proxies aren't as cool as having the real thing, or at least that's how my mind always takes it
like I could proxy a lot of things but it's easier for me and feels a lot better if I have an actual copy of a thing
right but if the problem with reprinting reserves is the collectors
and the reason for wanting to reprint reserves is for casual playing
proxies are a pretty easy way to satisfy both. And of course they aren't as cool as having the "real thing," because the real thing is a piece of cardboard worth upwards of $200. But as a thing you use to play the game, a proxy is exactly as effective as the real thing.
proxies aren't as cool as having the real thing, or at least that's how my mind always takes it
like I could proxy a lot of things but it's easier for me and feels a lot better if I have an actual copy of a thing
right but if the problem with reprinting reserves is the collectors
and the reason for wanting to reprint reserves is for casual playing
proxies are a pretty easy way to satisfy both. And of course they aren't as cool as having the "real thing," because the real thing is a piece of cardboard worth upwards of $200. But as a thing you use to play the game, a proxy is exactly as effective as the real thing.
I think the main reason for reprints is so Legacy doesn't become functionally unplayable as all the usable duels waste away with the wear of time.
All eight of their Boros packs have been booked. I assume people are shooting for those because all of the possible rares are baller except for Spark Trooper.
I went with Selesnya, since I haven't used them yet for a prerelease and I feel pretty happy about ending up with Gruul, Simir, Boros or Orzhov as my allied guild.
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tl;dr: due to how hard D&D 4E tanked wotc is consolidating several director roles to encompass all wotc products, so most magic specific ones don't/won't exist, believing that they can leverage the people behind the success of everything else to help push D&D 5E
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edited April 2013
spark trooper is the most baller in limited
also I won a game against a mill deck using the most random angel of glory's rise ever
Basically a sledgehammer deck with the ability to get a giant creature to use the Blood half of Flesh//Blood with. I am unsure if BTE belongs in this deck however. She could be dropped on turn 3 with Varolz as well I suppose.
tl;dr: due to how hard D&D 4E tanked wotc is consolidating several director roles to encompass all wotc products, so most magic specific ones don't/won't exist, believing that they can leverage the people behind the success of everything else to help push D&D 5E
So have people who know nothing bout brand X run brand X. Is there some kind of black magic involved in this idea to make it work? Or do all the directors at WOTC happen to know the ins and outs of all their stuff anyway and as good as the previous brand specific directors?
Not that anyone can answer that, but this just seems like a "Shit, 4E bombed. We need to do SOMETHING....Step 1: Fire People...Step 2: Increase staff size...".
tl;dr: due to how hard D&D 4E tanked wotc is consolidating several director roles to encompass all wotc products, so most magic specific ones don't/won't exist, believing that they can leverage the people behind the success of everything else to help push D&D 5E
So have people who know nothing bout brand X run brand X. Is there some kind of black magic involved in this idea to make it work? Or do all the directors at WOTC happen to know the ins and outs of all their stuff anyway and as good as the previous brand specific directors?
Not that anyone can answer that, but this just seems like a "Shit, 4E bombed. We need to do SOMETHING....Step 1: Fire People...Step 2: Increase staff size...".
it sounds about as retarded to me too
"these guys were in charge of the successful products this year, so they can make this successful too right?"
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
proxies aren't as cool as having the real thing, or at least that's how my mind always takes it
like I could proxy a lot of things but it's easier for me and feels a lot better if I have an actual copy of a thing
right but if the problem with reprinting reserves is the collectors
and the reason for wanting to reprint reserves is for casual playing
proxies are a pretty easy way to satisfy both. And of course they aren't as cool as having the "real thing," because the real thing is a piece of cardboard worth upwards of $200. But as a thing you use to play the game, a proxy is exactly as effective as the real thing.
I think the main reason for reprints is so Legacy doesn't become functionally unplayable as all the usable duels waste away with the wear of time.
this is a huge reason
as far as casual play goes, some people get anal about proxies (yo)
i really hate running proxies and will substitute other, less-good cards until i can get the real deal
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proxies aren't as cool as having the real thing, or at least that's how my mind always takes it
like I could proxy a lot of things but it's easier for me and feels a lot better if I have an actual copy of a thing
right but if the problem with reprinting reserves is the collectors
and the reason for wanting to reprint reserves is for casual playing
proxies are a pretty easy way to satisfy both. And of course they aren't as cool as having the "real thing," because the real thing is a piece of cardboard worth upwards of $200. But as a thing you use to play the game, a proxy is exactly as effective as the real thing.
