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Virginia Senate, or how to turn a tie into a Republican majority in one easy step

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  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot. does not eat bugs!Registered User regular
    Maybe chill out.

    I'm not coming at you.


    I just don't trust Republicans to do right by much anything these days, records be damned.

  • intropintrop Registered User regular
    Yeah, Bolling got completely screwed over by the state Republican party re primary/convention, despite the earlier agreements. Counting his vote as in the bag for R's here is, uh, premature to say the least.

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  • ED!ED! Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Is "fuck off. . ." the new ". . .goose" or w/e it is?
    Seriously, this is a topic about which you know nothing.

    Is there some secret Virginia Internet that only Virginians have access to, preventing anyone not from the state from Googling and becoming abreast of current Virginia politics in oh. . .10 minutes?

    And "coup" is a bit melodramatic; shady definitely. Underhanded probably.

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  • ShadowhopeShadowhope Baa. Registered User regular
    Out of curiosity, if some of the Republicans fail to show up for work one day in the Senate, can the Democrats vote to put that district back in?

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Maybe chill out.

    I'm not coming at you.


    I just don't trust Republicans to do right by much anything these days, records be damned.

    Sorry, I just don't generally react well to people telling other people that their reactions are unwarranted based on what they read two minutes ago on Wikipedia.

    Here's the deal with a tie breaking vote in the Senate, particularly as it pertains to Bolling: Virginia's Constitution is unclear on what specifically the Lieutenant Governor is allowed to vote on, so Bolling considered past AG opinions from periods where the State Senate was split and then issued a memorandum to establish a precedent on what he is and is not willing to issue a vote on. The rule of thumb is that on issues where the Constitution mentions Senators or members elected, he won't bother voting because he doesn't feel like he's constitutionally entitled.

    Considering that the chief goal during redistricting in 2011 was incumbent protection and thus ensconced a fairly intractable 20/20 split, that seems like a terrible deal for Senate Republicans. Because the state constitution says explicitly that Senators vote on judges, so Bolling won't even try voting to confirm judges nominated by Governor McDonnell and presumably a future Governor Cuccinelli. It also says the same thing about budgets, so Democrats can effectively prevent the state's legislature from passing a budget they don't like.

    This move is actually pretty important precisely because it's attempting to mitigate the role of the Lieutenant Governor as Bolling has defined it.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    For bonus class with a capital K, they then adjourned in the memory of Stonewall Jackson.

    Gotta love southern Republicans.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Shadowhope wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, if some of the Republicans fail to show up for work one day in the Senate, can the Democrats vote to put that district back in?

    No because they don't control the committees.

  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot. does not eat bugs!Registered User regular
    For bonus class with a capital K, they then adjourned in the memory of Stonewall Jackson.

    Gotta love southern Republicans.

    I doubt it has anything to do with a Black president being sworn in on MLK day, right?


    But seriously, The South. Stop all the Confederate shit. Your great-grandparents didn't even know anyone from that war.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    For bonus class with a capital K, they then adjourned in the memory of Stonewall Jackson.

    Gotta love southern Republicans.

    ffffffffffffffffffffff

    I mean come on! I really hope someone finds some legal bullshit they can use to overturn this just on principle at this point. This is the biggest fuck you ever. [hyperbole engaaaage]

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

  • Knight_Knight_ Dead Dead Dead Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    ...

    Whelp, sure. I think I need a Horrified reaction button.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    On the bright side, I just realized it can't have been a holiday when my mom was in school because Dr King was still alive. So we are more recently terrible on that front.

  • ChanusChanus Sugoi! ^_____^Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    It's a four-day weekend with Lee-Jackson day being on the Friday and MLK Jr day being on the Monday now.

    Though, the Sons of the Confederacy still parade down their Avenue of Second Place Trophies in Richmond over the weekend in full Confederate garb.

    I hate living here sometimes.

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  • intropintrop Registered User regular
    Technically we moved Lee-Jackson day to the Friday before MLK Day back in 2000 (effective in 2001, I think).

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Chanus wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    It's a four-day weekend with Lee-Jackson day being on the Friday and MLK Jr day being on the Monday now.

    Though, the Sons of the Confederacy still parade down their Avenue of Second Place Trophies in Richmond over the weekend in full Confederate garb.

    I hate living here sometimes.

    Do people at least get Friday off to, like, violently masturbate themselves sans lube to interracial porn, or whatever it is one does for Jackson/Lee day?

