DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited February 2013
I know my Comcast has a 250GB/month cap.
But I don't believe that I've ever managed to reach it.
Overall, the US is pretty lenient as far as caps go, even if our internet infrastructure isn't the best. I know the bandwidth limit is a lot stricter in some other countries though.
And essentially when you break through the cap, they just charge you an assload of money for all the data over the limit. They're like banks, they just want your money.
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Yeah. Comcast has a 250GB cap, and they'll throttle you if they see you are being an excessive user or putting strain on the system. They won't cut you completely off. Then again, we live in an age where people charge by the MB that they go over a 5GB cap on cell phones.
Streaming tech is fairly bandwidth lenient, depending on how it is done. The problem is, again, those people who don't have internet. Or other countries. Or how they are going to account for speed variances from the server farms to the end consumer.
But I don't believe that I've ever managed to reach it.
Overall, the US is pretty lenient as far as caps go, even if our internet infrastructure isn't the best. I know the bandwidth limit is a lot stricter in some other countries though.
Unless you are paying out the ass, the big distributors in Canada give you like 50-80GB per month.
I honestly think that you could reasonably argue for legal action not only between SEGA and Gearbox, but consumers and Gearbox. That demo was pretty much from an entirely different game.
That depends on whether or not customers have been screwed under the new industry "in" thing of EULA'ing customers out of their class action rights and into arbitration. Has anyone scanned the EULA yet?
So who gets sued over Brutal Legend?
Suing over a demo? Don't be a goose.
Totally different thing. This was an "in-game demo" of Randy talking over video of someone "playing" the game. 98% of what was shown was not in the final game, with dumber AI, worse lighting and so on. Brutal Legend's demo was at least part of the final game, it just didn't show off the RTS gameplay component.
To Alforce: my cap is 100GB, which I pay $60 per month for. If I go over, I'm shaped, with my speed dialed down to essentially dial-up speeds. Although I think this might actually warrant its own thread, got more than a few responses.
Caps have always been in place in Australia, as I understand in the US more and more have started to adopt caps as the average usage skyrocketed over the past few years now that everone uses streaming video and such
I honestly think that you could reasonably argue for legal action not only between SEGA and Gearbox, but consumers and Gearbox. That demo was pretty much from an entirely different game.
That depends on whether or not customers have been screwed under the new industry "in" thing of EULA'ing customers out of their class action rights and into arbitration. Has anyone scanned the EULA yet?
So who gets sued over Brutal Legend?
Suing over a demo? Don't be a goose.
Totally different thing. This was an "in-game demo" of Randy talking over video of someone "playing" the game. 98% of what was shown was not in the final game, with dumber AI, worse lighting and so on. Brutal Legend's demo was at least part of the final game, it just didn't show off the RTS gameplay component.
Demos do not have to have levels that are in the final game. Also, most if not all demos now have the line about how content may change when the game gets released. Trying to sue a game company for a demo? Yeah, that sounds promising.
Where do you folks live and who is your ISP where you have a bandwidth cap on your home Internet connection?. What is the cap? Is it enforced? What is the penalty?
When I lived in New Zealand I had a 40gig Internet cap and when you passed it you were sent back down to 56k speeds, maybe a little slower in fact.
But I don't believe that I've ever managed to reach it.
Overall, the US is pretty lenient as far as caps go, even if our internet infrastructure isn't the best. I know the bandwidth limit is a lot stricter in some other countries though.
Unless you are paying out the ass, the big distributors in Canada give you like 50-80GB per month.
Yep, and they tried to force the small ISPs who buy bandwidth off them to institute those caps, too. Fortunately they lost that battle, and my small ISP raised the (already high) monthly cap on standard DSL accounts by 100 gigs just to celebrate. The fact that so many Canadians have such low caps is particularly unfortunate, since with our much smaller population we don't always end up with the same kind of access to physical copies of games as Americans do. Going digital would make a lot of sense for Canadians, if only the big telecoms didn't like screwing us sideways as much as they do.
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Canada is all about getting fucked by our telecoms with a rusty steel pinecone, despite having one of the highest percentage of internet users.
It's already a big problem for guys like Netflix and other DD systems.
