Really, the substantial problem with limited time content is that if you miss it, it's as good as nothing at all, for both existing players and for potential new players.
This is my problem right here.
With any other MMO, if I decide to take a break for a few months. I can come back and there is a flood of new shit to do, maybe new classes, new dungeons, etc.
The Secret World, TERA, EVE, Rift... I've revisted all those games a few times and they all have substantial changes and content additions.
I've tried to revisit GW2 about four times now. Culling fixes were the biggest change I saw. There was indeed a "bit" more content, but nothing noticable to explain the constant emails I was getting from ANET that bragged about this "living story" and how they are constantly changing and adding things to the game.
There have been bits of things added to the game, so I don't need someone pointing those out. My point is there is nothing to show for all the buzz they keep sending my way to convince me that the game is full of new content to enjoy after taking a break.
Maybe the timed stuff keeps those achievment seekers busy and people currently playing will keep playing. When I think of all the changes and additions to GW1, it just makes GW2 look like an utter failure in that regard. I took breaks from GW1 all the time and everytime I revisted it, the game felt brand new with all sorts of additional content. Revisit GW2 and people still run fractals and chain Orr events.... just not appealing to me at all.
mojojoeoA block off the park, living the dream.Registered Userregular
Its opinion people. no one is really going to change any minds. some like. some don't.
WvW went off pretty well last night- Thanks to all that attended. Also for putting up with bookmarking a new TS3. Its a good community- they took to yougottawanna and rake like ducks to taffy (fun fact- ducks love taffy). Be more like @lucid_seraph. Speak up and they will love you for participating.
Using the FA TS3 helps for a number of reasons- like getting 911 calls and jumping borderlands to help out. Not entirely necessary but like last night we ended up with about 5-10 [APS] and [OBEY] along for the ride. and the more the merrier.
Next WvW event is friday changeover, please plan to rally up around 8:45 change over occurs between 9-940 est. We will be in our own ts3 for fridays; i figured out how to set it up where commanders can whisper me while in our ts3- so that we are connected to the meta game when necessary.
Chief Wiggum: "Ladies, please. All our founding fathers, astronauts, and World Series heroes have been either drunk or on cocaine."
Also remember that we can jump into our sPvP server beforehand for some face smashing mayhem action! That will start whenever people decide to pop in.
For missions tonight we should still be running if people are actually going to show up. If we don't have enough to do missions we won't even attempt. Please try to show up and help so those poor bastards who haven't yet done missions can get credit. I sadly will be unable to join due to having an awesome night out with the wife.
EDIT - Also remember there is a guild lottery going on! Deposit up to 5g in single 1g increments to the guild bank stash specified by @Geod for a chance to take the pot! Last night we discussed it being up over 40g! Help buy your precursors etc!
sometimes I feel like I am an obnoxious chatterbox who contributes nothing but bad jokes but people seem largely okay with that?
But seriously guys, do come to Wuvwuv on Tuesdays; I never really liked Wuvwuv before but Tuesday is nice and casual with a lot less getting steamrolled by giant zergballs and a lot more actual tactics and being massive trolls.
I mean if you're into annoying people on other servers. I'm into that.
EDIT - Also remember there is a guild lottery going on! Deposit up to 5g in single 1g increments to the guild bank stash specified by @Geod for a chance to take the pot! Last night we discussed it being up over 40g! Help buy your precursors etc!
sometimes I feel like I am an obnoxious chatterbox who contributes nothing but bad jokes but people seem largely okay with that?
But seriously guys, do come to Wuvwuv on Tuesdays; I never really liked Wuvwuv before but Tuesday is nice and casual with a lot less getting steamrolled by giant zergballs and a lot more actual tactics and being massive trolls.
I mean if you're into annoying people on other servers. I'm into that.
Its one of those situations where people are waiting for someone to talk.
Just be mindful of zipping it when the action starts. Clear coms during engagements and all.
EDIT - Also remember there is a guild lottery going on! Deposit up to 5g in single 1g increments to the guild bank stash specified by @Geod for a chance to take the pot! Last night we discussed it being up over 40g! Help buy your precursors etc!
So right now we're not really looking at expansions as an option," lead content designer Mike Zadorojny told me on his visit to London last week.
"It's something that's on the table but it's not something we're focused on, because what we want to do is - our idea here is that with Living World, we can do what expansions would have done but do it on a more regular basis."