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    This is really overblown. It's effective 2016 (meaning the Nov 2015 elections). We have a gubernatorial election this year. If Cuccinelli wins, state politics are in a much worse position than it is now anyway. If he loses, that means Democrats have a senate majority (since they'll have the tie breaking vote) and they'll have plenty of chances to undo this before 2015.

    Edit: I'm dumb, Republicans would still almost certainly control the House, so Senate Dems wouldn't be able to undo it. Still, outside of it being a pretty sneaky move, it's not really unexpected or any worse than you see in other states.

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  • Solomaxwell6Solomaxwell6 Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    SammyF wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    It's a four-day weekend with Lee-Jackson day being on the Friday and MLK Jr day being on the Monday now.

    Though, the Sons of the Confederacy still parade down their Avenue of Second Place Trophies in Richmond over the weekend in full Confederate garb.

    I hate living here sometimes.

    Do people at least get Friday off to, like, violently masturbate themselves sans lube to interracial porn, or whatever it is one does for Jackson/Lee day?

    I did not get Friday off, but I violently masturbated sans lube to interracial porn anyway, because that's what I do on Fridays.

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  • ChanusChanus Sugoi! ^_____^Registered User regular
    This is really overblown. It's effective 2016 (meaning the Nov 2015 elections). We have a gubernatorial election this year. If Cuccinelli wins, state politics are in a much worse position than it is now anyway. If he loses, that means Democrats have a senate majority (since they'll have the tie breaking vote) and they'll have plenty of chances to undo this before 2015.

    I think it's more the shock of the balls of the Republican Party here than the severity of what they actually did.

    Honestly, I hope they keep doing more shit like this so people wake up and stop god damned voting for them.

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  • DivideByZeroDivideByZero Social Justice Blackguard Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    This is really overblown. It's effective 2016 (meaning the Nov 2015 elections). We have a gubernatorial election this year. If Cuccinelli wins, state politics are in a much worse position than it is now anyway. If he loses, that means Democrats have a senate majority (since they'll have the tie breaking vote) and they'll have plenty of chances to undo this before 2015.

    I think it's more the shock of the balls of the Republican Party here than the severity of what they actually did.

    Honestly, I hope they keep doing more shit like this so people wake up and stop god damned voting for them.

    I think you will find that quite a few of them are more than happy to continue voting that way because, "I don't care if they play dirty so long as we win."

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  • ChanusChanus Sugoi! ^_____^Registered User regular
    Chanus wrote: »
    This is really overblown. It's effective 2016 (meaning the Nov 2015 elections). We have a gubernatorial election this year. If Cuccinelli wins, state politics are in a much worse position than it is now anyway. If he loses, that means Democrats have a senate majority (since they'll have the tie breaking vote) and they'll have plenty of chances to undo this before 2015.

    I think it's more the shock of the balls of the Republican Party here than the severity of what they actually did.

    Honestly, I hope they keep doing more shit like this so people wake up and stop god damned voting for them.

    I think you will find that quite a few of them are more than happy to continue voting that way because, "I don't care if they play dirty so long as we win."

    Well, yeah, but the problem with Democrats not winning is low voter turnout. Get them pissed off enough and they'll actually vote in off-off years.

    80% of our State-level seats went unchallenged in 2011. That's what Republicans count on.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    This is really overblown. It's effective 2016 (meaning the Nov 2015 elections). We have a gubernatorial election this year. If Cuccinelli wins, state politics are in a much worse position than it is now anyway. If he loses, that means Democrats have a senate majority (since they'll have the tie breaking vote) and they'll have plenty of chances to undo this before 2015.

    I think it's more the shock of the balls of the Republican Party here than the severity of what they actually did.

    Honestly, I hope they keep doing more shit like this so people wake up and stop god damned voting for them.

    I think you will find that quite a few of them are more than happy to continue voting that way because, "I don't care if they play dirty so long as we win."

    Well, yeah, but the problem with Democrats not winning is low voter turnout. Get them pissed off enough and they'll actually vote in off-off years.

    80% of our State-level seats went unchallenged in 2011. That's what Republicans count on.

    It's not just that they're uncontested, they're uncontested because a lot of them are drawn to be noncompetitive, and it's tough as shit to persuade someone to sink a year of his life into running in a district that Barack Obama lost by 10 points with 98% name ID and a record-breaking war chest.

