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    MetalbourneMetalbourne Inside a cluster b personalityRegistered User regular
    facetious wrote: »
    On a serious note though

    my best friend is bisexual and it really bothers me how badly treated bisexuality is by people who identify as straight or gay. Especially when it's coming from the 'gay community' (dumb term), I don't get why people aren't trying to promote accepting people as they are.

    Edit: And of course trans* folk are in a similar place here, too.

    Yep. It's entirely as much bullshit as the way gays and lesbians are treated by everyone else. Except its a minority doing it to an even smaller minority. Even in the trans community we have "normal" trans men and women hating on the queer side for being queer. It's just much bullshit as condemning someone for the color of their skin.

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    preemptive apology for generalizing ducks and swans I didn't think before I posted

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    JayKaosJayKaos Registered User regular
    edited February 2013
    There's a lot of theories about evolutionary benefits to homosexuality (making better uncles/aunts for example) that you could try and send to that guy, interro, but it's probably easier just to curse at him a lot.

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    HellaJeffHellaJeff FAB FRESH RAIIINBOOWWWWWRegistered User regular
    Man there are some insanely attractive men and women, and I stare at all of them.

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    GatsbyGatsby Registered User regular
    God I hope the asshole co-worker I sometimes have to suffer isn't around today on my shift. This is the kind of guy who believes that anybody who's trans, especially transwomen, can "never be the gender they aspire to be" from a purely biological standpoint because "they lack a uterus!"

    I literally saw red and wanted to punch this motherfucker's lights out as he went on this bigoted tirade.

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    facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    ducks and swans are gay as hell

    bonobos

    Giraffes are the gayest.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Narbus wrote: »
    Rorus Raz wrote: »
    Narbus wrote: »
    I waited until I was 32 to come out as gay. Being raised Catholic is awesome.
    I was pretty depressed when Benedict resigned as opposed to doing us all a favor and dropping dead.

    I kinda was annoyed but then everyone focused on how this is the first time in 600 years that the Pope resigned instead of being forcibly retired by his boss, and how it's mostly because of how amazingly hard the dude dropped the ball on pretty much every divisive issue in the Church. So now instead of the polite eulogizing, we're getting "wow, duder sucked harder at his job than anyone in the past 6 centuries. That's mad sucking."

    Which is kinda neat.

    And to drag this vaguely back on topic, this video made me a little happy but mostly sad for the guy.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnhsDuj285c

    He did say that the Mormon church doctrine will never change

    which is way pessimistic because the church did change its policy (officially) on black people taking leadership positions

    all the same

    nobody should ever be forced to remain celibate
    not even through social pressure

    now I'm pissed off
    can't believe that fucking church swallowed nineteen years of my life

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    JarsJars Registered User regular
    I'm not so good with the terms but if a pre-op transwoman is dating a woman then uh... what goes on in bed? do they do things the regular way? and do they change things up after the transition operation? it seems very confusing

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    they'll do what they want in bed and its none of your business

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    jgeisjgeis Registered User regular
    Please correct me if I'm remembering wrong (or link me of I'm right), but wasn't there a recent study done that showed that increased fertility in women led to a higher chance of their sons turning out gay? That would provide an evolutionary explanation for homosexuality in men, at least. Assuming that study was valid and all that.

    Also, I feel like people should refrain from arguing about the origins of homosexuality from a genetic/evolutionary standpoint because there is so much we still don't know about genetics and evolution and hormones and shit. Like, just be reasonable and open minded, society.

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    DruhimDruhim Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Antimatter wrote: »
    i'm currently embroiled in an argument with a guy i know about evolutionary psychology and how (as far as i know) it has no explanation for the very existence of LGBTQ individuals

    and he just keeps coming back with all this appeal-to-nature pseudoscience garbage and I'm getting so mad
    remind him of homosexuality in the animal kingdom if nothing else

    First off, much of evolutionary psychology is highly speculative. So her associate is treating speculation as evidence.
    Second, I strongly disagree with using similar behavior in other animals as evidence for something we do being "natural" and therefore ok.

    There are plenty of things other animals do that make sense for their species but that absolutely should not inform our morality. Which then means that you're just cherry picking animal behavior you think sends the right message while distancing yourself from animal behavior that doesn't. So it also becomes a meaningless metric. It wouldn't matter at all if no other animals exhibited homosexual behavior. We're not dogs, or rabbits, or sea slugs. Anyone who tries to make a case for behavior based on how natural it supposedly is or isn't is spectacularly missing the point.

