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[mini-phalla] Trouble aboard the SS Phallatomic! - Village and Langly Victory

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    seriously though trv, day one votes are usually unfruitful anyway, but you are not doing yourself or the village any favors by making yourself such an easy target.

    all the mafia is doing at this point is sighing with relief about missing the vote, if you're village.

    To be fair, voting someone out because they're roleplaying is a dumb reason, even for Day 1.

    Anyone voting for someone for roleplaying is a fool and a coward and will be the first against the wall.

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    In fact, BradicusMaximums

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  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    Sounds good. Bradicus

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  • BradicusMaximusBradicusMaximus Pssssssssyyyyyyyy duckRegistered User regular
  • BradicusMaximusBradicusMaximus Pssssssssyyyyyyyy duckRegistered User regular
    edited January 2013
    mill

    I guess. I dun wanna die. You guys would be lost without your faithful lab tech

    BradicusMaximus on
  • premiumpremium Registered User regular
    5ish hours til vote close

  • RetabaRetaba A Cultist Registered User regular
    Baidol to stop from being put up against a wall, with aliens about you never know if they are gonna come from them.

  • InfidelInfidel Heretic Registered User regular
    Hmmm. Ninjas.

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  • Erin The RedErin The Red The Name's Erin! Woman, Podcaster, Dungeon Master, IT nerd, Parent, Trans. AMA Baton Rouge, LARegistered User regular
    Yes. Worry with your back against the wall.
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  • BradicusMaximusBradicusMaximus Pssssssssyyyyyyyy duckRegistered User regular
    mill

    Sorry, forgot not to edit

  • MegafrostMegafrost Leader of the Decepticons Registered User regular
    Baidol. Because I just started tracking votes and Bradicus' vote for TRV looked like self-preservation.

  • InvictusInvictus Registered User regular
    earlier, people're talkin strategy about whats to do and all. did everybody settle on waitin to see what we're up against? Shouldn't we try'n get the ship back up to workin' order? Warp drive bein' down seems t'be fixable, if anybody what knows how...I bet people who're knowin' their way around the Engine Room could try an' fix it. The FTL transmitter, a body assumes, is in the Comm Room, if we have crewpeoples what know how to handle that job.

    Megafrost was sayin' earlier mayhap the other guys want to get stuff fixed...I don't know myself, but seems talkin' to home base 'r whatever would be good, if we could do it, even if we want to put off fixin' the warp drive.

    I don't much get the vote gainst TRV, as people're sayin'. Talkin' odd's no reason to lynch a body.

    I do guess we gotta lynch some one... until I gets some reasons for things, BertezBertez hain't said what yet.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    That... is an obnoxious RP. And I (we) know obnoxious RPs!

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  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    He's Scruffy. The janitor.

    (I live in the south, so it's not that obnoxious to me. I've met senior citizens who don't talk much differently from that post.)

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  • BaidolBaidol I will hold him off Escape while you canRegistered User regular
    I'll have you know the janitor is the most powerful position on a ship.

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  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    The idea of sharing where we are/might be isn't bad, but IIRC, that strategy didn't really pay much dividend in the Mando'Phalla game, so I think it's best to wait and see before we commit to anything fancy.

    Also, it seems to me that TRV RPs all the damn time, so singling him out for it is silly.

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  • InvictusInvictus Registered User regular
    Also, the transmitter what was sabotaged, so fixin' it is prob'ly 'gainst their interests.

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  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    In the meantime, I have no grudge or anything, so I'll drop my No Hard Feelings Day 1 vote on

    Langly

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  • premiumpremium Registered User regular
    A minor mistake with the the narration has been pointed out to me.
    The 'transmitter' in the narration should be properly referred to as the 'transceiver'.
    My apologies for any confusion this may have caused.

  • BradicusMaximusBradicusMaximus Pssssssssyyyyyyyy duckRegistered User regular
    This changes everything

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  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    wait bradicus are you an engineer or a lab tech

    hm

    hm?

