I thought the Rumor was that if Taker had any say on his final mania match it would have been against Kane.
I kinda agree with it. The attitude era started with the brothers of destruction and a legacy should close with the brothers quarrel.
Only if the match ends in a time limit draw and both mysteriously disappear forever.
A good majority of people suggesting how Taker should retire revolves somewhere around this idea, and I think it'd be awesome. One more epic match against whomever (I'd like Taker/Kane too), then poof. Maybe just the Urn sitting in the middle of a dark ring with a single spotlight on it. The bell tolls (Maybe Kane's pyro hits one last time if it's his last too), PPV fades to black. I'd be okay with that.
I thought the Rumor was that if Taker had any say on his final mania match it would have been against Kane.
I kinda agree with it. The attitude era started with the brothers of destruction and a legacy should close with the brothers quarrel.
Only if the match ends in a time limit draw and both mysteriously disappear forever.
A good majority of people suggesting how Taker should retire revolves somewhere around this idea, and I think it'd be awesome. One more epic match against whomever (I'd like Taker/Kane too), then poof. Maybe just the Urn sitting in the middle of a dark ring with a single spotlight on it. The bell tolls (Maybe Kane's pyro hits one last time if it's his last too), PPV fades to black. I'd be okay with that.
What happens when they induct him in the Hall of Fame?
I thought the Rumor was that if Taker had any say on his final mania match it would have been against Kane.
I kinda agree with it. The attitude era started with the brothers of destruction and a legacy should close with the brothers quarrel.
Only if the match ends in a time limit draw and both mysteriously disappear forever.
A good majority of people suggesting how Taker should retire revolves somewhere around this idea, and I think it'd be awesome. One more epic match against whomever (I'd like Taker/Kane too), then poof. Maybe just the Urn sitting in the middle of a dark ring with a single spotlight on it. The bell tolls (Maybe Kane's pyro hits one last time if it's his last too), PPV fades to black. I'd be okay with that.
What happens when they induct him in the Hall of Fame?
"Just kidding guys, I'm not really gone forever."
How many times has Undertaker 'died'? In a sense that half of the clips I've ever seen of him are him coming out of a casket that had just been hit by lightning/burned to a crisp. His whole bit is death and ressurection. One appearance at a HoF induction (which could possibly happen before he retires fully from the E) wouldn't ruin it I don't think.
I’d like to think I’m not the embodiment or manifestation of a typical Internet wrestling fan. The types of fans that feel they’re completely ignored by World Wrestling Entertainment, the types of fans that pack most of the Wrestlemania and other major pay-per-view crowds. You know: the types of fans that wonder why Antonio Cesaro & Daniel Bryan aren’t pushed. I honestly didn’t really know much about those guys as, over the year, it’s been consistently more difficult for me to follow the independent scene.
I’m a 35 year old married male with a child on the way who owns a small home in suburbia, Anytown USA. I’m a regional account manager for a publishing firm. I like to woodwork, I play fantasy football and I have a German shepherd. I lead a pretty simple, average American life. I’ve also been a lifelong WWE fan. Not just one who watches on TV and doesn’t contribute financially to the company, either. My father was a traveling sportswear salesman in the 70’s and 80’s and I was fortunate and blessed enough to attend Wrestlemania IV, V, VII, X, XII and XV with my siblings.
I also grew up going to NWA shows and followed ECW on television through my teens, even attending their penultimate pay per view. Into my early adulthood, I paid my own way to attend Wrestlemania X-Seven, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV and, most recently, XXVII. Not to mention the countless Armageddon, Money in the Bank, Hell in a Cell, Summerslam, Royal Rumble, RAW, Smackdown, ECW and NXT events I’ve attended. Needless to say, my favorite form of sports and entertainment is professional wrestling.
An avid MLB and NFL fan to boot, I don’t spend nearly as much time and money on those forms of entertainment as I do with wrestling. Over the past 5 or 6 years, life has brought on all sorts of more responsibilities keeping me from exploring the other non-televised realm of pro-wrestling in America yet I still remain a loyal fan of WWE. I spend thousands of dollars a year on PPVs, live events and merchandise.