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  • ChanusChanus Sugoi! ^_____^Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    This is really overblown. It's effective 2016 (meaning the Nov 2015 elections). We have a gubernatorial election this year. If Cuccinelli wins, state politics are in a much worse position than it is now anyway. If he loses, that means Democrats have a senate majority (since they'll have the tie breaking vote) and they'll have plenty of chances to undo this before 2015.

    I think it's more the shock of the balls of the Republican Party here than the severity of what they actually did.

    Honestly, I hope they keep doing more shit like this so people wake up and stop god damned voting for them.

    I think you will find that quite a few of them are more than happy to continue voting that way because, "I don't care if they play dirty so long as we win."

    Well, yeah, but the problem with Democrats not winning is low voter turnout. Get them pissed off enough and they'll actually vote in off-off years.

    80% of our State-level seats went unchallenged in 2011. That's what Republicans count on.

    It's not just that they're uncontested, they're uncontested because a lot of them are drawn to be noncompetitive, and it's tough as shit to persuade someone to sink a year of his life into winning a district that Barack Obama lost by 10 points with 98% name ID and a record-breaking war chest.

    Yeah, true, a lot of them are that way.

    Not all of them, though.

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  • EvigilantEvigilant VARegistered User regular
    edited January 2013
    SammyF wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    It's a four-day weekend with Lee-Jackson day being on the Friday and MLK Jr day being on the Monday now.

    Though, the Sons of the Confederacy still parade down their Avenue of Second Place Trophies in Richmond over the weekend in full Confederate garb.

    I hate living here sometimes.

    Do people at least get Friday off to, like, violently masturbate themselves sans lube to interracial porn, or whatever it is one does for Jackson/Lee day?

    I don't know what you did for your Friday but that's what I did.

    Fuck this state sometimes.

    Edit:
    DAMN IT @Solomaxwell16. I was late by like 32 minutes with that.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    SammyF wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    It's a four-day weekend with Lee-Jackson day being on the Friday and MLK Jr day being on the Monday now.

    Though, the Sons of the Confederacy still parade down their Avenue of Second Place Trophies in Richmond over the weekend in full Confederate garb.

    I hate living here sometimes.

    Do people at least get Friday off to, like, violently masturbate themselves sans lube to interracial porn, or whatever it is one does for Jackson/Lee day?

    I did not get Friday off, but I violently masturbated sans lube to interracial porn anyway, because that's what I do on Fridays.

    Oh, so you DID get off Friday.

    ...

    It is waaaay better with your avatar, though, @Evigilant.

    Nothing says violently masturbating sans lube to interracial porn like....

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  • EvigilantEvigilant VARegistered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    It's a four-day weekend with Lee-Jackson day being on the Friday and MLK Jr day being on the Monday now.

    Though, the Sons of the Confederacy still parade down their Avenue of Second Place Trophies in Richmond over the weekend in full Confederate garb.

    I hate living here sometimes.

    Do people at least get Friday off to, like, violently masturbate themselves sans lube to interracial porn, or whatever it is one does for Jackson/Lee day?

    I did not get Friday off, but I violently masturbated sans lube to interracial porn anyway, because that's what I do on Fridays.

    Oh, so you DID get off Friday.

    ...

    It is waaaay better with your avatar, though, @Evigilant.

    Nothing says violently masturbating sans lube to interracial porn like....
    an Asian fellow doing the war face?

    Btw, this is what my avatar is from:
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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    BREAKING NEWS


    Everybody chill.



    The Lieutentant governor of Virginia, Bill Bolling, is a Republican. He would have likely cast the tie-breaking vote for the GOP anyway.


    Craven? Yes. Illegal? Possibly. But this is something that would have happened regardless.




    Carry on.[/fun.]
    OP's Link wrote:
    UPDATE #7: Chelyen Davis tweets, "@lgbillbolling spokeswoman says Bolling wouldn't have voted for redistricting, "has grave concerns... it's not something he supported." Verrry interesting, he can't be pleased about this (makes it more likely he'll run as an indy?).

    UPDATE #8: Jeff Schapiro tweets, "Even @BobMcDonnell is steamed over surprise re-redist maneuver by fellow R's in #Va Senate; worried it threatens his agenda." Nice.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    ED! wrote: »
    Is "fuck off. . ." the new ". . .goose" or w/e it is?
    Seriously, this is a topic about which you know nothing.

    Is there some secret Virginia Internet that only Virginians have access to, preventing anyone not from the state from Googling and becoming abreast of current Virginia politics in oh. . .10 minutes?

