So, just finished playing through the original Mass Effect on PC, and now I'm starting ME2. Grabbed Kasumi and Shadowbroker, but contemplating grabbing either Arrival or Overlord. Any suggestions?
Both Arrival and Overlord are pretty good. Arrival adds to the main plot and Overlord gives (more) insight into Cerberus, plus it has a really good ending.
Not as good as Shadowbroker, but it's kinda hard to beat Shadowbroker.
Unless you are Citadel DLC.
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So, just finished playing through the original Mass Effect on PC, and now I'm starting ME2. Grabbed Kasumi and Shadowbroker, but contemplating grabbing either Arrival or Overlord. Any suggestions?
I think, should we get that far, I might actually have my players split up for those. Shepard does Arrival alone, and Zaeed/Garrus/Kaidan handle Overlord.
Well aliens communicate with each other through universal translators, right? If so then it is somewhat weird that the translator chooses to give Quarians and Protheans an accent for some reason.
It's no different than star trek. Universal translators are just a sci fi kludge. If all conversations were actually in alien language translated in majel barrets voice via communicator it would not be very good.
The accents are just for flavor.
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Not only did people whine that Javik was "so racist" they also claimed that bioware was forcing gay sex on everyone.
What was the argument for Javik being racist? "OH I GUESS BIOWARE THINKS ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE ANCIENT ALIEN RACES!" I'm bored of American & English aliens.
Javik has one of the best voices because he reminds me of Martian Manhunter from Justice League Unlimited.
I think the accent was the problem? That he had a "faked up" "Jamaican" accent. Not recognizing that that is actually Ike Amadi's for real accent.*
*Full disclosure: Even though I knew that Javik's accent was African and not Jamaican, at first I thought it was a fake one, also. Though I never accused Bioware of racism for it.
Well aliens communicate with each other through universal translators, right? If so then it is somewhat weird that the translator chooses to give Quarians and Protheans an accent for some reason.
It's no different than star trek. Universal translators are just a sci fi kludge. If all conversations were actually in alien language translated in majel barrets voice via communicator it would not be very good.
The accents are just for flavor.
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Not only did people whine that Javik was "so racist" they also claimed that bioware was forcing gay sex on everyone.
What was the argument for Javik being racist? "OH I GUESS BIOWARE THINKS ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE ANCIENT ALIEN RACES!" I'm bored of American & English aliens.
Javik has one of the best voices because he reminds me of Martian Manhunter from Justice League Unlimited.
I think the accent was the problem? That he had a "faked up" "Jamaican" accent. Not recognizing that that is actually Ike Amadi's for real accent.*
*Full disclosure: Even though I knew that Javik's accent was African and not Jamaican, at first I thought it was a fake one, also. Though I never accused Bioware of racism for it.
*Even fuller disclosure: What a hottie
The early leaked dialogue comments on Youtube were particularly hilarious in their ignorance, as always.
"This guy sucks so bad! He doesn't even sound like a real black person!"
Well I consider Overlord to be merely mediocre, while I think Arrival is just lame. Object Rho was a cool little battle arena back in the day, but we have ME3 now.
Well, I decided to switch it up and end the age of adas/graal and went for lancer/reegar instead. Lancer continues to be the best weapon of all time but I am still not so sure on the reegar. Maybe it's just that I only have level one of it. With incendiary ammo, the lancer just cuts through mooks and the HV barrel means that it chips away bosses quite well, but we randomed collectors so the host booked it at wave 4 or something.
Ugh. Still managed to finish the objective on wave six. I'm so used to the Lancer on turians that having to compensate for its climb made me confused.
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
Things are going great. You managed to survive Soldier Shepard's Cain shot, so that's out of play... then all of a sudden Renegade Infiltrator Shepard starts peppering the battlefield with scorpion rounds. Doesn't seem to be a big deal until your squadmates start going down and it becomes apparent renegade Shepard is using the missile glitch.
Well aliens communicate with each other through universal translators, right? If so then it is somewhat weird that the translator chooses to give Quarians and Protheans an accent for some reason.
It's no different than star trek. Universal translators are just a sci fi kludge. If all conversations were actually in alien language translated in majel barrets voice via communicator it would not be very good.
The accents are just for flavor.
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Not only did people whine that Javik was "so racist" they also claimed that bioware was forcing gay sex on everyone.
What was the argument for Javik being racist? "OH I GUESS BIOWARE THINKS ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE ANCIENT ALIEN RACES!" I'm bored of American & English aliens.