Although I’d like to think I’m not the embodiment or manifestation of a typical Internet wrestling fan, I share in the absolute dismay and heavy criticism about last night’s pay-per-view offering from WWE, Wrestlemania 29. I should digress here and say I enjoyed the show and had a small gathering at my home. However, the ending of the show left me wondering – for the first time – if I should even continue supporting WWE’s current stale, product and either explore other forms of pro-wrestling entertainment (there’s only one other that’s broadcast nationally) or find another program or form of entertainment to invest in mentally and financially.
Over the years, I’ve read countless stories about the absolute refusal of WWE’s creative brain trust to augment or change the character of John Cena. I’ve read claims that the company is so overprotective of a character directed at a demographic 20 years my junior that they’ve refunded customers whose children were upset at a loss or have gone out of their way to financially reimburse parental units of children who don’t understand the product is scripted.
I cannot understand how WWE officials and announcers claim Cena receives a “mixed reaction” yet was jeered by 90% of MetLife stadium yesterday evening. I do not know why WWE wastes its time on the temporary cash cow of people they aren’t even sure will be wrestling/sports entertainment fans 5 or 10 years from now. You’re reading a letter from a male in his mid 30’s, there’s little chance that I just “started watching” the product.
Yet WWE’s continued ignorance toward a much more loyal demographic leads me to believe you don’t want me watching your product. I’m not clamoring from a mountain top to turn Cena heel but I’m wondering if you, at all, listen to your core audience. Change him up a little, make him a little more than one-dimensional, add something new to him, hell change his theme music. I’m so sick of the character that if you turned him heel, I’d buy front row tickets to your next 5 Wrestlemania offerings. Your core audience aren’t the parents of children who buy so much Cena merchandise that they can’t afford to attend or even watch a PPV, your core audience are those of us who have stuck with the product no matter what.
I've stuck with you through the post-Attitude Era downturn, through the Chris Benoit tragedy, through the mainstream onset of MMA. I feel a kinship and a brotherhood with every one over the age of 18 who is upset and sick of your product. I find myself not wanting to spend another dime on anything WWE-related until things change. This includes elevating stars to the same level as Cena, rethinking your business strategy about where “PG era” has taken you or changing Cena’s character into a more realistic human being and not a Superman who somehow ignores the jeers and cat calls of WWE’s devotees at their biggest event of the year.
Your website claims you don’t take suggestions for storylines yet I’ve seen the comments on your website and the actions of fans at your shows: you bend over backwards when your 8-14 year old demographic is upset yet completely ignore your older, more devoted demographic because you simply think we’ll “keep watching and complaining.” With a child on the way, I’m not so sure I’d expose him or her to John Cena as he is not a realistic role model at all.
In fact, I’d do my best to sit them down at the proper age and explain the ins and outs of pro-wrestling and how John Cena has become an irritating, unrealistic, unflappable parody of what professional wrestling should not represent. Hulk Hogan’s character didn’t even this stale this long.
Obviously your company has chosen to cast me off as another “Internet darling” who “won’t be satisfied until Daniel Bryan is pushed as far as John Cena” but this notion, perpetrated by many Cena supports on the Internet, is completely false. I’m someone who was even a former stockholder in your company until I could plainly see that you no longer listen to anyone old enough to purchase alcohol, carry a driver’s license or vote in a U.S. election. I’m not even asking for a $70 refund, I’m simply asking you and your creative team to stop and listen to the fans. You can get an 8 year old kid to cheer for Damien Sandow if you tried hard enough, don’t worry about “losing merchandise money.” Worry about those you are completely turning off from your product.
Until this letter is addressed by an official from WWE, I absolutely refuse to purchase any further PPVs, live event tickets, merchandise, DVDs or anything else the WWE is selling. I know that a thousand dollars or so is a drop in the bucket to a multi-billion dollar company, but maybe others should follow suit. Maybe if things don’t change with your writing and creative team and development of characters, the next step is a boycott. I don’t know.
All I know is that I’m frustrated, annoyed and completely turned off from continuing my 30+ years as a devoted, loyal-no-matter-what WWE fan.