So right now we're not really looking at expansions as an option," lead content designer Mike Zadorojny told me on his visit to London last week.
"It's something that's on the table but it's not something we're focused on, because what we want to do is - our idea here is that with Living World, we can do what expansions would have done but do it on a more regular basis."
... oh my god.
That is goddamn disappointing and completely nuts. They will have to add some persistent content to draw in players who are otherwise leaving. New classes and/or races would go a long way to reinvigorate the game (for me at least).
If you read the whole article he says that the living world team is a relatively small part of the team as a whole.
"[Living World] is only a fraction of what the rest of the company is working on," he said. "We have large feature teams that are working on exciting things behind the scenes that, when it's ready, we'll release those with these updates.
If this is true, it means that the things that would have otherwise been in an expansion will be released incrementally, which I don't necessarily have a problem with.
Did they actually name a boss from SE exp after the lead content designer? Also, how is there NO Youtube video of "No no no. We should go to the armory. That's where Zadorojny is likely to be." on repeat for 10 hours? Mojo, this weekend, SE p3, bring recording. Prepare the trolls.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
If you read the whole article he says that the living world team is a relatively small part of the team as a whole.
"[Living World] is only a fraction of what the rest of the company is working on," he said. "We have large feature teams that are working on exciting things behind the scenes that, when it's ready, we'll release those with these updates.
If this is true, it means that the things that would have otherwise been in an expansion will be released incrementally, which I don't necessarily have a problem with.
I do believe Anet called Flame and Frost "an expansion's worth of content", so good news, you got your incremental expansion already.
Did they actually name a boss from SE exp after the lead content designer? Also, how is there NO Youtube video of "No no no. We should go to the armory. That's where Zadorojny is likely to be." on repeat for 10 hours? Mojo, this weekend, SE p3, bring recording. Prepare the trolls.
@REG Rysk You might want to clean up the in-game officer list some, as some are no longer playing.
I HAVE THE POWAH so I'll go ahead and do that sometime this weekend.
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
It's really going to depend on how they add new zones.
Whereas in GW1, expansions came with new skills for old classes, so even old level 20s had a reason to explore the new continent, there's nothing obviously similar for GW2 unless they start adding new weapons and/or utilities, which is a big task in and of itself.
When they tried launching SSC, they discovered that players showed up for the event, and then quickly left because the resources only built into unpopular gear stats, and the events didn't give the gold return of events like Plinx. I imagine they're going to have to work on a way for individual zones or groups of zones that they create for the LS to have their own elder game.
...and of course, as always, Kill Hitler.
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mojojoeoA block off the park, living the dream.Registered Userregular
ill be recording friday and if we spvp Ill record that too.
Problem is that im terrible @ spvp.
Its just going to be mojo getting savaged by pornographic dunks over and over.
Chief Wiggum: "Ladies, please. All our founding fathers, astronauts, and World Series heroes have been either drunk or on cocaine."
Did they actually name a boss from SE exp after the lead content designer? Also, how is there NO Youtube video of "No no no. We should go to the armory. That's where Zadorojny is likely to be." on repeat for 10 hours? Mojo, this weekend, SE p3, bring recording. Prepare the trolls.
They did, indeed. And anyone who ran that explorable now knows his name, so kudos.
More to the point, it wouldn't be that on loop, it would be "NONONO! We should go NONONO! We shNONONO! We should go to the NONONONONONO! We should go to the armory. That's where Zadorojny is likely to be."
Or just "NONONO!" On repeat.
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reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
edited July 2013
On the positive update news front, they're adding rewards to achievements.
Exclusive armor and weapon skin unlocks – including Radiant armor, Hellfire armor, and the Zenith weapon set. Permanent account bonuses—permanent boosts to Magic Find, experience from kills, karma gain, and more. Earn achievement points on any character and get rewards for all of your characters. Currencies – gold, gems, karma, and laurels. PvP Rewards—skins and glory boosters. WvW Rewards—use Badges of Honor and siege blueprints to help push your server to victory. Warrior Buffs — increase the power of your Warrior with additional 10 trait points. Utility Items—Instant Repair Canisters, Revive Orbs, powerful boosters, and more. Unique Titles—show off your dedication to your fellow players.