Javik has one of the best voices because he reminds me of Martian Manhunter from Justice League Unlimited.
Let's not confuse things here. Javik is a racist. You could argue the point with him but he'd probably just threaten to enslave you because of your race.
As for people being upset about Javik's accent. Well, they don't seem to prevalent these days.
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
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Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
Things are going great. You managed to survive Soldier Shepard's Cain shot, so that's out of play... then all of a sudden Renegade Infiltrator Shepard starts peppering the battlefield with scorpion rounds. Doesn't seem to be a big deal until your squadmates start going down and it becomes apparent renegade Shepard is using the missile glitch.
Well aliens communicate with each other through universal translators, right? If so then it is somewhat weird that the translator chooses to give Quarians and Protheans an accent for some reason.
It's no different than star trek. Universal translators are just a sci fi kludge. If all conversations were actually in alien language translated in majel barrets voice via communicator it would not be very good.
The accents are just for flavor.
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Not only did people whine that Javik was "so racist" they also claimed that bioware was forcing gay sex on everyone.
What was the argument for Javik being racist? "OH I GUESS BIOWARE THINKS ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE ANCIENT ALIEN RACES!" I'm bored of American & English aliens.
Javik has one of the best voices because he reminds me of Martian Manhunter from Justice League Unlimited.
Let's not confuse things here. Javik is a racist. You could argue the point with him but he'd probably just threaten to enslave you because of your race.
As for people being upset about Javik's accent. Well, they don't seem to prevalent these days.
The best thing about the character Javik and his blatant speciesism is that he gets a pass, whereas Ashley is teh SPACE HITLER. :P
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Well aliens communicate with each other through universal translators, right? If so then it is somewhat weird that the translator chooses to give Quarians and Protheans an accent for some reason.
It's no different than star trek. Universal translators are just a sci fi kludge. If all conversations were actually in alien language translated in majel barrets voice via communicator it would not be very good.
The accents are just for flavor.
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Not only did people whine that Javik was "so racist" they also claimed that bioware was forcing gay sex on everyone.
What was the argument for Javik being racist? "OH I GUESS BIOWARE THINKS ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE ANCIENT ALIEN RACES!" I'm bored of American & English aliens.
Javik has one of the best voices because he reminds me of Martian Manhunter from Justice League Unlimited.
I also wonder if maybe it isn't just a tad bit racist to automatically assume that giving a job to a voice actor who doesn't sound anglo/american is zomg racist in itself.
It's like "How dare you publicly display these voices that don't sound like mine I am offended."
crap... I unlocked the awakened collector the other night but I was too drunk to remember it... just booted up ME3 on the laptop and my green collector stares back at me when entering multiplayer!
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
Shepard gets time dilation.
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Calling Vega "Bolt Largemeats" or "Rock Hardabs" still makes me laugh, though.
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
Shepard gets time dilation.
yeah, once you get that working in multiplayer you let me know
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Oh, now I remember why people claimed Javik was "racist".
It's because internet voice experts* declared it a fake Caribbean accent or something stupid like that. The VA is, IIRC from South Africa and his accent isn't fake, it's just not the accent that white-knight anti-internet-racism activists assumed it was.
So yes, the controversy is exactly as stupid as you though it was.
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
Shepard gets time dilation.
yeah, once you get that working in multiplayer you let me know
I think Max Payne 3 had it where when one guy used it (it's like a power up bar that took a chunk of time to fill) it would slow time for everyone he could see while he did his dive.
Not saying it worked but you could definitely represent time dialation from a Widow Shep in multiplayer simply by putting a slow on anyone caught with in his scope.
Never mind just doing it Killing Floor style in the vain of 'it looks fucking cool'.
Well aliens communicate with each other through universal translators, right? If so then it is somewhat weird that the translator chooses to give Quarians and Protheans an accent for some reason.
It's no different than star trek. Universal translators are just a sci fi kludge. If all conversations were actually in alien language translated in majel barrets voice via communicator it would not be very good.
The accents are just for flavor.
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Not only did people whine that Javik was "so racist" they also claimed that bioware was forcing gay sex on everyone.
What was the argument for Javik being racist? "OH I GUESS BIOWARE THINKS ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE ANCIENT ALIEN RACES!" I'm bored of American & English aliens.
Javik has one of the best voices because he reminds me of Martian Manhunter from Justice League Unlimited.
Let's not confuse things here. Javik is a racist. You could argue the point with him but he'd probably just threaten to enslave you because of your race.
As for people being upset about Javik's accent. Well, they don't seem to prevalent these days.
