I believe Mike(Gabe) has mentioned that the Surface Pro does not work with Photoshop yet. I'd imagine that will have to happen eventually, but for now that would be a huge sticking point.
Also Wacom have teased that they may be bringing out their own mobile tablet soon.
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Considering the Surface pro has a wacom digitizer in it, I think they are doing ok!
Cool, I didn't know that. It's good to know we won't end up with ten different styli lying around, but I'm still hoping for a bit more competition in the tablet market to put some downward pressure on prices.
From what i've read and watched. It's just shy of whatever good quality Wacom device, and just about on par with most laptop convertable to tablet deals, that when combined equal a sum greater than contributing elements.
So, assume I'm someone who is too lazy to check reviews or navigate away from this page at all
How does the Surface Pro stack up against a dedicated tablet? And is it just a nice way to sketch on the go or could you actually use it as your bread and butter?
Just get a Samsung Slate 7
I use it every day, use every art program from photoshop CS6, Manga Studio 5, Paint Tool Sai, Artrage 4, etc. They all work flawlessly with the thing, has pressure sensitivity, is almost as powerful as a full-fledged computer and you can even use programs like Silo or Maya on it.
The only downside is the somewhat short battery life and not being able to use Flash (the GNU or whatever is too taxing on they system).
Long story short, the slate has been doing what every artist wants a tablet to do for a few years now (full WACOM pen pressure support, ability to handle all sorts of art programs, etc). You don't need to purchase a watered-down version of photoshop or wait for adobe/microsoft to release an app on their microsoft store, you just install it and go.
You buy a Surface Pro, you gotta wait till adobe releases their special version of photoshop with stripped down features. Instead of waiting to play catch-up, just pick up the slate for less money then the Pro costs, install 8 on the thing (I got it installed on mine for free) and just take what you already own and put it on that baby. Main programs I use for the thing is Paint Tool Sai, Artrage Pro Studio or Artrage 4 (new), and I just got Manga Studio 5 which I already love tremendously. And since it's more-or-less an actual computer instead of just a tablet, it's able to handle a lot more then a normal tablet can do.
Worth my dollar.
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So the slate is a tablet you can one to one draw on and use as a normal machine re photoshop and such?
So I scheduled a training session for guidance counselors tomorrow, and was going to do a follow up on Monday to make sure everyone know's what they're doing. I told my boss and he said "Oh good, I'll attend, I need to give you an observation any way." :shock:
So he goes back and then his secretary calls saying he can't make it on Friday, so he'll be coming to the Monday meeting. o_O That's even more difficult, because i'm pretty confident in my ability to teach once, and that being observable is fine, but to be observed on a followup.... I don't know what i'm supposed to do, what if I get they're and they're all "Nope, we got this dawg." Is he going to just be observing me answering the one or two questions? Should I go through the lesson a second time? :?:
Long story short, the slate has been doing what every artist wants a tablet to do for a few years now (full WACOM pen pressure support, ability to handle all sorts of art programs, etc). You don't need to purchase a watered-down version of photoshop or wait for adobe/microsoft to release an app on their microsoft store, you just install it and go.
You buy a Surface Pro, you gotta wait till adobe releases their special version of photoshop with stripped down features. Instead of waiting to play catch-up, just pick up the slate for less money then the Pro costs, install 8 on the thing (I got it installed on mine for free) and just take what you already own and put it on that baby. Main programs I use for the thing is Paint Tool Sai, Artrage Pro Studio or Artrage 4 (new), and I just got Manga Studio 5 which I already love tremendously. And since it's more-or-less an actual computer instead of just a tablet, it's able to handle a lot more then a normal tablet can do.
Worth my dollar.
While, I appreciate that you like your old device with outdated, slow hardware, please don't talk about other devices like you actually know what you're talking about.
EDIT: You know what, you're right! The surface pro is not like an RT: it has pressure sensitivity and is a computer, meaning you can just up-and-install adobe programs on it. No pressure sensitivity on the thing for PS though, so in Gabe's case that was a bit of a dealbreaker, but Sketchbook pro seems to work fine for it. They seem more-or-less even in hardware? I don't have an exact specs sheet for comparison.
I personally would wait it out till the surface fixes that pressure problem with the surface; not sure if it would carry over with other software like manga studio or sai but it woldn't be too much of a stretch.
