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[PA Comic] Monday, January 28, 2013 - Trollmax
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Seriously, though. That game is somehow the worst I have ever been in. I love the game, but god I hate the cesspool that is the LoL playerbase.
This doesn't have anything to do with Lolcats?
You must not fear; fear is the LoL-Killer.
http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/ingame/toxic-behavior-gets-entire-league-legends-team-booted-tournament-1C8118274
http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/01/24/riot-games-issues-lifetime-bans-for-league-of-legends-players/
They had also banned two other players for a year just a few days earlier:
http://www.polygon.com/2013/1/21/3899340/two-more-esports-professionals-banned-from-league-of-legends-for
I thought it was about Silence of the Lambs.
MOBA's are as bad as fighting games really, and it's a tragedy because I love LoL.
tournament mid Ashe
I know for a fact that I and several friends, that would otherwise consider playing these games, steer clear of them because we know the community to be so bad that they just aren't worth it.
No game is worth being verbally abused constantly while playing it.
This is me. Every time I think about playing Dota 2 the flashbacks from the original begin.
Yeah I'm really disagreeing with his sentiment on this. Muting has to come after the fact and the behavior is not okay for reasons beyond the space of the game.
Or at least that's the way I read it.
Missed a rather important part.
LoL is a team game, right? I assume being universally muted would neuter you to the point you may as well be banned.
Yeah, this muting nonsense is essentially putting people on time-out, and that rarely does the trick to sending the message across that something wrong was done. More than likely people will seethe about how somebody reported them and made this happen, or whatever.
Edit - Let me rephrase that - one will breed contempt, one has a shot at letting someone know to knock shit off.
Except fighting games aren't bad at all.
That seems eminently abusable. I can imagine an asshole with 50 friends.
I think the League Tribunal does a pretty good job of it. It's not perfect, and I think maybe they ought to incentivize it a little bit more. I think right now you get 5 IP for every case that's resolved where you voted "correctly", but afaik there's no way to track how much you've gained, the status of cases you've ruled on, etc.
So yeah, a system where you have people get perma-muted based on a certain threshold of individuals choosing it would have to get the amount right, as well as other checks to make sure it isn't being abused.
Very exploitable, and unpractical. Eventually anyone will build up 50 mutes for one reason or another. It's just a matter of time.
IMHO though, it would be nice to have a feature that automutes anyone that has been manually muted in 10% of their games.
That said. I wholly approve of permabans due to unsportsmanshiplike behavior. Too many times people get away with shit attitudes and shit behavior with some justification relating to player skill.
Competence is not an excuse for bad behavior.
-Antje Jackelén, Archbishop of the Church of Sweden
It gets abused to the point of uselessness, though. If the fact that Earth Space Dock is Barrens plus Goldshire plus twelve random AOL chatrooms all at once wasn't enough to get you out of zone chat, getting randomly muted for no good reason will be.
Yes. Riot has come out and said that they do not consider forced muting a practical punishment because that also hurts the other players on the team.
You may be thinking and saying to yourself that none of that matters because no action will be taken on those reports. That's not the point. The point is that the system has created an almost equally tense atmosphere because of all the people out there who seem to think that mashing the report button every round is okay, and Riot hasn't said or done anything to make people understand that it's not.
I'm an adult and I play games online with the understanding that people are jerks. This is the reason chat filters and mute/block/ignore functions exist in almost all online games these days. As an adult though, I expect to be able to talk like an adult and use profanity if I choose to. I don't want to play in an environment that feels more like a Catholic school where a nun is ready to smack my knuckles with a ruler everytime I say something that she doesn't like.
Bottom line: Chat filters and mute/block/ignore functions are all that's needed in online games. It's not a game company's place to play internet police.
"Not their place"? Even on their own servers, with people using their own product?
Welcome to the wonderful world of private property. It's their place to do whatever they want with their game on their game servers.
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Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. It's definitely their place to police behavior on their servers. There's really no defense for being a goose online and being subsequently banned for it. Just because chat filters and ignore functions are there, it doesn't give you the ability to spew obscenities with impunity. Online games, such a LoL, have terms of service that you agree to when you make an account. You break those and you have only yourself to blame.
1) Picking characters who don't fit into the already discussed team-meta or the special kind of asshole who picks a champion that doesn't fit at the end of the Draft are actually trolling the game actively. It's a team game and sometimes you have to play a second or third choice to benefit the team. The behavior of playing the champion you want and fuck everyone else should be kept in Custom AI Matches and not when playing with life people. Often an entire team's mojo can get jacked up because some dickshit first didn't talk during the early discussion of team-meta.
2) Non-Traditional Builds are often what trolls do when they're losing or things arn't going well. You have to read the chat log to actually find out that some dude was playing seriously then sold all of their items for GP5 or Boots when the going got tough and they gave up.
3) You have to sometimes tell people to go to a single lane because of point number one. If an early selection was made for a jungler and your the last to pick you may have to solo a lane up top. If you just start ignoring this shit you're going to lose.
All of your points are clearly the right reason to report someone. It's a team game with multiple roles and most players (especially at level 30) should be able to fulfill the basics without throwing a hissy fit.
When I got to that line I giggled quite a bit. And honestly with the tools Riot has implemented to alert your team mates muting is much less restrictive then it used to be. At high level play, hell maybe even mid level play, muting can be very damaging. But for probably half the player base it is not going to affect things really. Remember that all players start out at 1200 Elo and you only have to hit 1250 or something like that to be in the top 25%? Which means 75% of players cannot even maintain a rating much less move up to what is considered an actually skilled level of play. And those are just the players who feel confident enough to try ranked play. Personally if someone on my team is doing horrible I offer constructive advice at first and if they react poorly just mute them and report them after the match. It has worked pretty well.
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I want to say I remember and earlier one about cunt-punting, but I'll have to search for it.
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