The best thing about the character Javik and his blatant speciesism is that he gets a pass, whereas Ashley is teh SPACE HITLER. :P
Javik CAN tell the difference between the animals and the aliens, he just treats everyone like animals.
Meanwhile, Shepard wonders what these big stupid jellyfish on the Presidium are. Wildlife? Pets? Who knows?
Ashley is space Hitler. By the way, have you hear the new joke about committing genocide against the Batarians? It's hilarious!
In all seriousness, I think my cannon Shepard (first playthrough) had more 'racists' gaffs than Ashley. (Humans right? Anthropocentric bag of dicks.)
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
Shepard gets time dilation.
yeah, once you get that working in multiplayer you let me know
I think Max Payne 3 had it where when one guy used it (it's like a power up bar that took a chunk of time to fill) it would slow time for everyone he could see while he did his dive.
Not saying it worked but you could definitely represent time dialation from a Widow Shep in multiplayer simply by putting a slow on anyone caught with in his scope.
Never mind just doing it Killing Floor style in the vain of 'it looks fucking cool'.
hmm, i can see that working, might even help locate the sneaky bastard too.
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AI doesn't need slow time down to improve its accuracy though. It would be a pretty needless drag on the flow of game. They can just give AI infiltrator shepard whatever level of accuracy they felt was appropriate. It's not like enemy snipers take time to physically aim their shots. If it's not actually a slow moving projectile, the game decides based on a number of factors (like cover, how fast the player target is moving, and how long the enemy has been aware of the player targets location without losing track of him or her) and then just decides whether it's a hit or not.
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
Shepard gets time dilation.
yeah, once you get that working in multiplayer you let me know
I think Max Payne 3 had it where when one guy used it (it's like a power up bar that took a chunk of time to fill) it would slow time for everyone he could see while he did his dive.
Not saying it worked but you could definitely represent time dialation from a Widow Shep in multiplayer simply by putting a slow on anyone caught with in his scope.
Never mind just doing it Killing Floor style in the vain of 'it looks fucking cool'.
No that wouldn't work. It works in Max Payne because everyone who sees anyone else in slow motion, starting from the user, is affectec. Meaning you either A. don't see it or B. are slowed down as well. It elliminates the problem of having someone who's slowed vs. someone who isn't by slowing the latter as soon as he sees the former.
Having some people slowed that are within sight of someone in MP but not anyone else has the problem of any second viewer who sees the ones slowed down without being slowed down him/herself.
Which is especially a problem since most MP maps are extremely open, whereas most maps in Max Payne are really segmented.
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
Shepard gets time dilation.
yeah, once you get that working in multiplayer you let me know
I think Max Payne 3 had it where when one guy used it (it's like a power up bar that took a chunk of time to fill) it would slow time for everyone he could see while he did his dive.
Not saying it worked but you could definitely represent time dialation from a Widow Shep in multiplayer simply by putting a slow on anyone caught with in his scope.
Never mind just doing it Killing Floor style in the vain of 'it looks fucking cool'.
hmm, i can see that working, might even help locate the sneaky bastard too.
Yeah, I mean I'm more in favour of other methods of controlling snipers (Vision restrictions ala World of Tanks or charge systems) but in terms of putting slow motion into multi player, it can be done, it just has to be done very carefully as it usually changes from an advantage to a disadvantage.
Only one wave with six enemies, each one is Shepard of a different variety; soldier, vanguard, adept, sentinal, engineer, and infiltrator.
Good luck!
Missiles. Done.
Shepard has a habit of taking Reaper beams to the face and being fine. I doubt a piddly hydra would do more than give him an itch.
still, having done this in SP insanity, there's one thing even shep would have a hard time dealing with, and this applies to pretty much everything in the mass effect universe: the Reegar Carbine is a hell of a gun
i think i'd be content with telling the reegar clan to build an ark.
Sheps also get medi-gel. Vangod gets a reegar too. Soldier gets a either a falcon, claymore, or typhoon. Adept/engineer/sentinel gets either a scorpion or acolyte. Infiltrator gets choice of shotgun or sniper rifle or both.
even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
Shepard gets time dilation.
yeah, once you get that working in multiplayer you let me know
Well in this case it would be once Shepard sees you she will have emptied her entire clip onto you before you have a chance to react.
I like Arrival and Overlord both, but Overlord has way more emotional impact, at least the first time around.
Although for me
destroying an entire system full of people
was also a pretty big deal the first time, because I don't do the comedic "all Batarians should die" roleplaying in my games.
