I think the tough thing to wrap your head around is that the very first panel has the heading "New York City, today." But many things in the book don't seem to jive at all with what every other Marvel book has going on "today."
That said, it does have a cool post-apocalyptic vibe going for it, and I'm interested to see where it goes from here. But I'm betting it's going to be much more in the vein of AoX than AoA, when all is said and done.
I liked this issue and am exited by the idea of the event as a whole, but man I am not a fan of how forced those solicits sound. "it will change how you see things forever!" Ugh
So this is going to be Marvel's Flashpoint, I assume
aside from the fact that Marvel isn't doing a reboot and never has
it's probably going to shift the existing continuity in some way, but not a way that will have a drastic effect on all of the titles that only just relaunched with Marvel NOW!
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That's what they say
But I wager they really want to get that New52 money from a relaunch
Plus they can bring back Ben Reilly and make it so that the Runaways and Young Avengers and Richard Rider never existed!!!
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The very short recap page at the start had a "glass breaking" effect on the shot of the heroes so it has to be an AU scenario.
It is not an alternate universe. Marvel has said this a billion times.
I think at some point we're splitting hairs
it is a timeline that will be changed/reverted to a more recognizable one at the end of the event
only it looks like instead of an AoA style "someone went back and fucked everything up" it's "things got fucked up, and someone will go back and (mostly) fix it"
so technically everything post-AoU could be considered an alternate universe/timeline if things go as people are predicting
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AoU is going to feed directly back into the Marvel U. Books are tying in and Bendis has said that Guardians is one of the books that will be most effected by its fallout.
It is the current Marvel universe. Now in issue 6 when Wolverine fucks up the timeline then yeah itll be different but it is still the Marvel U.
It isn't an Age of Apocalypse or House of M scenario.
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I get that
but saying this is in no way an AU story implies that after it's over the Marvel U will have a period of dealing with the aftermath, repopulating the earth in the ruins of Ultrons fallen empire and that is just not the case. There are definitely going to be lasting effects from whatever is done to fix this but for the sake of every other title's ongoing stories and continuity most things are going to go back the way they were.
It almost certainly is an AU story, it's just that the post-AoU continuity will be the alternate timeline. Which means Marvel is being entirely honest, but sneaky by insisting that what's happening at the start of AoU is not an alternate universe, because it isn't.
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Is it just me or did all the spiderman dialogue during and after his rescue feel more like amazing than superior. I can Imagine doc being plenty wasted after what ever beat down he received while captured but the writing for it feels way too much like Pete. I dont mean like the forced Pete when he tries to maintain his cover but like old school Pete. it also appeared some of his uniform had shades of blue on it. I thought his costumne became black after superior
I was really surprised by how good the first issue of this was, and I was also please that they didn't make a bunch of obvious, awkward changes to accommodate the way that various characters' status quos have changed since Bendis first wrote this probably 2 or 3 years ago. He also did a great job of writing the characters in this issue, probably the best job he's done since I started reading the Marvel U with Siege and the Heroic Age. Being so self-contained probably helps as well; if this was a bigger event, the issue probably would've been jammed with characters and events rather than just focusing on one situation.
The paper quality and the cover stock were also awesome, and they sort of added to the psychological experience of this being an actual "event" comic. I can't wait to read the rest of this, and I'm planning on reading all the tie-ins as well.
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Is it just me or did all the spiderman dialogue during and after his rescue feel more like amazing than superior. I can Imagine doc being plenty wasted after what ever beat down he received while captured but the writing for it feels way too much like Pete. I dont mean like the forced Pete when he tries to maintain his cover but like old school Pete. it also appeared some of his uniform had shades of blue on it. I thought his costumne became black after superior
this was written well in advance, to give Hitch time to do the art. a lot of costume changes aren't in it either.
I didn't particularly enjoy Hitch's art, unfortunately so it seems less than worth it. I can think of at least a half-dozen artists working for Marvel I'd prefer.
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Thank you for the clarification. Thought I was just misreading the character somehow
Thank you for the clarification. Thought I was just misreading the character somehow
It doesn't really break continuity though. At least what we know doesn't. There are many ways in which this could be resolved in the months between current superior and AoU.
Yeah it's kind of the same reason why Captain America's costume is wrong in Children's Crusade, this stuff was drawn before the new Superior Spider-Man outfit was even designed.