I think the main reason for reprints is so Legacy doesn't become functionally unplayable as all the usable duels waste away with the wear of time.
this is a huge reason
as far as casual play goes, some people get anal about proxies (yo)
i really hate running proxies and will substitute other, less-good cards until i can get the real deal
I proxy things in my Commander deck if I'm not sure if I'll like it or it'll be a good fit for my deck, but not things I would/could never buy. If it ends up working out I will buy it if the store has it in stock though.
For those who want proxies that look like the real things, don't forget that Collector's Edition (basically the non-tournament legal set some of you proposed) exists. Some of the cards are getting pricey, Black Lotus is at $200, but they're a lot less than their tournament legal counterparts.
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ButtlordFornicusLord of Bondage and PainRegistered Userregular
those get dicey as proxies because the square corners make them easy to feel out and cut to
I think the only real problem 4e had was that when it didn't explode out of the gate, they went through five or six rebrands, competed with themselves via Insider, and tried to parlay it into the collectibles market via the miniatures, and generally made a hash of everything. Die-hard butthurts can claim it was Pathfinder all the way but that don't match the number of people who say they played pathfinder over 4e.
So I haven't played magic in probably 4 years but a friend roped me into the pre-release this weekend. I didn't know what guild to pick so he put me in as Rakdos.
Any general strategies/tips? Also did he give me the worst guild for giggles?
it's not gonna be a great life, but it's better than the alternative
They don't believe in real medicine, but you can visit a Faithmender or Centaur Healer if you ever get sick.
depressing as hell tangent
I saw an article in the paper yesterday that there is couple who believes in faith healing and had a child die in 2009 because they didn't seek medical help and just this year their 8-month old son died because again they didn't seek medical help
It stuck with me because it was just horrible in every way
but seriously that deck gen said I was gonna get a foil blood scrivener and that is bullshit
Basically a sledgehammer deck with the ability to get a giant creature to use the Blood half of Flesh//Blood with. I am unsure if BTE belongs in this deck however. She could be dropped on turn 3 with Varolz as well I suppose.
You are lacking in followups that you can play off of Burning-Tree Emissary. I think you need at least one more set of 2-drops that are castable off him (Firefist Striker, Flunkies, Flinthoof Boar). You have too many 4- and 5- drops, and probably too many lands.
I suspect Flesh//Blood works better in a Jund Midrange deck than a Jund Aggro deck (Farseeks and Thragtusks, not BTE)
Consider making room for Domri Rade.
EDIT: you also have only 11 untapped red sources on turn 1 for 8 red 1-drops. Needs more basic Mountain.
AntimatterDevo Was RightGates of SteelRegistered Userregular
4e had the following problems
nerd backlash
the introduction of more rpgs in a stagnant market
incompetent handling of digital services because ~piracy~
the touchscreen tabletop project got cancelled
the fact that people only needed so much product a year vs mtg
mismarketing of dnd essentials
the failure of the fortune cards
atari refuses to make video games with the 4e license until sued
despite all that, 4e sold better than any prior edition and it still wasnt good enough
nerd backlash
the introduction of more rpgs in a stagnant market
incompetent handling of digital services because ~piracy~
the touchscreen tabletop project got cancelled
the fact that people only needed so much product a year vs mtg
mismarketing of dnd essentials
the failure of the fortune cards
atari refuses to make video games with the 4e license until sued
despite all that, 4e sold better than any prior edition and it still wasnt good enough
if Next flops, hasbro cans dnd for a decade
At this juncture I am prepared to say that D&D lying fallow for a while is not the end of the world. 4e was fun as hell, yea, and I'm sure Next will be fun, but if I want fantasy I have my basis covered by Pathfinder, WHRPG, and 4e. This assumes I even want to play standard dungeon crawl fantasy, which I really haven't in a while, since I (personally) get more engaged by WoD or Eclipse Phase or wacky shit like Colonial Gothic. If I wanted combat-crunchy I'd probably hit Exalted or maybe WHRPG waaay before I went back to D&D.