@reVerse if you're going to try lying to us, at least get the syntax right. Nowhere in there is a legendary mentioned AND FURTHERMORE, you use an exclamation point which was not done on any of the other bullet points.
reVerseAttack and Dethrone GodRegistered Userregular
I don't know what you're talking about, you crazy person.
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mojojoeoA block off the park, living the dream.Registered Userregular
edited July 2013
The weapon set looks garbage. the armor looks very cool (theres pics of the other sets mined from the site as well- they all are very cool). The bonus being account wide are cool. But MF? f you arena net.
mojojoeo on
Chief Wiggum: "Ladies, please. All our founding fathers, astronauts, and World Series heroes have been either drunk or on cocaine."
If you read the whole article he says that the living world team is a relatively small part of the team as a whole.
"[Living World] is only a fraction of what the rest of the company is working on," he said. "We have large feature teams that are working on exciting things behind the scenes that, when it's ready, we'll release those with these updates.
If this is true, it means that the things that would have otherwise been in an expansion will be released incrementally, which I don't necessarily have a problem with.
Yeah, that exact quote is why I don't read this as "we won't ever get persistent or large scale content added" (which is easy to assume when you hear "no expansions", as that is what expansions traditionally bring).
I read it as "we will get expansions' worth of content spread out a little more and for FREE thanks to revenue from the gem store and box sales"... which is pretty amazing.
If we see a few zones here, a race/profession there, new weapons or weapon/class combos coming out occasionally, I will be very happy. I also look forward to permanent Living World stuff (they already said that some Living World stuff will permanently alter Tyria).
e.g.
A Looking For Group tool will be "slipped" into a Living World update when it's ready, and something as significant as a new character profession could too - an example he used with a heavy "not that we're talking about this" caveat.
Just to clarify a bit, as Mike said there are numerous teams beyond our Living World teams, and some of them are working on much longer term projects which we’ll go into details on much further down the road.
It’s entirely possible some of the types of content which you might traditionally find in expansions would be released through an expansion in the future for Gw2, and it’s possible we’d try something different when it comes to integrating those type of releases.
We have no final plans one way or another about expansions at this time, and certainly haven’t ruled them out, it’s something we’ll discuss more in the future.
Edited to add: Our primary focus right now is on making the core Gw2 experience as strong and compelling as possible, we’ll release a blog post later this month detailing more specifically our plans for Gw2 in the second half of 2013.
The weapon set looks garbage. the armor looks very cool (theres pics of the other sets mined from the site as well- they all are very cool). The bonus being account wide are cool. But MF? f you arena net.
Link pictures of armor? Please for the love of god be something other trenchcoats for medium.
Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
"an example he used with a heavy "not that we're talking about this" caveat."
I read that at first as "as an example, a heavy (as in the armor type)
I had to read it more times than I should have to actually get it.
So many people seem to be responding to the "no expansion" thing as if this means they are never getting content.
Not realizing that getting an expansion is no more a guarantee of the level of content they want than it being split into multiple patches. Being a 30-50 dollar expansion just means you will get little to no content for 6 months then have to pay for a solid amount of content. Content that could have been given over time when it was done.
We do not know what is going on behind the scenes, but I would assume that we do not have any significant content yet because it just isn't done.
You know it's funny. If we didn't have the small living story updates players would be complaining that we don't get any updates. Instead we get players complaining that the updates aren't the content they personally want.
Did they actually name a boss from SE exp after the lead content designer? Also, how is there NO Youtube video of "No no no. We should go to the armory. That's where Zadorojny is likely to be." on repeat for 10 hours? Mojo, this weekend, SE p3, bring recording. Prepare the trolls.
@REG Rysk You might want to clean up the in-game officer list some, as some are no longer playing.
Also it would be great if we could get more officers for off peak times.
I'm okay with no official "expansion" type releases. Those are too much of a feast then famine situation. I think content parcels in month sized chunks might be ideal.
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Kai_SanCommonly known as Klineshrike!Registered Userregular
edited July 2013
The articles from today basically let it be known that there are living story deparments, and normal content departments.
They are just very, very slow with he normal content. They seem to imply, however, that the living story departments will be tasked with finding creative ways to introduce the permanent content into the game.
So it is implied, at least, that the living stories WILL be giving permanent content. I think the recent SSC story was a small example of that - after it was done you were left with a few more towns, a lot more events, a world boss, and some new gear.