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    interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    Druhim wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    i'm currently embroiled in an argument with a guy i know about evolutionary psychology and how (as far as i know) it has no explanation for the very existence of LGBTQ individuals

    and he just keeps coming back with all this appeal-to-nature pseudoscience garbage and I'm getting so mad
    remind him of homosexuality in the animal kingdom if nothing else

    First off, much of evolutionary psychology is highly speculative. So her associate is treating speculation as evidence.
    Second, I strongly disagree with using similar behavior in other animals as evidence for something we do being "natural" and therefore ok.

    There are plenty of things other animals do that make sense for their species but that absolutely should not inform our morality. Which then means that you're just cherry picking animal behavior you think sends the right message while distancing yourself from animal behavior that doesn't. So it also becomes a meaningless metric. It wouldn't matter at all if no other animals exhibited homosexual behavior. We're not dogs, or rabbits, or sea slugs. Anyone who tries to make a case for behavior based on how natural it supposedly is or isn't is spectacularly missing the point.

    coincidentally, this is the problem i have with evolutionary psychology in general

    deriving an un-testable conclusion from a limited set of data and slapping a big stamp on it that reads "REAL SCIENCE" rubs me the wrong way

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    TrippyJingTrippyJing Moses supposes his toeses are roses. But Moses supposes erroneously.Registered User regular
    I don't have sex because I'm afraid she'll rip my head off and cannibalise me when we're done.

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2013
    Druhim wrote: »
    Antimatter wrote: »
    i'm currently embroiled in an argument with a guy i know about evolutionary psychology and how (as far as i know) it has no explanation for the very existence of LGBTQ individuals

    and he just keeps coming back with all this appeal-to-nature pseudoscience garbage and I'm getting so mad
    remind him of homosexuality in the animal kingdom if nothing else

    First off, much of evolutionary psychology is highly speculative. So her associate is treating speculation as evidence.
    Second, I strongly disagree with using similar behavior in other animals as evidence for something we do being "natural" and therefore ok.

    There are plenty of things other animals do that make sense for their species but that absolutely should not inform our morality. Which then means that you're just cherry picking animal behavior you think sends the right message while distancing yourself from animal behavior that doesn't. So it also becomes a meaningless metric. It wouldn't matter at all if no other animals exhibited homosexual behavior. We're not dogs, or rabbits, or sea slugs. Anyone who tries to make a case for behavior based on how natural it supposedly is or isn't is spectacularly missing the point.

    coincidentally, this is the problem i have with evolutionary psychology in general

    deriving an un-testable conclusion from a limited set of data and slapping a big stamp on it that reads "REAL SCIENCE" rubs me the wrong way

    not to mention a majority of the only people left who need to be persuaded on that level are probably fairly unimpressed by "REAL SCIENCE" anyway


    if i were building a court case, I'd probably leave the animal humping part out of it

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    NarbusNarbus Registered User regular
    I don't have sex because I'm scared my lips will melt and then they'll steal my balls.

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    HellaJeffHellaJeff FAB FRESH RAIIINBOOWWWWWRegistered User regular
    TrippyJing wrote: »
    I don't have sex because she won't rip my head off and cannibalise me when we're done.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Jars wrote: »
    I'm not so good with the terms but if a pre-op transwoman is dating a woman then uh... what goes on in bed? do they do things the regular way? and do they change things up after the transition operation? it seems very confusing

    we don't have problems outside my medication, if that helps

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    UnbreakableVowUnbreakableVow Registered User regular
    Oh hey, a QUILTBAG thread

    Possibly the coolest acronym ever

    At least that I can think of off the top of my head

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    Oh hey, a QUILTBAG thread

    Possibly the coolest acronym ever

    At least that I can think of off the top of my head
    LASER

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    YukiraYukira Registered User regular
    GBLT was pretty good.

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    I dunno about quiltbag

    it's functional but it sounds like an insult a doting grandmother would use

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    satisfaction with the acronym "quiltbag" is mostly a reflection of the joy that they actually managed to find a pronounceable word they could pack all this assorted junk into to the exclusion of (apparently) nobody

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    ducks and swans are gay as hell

    bonobos

    more like bonerbros, rite?
    no

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    oh hey it's jasconius

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    edited February 2013
    scientists and philosophers are already working on SUPERCALIFRAGALISTICEXPIALADOCIOUS.... due to meet the demands of 2050's gender and sexual theory needs


    DLC for that one already announced

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    satisfaction with the acronym "quiltbag" is mostly a reflection of the joy that they actually managed to find a pronounceable word they could pack all this assorted junk into to the exclusion of (apparently) nobody
    there's groups that aren't in there (all i can think of off the top of my head is Two-Spirits but i'm not a queer studies person so i'm sure there are others)

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    interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    satisfaction with the acronym "quiltbag" is mostly a reflection of the joy that they actually managed to find a pronounceable word they could pack all this assorted junk into to the exclusion of (apparently) nobody
    there's groups that aren't in there (all i can think of off the top of my head is Two-Spirits but i'm not a queer studies person so i'm sure there are others)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)

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    The GeekThe Geek Oh-Two Crew, Omeganaut Registered User, ClubPA regular
    What is two-spirits?

