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Hmm.
Okay, looking at this once my initial mild disappointment was done (and it wasn't exactly a surprised disappointment. "Marth" replacing Marth was a longshot. Possible, given she's a bit more popular from all I've seen, but, you know, even if it was possible it'd only be with a lot of character cuts going down. Which the rest of the roster reveals didn't make too likely) there's something of a good sign for democracy's favorite Awakening character.
Most characters get their most recent appearance invoked for their design in Smash. Link's colors are more Twilight Princess, but there's a lot of design cues from Skyward, Samus's suit is from (puttup!) Other M, villager's going hatless, and so on.
Marth's most recent appearance was in Awakening's DLC, where he got a design that, while it draws from his earlier art, goes in a different direction than previous showings.
Instead, Smash Bros went with the Shin Monshō no Nazo design.
The one with the greatest visual difference compared to "Marth"
Look at a side by side. "Marth" has long sleeves. Marth is showing some skin. Marth has brown boots. "Marth" has blue knee highs. On and on and on. Even Falchion looks different.
Not saying it's anything like a guarantee. But if I was looking for a Marth design to let "Marth" look as distinct as possible in a second character slot, this is the one.
Please stop dogpiling Chen and his terrible opinions.
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I think it is likely that there will be an Awakening character in the game.
I think "Marth" is more likely than Chrom, considering that she's (alright, slight spoiler, but it's pretty obvious) the most popular character in the game by a goodly margin, and it would boost the female character count. Plus, a pic of "Marth" and Marth squaring off in Regna Ferox would set the net on fire for a little bit.
Unless you mean Marth classic is the reskin, in which case, yeah. Not likely.
As someone who only knows Marth and Roy and Ike from the smash series I had to discern what the hell all of you were taking about with Marth vs "Marth". And while I can see how important it is to some of you, given that the franchise is still really niche it makes sense to me to at least include male marth first.
There is a world of difference between the two concepts, both in design and execution. It's not evolutionary by any means. It's restrictive. Let me explain it to you.
Supporting characters pre-Awakening sometimes have romantic chemistry, yes, but they leave it ambiguous until the epilogue. Maybe they like each other enough to spend the rest of their lives together, maybe they don't. That's the beauty of character writing. In Awakening, every character who has the option to support a character of the opposite gender can marry him or her (I may be wrong). This means that the writers have to accommodate this by writing nonsense to show that the two have a common interest or belief, even though they have little actual chemistry going on. Take the Avatar. He or she can marry every character of the opposite gender. I supported him with Miriel and I am supposed to believe he can marry her some day? Totally implausible. However, the writers are constricted because of this design concept: they have to oblige to this concept by being a matchmaker and let him marry Miriel if given the option. It doesn't help that the Avatar has to converse in generic and vapid dialogue, since you're supposed to be the personification of him or her and he has dozens of love interests. There is also a disproportionate amount of cross gender supports compared to same gender supports, because of the amount of dialogue that has to be written in service of this marriage bullshit.
I called it a bad dating sim, because unlike dating sims, you can't socially interact with characters. You choose a partner, scroll through the bullshit dialogue and have to believe this nonsense.
So I for one would be glad if there are no bullshit characters from Awakening in SSB4, but I have to be realistic that there will be at least one playable character.
There is a world of difference between the two concepts, both in design and execution. It's not evolutionary by any means. It's restrictive. Let me explain it to you.
Supporting characters pre-Awakening sometimes have romantic chemistry, yes, but they leave it ambiguous until the epilogue. Maybe they like each other enough to spend the rest of their lives together, maybe they don't. That's the beauty of character writing. In Awakening, every character who has the option to support a character of the opposite gender can marry him or her (I may be wrong). This means that the writers have to accommodate this by writing nonsense to show that the two have a common interest or belief, even though they have little actual chemistry going on. Take the Avatar. He or she can marry every character of the opposite gender. I supported him with Miriel and I am supposed to believe he can marry her some day? Totally implausible. However, the writers are constricted because of this design concept: they have to oblige to this concept by being a matchmaker and let him marry Miriel if given the option. It doesn't help that the Avatar has to converse in generic and vapid dialogue, since you're supposed to be the personification of him or her and he has dozens of love interests. There is also a disproportionate amount of cross gender supports compared to same gender supports, because of the amount of dialogue that has to be written in service of this marriage bullshit.
I called it a bad dating sim, because unlike dating sims, you can't socially interact with characters. You choose a partner, scroll through the bullshit dialogue and have to believe this nonsense.