While none of this was recieved well, it WAS permanent content added to the game.
The weapon set looks garbage. the armor looks very cool (theres pics of the other sets mined from the site as well- they all are very cool). The bonus being account wide are cool. But MF? f you arena net.
Link pictures of armor? Please for the love of god be something other trenchcoats for medium.
What about trenchcoats for light? becaue if I could turn my Necromancer into a Harry (well, Harriet) Dresden, that is all you would ever see me in.
The weapon set looks garbage. the armor looks very cool (theres pics of the other sets mined from the site as well- they all are very cool). The bonus being account wide are cool. But MF? f you arena net.
Link pictures of armor? Please for the love of god be something other trenchcoats for medium.
What about trenchcoats for light? becaue if I could turn my Necromancer into a Harry (well, Harriet) Dresden, that is all you would ever see me in.
Just give us the ability to transmute appearances regardless of armor class. Because that would be AWESOME. And fix the horrible, horrible medium armor models... Heavy gets a number of different looks... light gets tons, medium... your only real option is cultural.
The weapon set looks garbage. the armor looks very cool (theres pics of the other sets mined from the site as well- they all are very cool). The bonus being account wide are cool. But MF? f you arena net.
The only picture I see is of the staff, which actually looks great. Where have you seen the others?
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This is my problem right here.
With any other MMO, if I decide to take a break for a few months. I can come back and there is a flood of new shit to do, maybe new classes, new dungeons, etc.
The Secret World, TERA, EVE, Rift... I've revisted all those games a few times and they all have substantial changes and content additions.
I've tried to revisit GW2 about four times now. Culling fixes were the biggest change I saw. There was indeed a "bit" more content, but nothing noticable to explain the constant emails I was getting from ANET that bragged about this "living story" and how they are constantly changing and adding things to the game.
There have been bits of things added to the game, so I don't need someone pointing those out. My point is there is nothing to show for all the buzz they keep sending my way to convince me that the game is full of new content to enjoy after taking a break.
Maybe the timed stuff keeps those achievment seekers busy and people currently playing will keep playing. When I think of all the changes and additions to GW1, it just makes GW2 look like an utter failure in that regard. I took breaks from GW1 all the time and everytime I revisted it, the game felt brand new with all sorts of additional content. Revisit GW2 and people still run fractals and chain Orr events.... just not appealing to me at all.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
WvW went off pretty well last night- Thanks to all that attended. Also for putting up with bookmarking a new TS3. Its a good community- they took to yougottawanna and rake like ducks to taffy (fun fact- ducks love taffy). Be more like @lucid_seraph. Speak up and they will love you for participating.
Using the FA TS3 helps for a number of reasons- like getting 911 calls and jumping borderlands to help out. Not entirely necessary but like last night we ended up with about 5-10 [APS] and [OBEY] along for the ride. and the more the merrier.
Next WvW event is friday changeover, please plan to rally up around 8:45 change over occurs between 9-940 est. We will be in our own ts3 for fridays; i figured out how to set it up where commanders can whisper me while in our ts3- so that we are connected to the meta game when necessary.
For missions tonight we should still be running if people are actually going to show up. If we don't have enough to do missions we won't even attempt. Please try to show up and help so those poor bastards who haven't yet done missions can get credit. I sadly will be unable to join due to having an awesome night out with the wife.
EDIT - Also remember there is a guild lottery going on! Deposit up to 5g in single 1g increments to the guild bank stash specified by @Geod for a chance to take the pot! Last night we discussed it being up over 40g! Help buy your precursors etc!
But seriously guys, do come to Wuvwuv on Tuesdays; I never really liked Wuvwuv before but Tuesday is nice and casual with a lot less getting steamrolled by giant zergballs and a lot more actual tactics and being massive trolls.
I mean if you're into annoying people on other servers. I'm into that.
https://podcast.tidalwavegames.com/
For those interested in the lottery, here is the current entries:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aj7W7InOt5dOdGRGd0ctS1V3dXBfdk5BMTdLclE5cGc#gid=0
Ends on July 6!
Its one of those situations where people are waiting for someone to talk.
Just be mindful of zipping it when the action starts. Clear coms during engagements and all.
My friend, who is not me in disguise, who is not a guild officer would like to enter. @Jomomoeo- Is that ok? Is that within the rules?
