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    SarksusSarksus ATTACK AND DETHRONE GODRegistered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    Depending on whether I can read your address properly, I am sending you something.

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    I could totally see how someone could think Huckleberry Finn was hell of racist if they didn't finish it. And it is a long book.

    But all of that is just the nescessary buildup to the main character realizing how deeply shitty and racist his culture and religion and everything he had been brought up to think was good really was. That just because someone does the right and Christian thing doesn't mean they aren't terrible people.

    It is worth slogging through that long, long book just for this if nothing else.
    "All right, then, I'll GO to hell"--and tore it up.”

    No no, these papers I'm talking about are not written by silly or stupid people.

    They have very, very specific examples and opinions and they deconstruct every single moment where Huck Finn is supposedly 'doing the right thing' or having a moral crisis moment and explain why he hasn't changed a bit and is still really racist and sort of awful.

    If I were allowed to write about the book like they are, these would actually be very good papers.

    But the essay topics are like "discuss the symbolism of the river as it relates to social constraints."

    And none of these essays care to talk about any of that, they are all interested in breaking down Huck and/or Twain's racism.

    Jeep, the river isn't really about the river. The awfulness and racism is what they want you to talk about.

    Man.

    I'm really starting to get my feelings hurt that everyone here thinks I'm just really, really, really dumb.

    I'll stop talking about school.

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    CindersCinders Whose sails were black when it was windy Registered User regular
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    RiemannLivesRiemannLives Registered User regular
    think I need some lunch

    I would spend the afternoon watching more Hey Ash Watcha Playin' but those damn ads on gametrailers have got to me

    Attacked by tweeeeeeees!
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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    senj senj senj make me feel good about myself

    follow my music twitter soundcloud tumblr
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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Personally I think the per procedure model of healthcare is a shitty one that encourages overtesting, over utilization and profits over actual results.

    Well, then you get into a similar problem as with education, where the results matter as much (or more) on the characteristics of the customer as they do on the effort or techniques of the professional. You start paying providers based on results and the only providers who treat the elderly, the poor, the mentally ill, and the obese are the providers who are doing it out of some internal moral compass.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    Mojo_JojoMojo_Jojo We are only now beginning to understand the full power and ramifications of sexual intercourse Registered User regular
    I have eaten far too much yoghurt.

    Discuss.

    Homogeneous distribution of your varieties of amuse-gueule
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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    How is your job hunt going?

    I put one new application in

    Part of this week I spent volunteering at a nonprofit putting out an amicus brief

    Every job posting I look at comes with a whisper "you're not qualified our they'll never hire you"

    I've been to a couple networking type things

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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Thanatos wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    Thanatos wrote: »
    ronya wrote: »
    my pet suspicion is that you can't get political pressure to control costs in hospitals until you get some way to relieve hospitals of a duty to treat
    Other countries seem to control costs way better than we do and don't give up the duty to treat.

    because they adopted the universal duty to treat after they introduced state healthcare

    moving in the opposite direction requires hospitals pushing back against being driven to bankruptcy in a difficult direction

    Hospitals don't have a duty to treat in the US.

    Emergency departments do, but that covers the ED only.

    Emergency costs are one driver of overall healthcare costs, but they're not a primary driver.

    it's ballooning admin costs, if I followed the debate correctly

    Ballooning administrative costs and overutilization are the least controversial drivers. (But of course no two people will ever agree on what exactly constitutes "over"utilization versus appropriate utilization.)

    Rising costs were masked for a little while in the 90s by insurance companies profiting more off of float via stock market investments.

    Diversion of patients from low-cost primary care offices into high-cost emergency departments due to lack of health insurance is a cost driver. On an overall national scale it's not that big of a cost driver, but when looking at public expenditures specifically it's important because EDs receive a disproportionate share of public funds.

    Poor record-keeping and inter-provider coordination cause more medical errors, which can be ameliorated by better use of electronic health records, but the adoption of EHR usually turns out to be much more expensive in the short-run than the medical errors that it prevents, which is why Medicare is offering incentives for it.

    I also firmly believe that the AMA and the AAMC are flagrantly rent-seeking by trying to keep the supply of MDs artificially low and their value artificially high, but I recognize that this is a controversial interpretation.
    Is it really controversial? I mean, I guess if you're completely ignorant.

    They also rent-seek by trying to keep going to an MD as your only option. Being a GP shouldn't involve having to put on pants on most days. Most days, a GP should be able to sit at home at his computer, and just wait for calls to come in from the large group of PAs and nurses he or she consults for. But we don't want more PAs or nurses, because that would reduce the need for MDs, and would reduce the incredible amount of money they cost.

    I should not need to see a fucking MD when I have an ear infection or strep throat and need some antibiotics, unless there is some sort of strange complication going on that requires more advanced knowledge.

