So I just got to the Swarm Hosts mission. Is it just me or do they just really suck? Like, hard. They're not invisible when burrowed, and their little dudes die pretty dang quick. Also it seemed like half of mine weren't actually making guys, since their back bubbles never disappeared. Do they not make guys if they're too bunched up?
I haven't gotten to that mission but generally swarm hosts are really weak in small numbers, but when you hit a certain critical mass, they're unstoppable (vs ground at least).
Until you hit that critical mass though, you gotta supplement firepower / defense with something else.
Odd that they're not invisible when burrowed... maybe they do that just for the campaign.
Normally good to either have a few queens and / or a couple of spores with your hosts.
I haven't gotten to that mission but generally swarm hosts are really weak in small numbers, but when you hit a certain critical mass, they're unstoppable (vs ground at least).
Until you hit that critical mass though, you gotta supplement firepower / defense with something else.
Odd that they're not invisible when burrowed... maybe they do that just for the campaign.
Normally good to either have a few queens and / or a couple of spores with your hosts.
Or hydras, at least in multiplayer.
I'd like to see the imba a fuck mutations from HotS singleplayer vs the imba as fuck upgrades in WoL singleplayer.
Hey, you know what *I* want to see in HoTS? A recreation of the Belial fight from Diablo 3! In the SC2 engine, with SC2 unit pathing and precision of unit control! Also, make sure to throw down creep mobs like chaff to ensure that moving Kerrigan alone is a huge challenge, to say nothing of the rest of your units!
I may choose to wait until very late at night when nobody can see, dial the difficulty down to "How I maek unit" and get on with my life.
It was mostly about being conservative with energy, even though spamming that charge ability to deal with the mobs, so you could heal yourself up every now and then.
I'm kinda disappointed that your mob sidekicks were utterly irrelevant, and in some fights actually made it harder due to being in the way, on the primal bosses. I kinda tried to micro to keep them alive the first coupla times, and after saying "fuck that" and just ran around with kerrigan it felt a mirrion times easier.
The final Zeras fight secret:
You can hide out indefinitely in the top corner with burrow - you'll never get hit by the whacking tentacles. Pop up every now and again and using leaping strike on him, then run to the top and burrow.
So I just got to the Swarm Hosts mission. Is it just me or do they just really suck? Like, hard. They're not invisible when burrowed, and their little dudes die pretty dang quick. Also it seemed like half of mine weren't actually making guys, since their back bubbles never disappeared. Do they not make guys if they're too bunched up?
Time to restart this mission.
In multiplayer they're burrowed, in singleplayer you have to select the mutation for it. When you press C for spawn locust you gotta hit an area that's inside the cirlces for all of them to make em spawn or do it in groups, that'll stagger the spawning as well. In multiplayer you just right click somewhere and all of them will rally there.
So I just got to the Swarm Hosts mission. Is it just me or do they just really suck? Like, hard. They're not invisible when burrowed, and their little dudes die pretty dang quick. Also it seemed like half of mine weren't actually making guys, since their back bubbles never disappeared. Do they not make guys if they're too bunched up?
Time to restart this mission.
In multiplayer they're burrowed, in singleplayer you have to select the mutation for it. When you press C for spawn locust you gotta hit an area that's inside the cirlces for all of them to make em spawn or do it in groups, that'll stagger the spawning as well. In multiplayer you just right click somewhere and all of them will rally there.
Yeah I guess that makes sense. The way they work in multi seems so much more intuitive (haven't played but have seen replays etc) that having to deal with the clunkiness of them in the campaign was a small let-down. And yeah, obviously haven't gotten to the mutation part yet.
So I just got to the Swarm Hosts mission. Is it just me or do they just really suck? Like, hard. They're not invisible when burrowed, and their little dudes die pretty dang quick. Also it seemed like half of mine weren't actually making guys, since their back bubbles never disappeared. Do they not make guys if they're too bunched up?
Time to restart this mission.
