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    mxmarksmxmarks Registered User regular
    Yeah it doesn't really make sense the more I think about the actual order the movies come out in.
    it's like it's happening one "phase" too early.

    To make it a decent plot, it needs tons of time. And you need 3 elements:

    -Space to be accepted fully as a place with a ton of alien races that we talk to. Avengers opened this door a crack.
    -The Illuminati, which hasn't been mentioned at all.
    -Hulk being out of control, which Avengers actually put back INTO the bottle and he controls it at the end.

    Phase 2:

    Iron Man 3 - rumors are swirling Tony will go to space for a bit. Makes sense. He could meet the Guardians and advance the space side of things.

    Thor 2 - More space acceptance work. Maybe Dr. Strange enters, which is key to the Illuminati.

    Cap 2 - Maaaaaaybe furthers the idea of needing an illuminati, I can see this movie avoiding space altogether.

    Guardians of the Galaxy - Here's where you can check off space being a viable place in this universe. We meet different races, we see different planets, they interact with each other. Space is a go. Planet Hulk part 1 of 3 complete.

    Avengers 2 - Here's where you could, maybe, get out of control Hulk. That would be alright, if done right. If seeds are planted elsewhere maybe. But we can assume this will be mostly Avengers and a Guardian or 2 vs. Thanos.

    Now, Phase 3. We'll have Ant-Man, hopefully Dr. Strange, and rumors are big with Black Panther and Inhumans. (I can see the phases now having 2 Earth Movies, 1 Space movie per cycle). That gives us our Illuminati right there.

    But I think Avengers 3 would be the one that shoots Hulk into space. And Planet Hulk would be in Phase 4...

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    cshadow42cshadow42 Registered User regular
    You don't need the Illuminati to send Hulk off into space. Just have Fury say "Fuck it, he's a menace, I want him off my planet".

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    TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    They can just adapt the story, it doesn't have to have the same set up as the comic

    The gist of it is that Hulk gets sent to a different planet, is really angry, conquers said planet, planet gets destroyed, Hulk is double angry(and a little sad)
    Hulk is Conan in Space is the core here

    They can have SHIELD be the ones who send him away
    Maybe he gets mind controlled by Thanos or whatever in Avengers 2 and does something bad, and Fury deems him too big of a threat to keep around
    Or maybe a bad guy does it and blames it on the heroes. There's lots of ways to play it

    There's no way we're getting the Illuminati in the MCU anyway
    The super hero world in the movies is just too small

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    Mr PinkMr Pink I got cats for youRegistered User regular
    Speaking of the Illuminati, what studio would have the rights to Namor? Hes a mutant, but also close to the FF license, and originated with Captain America.

    Also I really wish Marvel had the Fantastic Four stuff back in their house because having Earth heroes possibly go into space just seems like something they should be involved with.

    I also want Dr Doom to be the villain for Avengers 3.

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    That was a pretty cool clip for IM3 in the Super Bowl (and the extended look stuff), but the gold armor still doesn't look right, it's just too shiny and for a second I thought the CGI wasn't complete.

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    Saying it would be a Ruffalo vehicle is a bit of a stretch. Banner doesn't get a lot of face time in Planet Hulk. But they should just copy the animated movie.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    I thought it looked really awesome in motion, myself.

    Also the Latino Review Hulk rumor sounds like a load of shit.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Planet Hulk is not happening in live action. For one thing, imagine how much the trailers would look like John Carter.

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    wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    Does Marvel Studios own the rights to Namor? That would be a fantastic character to add to the universe.

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    I would be completely fine if live action planet Hulk used the same switch the cartoon did. Beta Ray Bill!

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    wirehead26 wrote: »
    Does Marvel Studios own the rights to Namor? That would be a fantastic character to add to the universe.

    Wouldn't he be tied up with the Fantastic Four license at Fox?

    But then he's also a bit of an X-Men character, isn't he?

    Hrm.

    EDIT: Oh, wait, Fox has both of those. My bad. :p

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    There's also a case to be made that Namor could be coupled with Avengers rights. Now I'm curious who owns Namor

    Edit: Altho, I question my sexuality enough/GF drools enough over Cap and Thor! , Namor running around buff and in a speedo for 90 minutes would be the end of us all!

