I'm way late to the party on this one but several pages ago I think Magell said ROH dropped the ball by not having Lethal win the title against Steen. Gotta disagree there, I don't think their fanbase wasn't crazy about him potentially being champ. Jay Briscoe was the better choice in this scenario. The title picture will be very interesting in the coming months I'll say that.
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Overall, I enjoyed the show. Cena/Rock definitely blew (they had a better match last year, and last year's was bad too), and we didn't need 3 long video packages to build to it. We already bought your show, you can quit selling it now. Ryback/Henry was also bad, but I wasn't expecting much. The rest of the night, there were some good solid matches.
That said, it didn't feel like a Wrestlemania. But then, given how the last two Wrestlemanias have been, that might be a positive.
Yeah everything just seemed low key last night. Other than the Rock/Cena packages there was no backstage stuff or anything like that but it was refreshing to see the focus on the actual in ring work.
I'm way late to the party on this one but several pages ago I think Magell said ROH dropped the ball by not having Lethal win the title against Steen. Gotta disagree there, I don't think their fanbase wasn't crazy about him potentially being champ. Jay Briscoe was the better choice in this scenario. The title picture will be very interesting in the coming months I'll say that.
I would never say that. Lethal is good, but he's not World Champ good. I think RoH dropping the ball was not putting the belt on Elgin when he was super over, relatively new in the main event scene and something everybody wanted to happen. Although I think Jay winning is something people are really happy happened, they just never really considered it a think that would happen. DAY ONE!
I'm way late to the party on this one but several pages ago I think Magell said ROH dropped the ball by not having Lethal win the title against Steen. Gotta disagree there, I don't think their fanbase wasn't crazy about him potentially being champ. Jay Briscoe was the better choice in this scenario. The title picture will be very interesting in the coming months I'll say that.
I would never say that. Lethal is good, but he's not World Champ good. I think RoH dropping the ball was not putting the belt on Elgin when he was super over, relatively new in the main event scene and something everybody wanted to happen. Although I think Jay winning is something people are really happy happened, they just never really considered it a think that would happen. DAY ONE!
The window is still open for Elgin to win the title and still be fresh unlike what happened with Black, Richards, and to a lesser extent Nigel. The fanbase didn't really consider him a potential World title holder till his match with Davey last year. But if it doesn't happen by Final Battle it'll be too late. And it's worrisome he already has another title opportunity that'll most likely happen at Best in the World in June, he loses that and that's 3 straight times he's chocked on trying to get the title.
OK just saw the finish, yeah it was a botch but I didn't think it distracted from the overall match. I'm just glad they actually had a new guy cleanly defeat an established guy like in the opener.
The commentators do a very impressive job covering the end of the match.
What exactly don't you like about the side plates? I think it's kinda neat that whomever is champ can customize the belt to his liking. Plus, you know, it means they can sell that version of the title. So I'm expecting more than a few title changes this year.
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i like the idea of the sideplates, don't get me wrong
i love that the new belt looks like a title and isn't a vanity design like the spinner belt was while still having those parts that can be customized to make it feel like it really belongs to the champ
it's the U CAN'T SEE ME sideplates that bother me
you know what would actually be better because it would be hilariously dumb?
Sweeney you're probably better off with just watching Impact,
Monster!
Honestly I can see people preferring Impact if only because they have only 2 hours of content to fill a week and not 6, not counting SMS. Plus only 4 live PPVs now so less money to spend.
Plus they have Samoa Joe
I mean they don't know how to use him at all, but dude's still a fucking hulking mass of mancandy and talent
i like the idea of the sideplates, don't get me wrong
i love that the new belt looks like a title and isn't a vanity design like the spinner belt was while still having those parts that can be customized to make it feel like it really belongs to the champ
it's the U CAN'T SEE ME sideplates that bother me
you know what would actually be better because it would be hilariously dumb?
mini-spinners
Oh you just hate Cena's plates, got it. Wonder what other guys would use?
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What exactly don't you like about the side plates? I think it's kinda neat that whomever is champ can customize the belt to his liking. Plus, you know, it means they can sell that version of the title. So I'm expecting more than a few title changes this year.
They should just let you put whoever you want in there if you buy the full replica.
I want a Mason Ryan combover silhouette belt.
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can i just say that the fake diamond shit notwithstanding i love the design of the new title
it doesn't look like a gaudy piece of shit like the spinnerbelt did
it looks like an actual title strap
and the sideplates are a nice way to balance out the need to keep one design for a long time with making possession feel more personal
also why can't cena go back to having RUTHLESS AGGRESSION as a gimmick
holy shit i love his first appearance
that owned
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when ricardo rodriguez wins the title the sideplates will be bowties
Bride of Dynamo counters with "The Miz's sideplates would just be instructions on how to properly execute a Figure Four, so he could look before the match and maybe get it right."
I’d like to think I’m not the embodiment or manifestation of a typical Internet wrestling fan. The types of fans that feel they’re completely ignored by World Wrestling Entertainment, the types of fans that pack most of the Wrestlemania and other major pay-per-view crowds. You know: the types of fans that wonder why Antonio Cesaro & Daniel Bryan aren’t pushed. I honestly didn’t really know much about those guys as, over the year, it’s been consistently more difficult for me to follow the independent scene.