In multiplayer they're burrowed, in singleplayer you have to select the mutation for it. When you press C for spawn locust you gotta hit an area that's inside the cirlces for all of them to make em spawn or do it in groups, that'll stagger the spawning as well. In multiplayer you just right click somewhere and all of them will rally there.
Yeah I guess that makes sense. The way they work in multi seems so much more intuitive (haven't played but have seen replays etc) that having to deal with the clunkiness of them in the campaign was a small let-down. And yeah, obviously haven't gotten to the mutation part yet.
Mutation as in the one you can switch around, not the evolution mission you get. You'll get it right after the end of the mission.
I haven't gotten to that mission but generally swarm hosts are really weak in small numbers, but when you hit a certain critical mass, they're unstoppable (vs ground at least).
Until you hit that critical mass though, you gotta supplement firepower / defense with something else.
Odd that they're not invisible when burrowed... maybe they do that just for the campaign.
Normally good to either have a few queens and / or a couple of spores with your hosts.
Or hydras, at least in multiplayer.
I'd like to see the imba a fuck mutations from HotS singleplayer vs the imba as fuck upgrades in WoL singleplayer.
That would be cool, but I think such a thing needs to wait until we see the imba as fuck enhancements that the Protoss get in the next expansion.
Allright, let's take a vote. What would be more OP in a multiplayer match. WOL terran, or HOT zerg.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
@Kambing Did you do all 3 level achievements on Brutal each time? That would be damn impressive.
I'm enjoying Brutal a lot. Also Raptorlings are fuckballs amazing.
Nah, didn't even know what the achievements were when I was going through brutal for the first time. However, got most of them on that run anyways.
The Mastery achievements were interesting. A few had me sitting down and thinking for a bit. One of them I had to go into the map editor to check the win condition and make sure it wasn't bugged. Turns out it wasn't --- I just needed high ground vision for two towers that I didn't see for 3 attempts in a row. >_<
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Allright, let's take a vote. What would be more OP in a multiplayer match. WOL terran, or HOT zerg.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
Also, Kerrigan.
Zerg, by far. The double drones alone are game changers. Also, can you imagine jumping zergling base harass on certain maps?
Allright, let's take a vote. What would be more OP in a multiplayer match. WOL terran, or HOT zerg.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
Also, Kerrigan.
Zerg, by far. The double drones alone are game changers. Also, can you imagine jumping zergling base harass on certain maps?
um, yeah, I don't even think it's close. Zerg for the win.
Allright, let's take a vote. What would be more OP in a multiplayer match. WOL terran, or HOT zerg.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
Also, Kerrigan.
Zerg, by far. The double drones alone are game changers. Also, can you imagine jumping zergling base harass on certain maps?
That's prob. the easiest mission in the entire campaign on brutal.
You simply 1, not even 1A (cause telling it to attack makes it stop moving).
Oh and yeah a banshee cluster bomb on a mineral line would be insane.
It'd be like a hellion drop, that 2-hits workers (which blue flame doesn't anymore), from the air, with the hellions being in the perfect position to begin with.
Finished this at about 3AM yesteday. Today is not a good day :P
Nice campaign overall. Was expecting a bit more from the evolution/mutation things (Maybe more options? More customization with mutually exclusive mutations?) but it was OK on that part.
Also, Swarmhosts:
I love the evolution to tunnel through. You put 8 of them in a tight group, give them the burrowing mutation and you get a strike team capable of defending your bases at any place. You only need to care for anti-air, but Kerrigan does that for me :P
Allright, let's take a vote. What would be more OP in a multiplayer match. WOL terran, or HOT zerg.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
Also, Kerrigan.
If you're counting Kerrigan, do the Terrans get some hero units too? Rory tossing out some turrets could hold off a lot of early zergling harass.
Build some of the super-bunkers loaded with the mercs that you can get in the campaign and I think it'd hold off the swarmlings. And of course, if you try to crank out a lot of swarmlings, that's going to suck your cash reserves dry, especially early game where they'd do the most good.