So I for one would be glad if there are no bullshit characters from Awakening in SSB4, but I have to be realistic that there will be at least one playable character.
...I just want someone I can hit in the face with a sword.
I just wonder if Chrom/"Marth" will be closer to Ike or Marth on that spectrum
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The only problem I have with "Marth" being in as an alternate character is she would be a clone, and not a "sort of kinda different clone." like the Star Fox gang but a clone with barely any visual distinction from regular Marth. Not only that, but Fire Emblem is still a fairly niche series that would be lucky to get a third character. Furthermore, without sounding like a dick you guys would probably lucky to even to get "Marth" as an assist trophy, because I don't know about you but I'm sure the last thing Nintendo wants to do is create even more confusion about the Fire Emblem franchise.
Edit: All that any of my friends know about Fire Emblem comes from Smash. Imagine the bewilderment of the casual player when there are two Marths.
The only problem I have with "Marth" being in as an alternate character is she would be a clone, and not a "sort of kinda different clone." like the Star Fox gang but a clone with barely any visual distinction from regular Marth. Not only that, but Fire Emblem is still a fairly niche series that would be lucky to get a third character. Furthermore, without sounding like a dick you guys would probably lucky to even to get "Marth" as an assist trophy, because I don't know about you but I'm sure the last thing Nintendo wants to do is create even more confusion about the Fire Emblem franchise.
"Marth" and Chrom have literally identical fighting styles according to Awakening, so swinging the two of them as alternate versions of the same character would be pretty easy, ala the Wii Fit Trainer
More, they're both on the cover and they're the most popular characters in their game by a huge margin - with "Marth" outranking Chrom - so not seeing the one in the mask at some point just feels unlikely
Nintendo including Roy before his game even released - and when it wasn't released in any territory outside Japan - suggests they're not too afraid about confusion. Hell, Brawl says that all oevr the place for all sorts of games
We're not going to see it immediately, but I would be really surprised if we didn't get both of those characters
Edit:
Also, just for clarity's sake, "Marth" would probably use their actual name
The most popular character in the game on every continent, and in the franchise's history
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Yes, "Marth" is a fantastic character. If they made her an alternate to Chrom, I'd be ok with that. If they play similar to Ike, even better. (I'm going to miss Ike. )
That's why I'm going to drop the "marth" thing - and I assume everyone else will do the same - once their actual name and face is plastered all over the main Smash Bros. page
Just gotta add this "marth" and chrom have identical fighting styles is pretty bullshit. It's based off one line in the game but looking at them it's pretty obvious they are different. They have totally different battle animations and just looking at their physique it seems obvious that in smash chrom would be on the heavier and slower side like ike while "marth" would be light and speedy.
Just gotta add this "marth" and chrom have identical fighting styles is pretty bullshit. It's based off one line in the game but looking at them it's pretty obvious they are different. They have totally different battle animations and just looking at their physique it seems obvious that in smash chrom would be on the heavier and slower side like ike while "marth" would be light and speedy.
What about the bit in Arena Ferox where Chrom and Marth square off, and their blows are nearly identical, causing Crom to ask where Marrh learned that fighting style?
Probably should finish Awakening one of these days...
Also, I'm thinking this version of adult Link maybe be what he is gonna look for the new Wii U Zelda game. I mean, they used Pit's style in Brawl before they debuted him in Kid Icarus Uprising. This Link just doesn't look like Skyward Sword Link at all.
Just gotta add this "marth" and chrom have identical fighting styles is pretty bullshit. It's based off one line in the game but looking at them it's pretty obvious they are different. They have totally different battle animations and just looking at their physique it seems obvious that in smash chrom would be on the heavier and slower side like ike while "marth" would be light and speedy.
It's not based on one line; it's based on several conversation, including their own supports, and at least two FMV animations where Chrom and "Marth" animate in exactly the same way
The implication is that after they've trained together they differentiate their styles if only to fight each other more efficiently, but they are perfect physical matches who at least initially have identical styles. Even if their in-combat animations are different, canonically they have identical styles.
And different body types don't mean squat - the Male Wii Fit Trainer is buffer than the FWFT, but you can bet your bottom dollar they will be the same weight, strength, speed, etc.
Just gotta add this "marth" and chrom have identical fighting styles is pretty bullshit. It's based off one line in the game but looking at them it's pretty obvious they are different. They have totally different battle animations and just looking at their physique it seems obvious that in smash chrom would be on the heavier and slower side like ike while "marth" would be light and speedy.