This is not to indicate that I think D&D is a bad choice or anything, but as you noted the market is a little...saturated at this point.
So I haven't played magic in probably 4 years but a friend roped me into the pre-release this weekend. I didn't know what guild to pick so he put me in as Rakdos.
Any general strategies/tips? Also did he give me the worst guild for giggles?
For Rakdos? Fill up with cheap creatures and removal, unleash them 95% of the time, and attack until the other guy is pounded into a fine paste that is also on fire.
Also don't underestimate how effective Act of Treason/Traitorous Instinct can be.
So I haven't played magic in probably 4 years but a friend roped me into the pre-release this weekend. I didn't know what guild to pick so he put me in as Rakdos.
Any general strategies/tips? Also did he give me the worst guild for giggles?
Sealed deck?
Do your best to play your bombs and removal. Have a plan for opponents' bomb creatures. Include some cards that are good draws in the lategame, even if they might otherwise be subpar.
Yeah its sealed. Thanks guys. Basically "play black/red", but I didn't know about Unleash. That... doesn't really seem to have a downside for this type of deck.
KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
Also keep an eye out for red Gruul cards - the Gruul mechanic "Bloodrush" (discard Bloodrush creature card, pay some mana, an attacking creature gets +X/+Y equal to the Bloodrush creature's P/T and sometimes an ability like trample until end of turn) works nicely with the Rakdos playstyle.
Yeah its sealed. Thanks guys. Basically "play black/red", but I didn't know about Unleash. That... doesn't really seem to have a downside for this type of deck.
Appreciated!
hope you get gruul or maybe boros as your back ups, gruul R/G and their bit is all creatures that double as combat tricks, boros is R/W and their thing is extra effects when 3 or more creatures attack at the same time
Your other back up options are Dimir, Orzhov, Izzet, and Golgari and you dont want those
Yeah its sealed. Thanks guys. Basically "play black/red", but I didn't know about Unleash. That... doesn't really seem to have a downside for this type of deck.
Appreciated!
hope you get gruul or maybe boros as your back ups, gruul R/G and their bit is all creatures that double as combat tricks, boros is R/W and their thing is extra effects when 3 or more creatures attack at the same time
Your other back up options are Dimir, Orzhov, Izzet, and Golgari and you dont want those
I disagree with this, Orzhov has been excellent in Gatecrash sealed and should be at least decent at DGM prerelease sealed.
proxies aren't as cool as having the real thing, or at least that's how my mind always takes it
like I could proxy a lot of things but it's easier for me and feels a lot better if I have an actual copy of a thing
right but if the problem with reprinting reserves is the collectors
and the reason for wanting to reprint reserves is for casual playing
proxies are a pretty easy way to satisfy both. And of course they aren't as cool as having the "real thing," because the real thing is a piece of cardboard worth upwards of $200. But as a thing you use to play the game, a proxy is exactly as effective as the real thing.
Not exactly. Both the competitive and casual scenes have a vested interest in seeing reprints from the reserve list. Proxies could potentially satisfy the casual crowd, but come with their own limitations. The quality of each proxy varies so wildly from person to person that at times it can be difficult to determine what is happening in the game due to the confusion that proxies create. Not to mention the psychological disconnect that is an inherent component of proxies.
This also presumes that the people you play with allow you to use proxies, though that is less of a concern.
It is also not possible to play in any sanctioned Commander events with proxies.
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Yeah its sealed. Thanks guys. Basically "play black/red", but I didn't know about Unleash. That... doesn't really seem to have a downside for this type of deck.
Appreciated!
hope you get gruul or maybe boros as your back ups, gruul R/G and their bit is all creatures that double as combat tricks, boros is R/W and their thing is extra effects when 3 or more creatures attack at the same time
Your other back up options are Dimir, Orzhov, Izzet, and Golgari and you dont want those
I disagree with this, Orzhov has been excellent in Gatecrash sealed and should be at least decent at DGM prerelease sealed.