"Hulk Hogan's character didn't even [stay] this stale this long" bullshit
hogan is a weird comparison to make here
like yes he did the super babyface thing waaaaaaay too long
but when it started wrestling wasn't a weekly thing on tv nationwide. you didn't see the hulkster squashing a dude all the time. there wasn't the same level of exposure there is now, you could get away with that shit
so yes hogan absolutely is/was stale and absolutely overstayed his welcome with the superface thing
but i think comparing him to cena is comparing granny smiths to red delicious (close but not close enough for me to totally agree with it)
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As a heel. And that's the important thing. He's awful on the mic as a face, and he really doesn't have the kind of offense that makes for a good face. Everything about him screams heel.
According to wrestlingobserver.com, there is panic backstage at Raw right now. The show was scheduled to build to a segment where Brock Lesnar beat up Rock to set up next year's WrestleMania main event. The problem: Rock is not there and has reportedly gone home. Vince McMahon, the writers and producers are in the process of redoing the show, evidently believing the angle has been nixed. Nobody knows any details as to what happened past that. As of this time, the belief is that Rock is not appearing.
Also, there is a second major angle tonight to set up the main feud going forward and the Extreme Rules main event involving John Cena's next title defense. Word is that it is one of the things that has been planned for some time and was actually scheduled before Mania.
I thought the Rumor was that if Taker had any say on his final mania match it would have been against Kane.
I kinda agree with it. The attitude era started with the brothers of destruction and a legacy should close with the brothers quarrel.
Only if the match ends in a time limit draw and both mysteriously disappear forever.
A good majority of people suggesting how Taker should retire revolves somewhere around this idea, and I think it'd be awesome. One more epic match against whomever (I'd like Taker/Kane too), then poof. Maybe just the Urn sitting in the middle of a dark ring with a single spotlight on it. The bell tolls (Maybe Kane's pyro hits one last time if it's his last too), PPV fades to black. I'd be okay with that.
What happens when they induct him in the Hall of Fame?
"Just kidding guys, I'm not really gone forever."
My guess is they'd get around it by saying "We're inducting Mark Calloway, the guy who played the Undertaker for 20 years"
What I want to know is, did he leave deliberately in a "fuck this, I don't wanna do it" moment, or did they just forget to tell him "hey, man, can you stick around for Raw tonight because we were going to script you in a segment", and then scripted Raw assuming he'd be there? I'd be leaning towards the latter, if only because it shows a hilarious level of incompetence.
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PWInsider is also reporting the same story as the Wrestling Observer -- that the Rock is not at RAW tonight and WWE is trying to re-write major portions of the show.
They report that The Rock left for Los Angeles this morning, catching WWE completely off guard. There is major heat on him for leaving. This is not part of an angle, as Rock had been worked into WWE's future plans and was scheduled to be part of a major angle tonight to setup a program with Brock Lesnar or the Undertaker (more likely Lesnar) for WrestleMania 30. All those plans have now been thrown out.
Latest update from PWInsider: the show was supposed to open with
Brock attacking Rock
, obviously that isn't happening, they have 3 hours to write a new opening, in addition to re-writing the whole show, and one person backstage described the scene as "chaos".
Wasn't Rock supposed to be at Extreme Rules, too? I wonder what they were planning/what they'll change it to.
Also if he really went home because he had to put someone over when he's been back for two years and has been put over by everyone...wow. I really hope there's more to it than that.
I bought Shimmer 53 and am watching it now, just talking a break to mention how ludicrously fucking excited I am for Jessicka Havok finally being on the Shimmer roster even if it does mean I have to watch an Alison Danger match.
I’d like to think I’m not the embodiment or manifestation of a typical Internet wrestling fan. The types of fans that feel they’re completely ignored by World Wrestling Entertainment, the types of fans that pack most of the Wrestlemania and other major pay-per-view crowds. You know: the types of fans that wonder why Antonio Cesaro & Daniel Bryan aren’t pushed. I honestly didn’t really know much about those guys as, over the year, it’s been consistently more difficult for me to follow the independent scene.
