no, the guy you punched a thousand times is dying because his life energy is flowing out of him. The only way to save him is to punch him a thousand times again, hitting the exact same spots, but from the other side!"
Oh, I also got a chance to read the Final Crisis miniseries and that... is... certainly something. A really angry, dark, unpleasant something.
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Oh my god, part of me wished this would have happened just to see the reaction.
Also, for the Black Hand issue, I really dug the way
Kinda like DC in general.
Some of the villain books have been downright fantastic, many have been 'okay', and some have been objectively terrible.
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I picked up quite a few because I straight up love the villains of Superman, Flash and Green Lantern. I also got ones with story relevance for other books I'm reading (i.e., Two Face for Batman & Robin, Riddler for Batman, Black Adam and Secret Society for Justice League, etc). I've only read around half of the ones I've bought so far, and they have occasionally been so-so or bad, but on a whole so far, I'm really blown away by the ones I've read. The quality of both the art and writing on these is way beyond what I expected, and they're way more interesting than the zero issues which really made me lose interest in a lot of books.
And as an extra bonus, I've already read most of the ones I've picked up that weren't by the usual ongoing teams, so there's a pretty good chance that all the ones I have left to read will be just as good or better.
So, props to DC on that. One of my highlights so far has actually been the Two Face issue, which is extra surprising because it tied more into Forever Evil and possibly Arkham War than it did into the upcoming Batman & Robin arc. Now I know that Tomasi writes an awesome Two Face, which can be a difficult task, and I'm also more interested in reading his other one shots and Arkham War.
Multiple personalities, or obsessed with chance/duality?
I know I'm probably in the minority because of BtAS, but I actually prefer Harvey to not have multiple personalities. I was glad when they didn't use that for Aaron Eckhart's role.
This was the first I'd heard about the identity of Soranik's biological mother, if they mentioned that earlier I missed it. I am missing an issue from the Weaponer arc though.
I did enjoy the Black Hand issue too (I like Nekron and he was just woken up recently, so anything connected to him interests me.)
If it ties in to the Entity being weakened somehow though, it might be interesting.
Kind of a mix actually? He doesn't have multiple personality disorder but he seems to feel equally strong urges to both destroy and save the city. He is straight up obsessed with duality but its kind of only because he feels compulsions both ways.
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I liked when DC started to gentrify the classic Batman villains, Penguin getting the Iceberg Lounge and Riddler becoming a freelance detective. You can only get so many disfigurement/plastic surgery stories out of Harvey Dent as he is, and Two-Face is too much of a loner to be a credible empire builder in the underworld.
Basically I want Saul Goodman Two-Face, but cranked up to eleven. Huell can be played by Killer Croc if you like.
Maybe I'm just splitting hairs and overthinking it.
What about No Man's Land? There's that great bit where he holds a drumhead trial for Gordon, and Gordon asks for Harvey Dent to defend him. As a result, the two personalities argue with each other internally, until Two-Face defeats himself. Anyway, B:TAS draws heavily off of the Denny O'neil run. O'Neil was the one to reintroduce Two-Face into the comics, after a lengthy absence during the Silver Age. I'm pretty sure it was O'Neil who brought in the split personalities. That said, the B:TAS Harvey Dent also seems to take a lot of cues from the retelling of Two-Face's origin in the 1990 story Eye of the Beholder, which came out two years before the show.
Yeah. Some bad guys hired him for a consult on how to permanently off Swamp Thing in Moore's run.
It was a pretty good plan. And Lex just kinda tossed it out there like it was nothing.
Why I fear the ocean.
Nah, that'd totally be Great White Shark's gig.
It should be incredible hard for them to find people willing to pay them for their time now instead of roughing it out there. Aside from the extensively insane, of course -Joker, the Ventriloquist, Zsazz, probably Mr Freeze- everybody else who's been in the business for a few decades probably only wants the finer things in life, and realizes they have a reputation that can support that now without having to do ugly grunt command shit anymore.
Those villains have been in the game the same time as many other older villains. Their careers are also starting over with every reboot. The royalty villains would be the immortals like Ra's al Ghul and Vandal Savage.
There's also a reading list of tie-ins on the last page that goes into detail about what will specifically be happening in each issue. For example, JL #24 is going to focus on
Super cool shit.
Part 1 of Lights Out was pretty good, too.
just
gross
and not in a "oh my this psychopath is terrifying!" way, in a "oh you know Johnny is crazy evil because his favorite thing to kill is children" way
I also enjoy his use of the word "Sheeple."
Feels like a little bit of everything there from old Superman stories.
That is terrible, especially given that I was really considering dropping off of JLD and Phantom Stranger (I was only going to give Phantom Stranger a couple more issues anyways to see how he resolves the stuff that happened to him in Trinity War). It's also a huge bummer because Fawkes's Constantine series has been way better than it has a right to be.
Also, seeing how this runs into March with Forever Evil makes me think that these titles will probably all be getting new creative teams once this event ends, just like JLA will be.
An event mini lasting six months, fine.
But hijacking ongoings for six months? Fuck that
It's listed to go from JLD 24 to JLD 29. And since I already buy all the titles(although I was planning on dropping Pandora) it's not really a big deal.
Part 1: "Justice League Dark" #24
Part 2: "Justice League Dark" #25
Part 3: "Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger" #14
Part 4: "Constantine" #9
Part 5: "Trinity of Sin: Pandora" #6
Part 6: "Justice League Dark" #26
Part 7: "Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger" #15
Part 8: "Constantine" #10
Part 9: "Trinity of Sin: Pandora" #7
Part 10: "Justice League Dark" #27
Part 11: "Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger" #16
Part 12: "Constantine" #11
Part 13: "Trinity of Sin: Pandora" #8
Part 14: "Justice League Dark" #28
Part 15: "Trinity of Sin: The Phantom Stranger" #17
Part 16: "Constantine" #12
Part 17: "Trinity of Sin: Pandora" #9
Part 18: "Justice League Dark" #29
Constantine, on the other hand, I've really, really enjoyed. The Cult of the Cold Flame are pretty neat villains, and I want to see how Constantine resolves the stuff going on with them. As such, I'll probably stay on that book for the foreseeable future, even if it gets sucked into this stupidity.
I was planning on dropping Phantom Stranger with 14, after I see how he gets recruited by the JL Dark. But now I might drop it after 13...
Or, you know, if this is actively bad I might just drop it all.
This just makes me think of Batman Beyond
It's a bummer the Trinity of Sin really wasn't anything more than a red herring in Trinity War (and everything else so far). It's a neat idea. Pandora had a lot of potential, too, but her book is super 90s so far.
Now they're going to probably be regulated to third-banana status for the next 10 years or something.
This makes me think of DC editorial.
Ba Dum Tish.
And this makes me think of Power Rangers.
"The Crime Syndicate is so evil that their presence caused an actual physical manifestation of that extra evil to form and now the Magic People have to fight it"
I should watch Saint Seiya again.
"Oh no, the guy you punched a thousand times is dying because his life energy is flowing out of him. The only way to save him is to punch him a thousand times again, hitting the exact same spots, but from the other side!"
Oh, I also got a chance to read the Final Crisis miniseries and that... is... certainly something. A really angry, dark, unpleasant something.