The problem is with only two extort creatures in DGM (a rare for 4BB and a common for WB) the odds of getting a decent extort base are really low unless your guild pack is stuffed with extort cards (2/8 rares, 3/21 uncommons, 5/26 commons, going by this)
Guildpacks were an amazing crapshoot even in their own prerelease events, if your main guild is rakdos you should hope for a back up guild that is more aggro focused
edit to clarify when I say back up guild I should be saying "ally guild" ie the second "semi random" guild pack you get along with your 4 boosters and your main guild's pack, I don't mean Orzhov is a bad back up choice if they are out of Rakdos main-guilds
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like I could proxy a lot of things but it's easier for me and feels a lot better if I have an actual copy of a thing
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right but if the problem with reprinting reserves is the collectors
and the reason for wanting to reprint reserves is for casual playing
proxies are a pretty easy way to satisfy both. And of course they aren't as cool as having the "real thing," because the real thing is a piece of cardboard worth upwards of $200. But as a thing you use to play the game, a proxy is exactly as effective as the real thing.
I think the main reason for reprints is so Legacy doesn't become functionally unplayable as all the usable duels waste away with the wear of time.
All eight of their Boros packs have been booked. I assume people are shooting for those because all of the possible rares are baller except for Spark Trooper.
I went with Selesnya, since I haven't used them yet for a prerelease and I feel pretty happy about ending up with Gruul, Simir, Boros or Orzhov as my allied guild.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showpost.php?p=10107939&postcount=93
tl;dr: due to how hard D&D 4E tanked wotc is consolidating several director roles to encompass all wotc products, so most magic specific ones don't/won't exist, believing that they can leverage the people behind the success of everything else to help push D&D 5E
also I won a game against a mill deck using the most random angel of glory's rise ever
Boros can be pretty fun
Jund Aggro
4x Vexing Devil
4x Stromkirk Noble
4x Spike Jester
4x Burning-Tree Emmissary
4x Lightning Mauler
4x Varolz
4x Hellrider
3x Thundermaw Hellkite
3x Searing Spear
2x Flesh//Blood
4x Blood Crypt
4x Stomping Ground
4x Overgrown Tomb
3x Mountain
3x Rootbound Crag
3x Dragonskull Summit
3x Woodland Cemetary
Basically a sledgehammer deck with the ability to get a giant creature to use the Blood half of Flesh//Blood with. I am unsure if BTE belongs in this deck however. She could be dropped on turn 3 with Varolz as well I suppose.
So have people who know nothing bout brand X run brand X. Is there some kind of black magic involved in this idea to make it work? Or do all the directors at WOTC happen to know the ins and outs of all their stuff anyway and as good as the previous brand specific directors?
Not that anyone can answer that, but this just seems like a "Shit, 4E bombed. We need to do SOMETHING....Step 1: Fire People...Step 2: Increase staff size...".
Aurelia, the Warleader
Assemble the Legion
Firemane Avenger
Boros Reckoner
Frontline Medic
Legion Loyalist
Molten Primordial
I would humbly submit that all but the last two are more baller than Spark Trooper. And even then Legion Loyalist is pretty okay!
Also I found it! (You may need to scroll up, second from the bottom)
it sounds about as retarded to me too
"these guys were in charge of the successful products this year, so they can make this successful too right?"
this is a huge reason
as far as casual play goes, some people get anal about proxies (yo)
i really hate running proxies and will substitute other, less-good cards until i can get the real deal
I proxy things in my Commander deck if I'm not sure if I'll like it or it'll be a good fit for my deck, but not things I would/could never buy. If it ends up working out I will buy it if the store has it in stock though.
also this has been tread to hell and back but I wish being able to choose your ally guild was the way it was supposed to work
lying little program
it sold great
hasbro just had transformers level expectations for its other "core brands" and chose to make two separate ones instead of making wizards one
They don't believe in real medicine, but you can visit a Faithmender or Centaur Healer if you ever get sick.