I think that swarmlings, while a nice trick, wouldn't stay effective very long. Now, if the Zerg get to keep their insane larva production from the campaign, then yeah. This one goes to the Zerg.
Either way, I'd think it'd be an entertaining match to watch.
Bunkers are pretty useless against leaping banelings that do double damage
And I agree, someone should mod up some maps where you get the WOL/HOTS units and upgrades. I would love to see pros play with the horrific unbalance in a showmatch
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That's prob. the easiest mission in the entire campaign on brutal.
You simply 1, not even 1A (cause telling it to attack makes it stop moving).
Oh and yeah a banshee cluster bomb on a mineral line would be insane.
It'd be like a hellion drop, that 2-hits workers (which blue flame doesn't anymore), from the air, with the hellions being in the perfect position to begin with.
ed: CLOAKED!
ed2: WITH HEALING SCIENCE VESSELS!!!!
Splash damage Thors with science vessels LLLOOOOOLLLLLLL
Allright, let's take a vote. What would be more OP in a multiplayer match. WOL terran, or HOT zerg.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
Also, Kerrigan.
If you're counting Kerrigan, do the Terrans get some hero units too? Rory tossing out some turrets could hold off a lot of early zergling harass.
Build some of the super-bunkers loaded with the mercs that you can get in the campaign and I think it'd hold off the swarmlings. And of course, if you try to crank out a lot of swarmlings, that's going to suck your cash reserves dry, especially early game where they'd do the most good.
I think that swarmlings, while a nice trick, wouldn't stay effective very long. Now, if the Zerg get to keep their insane larva production from the campaign, then yeah. This one goes to the Zerg.
Either way, I'd think it'd be an entertaining match to watch.
If I was building the custom game, then yes, terran would get a hero, too. Could you imagine an RTS game where you have a hero unit that was essential to your army comp. It'd be awesome. Wonder why no game company ever in the history of the world thought of doing something like that.
Allright, let's take a vote. What would be more OP in a multiplayer match. WOL terran, or HOT zerg.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
Also, Kerrigan.
If you're counting Kerrigan, do the Terrans get some hero units too? Rory tossing out some turrets could hold off a lot of early zergling harass.
Build some of the super-bunkers loaded with the mercs that you can get in the campaign and I think it'd hold off the swarmlings. And of course, if you try to crank out a lot of swarmlings, that's going to suck your cash reserves dry, especially early game where they'd do the most good.
I think that swarmlings, while a nice trick, wouldn't stay effective very long. Now, if the Zerg get to keep their insane larva production from the campaign, then yeah. This one goes to the Zerg.
Either way, I'd think it'd be an entertaining match to watch.
If I was building the custom game, then yes, terran would get a hero, too. Could you imagine an RTS game where you have a hero unit that was essential to your army comp. It'd be awesome. Wonder why no game company ever in the history of the world thought of doing something like that.
Allright, let's take a vote. What would be more OP in a multiplayer match. WOL terran, or HOT zerg.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
Also, Kerrigan.
If you're counting Kerrigan, do the Terrans get some hero units too? Rory tossing out some turrets could hold off a lot of early zergling harass.
Build some of the super-bunkers loaded with the mercs that you can get in the campaign and I think it'd hold off the swarmlings. And of course, if you try to crank out a lot of swarmlings, that's going to suck your cash reserves dry, especially early game where they'd do the most good.
I think that swarmlings, while a nice trick, wouldn't stay effective very long. Now, if the Zerg get to keep their insane larva production from the campaign, then yeah. This one goes to the Zerg.
Either way, I'd think it'd be an entertaining match to watch.
If I was building the custom game, then yes, terran would get a hero, too. Could you imagine an RTS game where you have a hero unit that was essential to your army comp. It'd be awesome. Wonder why no game company ever in the history of the world thought of doing something like that.
Are you being serious?
Because that's all WC3 is.