    This is why we should be encouraging Nurse Practitioners and making them more viable as a GP replacement.

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited February 2013
    Podly wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    i fucking quoted structure sign and play in here last night

    where were you podly

    you would quote structure sign play

    call me when you're ready to talk Speech and Phenomena

    edit* and so help me god if you come at me without having devoured the Husserl first

    SO HELP ME GOD

    Truth be told, I am not super well versed in criticism. I think the sprinkling I have is useful, but I don't want anymore exposure. All criticism is observation, privilege, and patterning. All of it. I know how to do that. I know how to find interesting things in texts.

    Vanguard on
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    AManFromEarthAManFromEarth Let's get to twerk! The King in the SwampRegistered User regular
    I could totally see how someone could think Huckleberry Finn was hell of racist if they didn't finish it. And it is a long book.

    But all of that is just the nescessary buildup to the main character realizing how deeply shitty and racist his culture and religion and everything he had been brought up to think was good really was. That just because someone does the right and Christian thing doesn't mean they aren't terrible people.

    It is worth slogging through that long, long book just for this if nothing else.
    "All right, then, I'll GO to hell"--and tore it up.”

    No no, these papers I'm talking about are not written by silly or stupid people.

    They have very, very specific examples and opinions and they deconstruct every single moment where Huck Finn is supposedly 'doing the right thing' or having a moral crisis moment and explain why he hasn't changed a bit and is still really racist and sort of awful.

    If I were allowed to write about the book like they are, these would actually be very good papers.

    But the essay topics are like "discuss the symbolism of the river as it relates to social constraints."

    And none of these essays care to talk about any of that, they are all interested in breaking down Huck and/or Twain's racism.

    Jeep, the river isn't really about the river. The awfulness and racism is what they want you to talk about.

    Man.

    I'm really starting to get my feelings hurt that everyone here thinks I'm just really, really, really dumb.

    I'll stop talking about school.

    No! Jeep! I was trying to help! It is not obvious if you haven't done a lot of writing and reading on this subject before!

    This is what school is for!

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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    telling people that you're only going to pay for their seeing a nurse is unpopular

    (guess why!)

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Feral wrote: »
    Personally I think the per procedure model of healthcare is a shitty one that encourages overtesting, over utilization and profits over actual results.

    Well, then you get into a similar problem as with education, where the results matter as much (or more) on the characteristics of the customer as they do on the effort or techniques of the professional. You start paying providers based on results and the only providers who treat the elderly, the poor, the mentally ill, and the obese are the providers who are doing it out of some internal moral compass.

    Or

    or

    mandate

    fuck gendered marketing
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    ronyaronya Arrrrrf. the ivory tower's basementRegistered User regular
    Also apropos:
    A story about lawyers will perhaps illustrate the point. At a meeting of lawyers at which problems of admission were being discussed, a colleague of mine, arguing against restrictive admission standards, used an analogy from the automobile industry. Would it not, he said, be absurd if the automobile industry were to argue that no one should drive a low quality car and therefore that no automobile manufacturer should be permitted to produce a car that did not come up to the Cadillac standard. One member of the audience rose and approved the analogy, saying that, of course, the country cannot afford any thing but Cadillac lawyers! This tends to be the professional attitude. The members look solely at technical standards of performance, and argue in effect that we must have only first-rate physicians even if this means that some people get no medical service -- though of course they never put it that way. Nonetheless, the view that people should get only the "optimum" medical service always lead to a restrictive policy, a policy that keeps down the number of physicians. I would not, of course, want to argue that this is the only force at work, but only that this kind of consideration leads many well-meaning physicians to go along with policies that they would reject out-of-hand if they did not have this kind of comforting rationalization.

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    wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    PantsB wrote: »
    Lit crit and art crit is important and valuable but the way they do it in schools and academia is uiuuggghhhbhfhdhrhrhsna

    Where else do they do it?

    Theoretically, anybody could do it anywhere!

    The only requirement is reading a lot and a desire to understand how different texts "interact"

    Psn:wazukki
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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    I don't think you're dumb RF, it is pretty frustrating having to approach the monolith that is liberal arts academia and having to figure out how to talk in that realm without a paddle

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    SanderJKSanderJK Crocodylus Pontifex Sinterklasicus Madrid, 3000 ADRegistered User regular
    Yeah per procedure is really dangerous to nationalized healthcare.
    In the Netherlands everyone in the chain makes a profit if an action is taken by the hospital, except the government and/or next years rates. There's just way to little incentive in the opposite direction.
    One thing I really want out is a per procedure profit for specialists. The primary decisionmaker should not be able to get more money if he takes decision A vs decision B.

