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Dungeons and Dragons: The Thread of Vile Decades

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    PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    I've killed sentient beings for far less than items bucko

    ain't nothing gonna stop my murderin'

    especially not some stupid alignment

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    KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    PiptheFair wrote: »
    I've killed sentient beings for far less than items bucko

    ain't nothing gonna stop my murderin'

    especially not some stupid alignment

    What is alignment for, if not to be violated by a bloody multimurder?

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    HunteraHuntera Rude Boy Registered User regular
    Look, my alignment is murder hobo and I'll be damned if you make me not kill fuckers for trivial reasons.

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    i am being reminded why i rarely play Good characters.

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    KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    Huntera wrote: »
    Look, my alignment is murder hobo and I'll be damned if you make me not kill fuckers for trivial reasons.

    My players are all unaligned folks who do acts of kindness because it gets them cash. If the bad guys caught on and offered more than the good guys, some might just "merc it up", if you know what I mean.

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    in a game we once over threw a local government because the leader was a jerk and didn't pay us.

    also because he tried to have us killed.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    I just write in "Nic Cage" as my alignment these days

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    I miss playing d&d. never touched 4E, although I bought the books when they were first released. how is it?

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    I miss playing d&d. never touched 4E, although I bought the books when they were first released. how is it?

    depends, do you like a lot of rules about role playing and dislike grid based combat? it you do, you probably won't like it.

    Melding on
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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    I miss playing d&d. never touched 4E, although I bought the books when they were first released. how is it?
    mileage varies

    lots of people on penny arcade love it

    it is very different from 3.X

    wizards is planning on doing everything the opposite of 4e for D&D Next because they think that'll make more money

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    gtrmpgtrmp Registered User regular
    I miss playing d&d. never touched 4E, although I bought the books when they were first released. how is it?

    4e is more balanced and structured than previous editions. whether these are pros or cons is entirely in the eye of the beholder.

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    Melding wrote: »
    I miss playing d&d. never touched 4E, although I bought the books when they were first released. how is it?

    depends, do you like a lot of rules about role playing and dislike grind based combat? it you do, you probably won't like it.

    grind or grid?

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    Melding wrote: »
    I miss playing d&d. never touched 4E, although I bought the books when they were first released. how is it?

    depends, do you like a lot of rules about role playing and dislike grind based combat? it you do, you probably won't like it.

    grind or grid?

    grid

    i love it

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    grid, sorry.

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    KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    I miss playing d&d. never touched 4E, although I bought the books when they were first released. how is it?

    I like it. It has simplicity and depth, depending on the level of understanding the DM has about the rules. Skills are fairly open, combat is fairly specific, the game encourages more game-like elements, but there's nothing stopping a DM from leaving those elements behind. I'd say overall it's more friendly to noobs, but still good to go for vets.

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    No worries!

    Grid combat was always sort of annoying in my old group years ago because we had tiny tables and people sprawled all over a big room, so it made getting up and adjusting dudes on a map a pain

    it'd probably be much better with a large table where everyone was gathered around a central, easy to reach map.

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    to convert from grid to feet just multiply by 5.

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Dubh wrote: »
    I just write in "Nic Cage" as my alignment these days

    That's Chaotic Neutral. We count those.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    There's way more flexible systems than 4e

    If you don't like the options you're provided, it's tough titties
    Unless you want to spend the time fitting custom content in

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Yeah 4E has a solid combat system but everything else, ehhhh

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    DnD as a whole isn't a super flexible system.

    It does do DnD well, however.

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    MorivethMoriveth BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWNRegistered User regular
    Though the elite/boss enemies have way too much HP. At least they did when I played.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Though the elite/boss enemies have way too much HP. At least they did when I played.

    They fixed it in errata earlier on

    And remember those drake swarms?

    Apparently there's been whole parties wiped out by those

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Though the elite/boss enemies have way too much HP. At least they did when I played.

    in mm1 they simply had double or quadruple health.

    They changed it. most solo monsters have maybe three times the health of a normal monster at most, but deal a lot more damage in return.

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    3 and 3.5 were heavily combat focused too. The roleplaying side of D&D has always been pretty lackluster as far as providing players tools beyond just their own imaginations.

    White Wolf always did a good job integrating roleplaying into gameplay, but the balance there was combat largely felt tacked-on.

    Never played a system which was really well balanced in both areas.

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    if only we could mash them together in some kind of horrible monster.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    4e puts a bunch more emphasis on combat

    It also provides fewer spells and magic items that do "interesting" shit

    God, the rituals were a poor replacement for those

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    Really? I remember there being some really interesting baseline cast-whenever spells, like Prestidigitation.

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    Dubh hates 4e

    she hates it forever
    4TH EDITION! SHIRE!

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    rituals could have been better, yeah. i mostly reworked them. cut their times down a lot, typically.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Yeah, it doesn't do much beyond what you see as 0 level spells in older editions

    It's not all bad
    At will spells/abilities were a nice touch

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    i think the resurrect ritual is a bit more than a level 0 spell.

    oh you probably mean cantrips.

    Melding on
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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    I think she was replying to me about Prestidigitation

    god I love that word

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    wizards get cantrips, i think 4, of a pool for now about 7 or 8. they're all pretty neat. light is usually the most useful. disrupt undead can be useful in the right campaign.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Melding wrote: »
    i think the resurrect ritual is a bit more than a level 0 spell.

    oh you probably mean cantrips.

    stuff like resurrect is where it's more elegant

    like, hey, here's some useful spells that should take ten minutes to cast

    but then you get to stuff like a hovering disk, and making that have a longer cast time is just missing out on all sorts of shenanigans

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    MeldingMelding Registered User regular
    it takes ten minutes and lasts 24 hours. that's not bad.

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    Cilla BlackCilla Black Priscilla!!! Registered User regular
    So rituals take minutes to cast?

    That essentially makes them non-combat right, as a turn in D&D is always measured in seconds, isn't it?

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    a turn in 4e is like 5 seconds i think

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    So rituals take minutes to cast?

    That essentially makes them non-combat right, as a turn in D&D is always measured in seconds, isn't it?

    def.

    and if you compare spell lists with the rituals?

    I'm a bit sad they choose not to do more with it



    There's some skill stuff in 4e they did manage to work out well
    for example: Sneak
    and giving the knowledge skills a bit more meat (But is double-edged in that it totally eliminates non-essential party skills. You want a warrior that knows about astronomy? Beat it, kid.)

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    KalnaurKalnaur I See Rain . . . Centralia, WARegistered User regular
    Moriveth wrote: »
    Though the elite/boss enemies have way too much HP. At least they did when I played.

    Yeah, they fixed that.
    Dubh wrote: »
    There's way more flexible systems than 4e

    If you don't like the options you're provided, it's tough titties
    Unless you want to spend the time fitting custom content in

    Which options do you mean? I've found it rather expansive.

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