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A straw man is when you misrepresent or exaggerate a position to make it easier to lampoon, criticize, dismiss, etc.
In this case, you sarcastically remark that he's evil, implying that the actions cited in the article do not actually make him an evil person. But the context of the quote tree is the assertion that rich folks often use their resources to serve their own expedience rather than affect good for others. You've suggested that Buffett stands counter to this assertion, likely based on his recent lobbying over tax rates, but it turns out he will disregard tax obligations to serve his own ends as well. This position does not insinuate that he is evil, but that his rhetorical position is somewhat vacuous, making it problematic for the purposes elected. So it becomes easier to over-simplify the concern and then hand-wave it away.
On the other hand, the tone has clearly been "fuck rich people, they're all assholes" so it seems pretty dishonest to then complain about him lampooning such a position. I mean, Dich and Phar went there first, so to speak. So it's not like they can really stand on the moral high ground about keeping the discussion totally legitimate and not strawmanning at all.
Then he should respond to dich and phar with that point, not vsove or me? We ain't a hivemind, Dru.
A straw man is when you misrepresent or exaggerate a position to make it easier to lampoon, criticize, dismiss, etc.
In this case, you sarcastically remark that he's evil, implying that the actions cited in the article do not actually make him an evil person. But the context of the quote tree is the assertion that rich folks often use their resources to serve their own expedience rather than affect good for others. You've suggested that Buffett stands counter to this assertion, likely based on his recent lobbying over tax rates, but it turns out he will disregard tax obligations to serve his own ends as well. This position does not insinuate that he is evil, but that his rhetorical position is somewhat vacuous, making it problematic for the purposes elected. So it becomes easier to over-simplify the concern and then hand-wave it away.
On the other hand, the tone has clearly been "fuck rich people, they're all assholes" so it seems pretty dishonest to then complain about him lampooning such a position. I mean, Dich and Phar went there first, so to speak. So it's not like they can really stand on the moral high ground about keeping the discussion totally legitimate and not strawmanning at all.
Then he should respond to dich and phar with that point, not vsove or me? We ain't a hivemind, Dru.
But you are singling him out for doing something that you're ignoring when dich and phar do it? So that's a legit observation? Isn't it?
A straw man is when you misrepresent or exaggerate a position to make it easier to lampoon, criticize, dismiss, etc.
In this case, you sarcastically remark that he's evil, implying that the actions cited in the article do not actually make him an evil person. But the context of the quote tree is the assertion that rich folks often use their resources to serve their own expedience rather than affect good for others. You've suggested that Buffett stands counter to this assertion, likely based on his recent lobbying over tax rates, but it turns out he will disregard tax obligations to serve his own ends as well. This position does not insinuate that he is evil, but that his rhetorical position is somewhat vacuous, making it problematic for the purposes elected. So it becomes easier to over-simplify the concern and then hand-wave it away.
On the other hand, the tone has clearly been "fuck rich people, they're all assholes" so it seems pretty dishonest to then complain about him lampooning such a position. I mean, Dich and Phar went there first, so to speak. So it's not like they can really stand on the moral high ground about keeping the discussion totally legitimate and not strawmanning at all.
Then he should respond to dich and phar with that point, not vsove or me? We ain't a hivemind, Dru.
But you are singling him out for doing something that you're ignoring when dich and phar do it? So that's a legit observation? Isn't it?
I'm singling him out, because he replied to my post with that comment. When dich made a specific comment on my post, I also gave him a specific reply related to the point he made.
Wait, people aren't uniformly good or evil, and could be a good person and still be involved at some point over a span of about 50 years with something that runs counter to the notion of them being good overall?
Get your bullshit shades of grey out of my black and white universe.
In person? Sure. But you must realize by now the same conventions don't apply in this kind of context, and you're still dancing around the fact that you jumped on him for doing it while giving dich and phare a pass for their blatant strawman because it has less to do with who's making the more coherent argument and more to do with how you feel about the people making the posts, though you want to think otherwise.
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PharezonStruggle is an illusion.Victory is in the Qun.Registered Userregular
A straw man is when you misrepresent or exaggerate a position to make it easier to lampoon, criticize, dismiss, etc.