I’m a 35 year old married male with a child on the way who owns a small home in suburbia, Anytown USA. I’m a regional account manager for a publishing firm. I like to woodwork, I play fantasy football and I have a German shepherd. I lead a pretty simple, average American life. I’ve also been a lifelong WWE fan. Not just one who watches on TV and doesn’t contribute financially to the company, either. My father was a traveling sportswear salesman in the 70’s and 80’s and I was fortunate and blessed enough to attend Wrestlemania IV, V, VII, X, XII and XV with my siblings.
I also grew up going to NWA shows and followed ECW on television through my teens, even attending their penultimate pay per view. Into my early adulthood, I paid my own way to attend Wrestlemania X-Seven, XX, XXI, XXII, XXIII, XXIV and, most recently, XXVII. Not to mention the countless Armageddon, Money in the Bank, Hell in a Cell, Summerslam, Royal Rumble, RAW, Smackdown, ECW and NXT events I’ve attended. Needless to say, my favorite form of sports and entertainment is professional wrestling.
An avid MLB and NFL fan to boot, I don’t spend nearly as much time and money on those forms of entertainment as I do with wrestling. Over the past 5 or 6 years, life has brought on all sorts of more responsibilities keeping me from exploring the other non-televised realm of pro-wrestling in America yet I still remain a loyal fan of WWE. I spend thousands of dollars a year on PPVs, live events and merchandise.
Although I’d like to think I’m not the embodiment or manifestation of a typical Internet wrestling fan, I share in the absolute dismay and heavy criticism about last night’s pay-per-view offering from WWE, Wrestlemania 29. I should digress here and say I enjoyed the show and had a small gathering at my home. However, the ending of the show left me wondering – for the first time – if I should even continue supporting WWE’s current stale, product and either explore other forms of pro-wrestling entertainment (there’s only one other that’s broadcast nationally) or find another program or form of entertainment to invest in mentally and financially.
Over the years, I’ve read countless stories about the absolute refusal of WWE’s creative brain trust to augment or change the character of John Cena. I’ve read claims that the company is so overprotective of a character directed at a demographic 20 years my junior that they’ve refunded customers whose children were upset at a loss or have gone out of their way to financially reimburse parental units of children who don’t understand the product is scripted.
I cannot understand how WWE officials and announcers claim Cena receives a “mixed reaction” yet was jeered by 90% of MetLife stadium yesterday evening. I do not know why WWE wastes its time on the temporary cash cow of people they aren’t even sure will be wrestling/sports entertainment fans 5 or 10 years from now. You’re reading a letter from a male in his mid 30’s, there’s little chance that I just “started watching” the product.
Yet WWE’s continued ignorance toward a much more loyal demographic leads me to believe you don’t want me watching your product. I’m not clamoring from a mountain top to turn Cena heel but I’m wondering if you, at all, listen to your core audience. Change him up a little, make him a little more than one-dimensional, add something new to him, hell change his theme music. I’m so sick of the character that if you turned him heel, I’d buy front row tickets to your next 5 Wrestlemania offerings. Your core audience aren’t the parents of children who buy so much Cena merchandise that they can’t afford to attend or even watch a PPV, your core audience are those of us who have stuck with the product no matter what.
I've stuck with you through the post-Attitude Era downturn, through the Chris Benoit tragedy, through the mainstream onset of MMA. I feel a kinship and a brotherhood with every one over the age of 18 who is upset and sick of your product. I find myself not wanting to spend another dime on anything WWE-related until things change. This includes elevating stars to the same level as Cena, rethinking your business strategy about where “PG era” has taken you or changing Cena’s character into a more realistic human being and not a Superman who somehow ignores the jeers and cat calls of WWE’s devotees at their biggest event of the year.
Your website claims you don’t take suggestions for storylines yet I’ve seen the comments on your website and the actions of fans at your shows: you bend over backwards when your 8-14 year old demographic is upset yet completely ignore your older, more devoted demographic because you simply think we’ll “keep watching and complaining.” With a child on the way, I’m not so sure I’d expose him or her to John Cena as he is not a realistic role model at all.
In fact, I’d do my best to sit them down at the proper age and explain the ins and outs of pro-wrestling and how John Cena has become an irritating, unrealistic, unflappable parody of what professional wrestling should not represent. Hulk Hogan’s character didn’t even this stale this long.