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I don't think streamed or downloaded video game content is going to become the mainstream for consoles. It will always play a supporting nature, unless we somehow reach some goddamn Aquinas thing of 'infinite bandwidth.' And it damn sure won't be the delivery method of Backward Compatibility (sans video stream). We have the infrastructure, generally speaking (with major gaps) for it (DLC) to hold a supporting nature. I mean, look, the bottom line is bandwidth caps exist and data demand on games can and will eat it up. A lot has to change for that not to be the reality.
Where do you folks live and who is your ISP where you have a bandwidth cap on your home Internet connection?. What is the cap? Is it enforced? What is the penalty?
When I lived in New Zealand I had a 40gig Internet cap and when you passed it you were sent back down to 56k speeds, maybe a little slower in fact.
It's telling that the unlimited data plans are options for SOE companies. (Government shareholder companies) free market is bullshit for provision of services.
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Canada is all about getting fucked by our telecoms with a rusty steel pinecone, despite having one of the highest percentage of internet users.
It's already a big problem for guys like Netflix and other DD systems.
This, seriously, big time. Ain't no joke, Canada is behind countries that are suppose to be less advance, we pay more for less and if we can get bent over the table and taken up the rump we usually do on these things.
Part of the problem is that the people in charge of decisions are ex execs of the telecom giants that we got, leave one place for the other that makes the rules. It's a joke.
But I don't believe that I've ever managed to reach it.
Overall, the US is pretty lenient as far as caps go, even if our internet infrastructure isn't the best. I know the bandwidth limit is a lot stricter in some other countries though.
Unless you are paying out the ass, the big distributors in Canada give you like 50-80GB per month.
I'm pretty lucky in that my area I got access to one of the small companies that do unlimited for a decent price, only downfall is shitty customer service :P
Its the main reason why I use netflix so much or buy games digitally.
I'm in Canada. I have an 80-gig cap. Which seems like a lot until you realize that both me and my roommate pretty much rely on streaming services for movies and TV, and stream other stuff on top of that, and I personally buy a lot of digital content. Between iTunes. Steam, Playstation Plus, YouTube, Giant Bomb, Netflix, and so on, it's not that hard to get close to that cap.
Asking me to pile yet another bandwidth-sucking service into my entertainment setup is not what I want. What I want is to be able to take the discs that I've bought and own and the digital content I've bought and downloaded and play them.
Can I just keep my old console hooked up? Sure. But that's one more box I have to leave out and deal with, and one less thing I can get rid of to help pay for the new one. I got all of the last gen consoles at launch and a big part of the reason why I was able to do so was that I could safely sell off my three previous ones to offset some of the cost, knowing that I could still play my games.
So Ni No Kuni sold pretty well? That's good to hear. Game does have a lot of issues, mostly combat related, but it deserves success on art style and music alone.
Of course, when you get Studio Ghibli and Joe Hisaishi involved in a project it's guaranteed not to suck on a worst case scenario.
Who wants to bet that the Sony announcement on the 20th is a new Wonderbook?
Wonderbook, now for the Vita!
But as funny as something like that would be, it's 99% going to be the ps4 announcement. And Sony could really use some excitement, everything about that company has been depressing for a while.
I hope for the sake of owners that the conference has some Vita news, because it also desperately needs some attention.
This will strictly be new console focused. Aside from possibly Vita compatibility we won't hear shit. Which will put pressure on Sony's E3 performance. If it goes down like last year that handheld pretty much has zero chance. So Wednesday better be a colossal presentation.
I honestly think that you could reasonably argue for legal action not only between SEGA and Gearbox, but consumers and Gearbox. That demo was pretty much from an entirely different game.
That depends on whether or not customers have been screwed under the new industry "in" thing of EULA'ing customers out of their class action rights and into arbitration. Has anyone scanned the EULA yet?
So who gets sued over Brutal Legend?
Suing over a demo? Don't be a goose.
Totally different thing. This was an "in-game demo" of Randy talking over video of someone "playing" the game. 98% of what was shown was not in the final game, with dumber AI, worse lighting and so on. Brutal Legend's demo was at least part of the final game, it just didn't show off the RTS gameplay component.
Demos do not have to have levels that are in the final game. Also, most if not all demos now have the line about how content may change when the game gets released. Trying to sue a game company for a demo? Yeah, that sounds promising.