  • OminousLozengeOminousLozenge Registered User regular
    Hey, hey guys. Guys. I found a note in my coat. It says...

    "Stab SeGaTai in the grundle with a switchblade. Reasons. Love, Past You. PS- Whose bright idea was caramel flavored vodka anyway? It makes shitty martinis."

    Sometimes I have ideas for things.
  • BradicusMaximusBradicusMaximus Pssssssssyyyyyyyy duckRegistered User regular
    Langly wrote: »
    wait bradicus are you an engineer or a lab tech

    hm

    hm?

    Lab tech. I'm posting from my phone so I just took a guess without checking my inbox. Afterwards I checked and corrected it.

  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    Bradicus

    Right now

  • jdarksunjdarksun Scion of Chaos Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Someone mathy check me on this.

    The plan: every day, we each name two rooms that we might be in. One is correct, one isn't.

    If the mafia lie: using the totals posted for how many players are in each room, we'll be able to suss out short lists of possible liars. Using coordinated shots, we'll be able to test rooms for specific players to further narrow our suspects.

    If they don't lie: we'll have short lists of possible saboteurs.

    But doesn't this give the mafia free kills? Nope. Since each player is still listing two rooms, the mafia still has to take 50-50 odds on their shots. And any unauthorized shooting will indicate mafia presence anyway.

    Mathy people, am I missing anything here?
    It's not a terrible idea, but it'll take a fairly long time to suss anything definitive out.

    Let's run through an example using today's data.

    (randomly generated data)
    Player	 	 	Gen 1	Gen 2	Location 1	Location 2
    1.enlightenedbum 	1	4	Bridge	 	Propulsion
    2.The Anonymous 	2	3	Cabin	 	Engineering
    3.Capfalcon 	 	4	3	Propulsion	Engineering
    4.Anialos 	 	3	2	Engineering	Cabin
    5.BertezBertez  	3	4	Engineering	Propulsion
    6.Kilnaga  		2	4	Cabin	 	Propulsion
    7.Mill 	 	 	2	1	Cabin	 	Bridge
    8.BradicusMaximus 	1	3	Bridge	 	Engineering
    9.MegaMek 	 	1	2	Bridge	 	Cabin
    10.jdarksun 	 	3	4	Engineering	Propulsion
    11.GrimmyTOA 	 	1	2	Bridge	 	Cabin
    12.Invictus 	 	1	3	Bridge	 	Engineering
    13.OminousLozenge 	2	1	Cabin	 	Bridge
    14.kime 	 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    15.Iron Weasel 	 	2	4	Cabin	 	Propulsion
    16.blahmcblah 	 	4	2	Propulsion	Cabin
    17.Megafrost 	 	4	3	Propulsion	Engineering
    18.Malkor  		3	4	Engineering	Propulsion
    19.Bliss 101 	 	4	3	Propulsion	Engineering
    20.Gandalf_the_Crazed 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    21.Langly 	 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    22.Retaba 	 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    23.SeGaTai 	 	2	3	Cabin	 	Engineering
    24.MikeyCTS 	 	2	1	Cabin	 	Bridge
    25.Infidel 	 	1	4	Bridge	 	Propulsion
    26.M.D. 	 	4	2	Propulsion	Cabin
    27.TheRoadVirus 	3	2	Engineering	Cabin
    28.Baidol 	 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    29.Heffling 	 	3	4	Engineering	Propulsion
    30.Assuran 	 	3	2	Engineering	Cabin
    

    Bridge 14
    Cabin 14
    Engineering 14
    Propulsion 18

    Those are about the values we'd expect, though Propulsion is a little high. So who might be lying? Well, anybody who said Propulsion might be a good place to start, but that's a trap. The real question is if there's a solution to the problem set.

    Which, I mean, yes there is - but is it solveable programatically?

    Yeah. I could write an app in 2-4 hours to brute force it.

    But if the mafia was flat out lying, it wouldn't tell us who was lying. Just that there was no solution. We'd have to do a hand analysis from there.