I'd just get the slate 7 cause it's been proven to work so there aren't any surprises, and it's definitely cheaper than the Surface Pro at this point so that could go a long way for the penny pushers out there.
Kickstand in the back for the Surface Pro though? That's pretty boss; wish the slate had that.
My fav is when I can get my kiss on with other dudes.
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Trying to do some gesture practice with posemaniacs and these poses and angles are mostly terrible and over-repeated. I get that the idea is to be out of your comfort zone but a lot of the angles on here are just "LOOK AT THIS FOOT, NOTHING ELSE IN VIEW" which is strange.
Ever since I started seeing gifs used more and more by artists like Zac Gorman I've been wanting to see it pushed into a longer format.
I'm not sure what to think of it. One of the biggest appeals to comics for me is that it's a medium creating movement out of something entirely incapable of moving and so gif comics are a bit of a bastardization to me really.
I think the animation is more of a distraction than anything. I'd keep it as a comic or go the full-blown animation route.
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I'm not against the gifs in comics but I usually feel like they are better when used for specific emphasis, rather than something in every frame. It's a good tool when used properly (seldom?).
Yeah I was just thinking that Meredith starting using them and they've been a nice touch. I especially like gifs for environmental effects like rain or fire, but keeping the people, or subject matter, static.
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To be fair, they probably gave launch orders ten minutes before the release, but since everything is hand carried by emaciated couriers it can take up to 48 hours for notice to reach the launch base.
RE: Animated gif comics
In concept, I've got no problem with animated .gifs in webcomics as long as they don't make the whole thing a distracting, hard to read mess- it's nice to see people taking advantage of the possibilities of the medium when presented on the web, rather than feeling overly confined to how things work in print. (Certainly Homestuck is testament to how successful that can be.)
On the other hand, if I were making a webcomic myself, I'd really want to make sure that the animation wasn't completely essential to the readability of the story since I assume that selling books is a decent portion of most successful comics' revenue, and having to redraw and/or reformat significant portions of a comic to be readable in print seems like a pain in the ass/poor use of time.
(I don't know how Homestuck handles those problems when it goes to print...turning the videos and game sections into flipbooks and board games?)
Yeah, for the most part those Thunderpaw comics remind me of 90's personal webpages where the designers decided everything must be gifs. Or those Power Rangers cards with the lenticular prints that made it look like they were all backflipping back and forth.
Even Homestuck keeps the animation down to a relative minimum - not every panel has to meet some "spastic animation" quota - and the comic is always one panel at a time anyway, so you don't get a bunch of shit crawling all over the screen in all different directions with varying speeds and ruining the focus.
I feel like, if you're going to do a comic like Thunderpaw, where every panel is going to have an animation, you need to do it one panel at a time. You give the viewer the control to read at their own pace, and just move them through the panel beats when they click. It'd be like an animated-film-meets-comic hybrid.
Quote from da vinci to keep my nose to the grindstone drawing stuff "... for there can be no mind so inept, that after devoting itself to one single thing and doing it constantly, it should fail to do it well."
Also I found this interesting. Another da vinci quote "The youth should first learn perspective, then the proportions of objects... Among all the studies of natural causes and reasons Light chiefly delights the beholder; and among the great features of Mathematics the certainty of its demonstrations is what preeminently (tends to) elevate the mind of the investigator. Perspective, therefore, must be preferred to all the discourses and systems of human learning."
Perspective is first on his things to learn. I may devote more of my time to this after I'm done with my 100 heads (after I'm done with my current assignment :P)
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Also Wacom have teased that they may be bringing out their own mobile tablet soon.
Cool, I didn't know that. It's good to know we won't end up with ten different styli lying around, but I'm still hoping for a bit more competition in the tablet market to put some downward pressure on prices.
Just get a Samsung Slate 7
I use it every day, use every art program from photoshop CS6, Manga Studio 5, Paint Tool Sai, Artrage 4, etc. They all work flawlessly with the thing, has pressure sensitivity, is almost as powerful as a full-fledged computer and you can even use programs like Silo or Maya on it.
The only downside is the somewhat short battery life and not being able to use Flash (the GNU or whatever is too taxing on they system).