Don't be a goose.
Um, if that demo is part of a sales pitch to show the investor what they're supposed to be getting, then yes, there could definitely be grounds for a lawsuit. Don't be a goose and say that companies aren't obligated to deliver on what they indicate they're making; a generic term for that is "fraud", which is a breach of contract at the least and outright illegal at the worst. If I say I'm a real estate developer, get some investors, do some shitty developing, then doctor up pictures of the crap to look good until I can get my money, hell yeah is that grounds for getting my ass sued off.
Obviously I couldn't sue Gearbox for that demo as a consumer, but if Gearbox used that demo to convince Sega that Sega was getting something it wanted from Gearbox instead of a total piece of shit outsourced to other developers? Absolutely a possibility of lawsuit material there, though I sincerely doubt that, if this goes to court, that's going to be Sega's bedrock. If this stuff does pan out, then clearly Gearbox was acting shady on a number of levels and the demo thing could just be icing on the cake.
I was arguing both consumers could sue as well as SEGA, but I'll concede the consumers would have no chance in heck.
I think if SEGA could find any proof of the money they gave to Gearbox was used to fund Borderlands and then its sequel though, they'd have a damn solid case.
I was arguing both consumers could sue as well as SEGA, but I'll concede the consumers would have no chance in heck.
I think if SEGA could find any proof of the money they gave to Gearbox was used to fund Borderlands and then its sequel though, they'd have a damn solid case.
Yeah, I can't think of any reasonable way that consumers could sue over a demo, any more than moviegoers could sue over a good trailer convincing them to see a crappy movie.
That's not to say I don't think it couldn't ever happen, just that I don't think it would be a reasonable case.
Well, there's a difference between a misleading trailer, where it is edited to make you think youare getting a movie you aren't, and a trailer that has better special effects and the vast majority of it doesn't end up in the final product.
Well, there's a difference between a misleading trailer, where it is edited to make you think youare getting a movie you aren't, and a trailer that has better special effects and the vast majority of it doesn't end up in the final product.
Not really. Have you seen the numerous trailers that have entire scenes never shown in the film? If there hasn't been anyone sued over that, I doubt this would be able to either. SEGA has a good case if there is truth to the rumor that Gearbox used SEGA's money on their own game... but their demo is nothing to be sued for. Heck, Bungie pretty much had the same thing with Halo 2 and their demo. They were unable to make the game the demo represented and this was shown on their making of video.
Well, there's a difference between a misleading trailer, where it is edited to make you think youare getting a movie you aren't, and a trailer that has better special effects and the vast majority of it doesn't end up in the final product.
Not really. Have you seen the numerous trailers that have entire scenes never shown in the film? If there hasn't been anyone sued over that, I doubt this would be able to either. SEGA has a good case if there is truth to the rumor that Gearbox used SEGA's money on their own game... but their demo is nothing to be sued for. Heck, Bungie pretty much had the same thing with Halo 2 and their demo. They were unable to make the game the demo represented and this was shown on their making of video.
Yeah, but that was a demo directed at the consumers, not the investors. My point is entirely conditional (it assumes the demo was originally directed at the investors to convince them the game was something decent), but if the demo was only ever for consumers, it'd be useless in a real case. But that's not to say that something like couldn't ever be solid evidence for fraud, it just needs the proper, and entirely possible, circumstances.
Well, there's a difference between a misleading trailer, where it is edited to make you think youare getting a movie you aren't, and a trailer that has better special effects and the vast majority of it doesn't end up in the final product.
Not really. Have you seen the numerous trailers that have entire scenes never shown in the film? If there hasn't been anyone sued over that, I doubt this would be able to either. SEGA has a good case if there is truth to the rumor that Gearbox used SEGA's money on their own game... but their demo is nothing to be sued for. Heck, Bungie pretty much had the same thing with Halo 2 and their demo. They were unable to make the game the demo represented and this was shown on their making of video.
Unless you have case precedent to cite, I doubt it's from lack of ability moreso lack of enough motivation to do so. The fallout from such an action could alienate a party from the rest of the industry, and nobody is willing to fire that shot first quite yet over something as seemingly trivial to the industry as a whole as a game demo, that isn't connected to some much larger issue, such as Gearbox's potential fraud with Sega's funds.