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    EtchwartsEtchwarts Eyes Up Registered User regular
    They could have a similar deal as they do with Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver; they can have the character as long as they don't mention their status in the other license.

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    TurambarTurambar Independent Registered User regular
    My trusty pal Google tells me that Namor was owned by Universal, but reverted back to Marvel around the same time Hulk did

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    TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Turambar wrote: »
    My trusty pal Google tells me that Namor was owned by Universal, but reverted back to Marvel around the same time Hulk did

    It would make sense that Namor was a separate license. While he is traditionally a Fantastic Four character and has been tied up with the X-Men lately (technically a mutant), he has been around longer than Captain America.

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Yeah, Namor has been a separate license forever. There was talk of a Namor movie back during the superhero craze in the mid 2000s.

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    TairuTairu Registered User regular
    If we get a Namor movie before an Aquaman movie I'll cry

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    BusterKBusterK Negativity is Boring Cynicism is Cowardice Registered User regular
    Namor was Marvel's second character after the Human Torch

    He is his own thing

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Planet Hulk is not happening in live action. For one thing, imagine how much the trailers would look like John Carter.

    To be fair, I think John Carter would have done alright if it had starred the Hulk.

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    You already have name recognition, and presumably an ad campaign not put out by idiots.

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Unless Aquaman is the Brave and the Bold version, then I'd rather get Namor first.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Tairu wrote: »
    If we get a Namor movie before an Aquaman movie I'll cry

    why

    Namor is older and better

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    BlankZoeBlankZoe Registered User regular
    Disagree.

    To the better, of course.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Namor has much more personality than Aquaman

    and he has a much better catchphrase

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    TairuTairu Registered User regular
    This could all be solved if they had a crossover movie

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    BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    Either way I will probally skip it

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    Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    mxmarks wrote: »
    Yeah it doesn't really make sense the more I think about the actual order the movies come out in.
    it's like it's happening one "phase" too early.

    To make it a decent plot, it needs tons of time. And you need 3 elements:

    -Space to be accepted fully as a place with a ton of alien races that we talk to. Avengers opened this door a crack.
    -The Illuminati, which hasn't been mentioned at all.
    -Hulk being out of control, which Avengers actually put back INTO the bottle and he controls it at the end.

    Phase 2:

    Iron Man 3 - rumors are swirling Tony will go to space for a bit. Makes sense. He could meet the Guardians and advance the space side of things.

    Thor 2 - More space acceptance work. Maybe Dr. Strange enters, which is key to the Illuminati.

    Cap 2 - Maaaaaaybe furthers the idea of needing an illuminati, I can see this movie avoiding space altogether.

    Guardians of the Galaxy - Here's where you can check off space being a viable place in this universe. We meet different races, we see different planets, they interact with each other. Space is a go. Planet Hulk part 1 of 3 complete.

    Avengers 2 - Here's where you could, maybe, get out of control Hulk. That would be alright, if done right. If seeds are planted elsewhere maybe. But we can assume this will be mostly Avengers and a Guardian or 2 vs. Thanos.

    Now, Phase 3. We'll have Ant-Man, hopefully Dr. Strange, and rumors are big with Black Panther and Inhumans. (I can see the phases now having 2 Earth Movies, 1 Space movie per cycle). That gives us our Illuminati right there.

    But I think Avengers 3 would be the one that shoots Hulk into space. And Planet Hulk would be in Phase 4...
    They don't need the Illuminati. Replace them with the Avengers. Besides, it already has a few members in it already.
    Saying it would be a Ruffalo vehicle is a bit of a stretch. Banner doesn't get a lot of face time in Planet Hulk. But they should just copy the animated movie.

    Ruffalo plays both roles.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    cshadow42 wrote: »
    You don't need the Illuminati to send Hulk off into space. Just have Fury say "Fuck it, he's a menace, I want him off my planet".

    Nick Fury: no matter the setting or medium, always making stupid decisions

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    Also Namor and Aquaman are both great for different reasons

    christ it's not a competition guys!

