Yes, the fights dragged on too long and it became far too unbelievable for me during the metropolis scenes that Superman wasn't endangering people. During the Smallville fight I could at least pretend that Superman hadn't had any real experience with these battles yet, so he wasn't able to think ahead enough to divert the fight to another area. But by that last battle with Zod, he should've known better.
But I thought the film put him in a really tough situation where he had no other out. No more phantom zone projector, no one else that could stand a chance against Zod. Supes himself wasn't even a trained fighter, and he was barely ever holding his own against the warrior-born kryptonians from the Phantom Zone. I was actually more surprised by how quickly the neck-breaking happened when Zod had him by the ropes for the entire movie to that point.
It's something that has been bothering me in DC books lately. Yes, it's great that Batman doesn't kill and that's always been a fundamental element of Superman: he's a moral true north. But then you end up with things like Death of the Family, where a writer has the villain amass a ridiculously high death toll of nobody background citizens just to make the story stand out as an essential one for that villain (so-and-so's back and worse than ever!), and it breaks all logic within that universe for me. It makes these characters less effective to me when they allow things like that to happen. I would much rather see them placed in tough situations like this, where on extremely rare occasions they're faced with difficult choices, and the end results visibly weigh upon them.
How many big two characters are left that have no killing as part of their core character? I don't think many like to do it, but Superman, Batman and Peter Spider-Man are the only ones that stand out with it in their mission statement.
So, if I want the classical, archetypical version of Superman, I'll stick with the Donner films, which I still hold higher than this one.
But I thought this was as great a modernization of Superman as Batman Begins was for Batman. And when that came out, we were having a very similar discussion. As far as modern Superhero films go, Man of Steel is currently my favorite by a substantial margin.
It was like a better version of Superman: Earth One.
My understanding of Superman: Earth One is that the movie could literally snap your neck and it STILL would be better then Superman:Earth One.
Well, I mean it was a lot closer to what Superman: Earth One should've been. Which is just a modernized, leaner version of the Superman mythos with some of the more far-fetched elements toned down or removed.
I'm not criticizing you Hadji, but it's weird to me how people buy into the whole idea of "they had no choice!", as if the writers don't create the situations that limit the choices the characters can take.
Like, "Superman had no choice but to kill Zod"! Why didn't he have a choice? Well, he had no Phantom Zone projector. Why didn't he have one? Because the writer decided he shouldn't have one. Zod was about to kill that family! Well, why was that family there? The writer put them there. The writer made it so that family couldn't escape. That the situation was blatantly constructed to give Superman little choice but to murder Zod is not an excuse for Superman to murder Zod.
I'm not criticizing you Hadji, but it's weird to me how people buy into the whole idea of "they had no choice!", as if the writers don't create the situations that limit the choices the characters can take.
Like, "Superman had no choice but to kill Zod"! Why didn't he have a choice? Well, he had no Phantom Zone projector. Why didn't he have one? Because the writer decided he shouldn't have one. Zod was about to kill that family! Well, why was that family there? The writer put them there. The writer made it so that family couldn't escape. That the situation was blatantly constructed to give Superman little choice but to murder Zod is not an excuse for Superman to murder Zod.
And even then it doesn't really work because
The Kryptonians are shown to be able to throw each other around like nothing and if he had the strength to snap his neck why did he not have the strength to do something non-lethal?
Also why doesn't the family fucking RUN.
ANd I wont be spoiling that line because nobody who hasn't seen it will notice.
Even without the phantom zone projector, there is still a way to take away Zod's powers. They can replicate Krypton's atmosphere.
As for the "he has no choice" thing, as I mentioned earlier, all the earlier collateral damage really weakens that scene. It wasn't the first "he has no choice" scene. Superman was clearly unable to stop Zod from killing thousands of people when they were smashing through dozens of buildings so why didn't he try to use lethal force earlier?
The scene would have been much stronger if they had shown Superman saving people from the collateral damage earlier. Instead of having Zod start off with Superman's level of power, have him start out much weaker. Have Zod take advantage of Superman's compassion by intentionally causing lots of collateral damage so that Superman has fly around trying to protect/save civilians while fighting Zod at the same time. However, Zod absorbs more of the sun's energy and his strength grows as the fight continues, making it harder for Superman to save the civilians. Finally, Zod's power reaches Superman's level and Superman is no longer able to protect civilians from Zod and that's when he has to kill Zod.
During the fight with the female Kryptonian she mentions that she's superior because she's not bound by morality, insuaniating that Supes is weak because he wants to protect the humans.
Yet they NEVER reference back to that. I surely thought they were setting up Supes protecting people at the cost of advantage during the final fight. Instead, as it's been pointed out already so much, he doesn't seem to care about any of the collateral damage, or really about protecting almost anyone that's not Lois.
The ending would have been earned had they shown that. Instead it really just came off as "See how shocking we can be?!
This wouldn't be the first time Zack Snyder missed the point of his source material. He neutered the meaning of Watchmen by changing the "alien" to Dr. Manhattan.
Yeah, a lot of the bad reviews are obvious trolling. Because bad reviews of popular movies generates more traffic.
this just proves the avengers had lots of good reviews
the point that dude was making (in a very stupid way) is that a bad review of a.beloved movie drums up traffic, which is true. people love reading an opinion they think they know is wrong.
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My understanding of Superman: Earth One is that the movie could literally snap your neck and it STILL would be better then Superman:Earth One.
BTW, nightmarenny
And even then it doesn't really work because
Also why doesn't the family fucking RUN.
ANd I wont be spoiling that line because nobody who hasn't seen it will notice.
As for the "he has no choice" thing, as I mentioned earlier, all the earlier collateral damage really weakens that scene. It wasn't the first "he has no choice" scene. Superman was clearly unable to stop Zod from killing thousands of people when they were smashing through dozens of buildings so why didn't he try to use lethal force earlier?
The scene would have been much stronger if they had shown Superman saving people from the collateral damage earlier. Instead of having Zod start off with Superman's level of power, have him start out much weaker. Have Zod take advantage of Superman's compassion by intentionally causing lots of collateral damage so that Superman has fly around trying to protect/save civilians while fighting Zod at the same time. However, Zod absorbs more of the sun's energy and his strength grows as the fight continues, making it harder for Superman to save the civilians. Finally, Zod's power reaches Superman's level and Superman is no longer able to protect civilians from Zod and that's when he has to kill Zod.
Yet they NEVER reference back to that. I surely thought they were setting up Supes protecting people at the cost of advantage during the final fight. Instead, as it's been pointed out already so much, he doesn't seem to care about any of the collateral damage, or really about protecting almost anyone that's not Lois.
The ending would have been earned had they shown that. Instead it really just came off as "See how shocking we can be?!
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i'm just hoping that the rumor is true and
There is a much better look at the real costume that Chris himself wears in another picture.
this just proves the avengers had lots of good reviews
the point that dude was making (in a very stupid way) is that a bad review of a.beloved movie drums up traffic, which is true. people love reading an opinion they think they know is wrong.
bad reviews, however, aren't fucking trolling.
people got opinions, dogg.
unless it is a perfectly reviewed, a dogg can point to a bad review as an attempt.to drum up.traffic
you're purposely letting your dislike of a movie you ain't seen obscure the picture
You're being weird TLB.
Seriously, as soon as this happened, my brother and I both looked at one another, and at the same time whispered, "Those look like dicks."
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EDIT: And apologizies if that sounded overblown; I'm too tired to find synonyms that don't make me sound like a tool.
Because 3 villains, really?
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Not even LotR, from that weird indie film where like the cowboys fight a bunch of orcs or whatever.
Chris Sims gets it.