Sega suing over the misappropriation (gotta love that word) of funds and using the demo as leverage? I could see that working.
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This is going to get worse I think:
“Gearbox didnt care about the game, they spent the money from acm on the borderlands games. Look at the release of borderlands and when aliens was anounced, they had the other companies like timegate do the work. When they got the game back timegate had done a terrible job. When it came into sega it was shit basicaly. Gearbox only cared about fixing ‘progression blockers’ (things that stop a player from getting through a level) or crashes” – SEGA employee
Even if that's not true, Sega's got a good case to sue them... I can't think of another time a publisher contracted out a game, and then that developer took it on themselves to subcontract stuff out. Especially since the other studios were so crap.
"No, we hired YOU, not those other shitheads that caused the game to suck and sell like ass."
Ah well, I guess they can hire some decent lawyers with all that Borderlands money. If Borderlands didn't exist they'd be 100% screwed.
Even if that's not true, Sega's got a good case to sue them... I can't think of another time a publisher contracted out a game, and then that developer took it on themselves to subcontract stuff out. Especially since the other studios were so crap.
"No, we hired YOU, not those other shitheads that caused the game to suck and sell like ass."
Ah well, I guess they can hire some decent lawyers with all that Borderlands money. If Borderlands didn't exist they'd be 100% screwed.
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But I don't believe that I've ever managed to reach it.
Overall, the US is pretty lenient as far as caps go, even if our internet infrastructure isn't the best. I know the bandwidth limit is a lot stricter in some other countries though.
Streaming tech is fairly bandwidth lenient, depending on how it is done. The problem is, again, those people who don't have internet. Or other countries. Or how they are going to account for speed variances from the server farms to the end consumer.
Unless you are paying out the ass, the big distributors in Canada give you like 50-80GB per month.
That's because we don't anymore. For now, anyway.
Totally different thing. This was an "in-game demo" of Randy talking over video of someone "playing" the game. 98% of what was shown was not in the final game, with dumber AI, worse lighting and so on. Brutal Legend's demo was at least part of the final game, it just didn't show off the RTS gameplay component.
To Alforce: my cap is 100GB, which I pay $60 per month for. If I go over, I'm shaped, with my speed dialed down to essentially dial-up speeds. Although I think this might actually warrant its own thread, got more than a few responses.
Caps have always been in place in Australia, as I understand in the US more and more have started to adopt caps as the average usage skyrocketed over the past few years now that everone uses streaming video and such
Demos do not have to have levels that are in the final game. Also, most if not all demos now have the line about how content may change when the game gets released. Trying to sue a game company for a demo? Yeah, that sounds promising.
Don't be a goose.
When I lived in New Zealand I had a 40gig Internet cap and when you passed it you were sent back down to 56k speeds, maybe a little slower in fact.
Just fathom that for a while if you wish.
Yep, and they tried to force the small ISPs who buy bandwidth off them to institute those caps, too. Fortunately they lost that battle, and my small ISP raised the (already high) monthly cap on standard DSL accounts by 100 gigs just to celebrate. The fact that so many Canadians have such low caps is particularly unfortunate, since with our much smaller population we don't always end up with the same kind of access to physical copies of games as Americans do. Going digital would make a lot of sense for Canadians, if only the big telecoms didn't like screwing us sideways as much as they do.
It's already a big problem for guys like Netflix and other DD systems.
Anyway, let's not linger too long on this.
Eh and for over a year I've been on unlimited data plans. As of a couple of months ago I have a fiber plan with unlimited data.
http://www.orcon.net.nz/external/genius/indexsep12.php?gbuseage=unlimited
It's telling that the unlimited data plans are options for SOE companies. (Government shareholder companies) free market is bullshit for provision of services.
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This, seriously, big time. Ain't no joke, Canada is behind countries that are suppose to be less advance, we pay more for less and if we can get bent over the table and taken up the rump we usually do on these things.
Part of the problem is that the people in charge of decisions are ex execs of the telecom giants that we got, leave one place for the other that makes the rules. It's a joke.
I'm pretty lucky in that my area I got access to one of the small companies that do unlimited for a decent price, only downfall is shitty customer service :P
Its the main reason why I use netflix so much or buy games digitally.