It's not based on one line; it's based on several conversation, including their own supports, and at least two FMV animations where Chrom and "Marth" animate in exactly the same way
The implication is that after they've trained together they differentiate their styles if only to fight each other more efficiently, but they are perfect physical matches who at least initially have identical styles. Even if their in-combat animations are different, canonically they have identical styles.
And different body types don't mean squat - the Male Wii Fit Trainer is buffer than the FWFT, but you can bet your bottom dollar they will be the same weight, strength, speed, etc.
I realize that canonically they have the same style, I just don't think it means much. But this is mainly based off the assumption that if they add chrom he'll be a lot slower than marth. But if they find a different way to differentiate them I'll be impressed. But it doesn't make any sense for "marth" to be slower than marth. It's far more likely for them to be alts (they have the exact same model/attacks in awakening) but we already went over why that isn't super likely.
Just gotta add this "marth" and chrom have identical fighting styles is pretty bullshit. It's based off one line in the game but looking at them it's pretty obvious they are different. They have totally different battle animations and just looking at their physique it seems obvious that in smash chrom would be on the heavier and slower side like ike while "marth" would be light and speedy.
It's not based on one line; it's based on several conversation, including their own supports, and at least two FMV animations where Chrom and "Marth" animate in exactly the same way
The implication is that after they've trained together they differentiate their styles if only to fight each other more efficiently, but they are perfect physical matches who at least initially have identical styles. Even if their in-combat animations are different, canonically they have identical styles.
And different body types don't mean squat - the Male Wii Fit Trainer is buffer than the FWFT, but you can bet your bottom dollar they will be the same weight, strength, speed, etc.
I realize that canonically they have the same style, I just don't think it means much. But this is mainly based off the assumption that if they add chrom he'll be a lot slower than marth. But if they find a different way to differentiate them I'll be impressed. But it doesn't make any sense for "marth" to be slower than marth. It's far more likely for them to be alts (they have the exact same model/attacks in awakening) but we already went over why that isn't super likely.
The thing is that we have no point of comparison to assume that "Marth" and Marth have the same fighting style; if anything, conversations with Tiki indicate just the opposite
Tiki points out that Lucina's fighting style and her leadership style are very different from that of Marth; she is stronger, less genteel, and every foot her father's daughter, both on the field and off of it
Not to mention that Lucina is hinted to be hideously strong throughout all of her support conversations; she nearly breaks Brady's shoulders giving him a massage, Kjelle (who is basically the Hulk) is absolutely terrified of the idea of getting into a contest of strength with her, Inigo knows very well she would literally chop him to pieces if they ever fought, etc.
All visual indications to the contrary notwithstanding, Lucina is not a "finesse" lord, and has more in common with Ike or Hector than she does with Marth.
I mean, obviously we'll end up seeing how it plays out
But I feel pretty confident about this
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Pic of the day.
Not gonna lie, Marth looks fantastic in this. I'd love to see a side by side comparison of his model vs Brawl's model.
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Okay, looking at this once my initial mild disappointment was done (and it wasn't exactly a surprised disappointment. "Marth" replacing Marth was a longshot. Possible, given she's a bit more popular from all I've seen, but, you know, even if it was possible it'd only be with a lot of character cuts going down. Which the rest of the roster reveals didn't make too likely) there's something of a good sign for democracy's favorite Awakening character.
Most characters get their most recent appearance invoked for their design in Smash. Link's colors are more Twilight Princess, but there's a lot of design cues from Skyward, Samus's suit is from (puttup!) Other M, villager's going hatless, and so on.
Marth's most recent appearance was in Awakening's DLC, where he got a design that, while it draws from his earlier art, goes in a different direction than previous showings.
Instead, Smash Bros went with the Shin Monshō no Nazo design.
The one with the greatest visual difference compared to "Marth"
Look at a side by side. "Marth" has long sleeves. Marth is showing some skin. Marth has brown boots. "Marth" has blue knee highs. On and on and on. Even Falchion looks different.
Not saying it's anything like a guarantee. But if I was looking for a Marth design to let "Marth" look as distinct as possible in a second character slot, this is the one.
Why I fear the ocean.
Or I'm grasping.
But look me in the eyes and tell me you really think it's likely.
I think "Marth" is more likely than Chrom, considering that she's (alright, slight spoiler, but it's pretty obvious) the most popular character in the game by a goodly margin, and it would boost the female character count. Plus, a pic of "Marth" and Marth squaring off in Regna Ferox would set the net on fire for a little bit.