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    satisfaction with the acronym "quiltbag" is mostly a reflection of the joy that they actually managed to find a pronounceable word they could pack all this assorted junk into to the exclusion of (apparently) nobody
    there's groups that aren't in there (all i can think of off the top of my head is Two-Spirits but i'm not a queer studies person so i'm sure there are others)

    see above

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    LarlarLarlar consecutive normal brunches Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    Dichotomy wrote: »
    they'll do what they want in bed and its none of your business

    It is if they're doing it in my bed.

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    satisfaction with the acronym "quiltbag" is mostly a reflection of the joy that they actually managed to find a pronounceable word they could pack all this assorted junk into to the exclusion of (apparently) nobody
    there's groups that aren't in there (all i can think of off the top of my head is Two-Spirits but i'm not a queer studies person so i'm sure there are others)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_(South_Asia)
    that's cool

    The Geek wrote: »
    What is two-spirits?
    aboriginal identity - people who feel they have both male and female spirits within them, not the same thing as genderqueer though because it's like both at once or at different times instead of being something in the middle, i think. again, not an expert here lol

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    satisfaction with the acronym "quiltbag" is mostly a reflection of the joy that they actually managed to find a pronounceable word they could pack all this assorted junk into to the exclusion of (apparently) nobody
    there's groups that aren't in there (all i can think of off the top of my head is Two-Spirits but i'm not a queer studies person so i'm sure there are others)

    T could also stand for two-spirit

    Kink isn't covered, though

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    i think vague umbrella terms like Queer are the way to go and then just be more specific when talking about individuals but i'm a straight white cis dude so i'll defer to people this actually affects obviously

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    StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited February 2013
    Evolution accounts for homosexuality: it's just an off-shoot of bisexuality.

    It makes sense that a mutation that encourages you to fuck everything, because while you're fucking people of your own sex, you're also producing lotsa babies. From here it's not terribly surprising that slight twists create people more interested in one sex than the other. If anything heterosexuality is also a weird twist of evolution, because our original ancestor was likely a hermaphroditic protist or whatever.

    SO WHY DON'T "THE GAYS" END OUR FRAGILE SPECIES? Because you're always going to have, at any given time, traits that aren't going to be selected. There were hairless animals during cold periods and non-swimmers during wet times. Pure homosexuality (and heterosexuality for that matter) is pretty rare, and who fucking knows how exactly sexuality gets passed on. If straight people carry a "gay gene," but have other strong traits, then the gay gene is going to get passed on. This also ignores the fact that, you know, we're humans and can opt to give evolution the finger while having gay orgies. Evolution is a thing that happens: nobody said it was a process we need to live up to as some kind of fucking standard.

    There's also benefits to homosexuality, such as socializing within your species (the community that fucks together...kills bucks together?) and so forth.

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    interrobanginterrobang kawaii as  hellRegistered User regular
    kill all garys

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    unintentionalunintentional smelly Registered User regular
    i like the "gay aunt/uncle" theory (people who don't reproduce still help out their siblings, who they statistically share a shitload of genes with so it still increases their fitness)

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    AntimatterAntimatter Devo Was Right Gates of SteelRegistered User regular
    still dont know how i feel about queer being a reclaimed word

    not the hugest fan of its use

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    DichotomyDichotomy Registered User regular
    Jasconius wrote: »
    scientists and philosophers are already working on SUPERCALIFRAGALISTICEXPIALADOCIOUS.... due to meet the demands of 2050's gender and sexual theory needs


    DLC for that one already announced

    you think this is funny but it's only contributing to the background level of quiet horror faced by those on the fringes of popular society and this statement reflects poorly on you

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    facetiousfacetious a wit so dry it shits sandRegistered User regular
    Fuck this gary earth.

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    DoobhDoobh She/Her, Ace Pan/Bisexual 8-) What's up, bootlickers?Registered User regular
    i think vague umbrella terms like Queer are the way to go and then just be more specific when talking about individuals but i'm a straight white cis dude so i'll defer to people this actually affects obviously

    I've been thinking along the same lines

    though, I'm not sure if it's the best option

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