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Asking me to pile yet another bandwidth-sucking service into my entertainment setup is not what I want. What I want is to be able to take the discs that I've bought and own and the digital content I've bought and downloaded and play them.
Can I just keep my old console hooked up? Sure. But that's one more box I have to leave out and deal with, and one less thing I can get rid of to help pay for the new one. I got all of the last gen consoles at launch and a big part of the reason why I was able to do so was that I could safely sell off my three previous ones to offset some of the cost, knowing that I could still play my games.
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Of course, when you get Studio Ghibli and Joe Hisaishi involved in a project it's guaranteed not to suck on a worst case scenario.
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But as funny as something like that would be, it's 99% going to be the ps4 announcement. And Sony could really use some excitement, everything about that company has been depressing for a while.
This will strictly be new console focused. Aside from possibly Vita compatibility we won't hear shit. Which will put pressure on Sony's E3 performance. If it goes down like last year that handheld pretty much has zero chance. So Wednesday better be a colossal presentation.
And bundles. They'll announce lots and lots of bundles. :rotate:
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Um, if that demo is part of a sales pitch to show the investor what they're supposed to be getting, then yes, there could definitely be grounds for a lawsuit. Don't be a goose and say that companies aren't obligated to deliver on what they indicate they're making; a generic term for that is "fraud", which is a breach of contract at the least and outright illegal at the worst. If I say I'm a real estate developer, get some investors, do some shitty developing, then doctor up pictures of the crap to look good until I can get my money, hell yeah is that grounds for getting my ass sued off.
Obviously I couldn't sue Gearbox for that demo as a consumer, but if Gearbox used that demo to convince Sega that Sega was getting something it wanted from Gearbox instead of a total piece of shit outsourced to other developers? Absolutely a possibility of lawsuit material there, though I sincerely doubt that, if this goes to court, that's going to be Sega's bedrock. If this stuff does pan out, then clearly Gearbox was acting shady on a number of levels and the demo thing could just be icing on the cake.
I think if SEGA could find any proof of the money they gave to Gearbox was used to fund Borderlands and then its sequel though, they'd have a damn solid case.
That's not to say I don't think it couldn't ever happen, just that I don't think it would be a reasonable case.
Not really. Have you seen the numerous trailers that have entire scenes never shown in the film? If there hasn't been anyone sued over that, I doubt this would be able to either. SEGA has a good case if there is truth to the rumor that Gearbox used SEGA's money on their own game... but their demo is nothing to be sued for. Heck, Bungie pretty much had the same thing with Halo 2 and their demo. They were unable to make the game the demo represented and this was shown on their making of video.
Yeah, but that was a demo directed at the consumers, not the investors. My point is entirely conditional (it assumes the demo was originally directed at the investors to convince them the game was something decent), but if the demo was only ever for consumers, it'd be useless in a real case. But that's not to say that something like couldn't ever be solid evidence for fraud, it just needs the proper, and entirely possible, circumstances.
Unless you have case precedent to cite, I doubt it's from lack of ability moreso lack of enough motivation to do so. The fallout from such an action could alienate a party from the rest of the industry, and nobody is willing to fire that shot first quite yet over something as seemingly trivial to the industry as a whole as a game demo, that isn't connected to some much larger issue, such as Gearbox's potential fraud with Sega's funds.
Sega suing over the misappropriation (gotta love that word) of funds and using the demo as leverage? I could see that working.
http://segabits.com/blog/2013/02/16/another-gearbox-worker-takes-to-reddit-says-segas-money-funded-the-borderlands-franchise/
If that is true and they spent money given to them for aliens on Borderlands...this is going to get really bad for Gearbox.
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Ah well, I guess they can hire some decent lawyers with all that Borderlands money. If Borderlands didn't exist they'd be 100% screwed.
But if Borderlands didn't exist, would't that mean that Gearbox would be in the clear, but horribly incompetent as a developer?
They deserve to be double-sued for that steaming pile.
Kind of like this person who outsourced his personal job to a Chinese employee so he could watch cat videos all day.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117
Only if you believe that Borderlands is the only thing they've ever done.
Borderlands is probably the only thing that earned them Scrooge McDuck money.