    And if they weren't lying? What would that buy us? There would still be multiple solutions to the problem.

    jdarksun on
  • SeGaTaiSeGaTai Registered User regular
    Now your just showing off

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Scion of Chaos Registered User regular
    SeGaTai wrote: »
    Now your just showing off
    You can't just tell someone "hey, that's a good idea, but it won't work" without showing your math.

    Plus, I could be wrong. Hence submitting it to peer review.

  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    jdarksun wrote: »
    Someone mathy check me on this.

    The plan: every day, we each name two rooms that we might be in. One is correct, one isn't.

    If the mafia lie: using the totals posted for how many players are in each room, we'll be able to suss out short lists of possible liars. Using coordinated shots, we'll be able to test rooms for specific players to further narrow our suspects.

    If they don't lie: we'll have short lists of possible saboteurs.

    But doesn't this give the mafia free kills? Nope. Since each player is still listing two rooms, the mafia still has to take 50-50 odds on their shots. And any unauthorized shooting will indicate mafia presence anyway.

    Mathy people, am I missing anything here?
    It's not a terrible idea, but it'll take a fairly long time to suss anything definitive out.

    Let's run through an example using today's data.

    (randomly generated data)
    Player	 	 	Gen 1	Gen 2	Location 1	Location 2
    1.enlightenedbum 	1	4	Bridge	Propulsion
    2.The Anonymous 	2	3	Cabin	Engineering
    3.Capfalcon 	 	4	3	Propulsion	Engineering
    4.Anialos 	 	3	2	Engineering	Cabin
    5.BertezBertez  	3	4	Engineering	Propulsion
    6.Kilnaga  		2	4	Cabin	Propulsion
    7.Mill 	 	 	2	1	Cabin	Bridge
    8.BradicusMaximus 	1	3	Bridge	Engineering
    9.MegaMek 	 	1	2	Bridge	Cabin
    10.jdarksun 	 	3	4	Engineering	Propulsion
    11.GrimmyTOA 	 	1	2	Bridge	Cabin
    12.Invictus 	 	1	3	Bridge	Engineering
    13.OminousLozenge 	2	1	Cabin	Bridge
    14.kime 	 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    15.Iron Weasel 	 	2	4	Cabin	Propulsion
    16.blahmcblah 	 	4	2	Propulsion	Cabin
    17.Megafrost 	 	4	3	Propulsion	Engineering
    18.Malkor  		3	4	Engineering	Propulsion
    19.Bliss 101 	 	4	3	Propulsion	Engineering
    20.Gandalf_the_Crazed 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    21.Langly 	 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    22.Retaba 	 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    23.SeGaTai 	 	2	3	Cabin	Engineering
    24.MikeyCTS 	 	2	1	Cabin	Bridge
    25.Infidel 	 	1	 4	Bridge	Propulsion
    26.M.D. 	 	4	2	Propulsion	Cabin
    27.TheRoadVirus 	3	2	Engineering	Cabin
    28.Baidol 	 	4	1	Propulsion	Bridge
    29.Heffling 	 	3	4	Engineering	Propulsion
    30.Assuran 	 	3	2	Engineering	Cabin
    

    Bridge 14
    Cabin 14
    Engineering 14
    Propulsion 18
    Those are about the values we'd expect, though Propulsion is a little high. So who might be lying? Well, anybody who said Propulsion might be a good place to start, but that's a trap. The real question is if there's a solution to the problem set.

    Which, I mean, yes there is - but is it solveable programatically?

    Yeah. I could write an app in 2-4 hours to brute force it.

    But if the mafia was flat out lying, it wouldn't tell us who was lying. Just that there was no solution. We'd have to do a hand analysis from there.

    And if they weren't lying? What would that buy us? There would still be multiple solutions to the problem.

    But -- and correct me if I'm wrong, here! -- there's 23 people total in the Bridge, Engineering and Propulsion right now (as an example). If we take the set of all players who are saying "Bridge + Engi", "Bridge + Propulsion", and "Engi + Propulsion", shouldn't we be able to figure out roughly how many people are lying?