    And "coup" is a bit melodramatic; shady definitely. Underhanded probably.

    There is no VAWeb

    Whatever rumors you have heard of are false and nonsense.

    And we totally do not received coupons for baked goods daily from it.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Evigilant wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    Chanus wrote: »
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    It's a four-day weekend with Lee-Jackson day being on the Friday and MLK Jr day being on the Monday now.

    Though, the Sons of the Confederacy still parade down their Avenue of Second Place Trophies in Richmond over the weekend in full Confederate garb.

    I hate living here sometimes.

    Do people at least get Friday off to, like, violently masturbate themselves sans lube to interracial porn, or whatever it is one does for Jackson/Lee day?

    I did not get Friday off, but I violently masturbated sans lube to interracial porn anyway, because that's what I do on Fridays.

    Oh, so you DID get off Friday.

    ...

    It is waaaay better with your avatar, though, @Evigilant.

    Nothing says violently masturbating sans lube to interracial porn like....
    an Asian fellow doing the war face?

    Btw, this is what my avatar is from:
    127_19906924744_8077_n.jpg

    Huh.

    I had always pictured you screaming with joy as you flipped over just about the most perfect omelette without it coming apart on you.

    (I love that two people have agreed with this)

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  • AtomikaAtomika not a robot. does not eat bugs!Registered User regular
    Lanz wrote: »
    BREAKING NEWS


    Everybody chill.



    The Lieutentant governor of Virginia, Bill Bolling, is a Republican. He would have likely cast the tie-breaking vote for the GOP anyway.


    Craven? Yes. Illegal? Possibly. But this is something that would have happened regardless.




    Carry on.[/fun.]
    OP's Link wrote:
    UPDATE #7: Chelyen Davis tweets, "@lgbillbolling spokeswoman says Bolling wouldn't have voted for redistricting, "has grave concerns... it's not something he supported." Verrry interesting, he can't be pleased about this (makes it more likely he'll run as an indy?).

    UPDATE #8: Jeff Schapiro tweets, "Even @BobMcDonnell is steamed over surprise re-redist maneuver by fellow R's in #Va Senate; worried it threatens his agenda." Nice.

    BOOOOOO


    Hope they all catch violent dick-leprosy.

  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    SammyF wrote: »
    The entire holiday in Virginia is recognized as Lee Jackson King day. I believe this has been the case since my mom was in school.

    No, we changed that back in 2000 [to much bellyaching amongst the Commonwealth's conservatives]; MLK day is today and Lee Jackson is appaerntly the friday beforehand, wiki says

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  • SicariiSicarii The Roose is Loose Registered User regular
    I've lived in this state for almost 2 years and I still have absolutely zero knowledge of its politics.

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  • LanzLanz Registered User regular
    Sicarii wrote: »
    I've lived in this state for almost 2 years and I still have absolutely zero knowledge of its politics.

    Long story short: At least in the Metro Richmond region, a lot of the state and local politics sucks ass.

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  • SammyFSammyF Registered User regular
    Sicarii wrote: »
    I've lived in this state for almost 2 years and I still have absolutely zero knowledge of its politics.

    That's not surprising. Less than 40,000 people vote in any given state senate race because voter ignorance or apathy is such an obvious biproduct of putting state leg elections between Congressional midterms and the Presidential election that I'd only be half joking to say that it's intentional.

  • SicariiSicarii The Roose is Loose Registered User regular
    Hmm, I live in the DMV and most people I know are more interested in federal policy than state politics.

    Other than the presidential, when was the last time I was suppose to vote on something?

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  • Captain CarrotCaptain Carrot Alexandria, VARegistered User regular
  • ChanusChanus Sugoi! ^_____^Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    2011 was the last election year before this one in VA. The next one is 2013.

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  • SicariiSicarii The Roose is Loose Registered User regular
    Welp I'm registered now so I guess I have some serious voting to do!

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    That type of apathy is why the GOP keeps winning state elections despite sucking and being unpopular. it does have national effects on the federal level too. Like how do you think they had the power to gerrymander all those congressional districts? Most places the state govt handles that shit.

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  • EvigilantEvigilant VARegistered User regular
    Evil: You were in the 82nd? Had a buddy from in the 101st

    I was in the VA Nat Guard for 8 years and now in the reserves for almost 4. In the guard I was in the 2/111th FA in Richmond, then the 2/183rd CAV out in VA Beach.

    My first tour, we served under the 18th ABC which is that dragon patch.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Ah cool

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