I have another idea. What if you only controlled the hero, and your units were made automatically and sent down lanes to attack the enemy.
The worst part about this is that I'm hosting an MLG viewing party this Sunday
and half the peeps coming want to play LoL
ugh....
/women
Does this mean you won't be on mumble? MLG is more fun to watch when people are on mumble. At least for me, since I have no real life starcraft friends. They're all Halo/Call of Duty nuts.
We're veering into the other thread territory, but for anyone enjoying the single player experience MLG is a good place to stick your toe in the water of the e-sports/multiplayer side of things. Normal stream is free, MLG has the best commentators for the play by play, the best player pool this side of Korea (including some of the best Koreans of GSL and KESPA) and high production quality. I'd anticipate an extra effort to make it accessible since its right after HotS release
The Winter Championship in Dallas, Texas, from March 15-17 will include an invite-only, 32-player, StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm exhibition tournament just days after the game is released. The 28 players who won their Winter Season Showdowns will join the top four (Life, Leenock, Flash, Bomber) from the MLG 2012 Fall Championship to compete in a single elimination bracket for $75,000 and a first place prize of $25,000.
All matches will be broadcast via two streams.Watch all the action FREE in 720p at www.majorleaguegaming.com. Purchase a Premium Upgrade to watch in 1080p HD and unlock premium chat features.
Spectator and VIP Passes are available now in the MLG Store. Buy online and save $15!
Back to single player:
Roach evolution
No temptation for the other choice. Roachlings all day
We're veering into the other thread territory, but for anyone enjoying the single player experience MLG is a good place to stick your toe in the water of the e-sports/multiplayer side of things. Normal stream is free, MLG has the best commentators for the play by play, the best player pool this side of Korea (including some of the best Koreans of GSL and KESPA) and high production quality. I'd anticipate an extra effort to make it accessible since its right after HotS release
The Winter Championship in Dallas, Texas, from March 15-17 will include an invite-only, 32-player, StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm exhibition tournament just days after the game is released. The 28 players who won their Winter Season Showdowns will join the top four (Life, Leenock, Flash, Bomber) from the MLG 2012 Fall Championship to compete in a single elimination bracket for $75,000 and a first place prize of $25,000.
All matches will be broadcast via two streams.Watch all the action FREE in 720p at www.majorleaguegaming.com. Purchase a Premium Upgrade to watch in 1080p HD and unlock premium chat features.
Spectator and VIP Passes are available now in the MLG Store. Buy online and save $15!
Back to single player:
Roach evolution
No temptation for the other choice. Roachlings all day
Baneling
Banelings that can jump, not just a joke any more
It turns out that roachlings are kind of crap. The atk speed debuff/slow are awesome. ^_^
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Time to restart this mission.
Until you hit that critical mass though, you gotta supplement firepower / defense with something else.
Odd that they're not invisible when burrowed... maybe they do that just for the campaign.
Normally good to either have a few queens and / or a couple of spores with your hosts.
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Or hydras, at least in multiplayer.
I'd like to see the imba a fuck mutations from HotS singleplayer vs the imba as fuck upgrades in WoL singleplayer.
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
The final Zeras fight secret:
In multiplayer they're burrowed, in singleplayer you have to select the mutation for it. When you press C for spawn locust you gotta hit an area that's inside the cirlces for all of them to make em spawn or do it in groups, that'll stagger the spawning as well. In multiplayer you just right click somewhere and all of them will rally there.
Yeah I guess that makes sense. The way they work in multi seems so much more intuitive (haven't played but have seen replays etc) that having to deal with the clunkiness of them in the campaign was a small let-down. And yeah, obviously haven't gotten to the mutation part yet.
Mutation as in the one you can switch around, not the evolution mission you get. You'll get it right after the end of the mission.
Tonight is day 2 of hots for me! yaaaaayy
being busy / having a social life sucks
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This was my favorite mission so far. Really intense. They did a good job with it.