Yeah, that's an important point. If you play a Paragon Shepard, please note that Arrival
forces you to kill 300k people.
More reason for me to dislike it tbh.
That's actually the reason I like it myself.
"You can always fix everything, if you try hard enough" gets kind of boring. I was expecting more Sophie's choice type decisions like that in ME3 and didn't really get them.
People still remember the emotional impact of the Virmire decision after all this time for good reason.
Well aliens communicate with each other through universal translators, right? If so then it is somewhat weird that the translator chooses to give Quarians and Protheans an accent for some reason.
It's no different than star trek. Universal translators are just a sci fi kludge. If all conversations were actually in alien language translated in majel barrets voice via communicator it would not be very good.
The accents are just for flavor.
-edit-
Not only did people whine that Javik was "so racist" they also claimed that bioware was forcing gay sex on everyone.
What was the argument for Javik being racist? "OH I GUESS BIOWARE THINKS ALL BLACK PEOPLE ARE ANCIENT ALIEN RACES!" I'm bored of American & English aliens.
Javik has one of the best voices because he reminds me of Martian Manhunter from Justice League Unlimited.
Let's not confuse things here. Javik is a racist. You could argue the point with him but he'd probably just threaten to enslave you because of your race.
As for people being upset about Javik's accent. Well, they don't seem to prevalent these days.
The best thing about the character Javik and his blatant speciesism is that he gets a pass, whereas Ashley is teh SPACE HITLER. :P
Javik CAN tell the difference between the animals and the aliens, he just treats everyone like animals.
Meanwhile, Shepard wonders what these big stupid jellyfish on the Presidium are. Wildlife? Pets? Who knows?
Ashley is space Hitler. By the way, have you hear the new joke about committing genocide against the Batarians? It's hilarious!
In all seriousness, I think my cannon Shepard (first playthrough) had more 'racists' gaffs than Ashley. (Humans right? Anthropocentric bag of dicks.)
The idea that humans aren't animals is a speciest idea in and of itself, and when you look at some of the horrible things done to other groups of humans in our past as a whole, that distinction is what made those bad things "easier" for its actors to do or tolerate.. The Protheans, following their 'Cosmic Imperative', did a lot of questionable things too... with similar justifications. (Because, Primitives.)
Javik makes condescending remarks about sentient species and Prothean superiority over said sentient species at every turn. Ashley... well, I don't agree with the notion and I've avoided all the "Ashley is Space Hitler" quibbles to date and I'll continue to do so. But when it comes down to it I think that descriptions like "Space Hitler" apply more to Javik and the Protheans. So, yeah. :P
The one thing that I do find myself wondering is how well Javik would have been perceived if his VA either didn't have any accent, or it was of some European descent.
edit: Despite that, I do like Javik. I guess Javik that him an affable racist. :P
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Not as good as Shadowbroker, but it's kinda hard to beat Shadowbroker.
Unless you are Citadel DLC.
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Overlord is a lot more interesting than Arrival.
I think, should we get that far, I might actually have my players split up for those. Shepard does Arrival alone, and Zaeed/Garrus/Kaidan handle Overlord.
I think the accent was the problem? That he had a "faked up" "Jamaican" accent. Not recognizing that that is actually Ike Amadi's for real accent.*
*Full disclosure: Even though I knew that Javik's accent was African and not Jamaican, at first I thought it was a fake one, also. Though I never accused Bioware of racism for it.
*Even fuller disclosure: What a hottie
The early leaked dialogue comments on Youtube were particularly hilarious in their ignorance, as always.
"This guy sucks so bad! He doesn't even sound like a real black person!"
*Actual African accent*
"Well, it's still bad!"
Although for me
was also a pretty big deal the first time, because I don't do the comedic "all Batarians should die" roleplaying in my games.
...
"SHEPARD! WHY DID YOU BLOW UP A STAR SYSTEM!"
"Reapers."
...
"Oh."
Ugh. Still managed to finish the objective on wave six. I'm so used to the Lancer on turians that having to compensate for its climb made me confused.
Things are going great. You managed to survive Soldier Shepard's Cain shot, so that's out of play... then all of a sudden Renegade Infiltrator Shepard starts peppering the battlefield with scorpion rounds. Doesn't seem to be a big deal until your squadmates start going down and it becomes apparent renegade Shepard is using the missile glitch.
Let's not confuse things here. Javik is a racist. You could argue the point with him but he'd probably just threaten to enslave you because of your race.
As for people being upset about Javik's accent. Well, they don't seem to prevalent these days.