    Steam: SanderJK Origin: SanderJK
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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    Podly wrote: »
    senj senj senj make me feel good about myself

    you are v smart and funny and seem like a nice dude

    you like the ladies and the ladies like you back

    you've done enough Ketamine that your nickname is l'il sebastian

    if you had a vagina I would have sex with you

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    VanguardVanguard But now the dream is over. And the insect is awake.Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    wazilla wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Lit crit and art crit is important and valuable but the way they do it in schools and academia is uiuuggghhhbhfhdhrhrhsna

    Where else do they do it?

    Theoretically, anybody could do it anywhere!

    The only requirement is reading a lot and a desire to understand how different texts "interact"

    Define text. You can apply literary criticism to the location of streetlights. The whole world is a "text".

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    Regina FongRegina Fong Allons-y, Alonso Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    How is your job hunt going?

    I put one new application in

    Part of this week I spent volunteering at a nonprofit putting out an amicus brief

    Every job posting I look at comes with a whisper "you're not qualified our they'll never hire you"

    I've been to a couple networking type things

    It's important to stick with it and kind of muscle through the bleakness. Try to treat looking for work as a job, is what they say to do. Create a routine out of it.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    telling people that you're only going to pay for their seeing a nurse is unpopular

    (guess why!)

    because doctor = better

    fuck gendered marketing
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    y2jake215y2jake215 certified Flat Birther theorist the Last Good Boy onlineRegistered User regular
    I'm done with work

    FOR THE WEEK

    CATCH YOU ON THE FLIP SIDE BONERS

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    maybe i'm streaming terrible dj right now if i am its here
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    BeNarwhalBeNarwhal The Work Left Unfinished Registered User regular
    @Cinders that comic is excellent.

    Hello again [chat].

    I have acquired a laptop cable.

    I will get home with moar wine and we will have a good time tonight.

    :winky:

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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    How is your job hunt going?

    I put one new application in

    Part of this week I spent volunteering at a nonprofit putting out an amicus brief

    Every job posting I look at comes with a whisper "you're not qualified our they'll never hire you"

    I've been to a couple networking type things

    you should never let a job posting convince you you're not qualified for it

    people put the weirdest shit in their requirements and they don't mean half of it usually

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    the market for cherries

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    japanjapan Registered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    telling people that you're only going to pay for their seeing a nurse is unpopular

    (guess why!)

    The NHS is pretty keen on telling people straight that they are not getting a particular treatment because they don't need it.

    There are plenty of stories of UK trained doctors working in other countries experiencing a fair degree of culture shock on attempting that.

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    ronya wrote: »
    there's a duty to treat in ED

    ED might not be the bulk of costs, but that doesn't matter - hospitals have discretion over internal allocation of budgets, so if they put ED first in line to be cut, and ED has a duty to treat, then budget control closes the hospital. that's not popular, so there is no call to control budgets

    This doesn't make sense and I'm not sure if it's because I'm not understanding you, or because you're unclear on how US hospitals operate, or because you know something I don't, or because you're not talking about the US here.

    A hospital may decide to close their ED due to budget constraints; this does not result in the closure of the hospital.

    And in fact one of the major problems facing the US right now is ED closures.

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    senj is right

    also I'm not unconvinced that senj is not the spawn from a threeway Robert Redford, Paul Newman, and Steve McQeen had in Shanghai

    follow my music twitter soundcloud tumblr
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    wazillawazilla Having a late dinner Registered User regular
    Vanguard wrote: »
    wazilla wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Lit crit and art crit is important and valuable but the way they do it in schools and academia is uiuuggghhhbhfhdhrhrhsna

    Where else do they do it?

    Theoretically, anybody could do it anywhere!

    The only requirement is reading a lot and a desire to understand how different texts "interact"

    Define text. You can apply literary criticism to the location of streetlights. The whole world is a "text".

    This is correct. The entire world is a text. Thanks, postmodernism.

    Psn:wazukki
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    SenjutsuSenjutsu thot enthusiast Registered User regular
    Podly wrote: »
    senj is right

    also I'm not unconvinced that senj is not the spawn from a threeway Robert Redford, Paul Newman, and Steve McQeen had in Shanghai

    hey

    Project Trinity is still classified

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    Goddamn I can't wait to go back to having my own cubicle.

    No longer shall people judge me for admiring Flex Mentallo's hairy opulence or Nicki Minaj's omnipresent pink locks.

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    ElldrenElldren Is a woman dammit ceterum censeoRegistered User regular
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    How is your job hunt going?