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MTG Arena: Snow_Crash#34179
Battle.net: Snowcrash#1873
your mmo will never pull WoW numbers, no mmo will and your dreams of unseating a titan are unfounded you need to reign yourself in son
Any general strategies/tips? Also did he give me the worst guild for giggles?
depressing as hell tangent
It stuck with me because it was just horrible in every way
but seriously that deck gen said I was gonna get a foil blood scrivener and that is bullshit
You are lacking in followups that you can play off of Burning-Tree Emissary. I think you need at least one more set of 2-drops that are castable off him (Firefist Striker, Flunkies, Flinthoof Boar). You have too many 4- and 5- drops, and probably too many lands.
I suspect Flesh//Blood works better in a Jund Midrange deck than a Jund Aggro deck (Farseeks and Thragtusks, not BTE)
Consider making room for Domri Rade.
EDIT: you also have only 11 untapped red sources on turn 1 for 8 red 1-drops. Needs more basic Mountain.
Path of Exile: snowcrash7
MTG Arena: Snow_Crash#34179
Battle.net: Snowcrash#1873
nerd backlash
the introduction of more rpgs in a stagnant market
incompetent handling of digital services because ~piracy~
the touchscreen tabletop project got cancelled
the fact that people only needed so much product a year vs mtg
mismarketing of dnd essentials
the failure of the fortune cards
atari refuses to make video games with the 4e license until sued
despite all that, 4e sold better than any prior edition and it still wasnt good enough
if Next flops, hasbro cans dnd for a decade
Yeah, 2 of mine are Mythic even! I clearly should buy some boosters...
At this juncture I am prepared to say that D&D lying fallow for a while is not the end of the world. 4e was fun as hell, yea, and I'm sure Next will be fun, but if I want fantasy I have my basis covered by Pathfinder, WHRPG, and 4e. This assumes I even want to play standard dungeon crawl fantasy, which I really haven't in a while, since I (personally) get more engaged by WoD or Eclipse Phase or wacky shit like Colonial Gothic. If I wanted combat-crunchy I'd probably hit Exalted or maybe WHRPG waaay before I went back to D&D.
This is not to indicate that I think D&D is a bad choice or anything, but as you noted the market is a little...saturated at this point.
For Rakdos? Fill up with cheap creatures and removal, unleash them 95% of the time, and attack until the other guy is pounded into a fine paste that is also on fire.
Also don't underestimate how effective Act of Treason/Traitorous Instinct can be.
Sealed deck?
Do your best to play your bombs and removal. Have a plan for opponents' bomb creatures. Include some cards that are good draws in the lategame, even if they might otherwise be subpar.
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MTG Arena: Snow_Crash#34179
Battle.net: Snowcrash#1873
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hope you get gruul or maybe boros as your back ups, gruul R/G and their bit is all creatures that double as combat tricks, boros is R/W and their thing is extra effects when 3 or more creatures attack at the same time
Your other back up options are Dimir, Orzhov, Izzet, and Golgari and you dont want those
I disagree with this, Orzhov has been excellent in Gatecrash sealed and should be at least decent at DGM prerelease sealed.
Path of Exile: snowcrash7
MTG Arena: Snow_Crash#34179
Battle.net: Snowcrash#1873
Not exactly. Both the competitive and casual scenes have a vested interest in seeing reprints from the reserve list. Proxies could potentially satisfy the casual crowd, but come with their own limitations. The quality of each proxy varies so wildly from person to person that at times it can be difficult to determine what is happening in the game due to the confusion that proxies create. Not to mention the psychological disconnect that is an inherent component of proxies.
This also presumes that the people you play with allow you to use proxies, though that is less of a concern.
It is also not possible to play in any sanctioned Commander events with proxies.
The problem is with only two extort creatures in DGM (a rare for 4BB and a common for WB) the odds of getting a decent extort base are really low unless your guild pack is stuffed with extort cards (2/8 rares, 3/21 uncommons, 5/26 commons, going by this)
Guildpacks were an amazing crapshoot even in their own prerelease events, if your main guild is rakdos you should hope for a back up guild that is more aggro focused
edit to clarify when I say back up guild I should be saying "ally guild" ie the second "semi random" guild pack you get along with your 4 boosters and your main guild's pack, I don't mean Orzhov is a bad back up choice if they are out of Rakdos main-guilds