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even with those advantages, you're talking AI versus a real squad of 4 players - players with powers that shep can't touch, like anni field, snap freeze, shield boost, arc grenades, flamer, havoc strike, etc.
hell, i think your standard plat team of GIs/TGIs/AIUs would be able to handle it without too much trouble.
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The best thing about the character Javik and his blatant speciesism is that he gets a pass, whereas Ashley is teh SPACE HITLER. :P
I also wonder if maybe it isn't just a tad bit racist to automatically assume that giving a job to a voice actor who doesn't sound anglo/american is zomg racist in itself.
It's like "How dare you publicly display these voices that don't sound like mine I am offended."
Shepard gets time dilation.
yeah, once you get that working in multiplayer you let me know
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It's because internet voice experts* declared it a fake Caribbean accent or something stupid like that. The VA is, IIRC from South Africa and his accent isn't fake, it's just not the accent that white-knight anti-internet-racism activists assumed it was.
So yes, the controversy is exactly as stupid as you though it was.
*that's sarcasm btw
One of my favorite characters in the end though.
I think Max Payne 3 had it where when one guy used it (it's like a power up bar that took a chunk of time to fill) it would slow time for everyone he could see while he did his dive.
Not saying it worked but you could definitely represent time dialation from a Widow Shep in multiplayer simply by putting a slow on anyone caught with in his scope.
Never mind just doing it Killing Floor style in the vain of 'it looks fucking cool'.
Javik CAN tell the difference between the animals and the aliens, he just treats everyone like animals.
Meanwhile, Shepard wonders what these big stupid jellyfish on the Presidium are. Wildlife? Pets? Who knows?
Ashley is space Hitler. By the way, have you hear the new joke about committing genocide against the Batarians? It's hilarious!
In all seriousness, I think my cannon Shepard (first playthrough) had more 'racists' gaffs than Ashley. (Humans right? Anthropocentric bag of dicks.)
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More reason than ever that Bioware should just ignore their fanbase.
I'm only half joking here.
Is that the one with the... dulcore overlay or whatever it's called?
That's actually my least favorite helmet. It looks so dumb.
(vega is great btw, loved the character)
Yeah, that's an important point. If you play a Paragon Shepard, please note that Arrival
More reason for me to dislike it tbh.
hmm, i can see that working, might even help locate the sneaky bastard too.
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Sometimes you have to make sacrifices.
No that wouldn't work. It works in Max Payne because everyone who sees anyone else in slow motion, starting from the user, is affectec. Meaning you either A. don't see it or B. are slowed down as well. It elliminates the problem of having someone who's slowed vs. someone who isn't by slowing the latter as soon as he sees the former.
Having some people slowed that are within sight of someone in MP but not anyone else has the problem of any second viewer who sees the ones slowed down without being slowed down him/herself.
Which is especially a problem since most MP maps are extremely open, whereas most maps in Max Payne are really segmented.
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Yeah, I mean I'm more in favour of other methods of controlling snipers (Vision restrictions ala World of Tanks or charge systems) but in terms of putting slow motion into multi player, it can be done, it just has to be done very carefully as it usually changes from an advantage to a disadvantage.
I came in second place on a collectors london. Surprised the hell out of myself. The girl is a beast. Can't take a hit for shit though.
Well in this case it would be once Shepard sees you she will have emptied her entire clip onto you before you have a chance to react.
Yeah, Asari Adept is the best adept, the only one I can get away playing with on Gold.
That's actually the reason I like it myself.
"You can always fix everything, if you try hard enough" gets kind of boring. I was expecting more Sophie's choice type decisions like that in ME3 and didn't really get them.
People still remember the emotional impact of the Virmire decision after all this time for good reason.
The idea that humans aren't animals is a speciest idea in and of itself, and when you look at some of the horrible things done to other groups of humans in our past as a whole, that distinction is what made those bad things "easier" for its actors to do or tolerate.. The Protheans, following their 'Cosmic Imperative', did a lot of questionable things too... with similar justifications. (Because, Primitives.)
Javik makes condescending remarks about sentient species and Prothean superiority over said sentient species at every turn. Ashley... well, I don't agree with the notion and I've avoided all the "Ashley is Space Hitler" quibbles to date and I'll continue to do so. But when it comes down to it I think that descriptions like "Space Hitler" apply more to Javik and the Protheans. So, yeah. :P
The one thing that I do find myself wondering is how well Javik would have been perceived if his VA either didn't have any accent, or it was of some European descent.
edit: Despite that, I do like Javik. I guess Javik that him an affable racist. :P