In this case, you sarcastically remark that he's evil, implying that the actions cited in the article do not actually make him an evil person. But the context of the quote tree is the assertion that rich folks often use their resources to serve their own expedience rather than affect good for others. You've suggested that Buffett stands counter to this assertion, likely based on his recent lobbying over tax rates, but it turns out he will disregard tax obligations to serve his own ends as well. This position does not insinuate that he is evil, but that his rhetorical position is somewhat vacuous, making it problematic for the purposes elected. So it becomes easier to over-simplify the concern and then hand-wave it away.
On the other hand, the tone has clearly been "fuck rich people, they're all assholes" so it seems pretty dishonest to then complain about him lampooning such a position. I mean, Dich and Phar went there first, so to speak. So it's not like they can really stand on the moral high ground about keeping the discussion totally legitimate and not strawmanning at all.
Then he should respond to dich and phar with that point, not vsove or me? We ain't a hivemind, Dru.
But you are singling him out for doing something that you're ignoring when dich and phar do it? So that's a legit observation? Isn't it?
In person? Sure. But you must realize by now the same conventions don't apply in this kind of context, and you're still dancing around the fact that you jumped on him for doing it while giving dich and phare a pass for their blatant strawman because it has less to do with who's making the more coherent argument and more to do with how you feel about the people making the posts, though you want to think otherwise.
I gave them a pass? Are you serious? Am I the grand thread inquisitor? mods???
But seriously, I don't think I've ever had a conversation with dich, and I'm pretty sure phare didn't actually make any sneering "rich are evil" comments in this specific conversation. The tone you attribute to them in this case seems more appropriate to comments made by metzger and a couple of other folks, and I think you're projecting some weird shit about handle bias, when I directly engaged vsove and CD's conversation on its points before the strawman discussion ever came up.
All day long I'd bidi bidi bum, if I were a wealthy man.
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eat out of the rich's garbage
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Metzger MeisterIt Gets Worsebefore it gets any better.Registered Userregular
In person? Sure. But you must realize by now the same conventions don't apply in this kind of context, and you're still dancing around the fact that you jumped on him for doing it while giving dich and phare a pass for their blatant strawman because it has less to do with who's making the more coherent argument and more to do with how you feel about the people making the posts, though you want to think otherwise.
I gave them a pass? Are you serious? Am I the grand thread inquisitor? mods???
But seriously, I don't think I've ever had a conversation with dich, and I'm pretty sure phare didn't actually make any sneering "rich are evil" comments in this specific conversation. The tone you attribute to them in this case seems more appropriate to comments made by metzger and a couple of other folks, and I think you're projecting some weird shit about handle bias, when I directly engaged vsove and CD's conversation on its points before the strawman discussion ever came up.
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Then he should respond to dich and phar with that point, not vsove or me? We ain't a hivemind, Dru.
But you are singling him out for doing something that you're ignoring when dich and phar do it? So that's a legit observation? Isn't it?
I'm just so god damn hungry
I'm singling him out, because he replied to my post with that comment. When dich made a specific comment on my post, I also gave him a specific reply related to the point he made.
Get your bullshit shades of grey out of my black and white universe.
Follow the money.
IT'S A COOKBOOK
Definitely not.
I gave them a pass? Are you serious? Am I the grand thread inquisitor? mods???
But seriously, I don't think I've ever had a conversation with dich, and I'm pretty sure phare didn't actually make any sneering "rich are evil" comments in this specific conversation. The tone you attribute to them in this case seems more appropriate to comments made by metzger and a couple of other folks, and I think you're projecting some weird shit about handle bias, when I directly engaged vsove and CD's conversation on its points before the strawman discussion ever came up.
Aw man, there's like a whole thing of foie grois in here!
I only just found this in my last playthrough of earthbound
Christ do I ever love that game
I think you both should just let it go
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I hear Americans throw away entire meals
Grass fed meat is the best soooo...
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i keep all my forumer fanfiction in my drafts too
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I can. and I find you disgusting.
Finally, something we have in common.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22048169
Try that
http://i.imgur.com/kFNpPY7.jpg
I will fucking destroy for thinking this
the onion...