Unless you mean Marth classic is the reskin, in which case, yeah. Not likely.
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Really? He actually seems a bit more buff to me.
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Supporting characters pre-Awakening sometimes have romantic chemistry, yes, but they leave it ambiguous until the epilogue. Maybe they like each other enough to spend the rest of their lives together, maybe they don't. That's the beauty of character writing. In Awakening, every character who has the option to support a character of the opposite gender can marry him or her (I may be wrong). This means that the writers have to accommodate this by writing nonsense to show that the two have a common interest or belief, even though they have little actual chemistry going on. Take the Avatar. He or she can marry every character of the opposite gender. I supported him with Miriel and I am supposed to believe he can marry her some day? Totally implausible. However, the writers are constricted because of this design concept: they have to oblige to this concept by being a matchmaker and let him marry Miriel if given the option. It doesn't help that the Avatar has to converse in generic and vapid dialogue, since you're supposed to be the personification of him or her and he has dozens of love interests. There is also a disproportionate amount of cross gender supports compared to same gender supports, because of the amount of dialogue that has to be written in service of this marriage bullshit.
I called it a bad dating sim, because unlike dating sims, you can't socially interact with characters. You choose a partner, scroll through the bullshit dialogue and have to believe this nonsense.
So I for one would be glad if there are no bullshit characters from Awakening in SSB4, but I have to be realistic that there will be at least one playable character.
Some of us try our best not to spoil things, is all
...I just want someone I can hit in the face with a sword.
Edit: All that any of my friends know about Fire Emblem comes from Smash. Imagine the bewilderment of the casual player when there are two Marths.
"Marth" and Chrom have literally identical fighting styles according to Awakening, so swinging the two of them as alternate versions of the same character would be pretty easy, ala the Wii Fit Trainer
More, they're both on the cover and they're the most popular characters in their game by a huge margin - with "Marth" outranking Chrom - so not seeing the one in the mask at some point just feels unlikely
Nintendo including Roy before his game even released - and when it wasn't released in any territory outside Japan - suggests they're not too afraid about confusion. Hell, Brawl says that all oevr the place for all sorts of games
We're not going to see it immediately, but I would be really surprised if we didn't get both of those characters
Edit:
Also, just for clarity's sake, "Marth" would probably use their actual name
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Identical fighting style to the main Lord, Chrom
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I also found out that Ganondorf is not a very good match against Ike
Sakurai is not such a person. See Mother 3 / Brawl, for instance.
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What about the bit in Arena Ferox where Chrom and Marth square off, and their blows are nearly identical, causing Crom to ask where Marrh learned that fighting style?
Also, I'm thinking this version of adult Link maybe be what he is gonna look for the new Wii U Zelda game. I mean, they used Pit's style in Brawl before they debuted him in Kid Icarus Uprising. This Link just doesn't look like Skyward Sword Link at all.
It's not based on one line; it's based on several conversation, including their own supports, and at least two FMV animations where Chrom and "Marth" animate in exactly the same way
The implication is that after they've trained together they differentiate their styles if only to fight each other more efficiently, but they are perfect physical matches who at least initially have identical styles. Even if their in-combat animations are different, canonically they have identical styles.
And different body types don't mean squat - the Male Wii Fit Trainer is buffer than the FWFT, but you can bet your bottom dollar they will be the same weight, strength, speed, etc.
I realize that canonically they have the same style, I just don't think it means much. But this is mainly based off the assumption that if they add chrom he'll be a lot slower than marth. But if they find a different way to differentiate them I'll be impressed. But it doesn't make any sense for "marth" to be slower than marth. It's far more likely for them to be alts (they have the exact same model/attacks in awakening) but we already went over why that isn't super likely.
The thing is that we have no point of comparison to assume that "Marth" and Marth have the same fighting style; if anything, conversations with Tiki indicate just the opposite
Not to mention that Lucina is hinted to be hideously strong throughout all of her support conversations; she nearly breaks Brady's shoulders giving him a massage, Kjelle (who is basically the Hulk) is absolutely terrified of the idea of getting into a contest of strength with her, Inigo knows very well she would literally chop him to pieces if they ever fought, etc.
All visual indications to the contrary notwithstanding, Lucina is not a "finesse" lord, and has more in common with Ike or Hector than she does with Marth.
I mean, obviously we'll end up seeing how it plays out
But I feel pretty confident about this
Pic of the day.
Not gonna lie, Marth looks fantastic in this. I'd love to see a side by side comparison of his model vs Brawl's model.
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here's what he looked like in brawl, for what its worth