Obviously your company has chosen to cast me off as another “Internet darling” who “won’t be satisfied until Daniel Bryan is pushed as far as John Cena” but this notion, perpetrated by many Cena supports on the Internet, is completely false. I’m someone who was even a former stockholder in your company until I could plainly see that you no longer listen to anyone old enough to purchase alcohol, carry a driver’s license or vote in a U.S. election. I’m not even asking for a $70 refund, I’m simply asking you and your creative team to stop and listen to the fans. You can get an 8 year old kid to cheer for Damien Sandow if you tried hard enough, don’t worry about “losing merchandise money.” Worry about those you are completely turning off from your product.
Until this letter is addressed by an official from WWE, I absolutely refuse to purchase any further PPVs, live event tickets, merchandise, DVDs or anything else the WWE is selling. I know that a thousand dollars or so is a drop in the bucket to a multi-billion dollar company, but maybe others should follow suit. Maybe if things don’t change with your writing and creative team and development of characters, the next step is a boycott. I don’t know.
All I know is that I’m frustrated, annoyed and completely turned off from continuing my 30+ years as a devoted, loyal-no-matter-what WWE fan.
"Hulk Hogan's character didn't even [stay] this stale this long" bullshit
Holy shit that's like one of those Facebook posts you see where the guy writes 1,500 words to say in explicit detail how he's seriously, totally over the girlfriend that dumped him six months ago.
Of course, after Hogan "passed the torch", Rock actually left WWE like two weeks later for movie shooting, and only returned for the build to Rock-Brock, after which he stopped being a full-time wrestler, while Hogan somehow hung around off-and-on up until after Mania 19 and the Mr. America abortion.
Here's hoping this latest passing of the torch works out just as well!
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A good majority of people suggesting how Taker should retire revolves somewhere around this idea, and I think it'd be awesome. One more epic match against whomever (I'd like Taker/Kane too), then poof. Maybe just the Urn sitting in the middle of a dark ring with a single spotlight on it. The bell tolls (Maybe Kane's pyro hits one last time if it's his last too), PPV fades to black. I'd be okay with that.
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What happens when they induct him in the Hall of Fame?
"Just kidding guys, I'm not really gone forever."
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How many times has Undertaker 'died'? In a sense that half of the clips I've ever seen of him are him coming out of a casket that had just been hit by lightning/burned to a crisp. His whole bit is death and ressurection. One appearance at a HoF induction (which could possibly happen before he retires fully from the E) wouldn't ruin it I don't think.
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hogan is a weird comparison to make here
like yes he did the super babyface thing waaaaaaay too long
but when it started wrestling wasn't a weekly thing on tv nationwide. you didn't see the hulkster squashing a dude all the time. there wasn't the same level of exposure there is now, you could get away with that shit
so yes hogan absolutely is/was stale and absolutely overstayed his welcome with the superface thing
but i think comparing him to cena is comparing granny smiths to red delicious (close but not close enough for me to totally agree with it)
As a heel. And that's the important thing. He's awful on the mic as a face, and he really doesn't have the kind of offense that makes for a good face. Everything about him screams heel.
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Also, there is a second major angle tonight to set up the main feud going forward and the Extreme Rules main event involving John Cena's next title defense. Word is that it is one of the things that has been planned for some time and was actually scheduled before Mania.
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This spoiler is hilarious.
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My guess is they'd get around it by saying "We're inducting Mark Calloway, the guy who played the Undertaker for 20 years"
They report that The Rock left for Los Angeles this morning, catching WWE completely off guard. There is major heat on him for leaving. This is not part of an angle, as Rock had been worked into WWE's future plans and was scheduled to be part of a major angle tonight to setup a program with Brock Lesnar or the Undertaker (more likely Lesnar) for WrestleMania 30. All those plans have now been thrown out.
Latest update from PWInsider: the show was supposed to open with
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Also if he really went home because he had to put someone over when he's been back for two years and has been put over by everyone...wow. I really hope there's more to it than that.
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and should I smell it
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we'll see.
That's a cool shirt.
Holy shit that's like one of those Facebook posts you see where the guy writes 1,500 words to say in explicit detail how he's seriously, totally over the girlfriend that dumped him six months ago.
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Here's hoping this latest passing of the torch works out just as well!
yeah right