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    Undead ScottsmanUndead Scottsman Registered User regular
    Okay, regarding the Phase2/3 rumor, here's what I think they could do and what they'll have problems with
    1. I can totally see Hulk getting shot off into space in Avengers 2. I can see the Avengers & Guardians fighting Thanos, Thanos using the Infinity Guantlet to turn the Hulk against them, and the Avengers being forced to make the decision trick the Hulk onto a shuttle and send him away from the fight (Possibly with the intention of grabbing him after the fight, but he falls into a wormhole). You don't need the Illuminati for this, and really, they don't make sense in a universe that has less superheroes total than were on the actual Illuminati.

    2. First problem with Planet Hulk: The Hulk is the feral, savage hulk and Planet Hulk needs the intelligent & misunderstood Hulk. I suppose Thanos's meddling could cause that to happen, but I would have liked to see a stand-alone movie first to accomplish the goal of a smarter hulk (maybe with the Leader tinkering with the Hulk, trying to perfect the gamma process).

    3. $$$ I said it before, but you'll need an Avatar sized budget to do a movie starring the Hulk (who is running around as the Hulk for 99% of the time) on an alien planet. You can get away with red and gray-facing most of the generic aliens, but you'll still have a ton of other monsters and aliens that will need to be either CGI'd or done with practical effects. I don't think Marvel is going to be willing to drop an Iron Man sized budget onto a Hulk movie, no matter the reception he got in the Avengers.

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    CrimsondudeCrimsondude Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    Solar wrote: »
    Nick Fury: no matter the setting or medium, always making stupid decisions
    Agree so hard.

    Ruffalo plays both roles.
    Yeah, but onscreen he'd still be a CGI creature.

    Okay, regarding the Phase2/3 rumor, here's what I think they could do and what they'll have problems with
    ...

    2. First problem with Planet Hulk: The Hulk is the feral, savage hulk and Planet Hulk needs the intelligent & misunderstood Hulk. I suppose Thanos's meddling could cause that to happen, but I would have liked to see a stand-alone movie first to accomplish the goal of a smarter hulk (maybe with the Leader tinkering with the Hulk, trying to perfect the gamma process).
    Not even Thanos, but the wormhole trip itself.

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Where's all this Fury-bashing suddenly coming from??

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    TexiKenTexiKen Dammit! That fish really got me!Registered User regular
    Where's all this Fury-bashing suddenly coming from??

    his left side, because he never sees it coming.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    I have never liked Nick Fury

    mostly because he is one of those military/espionage guys in fiction who are massive jerks but it's okay, they are making the tough choices!

    whereas really

    they are just massive jerks

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    WiseManTobesWiseManTobes Registered User regular
    cshadow42 wrote: »
    You don't need the Illuminati to send Hulk off into space. Just have Fury say "Fuck it, he's a menace, I want him off my planet".

    Could even remove the subterfuge altogether, Hulk on a space mission, sucked into a wormhole.

    ( If we remove the illuminati also, then after Sakaar explodes, Hulk and the Warbound can police space , smashing wrongs!)


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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    Solar wrote: »
    I have never liked Nick Fury

    mostly because he is one of those military/espionage guys in fiction who are massive jerks but it's okay, they are making the tough choices!

    whereas really

    they are just massive jerks

    are you saying that having to make a lot of tough choices wouldn't make you a jerk

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    I am saying that he makes a lot of "tough choices" and is a jerk (note the quotation marks)

    but that making a lot of "tough choices" doesn't excuse his jerk-ness

    He's also another one of these regular unpowered humans who is all "we do the real work around here"

    I hate that

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    Centipede DamascusCentipede Damascus Registered User regular
    I don't think it necessarily excuses it, but it does explain it.

    Spending seventy-plus years making hard choices and doing terrible things for the greater good without any recognition or reward would make anyone into a huge jerk.

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    SolarSolar Registered User regular
    But that's the thing

    he does all these things and excuses it away

    but I think that JT in Secret Warriors had a point

    he perpetuates these things. He's an old man fighting an old war and he should just let it end and move on and (this is unspoken but suggested) die like his war has

    that was a cool scene

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