    Our data would be made more and more useful each day, as players died and their loyalties were proven, so that we could recalculate the lists of probable liars.

    I don't know, my brain hurts. It would obviously get less unwieldy as the playerbase shrinks, but I feel like there's some good old-fashioned logic puzzle shit going on here.

    If we get a network head tonight, it won't be necessary.

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  • BradicusMaximusBradicusMaximus Pssssssssyyyyyyyy duckRegistered User regular
    Can anyone get a vote count please?

  • premiumpremium Registered User regular
    About 2 hours until vote close.
    Get them votes and orders in!

  • jdarksunjdarksun Scion of Chaos Registered User regular
    But -- and correct me if I'm wrong, here! -- there's 23 people total in the Bridge, Engineering and Propulsion right now (as an example). If we take the set of all players who are saying "Bridge + Engi", "Bridge + Propulsion", and "Engi + Propulsion", shouldn't we be able to figure out roughly how many people are lying?
    No, because you're discounting the people who are in Bridge, Engineering, and Propulsion who say that they're in one of those places, as well as the converse.
    Our data would be made more and more useful each day, as players died and their loyalties were proven, so that we could recalculate the lists of probable liars.
    Except you're intentionally adding noise to the data hoping that you can cancel it out while also not canceling out the mafia's noise.

    However you slice it, we wind up with more junk data than useful data. And there's no real reason to do that.

    Iron Weasel
  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    Oh, phooey. OK.

    (I was actually a mathlete in junior high, but have since done all in my power to avoid the mathy side of life. It shows!)

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  • MegafrostMegafrost Leader of the Decepticons Registered User regular
    Someone asked for a vote count. Here's what I've got:

    Day 1 vote count:

    Mill: 4 (enlightenedbum, GrimmyTOA, Kilnaga, BradicusMaximus)
    BradicusMaximus: 4 (Bliss 101, Megafrost, Baidol, Gandalf_the_Crazed, Langly)
    Mikey CTS: 2 (Heffling, SeGaTai)
    The Anonymous: 2 (Anialos, Infidel)
    Baidol: 2 (Retaba, Megafrost)
    Bertezbertez: 2 (M.D., Invictus)
    Langly: 2 (Iron Weasel, jdarksun)
    Infidel: 1 (The Anonymous)
    GrimmyTOA: 1 (MegaMek)
    Kime: 1 (Mill)
    Heffling: 1 (Mikey CTS)
    blahmcblah: 1 (TheRoadVirus)
    Bliss 101: 1 (Assuran)
    Gandalf_the_Crazed: 1 (Capfalcon)
    Capfalcon: 0 (Gandalf_the_Crazed)
    enlightenedbum: 0 (Baidol)
    TheRoadVirus: 0 (Retaba, OminousLozenge, BradicusMaximus)

  • jdarksunjdarksun Scion of Chaos Registered User regular
    edited January 2013
    Oh, phooey. OK.

    (I was actually a mathlete in junior high, but have since done all in my power to avoid the mathy side of life. It shows!)
    I mean, the only reason you're doing it is to obfuscate data from the mafia - right?

    We only have to kill 6 of them. They have to kill 24 of us. It's probably better to just get a straight up head count.

    jdarksun on
  • LanglyLangly Registered User regular
    mill

    To break the tie, and like mega said, looked like a not wanting to die vote rather than voting for rp

  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular
    I'm actually gonna make a practical vote on Day 1, for once.

    Bertez because of the small bandwagons, I have the least experience with him, and I like having people around that I've dealt with in games like this -- because this looks like a seerless game.

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  • MegaMekMegaMek Girls like girls. Registered User regular
    Changing my vote to mill

    I think you're a joke, but I don't find you very funny.
  • premiumpremium Registered User regular
    Less than an hour remaining in the day.

  • Gandalf_the_CrazedGandalf_the_Crazed Vigilo ConfidoRegistered User regular

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