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I also grew up going to NWA shows and followed ECW on television through my teens, even attending their penultimate pay per view. Into my early adulthood, I paid my own way to attend Wrestlemania X-Seven, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV and, most recently, XXVII. Not to mention the countless Armageddon, Money in the Bank, Hell in a Cell, Summerslam, Royal Rumble, RAW, Smackdown, ECW and NXT events I’ve attended. Needless to say, my favorite form of sports and entertainment is professional wrestling.
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Although I’d like to think I’m not the embodiment or manifestation of a typical Internet wrestling fan, I share in the absolute dismay and heavy criticism about last night’s pay-per-view offering from WWE, Wrestlemania 29. I should digress here and say I enjoyed the show and had a small gathering at my home. However, the ending of the show left me wondering – for the first time – if I should even continue supporting WWE’s current stale, product and either explore other forms of pro-wrestling entertainment (there’s only one other that’s broadcast nationally) or find another program or form of entertainment to invest in mentally and financially.
Over the years, I’ve read countless stories about the absolute refusal of WWE’s creative brain trust to augment or change the character of John Cena. I’ve read claims that the company is so overprotective of a character directed at a demographic 20 years my junior that they’ve refunded customers whose children were upset at a loss or have gone out of their way to financially reimburse parental units of children who don’t understand the product is scripted.
I cannot understand how WWE officials and announcers claim Cena receives a “mixed reaction” yet was jeered by 90% of MetLife stadium yesterday evening. I do not know why WWE wastes its time on the temporary cash cow of people they aren’t even sure will be wrestling/sports entertainment fans 5 or 10 years from now. You’re reading a letter from a male in his mid 30’s, there’s little chance that I just “started watching” the product.
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"Hulk Hogan's character didn't even [stay] this stale this long" bullshit
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This just makes me want E/AJ/Ziggler to have the tag titles, the Divas title and the World title even more.
I kinda agree with it. The attitude era started with the brothers of destruction and a legacy should close with the brothers quarrel.
Wrestling in the real world always looks carnier than normal
That's because it is carny as hell? Why do you care, though?
Between Taker and Cena, who is the monster of all heels?
Or did you misread that?
See above re how it looks twice as carny
Also the new side plates on the belt are awful
That said, it didn't feel like a Wrestlemania. But then, given how the last two Wrestlemanias have been, that might be a positive.
I would never say that. Lethal is good, but he's not World Champ good. I think RoH dropping the ball was not putting the belt on Elgin when he was super over, relatively new in the main event scene and something everybody wanted to happen. Although I think Jay winning is something people are really happy happened, they just never really considered it a think that would happen. DAY ONE!
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i didn't say i did
i said it bugged me that it felt supercarny as opposed to just carny
but i've also got hella problems with being too self-conscious at times so
and then it dawned on me
who better to play a fake luchador
than the world's greatest fake luchador
el generico juan cena numero uno
The window is still open for Elgin to win the title and still be fresh unlike what happened with Black, Richards, and to a lesser extent Nigel. The fanbase didn't really consider him a potential World title holder till his match with Davey last year. But if it doesn't happen by Final Battle it'll be too late. And it's worrisome he already has another title opportunity that'll most likely happen at Best in the World in June, he loses that and that's 3 straight times he's chocked on trying to get the title.
The commentators do a very impressive job covering the end of the match.
I made a game, it has penguins in it. It's pay what you like on Gumroad.
Currently Ebaying Nothing at all but I might do in the future.
13 years later, all but one of them are still wrestling at Mania, and the one who isn't was inducted into the HOF
Steam
they had a t-shirt with "the champ is here" and an arrow pointing at a belt design on sale last night after the match
dear god those sideplates suck
also i changed my mind: have el generico as juan cena, john's evil twin
do it wwe do it
take all my money
i love that the new belt looks like a title and isn't a vanity design like the spinner belt was while still having those parts that can be customized to make it feel like it really belongs to the champ
it's the U CAN'T SEE ME sideplates that bother me
you know what would actually be better because it would be hilariously dumb?
mini-spinners
The thing about Joe is...
The thing to remember about Joe is...
he's fat.
Oh you just hate Cena's plates, got it. Wonder what other guys would use?
That's actually what I joked with my friend right after he won. Its really the best choice.
They should just let you put whoever you want in there if you buy the full replica.
I want a Mason Ryan combover silhouette belt.
it doesn't look like a gaudy piece of shit like the spinnerbelt did
it looks like an actual title strap
and the sideplates are a nice way to balance out the need to keep one design for a long time with making possession feel more personal
also why can't cena go back to having RUTHLESS AGGRESSION as a gimmick
holy shit i love his first appearance
that owned
The Miz's will be a lovingly rendered carving of The Miz, jerking it furiously to a 1984 photo of Ric Flair.
Steam
Only if the match ends in a time limit draw and both mysteriously disappear forever.
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"Hulk Hogan's character didn't even [stay] this stale this long" bullshit
Steam