I'm enjoying Brutal a lot. Also Raptorlings are fuckballs amazing.
I'm gonna have to go with zerg, because most of the imba WOL stuff comes early mid game, whereas zerg has super imba 3 at a time instant spawning zerglings right as the game starts.
Also, Kerrigan.
Nah, didn't even know what the achievements were when I was going through brutal for the first time. However, got most of them on that run anyways.
The Mastery achievements were interesting. A few had me sitting down and thinking for a bit. One of them I had to go into the map editor to check the win condition and make sure it wasn't bugged. Turns out it wasn't --- I just needed high ground vision for two towers that I didn't see for 3 attempts in a row. >_<
Zerg, by far. The double drones alone are game changers. Also, can you imagine jumping zergling base harass on certain maps?
Jumping Zerglings means you could proxy baneling on some maps and that'd be the most cruel thing to ever exist.
um, yeah, I don't even think it's close. Zerg for the win.
Oops, sorry. Guess I should have spoilered my opinion. But if you didn't know about jumping zerglings, then you also probably don't know about
Same here...
But I don't know... a tower that mind controls zerg units or has perma slow down on an area? Ouch.
Or tech lab reactor in one? Ouch x 2.
Or marines that simply land behind your mineral line as rally points?
Yeah....
(keep in mind I have barely seen hots campaign)
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Raptorlings in multi...good lord. Cliff climbing, enemy charging, 7 damage zerglings
That's prob. the easiest mission in the entire campaign on brutal.
You simply 1, not even 1A (cause telling it to attack makes it stop moving).
Oh and yeah a banshee cluster bomb on a mineral line would be insane.
It'd be like a hellion drop, that 2-hits workers (which blue flame doesn't anymore), from the air, with the hellions being in the perfect position to begin with.
ed: CLOAKED!
ed2: WITH HEALING SCIENCE VESSELS!!!!
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Nice campaign overall. Was expecting a bit more from the evolution/mutation things (Maybe more options? More customization with mutually exclusive mutations?) but it was OK on that part.
Also, Swarmhosts:
I mean its near the end but basically INVISIBLE TELEPORTING ARMADA OF LOCUSTS
Build some of the super-bunkers loaded with the mercs that you can get in the campaign and I think it'd hold off the swarmlings. And of course, if you try to crank out a lot of swarmlings, that's going to suck your cash reserves dry, especially early game where they'd do the most good.
I think that swarmlings, while a nice trick, wouldn't stay effective very long. Now, if the Zerg get to keep their insane larva production from the campaign, then yeah. This one goes to the Zerg.
Either way, I'd think it'd be an entertaining match to watch.
the BIG one
and all the mercenaries
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And I agree, someone should mod up some maps where you get the WOL/HOTS units and upgrades. I would love to see pros play with the horrific unbalance in a showmatch
Splash damage Thors with science vessels LLLOOOOOLLLLLLL
If I was building the custom game, then yes, terran would get a hero, too. Could you imagine an RTS game where you have a hero unit that was essential to your army comp. It'd be awesome. Wonder why no game company ever in the history of the world thought of doing something like that.
Are you being serious?
Because that's all WC3 is.
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I have another idea. What if you only controlled the hero, and your units were made automatically and sent down lanes to attack the enemy.
I'm full of amazing ideas today.
The worst part about this is that I'm hosting an MLG viewing party this Sunday
and half the peeps coming want to play LoL
ugh....
/women
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Does this mean you won't be on mumble? MLG is more fun to watch when people are on mumble. At least for me, since I have no real life starcraft friends. They're all Halo/Call of Duty nuts.
I'll be on all day Saturday though, catching up on some HotS campaigns
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That's cool. I'm also dying to play some HOTS 4s for some strange reason. Probly cause I'm crazy.
Back to single player:
Roach evolution
QEDMF xbl: PantsB G+
It turns out that roachlings are kind of crap. The atk speed debuff/slow are awesome. ^_^