    I put one new application in

    Part of this week I spent volunteering at a nonprofit putting out an amicus brief

    Every job posting I look at comes with a whisper "you're not qualified our they'll never hire you"

    I've been to a couple networking type things

    you should never let a job posting convince you you're not qualified for it

    people put the weirdest shit in their requirements and they don't mean half of it usually

    this has been another episode of "hiring managers don't know what the fuck"

    fuck gendered marketing
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    PantsBPantsB Fake Thomas Jefferson Registered User regular
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Ugggghh

    Na na nana

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    QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
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    So It GoesSo It Goes We keep moving...Registered User regular
    Senjutsu wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    So It Goes wrote: »
    Only took three weeks and minimal effort to arrive at complete demoralization

    How is your job hunt going?

    I put one new application in

    Part of this week I spent volunteering at a nonprofit putting out an amicus brief

    Every job posting I look at comes with a whisper "you're not qualified our they'll never hire you"

    I've been to a couple networking type things

    you should never let a job posting convince you you're not qualified for it

    people put the weirdest shit in their requirements and they don't mean half of it usually

    We would like you to have done this exact same job for ten years but somehow now want to take a pay cut

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    Silas BrownSilas Brown That's hobo style. Registered User regular
    Although probably I'll actually do work at the new job.

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    FeralFeral MEMETICHARIZARD interior crocodile alligator ⇔ ǝɹʇɐǝɥʇ ǝᴉʌoɯ ʇǝloɹʌǝɥɔ ɐ ǝʌᴉɹp ᴉRegistered User regular
    Elldren wrote: »
    Feral wrote: »
    Personally I think the per procedure model of healthcare is a shitty one that encourages overtesting, over utilization and profits over actual results.

    Well, then you get into a similar problem as with education, where the results matter as much (or more) on the characteristics of the customer as they do on the effort or techniques of the professional. You start paying providers based on results and the only providers who treat the elderly, the poor, the mentally ill, and the obese are the providers who are doing it out of some internal moral compass.

    Or

    or

    mandate

    mandating on an individual level is bad times and we shouldn't go there

    every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.

    the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
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    PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    also, my roommate said she was going to be home but ended up having to go do some on-sight fact checking (I HATE HER WORKING FOR THE NEW YORKER WAS MY DREAM JOB WHEN I WAS 17)

    so I've got a half a pot of coffee

    and I've got a big bottle of bailey's

    supposed to meet homegirl's friends tonight that I haven't seen since like sophomore year of college

    THEY'RE GONNA LOVE THE PODLY THEY GET AWWWWW YEAH!

    follow my music twitter soundcloud tumblr
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    OrganichuOrganichu poops peesRegistered User, Moderator mod
    Podly wrote: »
    senj is right

    also I'm not unconvinced that senj is not the spawn from a threeway Robert Redford, Paul Newman, and Steve McQeen had in Shanghai

    have you seen the chin

    kirk douglass was definitely involved, if only in a fluffing capacity

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    EddyEddy Gengar the Bittersweet Registered User regular
    wazilla wrote: »
    Vanguard wrote: »
    wazilla wrote: »
    PantsB wrote: »
    Lit crit and art crit is important and valuable but the way they do it in schools and academia is uiuuggghhhbhfhdhrhrhsna

    Where else do they do it?

    Theoretically, anybody could do it anywhere!

    The only requirement is reading a lot and a desire to understand how different texts "interact"

    Define text. You can apply literary criticism to the location of streetlights. The whole world is a "text".

    This is correct. The entire world is a text. Thanks, postmodernism.

    We're allowing into the arena ever-greater things, like race and gender. This is necessary so eventually we can repoliticize notions such as capitalism and property and even just by doing so, like Milton's Satan, find comfort in knowing that our descendants will live in a world where The Authority was questioned, and thus irrevocably broken in a symbolic way

    "and the morning stars I have seen
    and the gengars who are guiding me" -- W.S. Merwin
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    nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    Podly wrote: »
    that's not what "deconstruct" means

    Deconstruct doesn't have to refer to Derrida or post structural whatevers.

    It can just mean "to disassemble or break down."

    I mean we already have analyze, but that's a more positive synonym

    I am not interested in fighting about my misapplying a word.

    I just wanted to clarify if Podly understood what I was trying to say, or if my misusing this word was so confusing that it ruined my whole post.

    If that happened, I can try to clarify.

    If this is just LOL THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT MEANS U R DUMB

    I have zero interest in entertaining that.

    I am not defending the position of these authors (like 8 of them so far) who wrote essays about the novel being racist.

    But I felt it important to say that these people didn't post essays written in crayon, these are serious academic essays that got published and peer reviewed.

    I'm glad that their view isn't completely dominant (as it would seem to be from the essays that are available to me) but I that doesn't mean these people are idiots or wrote bad essays. These essays are carefully constructed, researched with way more sources than I'm going to use, and basically thoughtful.

    You can have a meticulously researched well-written paper that also happens to be completely wrong.

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