I thought you weren't...
To be honest, my friend Ksyr wants to enter as well
... oh my god.
well clear that stuff up? Am I or aint I?
Still have invite status and controls in the guild panel. Am i supposed ta?
That is goddamn disappointing and completely nuts. They will have to add some persistent content to draw in players who are otherwise leaving. New classes and/or races would go a long way to reinvigorate the game (for me at least).
If this is true, it means that the things that would have otherwise been in an expansion will be released incrementally, which I don't necessarily have a problem with.
@mojojoeo I dunno, be an officer for all I care.
Did they actually name a boss from SE exp after the lead content designer? Also, how is there NO Youtube video of "No no no. We should go to the armory. That's where Zadorojny is likely to be." on repeat for 10 hours? Mojo, this weekend, SE p3, bring recording. Prepare the trolls.
I do believe Anet called Flame and Frost "an expansion's worth of content", so good news, you got your incremental expansion already.
@REG Rysk You might want to clean up the in-game officer list some, as some are no longer playing.
Whereas in GW1, expansions came with new skills for old classes, so even old level 20s had a reason to explore the new continent, there's nothing obviously similar for GW2 unless they start adding new weapons and/or utilities, which is a big task in and of itself.
When they tried launching SSC, they discovered that players showed up for the event, and then quickly left because the resources only built into unpopular gear stats, and the events didn't give the gold return of events like Plinx. I imagine they're going to have to work on a way for individual zones or groups of zones that they create for the LS to have their own elder game.
Problem is that im terrible @ spvp.
Its just going to be mojo getting savaged by pornographic dunks over and over.
They did, indeed. And anyone who ran that explorable now knows his name, so kudos.
More to the point, it wouldn't be that on loop, it would be "NONONO! We should go NONONO! We shNONONO! We should go to the NONONONONONO! We should go to the armory. That's where Zadorojny is likely to be."
Or just "NONONO!" On repeat.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/new-account-achievement-rewards-incoming/
also, i want those warrior buffs
https://podcast.tidalwavegames.com/
Yeah, that exact quote is why I don't read this as "we won't ever get persistent or large scale content added" (which is easy to assume when you hear "no expansions", as that is what expansions traditionally bring).
I read it as "we will get expansions' worth of content spread out a little more and for FREE thanks to revenue from the gem store and box sales"... which is pretty amazing.
If we see a few zones here, a race/profession there, new weapons or weapon/class combos coming out occasionally, I will be very happy. I also look forward to permanent Living World stuff (they already said that some Living World stuff will permanently alter Tyria).
e.g.
Edit: Colin Johanson made a post on the forums to clarify this topic a little: https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gw2/GW2-unlikely-to-get-expansions-Interview/page/2#post2343665
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Link pictures of armor? Please for the love of god be something other trenchcoats for medium.
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I read that at first as "as an example, a heavy (as in the armor type)
I had to read it more times than I should have to actually get it.
So many people seem to be responding to the "no expansion" thing as if this means they are never getting content.
Not realizing that getting an expansion is no more a guarantee of the level of content they want than it being split into multiple patches. Being a 30-50 dollar expansion just means you will get little to no content for 6 months then have to pay for a solid amount of content. Content that could have been given over time when it was done.
We do not know what is going on behind the scenes, but I would assume that we do not have any significant content yet because it just isn't done.
Also it would be great if we could get more officers for off peak times.
They are just very, very slow with he normal content. They seem to imply, however, that the living story departments will be tasked with finding creative ways to introduce the permanent content into the game.
So it is implied, at least, that the living stories WILL be giving permanent content. I think the recent SSC story was a small example of that - after it was done you were left with a few more towns, a lot more events, a world boss, and some new gear.
While none of this was recieved well, it WAS permanent content added to the game.
What about trenchcoats for light? becaue if I could turn my Necromancer into a Harry (well, Harriet) Dresden, that is all you would ever see me in.
Just give us the ability to transmute appearances regardless of armor class. Because that would be AWESOME. And fix the horrible, horrible medium armor models... Heavy gets a number of different looks... light gets tons, medium... your only real option is cultural.
3DS: 0473-8507-2652
Switch: SW-5185-4991-5118
PSN: AbEntropy
The only picture I see is of the staff, which actually looks great. Where have you seen the others?