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[PA Comic] Monday, February 25, 2013 - The One True Way
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though for me I realized I could be doing something much more productive than perfecting last hitting minions
yes, you can succeed like that, but it is an uphill battle and most parties will not be willing to try it over the more common strategy.
I suspect it's less about the advice and more about how it was delivered.
ok, i guess, but they've also been playing LoL for years, it isn't like their account is level one and they don't know what an ADC is yet
And thus they accept no deviations whatsoever and rage and yell about it if you do.
Which is why I'm so glad that season 3 shook things up - now you see things like pro teams occasionally running two top, one bot instead, and plenty of lane-swapping.
So I'll just say that this comic made my day.
Screw being stuck to metas for the sake of following the meta.
I suspect that it stems from never playing LoL, ever.
Good comic though.
I like how it's come out, mostly - the strokes are pretty similar to the usual output and it doesn't look like drawing on a smaller surface has damaged your sense of scale, so all the proportions are still good too. My only criticism is around the blacks...
I don't know how it shows up on your screens, but I can visibly see that there is a colour difference between the black hair in the middle, and the black hair on the side panels (it looks redder in the side panels). I can also see visible cutting in lines on the pacman symbol on Gabe's shirt in panel 2.
Except in LoL it's not an uphill battle at all unless you're playing at very high ELO.
But they also talked about all these goddamn strategies and terms associated with the games and it is ridiculous to me how stringent people are about there being a right way and wrong way to play these games. Apparently there's something called a "carry," which is one person on either team who is supposed to get the killing hits on enemies / best items. Everyone else is supposed to support them, or some shit. And there's right / wrong choices for characters to be the carry.
I remember in the original DotA @JAEF would yell at me for "feeding" the other team or whatever, which meant dying once and giving them XP to level up I guess.
Yep, ditto - the outline of the pacman in panel 2 is clearly visible and in Tycho's sweater in panel 3 shows different blues. Not sure if there was some corruption or something when he saved the file, but it does look a little funky.
About the comic: LoL has one of the more toxic player base. At the core is that games last a longish time. I find 20 minute games to be rare, with my average being around 30~35 minutes, with long games going to 45 minutes. Nobody wants to spend that kind of time fighting an uphill battle, so when you end up in a team with someone running something you've never seen before, people tend to assume (not always incorrectly!) that it's a troll pick.
Also, semi relevant funny link: Why your jungler hates you
they don't it be like it is but it do
There's nothing wrong with innovation; indeed, with Season 3 shaking up traditional team compositions as the meta redefines itself, it's a perfect time for it. At the same time, there's a difference between experienced teams innovating new strategies and pub teams where one player demands to play a non-traditional role or pick without or even despite the team's support. And there's an even bigger difference between the former and an inexperienced or new player unfamiliar with the game, strategies, their champions, other champions, and/or the traditional group dynamic.
There exist bot games where pub groups can stomp on AIs to try new champions, or tactics, or non-meta strategies or picks. You could also play with two to four friends, whom you know and can likely communicate and coordinate with more effectively, and would (in theory) be more willing to accept and accommodate aformentioned new champions, tactics, or non-meta strats or picks. But if you solo queue for PVP, the rest of the group builds to the standard meta, and you don't - YOU are the one being disruptive. YOU are the one not being a team player. YOU are the one dragging down four other people, who probably want at least a fairly even match, and don't want to have to potentially carry a non-contributing fifth teammate.
Talk to your teams, folks. It's a team game - it goes beyond your individual desires of fun; you have to take into account the other four individuals you are playing with. And if you can't do that, you should probably stick to single player games.
#2 rule: Never die
Stop breaking the rules Henroid.
Please don't hit me.
I don't think I have ever seen someone miss the point of what's being said so hard or with such indignation.
It's kind of impressive.
Pretty much any game you play online is infested with assholes, but I guess LoL is full of a special brand of asshole? I dunno. My only MOBA experience came from Guardians of Middle Earth on Xbox, and while I didn't run into any big assholes, I did find the whole experience to be rather boring.
MOBA's attract a high percentage of ass holes because the way they're designed makes having bad players on your team less fun.
About the only MOBA's where I haven't had consistent assholes are Awesomenauts and Super Monday Night Combat and that's because they both have shorter matches and a higher focus on individual skill.
Now that I've put some time into Dota 2 (which actually has a functional "vs. AI" mode so I don't have to play in the competitive arena and I can just play with however many friends I have online) I understand some of the concepts more. But coming from WoW, hearing that some classes are actually defined as "carry" (when in WoW, if someone carries a team, it's considered a balance issue or a player problem) baffled me, not even to mention what a heinous sin it is to do damage to minions in the early game aside from last hitting. Stop hitting the enemy and get back to killing your allies, n00b!
I dunno, I have seen a rogue tank quite well, and some fights are even designed for it.
And as has been posted, it's all about how such information is presented. While I never ran with gabe himself, I spent a long time in the Dark Iron PAA guilds raiding, up to the point near the beginning of Cataclysm where my particular raid became the #1 raiding party on the server. And then I left. Why? Because unlike the previous 5 years of running with this group of amazing people, we sacrificed having fun and comradarie and lightheartedness for yelling at people for failure and generally being very hard edged about success at all costs. I made a decision that such was not really the kind of gaming I wanted to do.. and I'm coming up on 2 years without WoW without looking back.
I understand that MOBAs are more akin to a sport. And I understand that sports are very hard nosed. But I've never seen a sport where we yell and scream and cuss at people learning the sport, or where acting like petulent children to our opponents is almost implicitly encouraged. Again: This is supposed to be a source of entertainment and relaxation. It's funny seeing my brother talk about how he was no longer so angry since he stopped playing DOTA2.
This is absolutely correct, but swings both ways. If you are blaming your loss and/or ostracisation on the rest of your team being hostile to your pick or your play, that's exactly the same as someone blaming YOUR play or picks on their failure to contribute.
Here I go:
Most people don't offer constructive criticism, they instead resort to flinging around verbal abuse. And Gabe was never blaming anyone for his losses, he instead criticized the attitudes of people. Being an asshole in a game is seldom excusable.
Except the comic isn't about losing. It's about very bluntly having fun. They aren't blaming people for a loss they're simply saying:
Why in these communities are people more willing to accept the kind of person who we shouldn't associate with due to their attitude over someone who is in it to have fun?
It's a pretty valid point.
How are we supposed to have FUN playing this GAME if you don't DO YOUR RESEARCH and HAND IN YOUR TPS REPORTS?!
I used to have a group of friends who regularly played LoL together, and we actually won many victories just because we took full advantage of the predictability of the meta-game. If the other team had a jungler, we sometimes would take the whole team to just outside the sight range of where junglers start the game. We'd jump him, and kill their jungler before the game was 2 minutes old, and then disperse to our normal lanes. Sometimes just doing that alone was enough to incite a rage-quit.
Other times we'd do things like putting two in middle, intentionally. Our team was in on the plan, so nobody was upset. But man. The other team just didn't know what to do with that.
Yea... they're slightly different blacks. To make sure it wasn't just your saying that influencing me I checked. The black in the sides are 251515 and the black in the middle is 141311... but it's something that you'd probably just note as slightly off unless somebody told you and now you can't unsee it. It also requires a certain level of OCD. :P
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