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You buy a Surface Pro, you gotta wait till adobe releases their special version of photoshop with stripped down features. Instead of waiting to play catch-up, just pick up the slate for less money then the Pro costs, install 8 on the thing (I got it installed on mine for free) and just take what you already own and put it on that baby. Main programs I use for the thing is Paint Tool Sai, Artrage Pro Studio or Artrage 4 (new), and I just got Manga Studio 5 which I already love tremendously. And since it's more-or-less an actual computer instead of just a tablet, it's able to handle a lot more then a normal tablet can do.
Worth my dollar.
Dang.
when i get home im gonna finally buy this:
So he goes back and then his secretary calls saying he can't make it on Friday, so he'll be coming to the Monday meeting. o_O That's even more difficult, because i'm pretty confident in my ability to teach once, and that being observable is fine, but to be observed on a followup.... I don't know what i'm supposed to do, what if I get they're and they're all "Nope, we got this dawg." Is he going to just be observing me answering the one or two questions? Should I go through the lesson a second time? :?:
While, I appreciate that you like your old device with outdated, slow hardware, please don't talk about other devices like you actually know what you're talking about.
EDIT: You know what, you're right! The surface pro is not like an RT: it has pressure sensitivity and is a computer, meaning you can just up-and-install adobe programs on it. No pressure sensitivity on the thing for PS though, so in Gabe's case that was a bit of a dealbreaker, but Sketchbook pro seems to work fine for it. They seem more-or-less even in hardware? I don't have an exact specs sheet for comparison.
I personally would wait it out till the surface fixes that pressure problem with the surface; not sure if it would carry over with other software like manga studio or sai but it woldn't be too much of a stretch.
I'd just get the slate 7 cause it's been proven to work so there aren't any surprises, and it's definitely cheaper than the Surface Pro at this point so that could go a long way for the penny pushers out there.
Kickstand in the back for the Surface Pro though? That's pretty boss; wish the slate had that.
DOUBLE EDIT: Sweet, comparison chart thingy! http://tablets.techcrunch.com/compare/132-139/Microsoft-Surface-Pro-vs-Samsung-Series-7-11-6-Slate
and no wonder Crappycat looks sad, somebody named it bloody "crappycat".
Let's give each other massages.
crappycat has had a rough day
Ever since I started seeing gifs used more and more by artists like Zac Gorman I've been wanting to see it pushed into a longer format.
I think Zac Gorman's comics are a great example of 'less is more' with the animated panels.
Also stuff like this:
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Change CIA to Party and yeah, that's pretty much literally true.
Quick, suggest me some emotions and I shall channel them through my pen!
Anger over Simcity
Serenity in being surrounded by every possible type of cupcake
Envy of the person with said cupcakes.
In concept, I've got no problem with animated .gifs in webcomics as long as they don't make the whole thing a distracting, hard to read mess- it's nice to see people taking advantage of the possibilities of the medium when presented on the web, rather than feeling overly confined to how things work in print. (Certainly Homestuck is testament to how successful that can be.)
On the other hand, if I were making a webcomic myself, I'd really want to make sure that the animation wasn't completely essential to the readability of the story since I assume that selling books is a decent portion of most successful comics' revenue, and having to redraw and/or reformat significant portions of a comic to be readable in print seems like a pain in the ass/poor use of time.
(I don't know how Homestuck handles those problems when it goes to print...turning the videos and game sections into flipbooks and board games?)
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Even Homestuck keeps the animation down to a relative minimum - not every panel has to meet some "spastic animation" quota - and the comic is always one panel at a time anyway, so you don't get a bunch of shit crawling all over the screen in all different directions with varying speeds and ruining the focus.
I feel like, if you're going to do a comic like Thunderpaw, where every panel is going to have an animation, you need to do it one panel at a time. You give the viewer the control to read at their own pace, and just move them through the panel beats when they click. It'd be like an animated-film-meets-comic hybrid.
Also I found this interesting. Another da vinci quote "The youth should first learn perspective, then the proportions of objects... Among all the studies of natural causes and reasons Light chiefly delights the beholder; and among the great features of Mathematics the certainty of its demonstrations is what preeminently (tends to) elevate the mind of the investigator. Perspective, therefore, must be preferred to all the discourses and systems of human learning."
Perspective is first on his things to learn. I may devote more of my time to this after I'm done with my 100 heads (after I'm done with my current assignment :P)