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Marvel Annoouncement via comicvine
this event will wrap this June
Ok now I believe this is marvel's flashpoint. dont care what they say either they are rebooting or there are some massive shakeups coming to marvel
Ok now I believe this is marvel's flashpoint. dont care what they say either they are rebooting or there are some massive shakeups coming to marvel
You're suggesting that Marvel would announce and implement a massive company wide shake up and new reader friendly starting point only to do it again in six months.
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The reboot for DC was seen as a good thing when it was announced, generally. It was six month into it when people realized no one is at the helm of the ship over there.
As for sales, they're now like Marvel: big sales up the top of the charts, and a lot at the bottom, nothing really in the middle like where they were before the reboot.
Ignoring that Marvel doesn't do reboots, why would attempt one after how horribly DCs was received?
Isn't DC doing well in sales?
Yes, and it's wildly regarded ad a mostly good thing, even if Editorial over there is fucking retarded. Sales are up, which is the most important thing though.
Like any relaunch or reboot, you get some good and some bad.
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That said, it does have a cool post-apocalyptic vibe going for it, and I'm interested to see where it goes from here. But I'm betting it's going to be much more in the vein of AoX than AoA, when all is said and done.
You'll be a new man after reading this
aside from the fact that Marvel isn't doing a reboot and never has
it's probably going to shift the existing continuity in some way, but not a way that will have a drastic effect on all of the titles that only just relaunched with Marvel NOW!
But I wager they really want to get that New52 money from a relaunch
Plus they can bring back Ben Reilly and make it so that the Runaways and Young Avengers and Richard Rider never existed!!!
I think at some point we're splitting hairs
it is a timeline that will be changed/reverted to a more recognizable one at the end of the event
only it looks like instead of an AoA style "someone went back and fucked everything up" it's "things got fucked up, and someone will go back and (mostly) fix it"
so technically everything post-AoU could be considered an alternate universe/timeline if things go as people are predicting
they just had one
(I don't take your bait on the Land drawing Young Avengers jokes, and I fall for it on this?)
AoU is going to feed directly back into the Marvel U. Books are tying in and Bendis has said that Guardians is one of the books that will be most effected by its fallout.
It is the current Marvel universe. Now in issue 6 when Wolverine fucks up the timeline then yeah itll be different but it is still the Marvel U.
It isn't an Age of Apocalypse or House of M scenario.
but saying this is in no way an AU story implies that after it's over the Marvel U will have a period of dealing with the aftermath, repopulating the earth in the ruins of Ultrons fallen empire and that is just not the case. There are definitely going to be lasting effects from whatever is done to fix this but for the sake of every other title's ongoing stories and continuity most things are going to go back the way they were.
It almost certainly is an AU story, it's just that the post-AoU continuity will be the alternate timeline. Which means Marvel is being entirely honest, but sneaky by insisting that what's happening at the start of AoU is not an alternate universe, because it isn't.
The paper quality and the cover stock were also awesome, and they sort of added to the psychological experience of this being an actual "event" comic. I can't wait to read the rest of this, and I'm planning on reading all the tie-ins as well.
this was written well in advance, to give Hitch time to do the art. a lot of costume changes aren't in it either.
I didn't particularly enjoy Hitch's art, unfortunately so it seems less than worth it. I can think of at least a half-dozen artists working for Marvel I'd prefer.
It doesn't really break continuity though. At least what we know doesn't. There are many ways in which this could be resolved in the months between current superior and AoU.
Ok now I believe this is marvel's flashpoint. dont care what they say either they are rebooting or there are some massive shakeups coming to marvel
You're suggesting that Marvel would announce and implement a massive company wide shake up and new reader friendly starting point only to do it again in six months.
You get that right?
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Isn't DC doing well in sales?
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As for sales, they're now like Marvel: big sales up the top of the charts, and a lot at the bottom, nothing really in the middle like where they were before the reboot.
Yes, and it's wildly regarded ad a mostly good thing, even if Editorial over there is fucking retarded. Sales are up, which is the most important thing though.
Like any relaunch or reboot, you get some good and some bad.
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Just focus on earth eleventysix and wrap up 616 with some happy endings and you're good.
They aren't doing that though.
Maybe love is too strong a word...
are you uh
reading New Avengers right now?
depends on the Avenger, Wolverine and Black Widow are obviously killers for example.
And we don't know how long post-Ultron this is taking place
Have you ever seen Wolverine in a comic book? He is (was?) an Avenger.
My guess is the Superior AU issue will show some sort of horrific event prior to the events of AoU 1 and 2 that "kills" Octavius' personality.
Which explains