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Civilization V: Like fine wine, Civ gets better with age

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  • chrisnlchrisnl Registered User regular
    The <3<3<3 GMR save game worked for me today, no idea what changed. Also any thoughts on Civ V during the Steam Summer Sale?

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  • NoughtNought Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Taken a bunch of screenshots over the ages, never had an issue till last night :\

    I've been wrong before, maybe I did switch the keybinding off.

    The only screenshots I've taken was in multi where F12 worked. Maybe this was your first in a singleplayer game?
    chrisnl wrote: »
    The <3<3<3 GMR save game worked for me today, no idea what changed. Also any thoughts on Civ V during the Steam Summer Sale?

    Will we get a summer sale this year? Isn't it usually at the end of June?

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Last year's Steam Summer Sale didn't start till July. I don't think we will any deeper discount for BNW but Civ 5, Civ 5 Gold Edition and G&K are nigh guaranteed to be on sale IMO.

  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    It's high time for me to get on the road for 4th of July camping. And the GMR player before me (@Bevilr) had his turn expire 8 minutes ago. How long does it take until it rolls to be my turn? I expected it would be immediate.

    I won't have the internets where I'm going and I don't want to be skipped. :(

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  • NoughtNought Registered User regular
    Don't worry. Turn timers have been switched off. My three games are all over the limit. One of them by a day.

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  • DacDac Registered User regular
    Okay. I've played a game of Civ5. Did okay and stuff, and the game was pretty good. Then I stopped.

    But this game has been near the top of the steam stats almost constantly for, like, EVER, and I'm wondering if I missed something. Is it the mods? Is that why there are still so many people playing? Are there any that are 'core'?

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    Dac wrote: »
    Okay. I've played a game of Civ5. Did okay and stuff, and the game was pretty good. Then I stopped.

    But this game has been near the top of the steam stats almost constantly for, like, EVER, and I'm wondering if I missed something. Is it the mods? Is that why there are still so many people playing? Are there any that are 'core'?

    Achievements, the Gods and Kings mod, many different ways to play, etc.

    I personally stopped until the Beyond the Monument helped me get a better understanding of Civ, now I can't put it down.

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  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    Cantido wrote: »
    Dac wrote: »
    Okay. I've played a game of Civ5. Did okay and stuff, and the game was pretty good. Then I stopped.

    But this game has been near the top of the steam stats almost constantly for, like, EVER, and I'm wondering if I missed something. Is it the mods? Is that why there are still so many people playing? Are there any that are 'core'?

    Achievements, the Gods and Kings mod, many different ways to play, etc.

    I personally stopped until the Beyond the Monument helped me get a better understanding of Civ, now I can't put it down.

    I think there is probably 2 sides to this. You have people who hear about "one more turn" and try it. But it is hard to do, and some of the concepts aren't put right in front of you. I am actually unsure, as I have been playing civ forever, is there a tutorial? So to me, these people play a while and leave.

    Than there are the ones who have played forever, dig into the game, and get the extra concepts. Someone DOW you, and you don't have army. Lets trade my luxury for money buy army and stop! Lets sell that embassy to eak out that last bit of gold. I guess you don't have to be a diety level to enjoy one more turn, but you have to get past the initial hump. but that is just my opinion.

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  • Man of the WavesMan of the Waves Registered User regular
    I don't think there's a proper tutorial in-game, but it does have those advisors that pop up constantly (until you turn them off).

  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    Yeah, but advisors don't tell you how to win IMHO. But I think it was mentioned, and even for me, it was a big help to watch that monument video and have stuff explained.

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  • ZxerolZxerol for the smaller pieces, my shovel wouldn't do so i took off my boot and used my shoeRegistered User regular
    There are in fact a set of tutorial mini-campaigns. Vanilla Civ 5 probably has the shallowest learning curve of the series.

  • BlindPsychicBlindPsychic Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Venice has been basically confirmed. Civ spoilers ahead
    via http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=490854
    New Civilizations

    Assyria
    - Leader - Ashurbanipal
    - Capital - Assur
    - Unique Ability - Treasures of Ninevah; Steal one Tech from each captured city (only once per city)
    - Uniqe Unit - Siege Tower; Catapult replacement;attacking bonuses against cities to nearby friendly units; Can only attack cities
    - Unique Building - Royal Library; Library replacement; +1 Science for every citizen; extra XP to combat units if their masterpiece slot is filled.

    Brazil
    - Leader - Pedro II
    - Capital - Rio de Janeiro
    - Unique Ability - Carnival; Replace Golden Ages; +50% production of Great Person points for Artist; x2 tourism
    - Unique Unit - Brazilian Expeditionary Force; Generates more progress towards Golden Age, the Carnival for Brazil (x2 if in enemy territory).
    - Unique Tile Improvement - Brazilian Wood Camp; Requires Jungle; +2 Gold per turn; +2 Culture after Acoustics

    Indonesia
    - Leader - Gajah Mada
    - Capital - Jakarta
    - Unique Ability - Spice Islanders; The first 3 cities founded on continents other than where Indonesia started each provide 2 unique Luxury Resources (Nutmeg, Cloves, or Pepper)
    - Unique Unit - Kris Swordsman; Gets a "completely random" promotion after its first round of combat. Like - Ambition: +50% Combat bonus when attacking. -20% penalty when defending. Recruitment: Heals all damage if kills non-barbarian unit. Heroism: ?; Replaces Swordsman.
    - Unique Building - Candi; Replaces the Garden; Must be built in a city on a river or lake; It grants you +2 Faith for every world religion that has at least one follower in the city.

    Morocco

    - Leader - Ahmad al-Mansur
    - Capital - Marrakech
    - Unique Ability - Gateway to Africa; Receives +3 Gold and +1 Culture for each International Trade Route with a different civ or City-State. The Trade Route owners receive +2 Gold for each Trade Route sent to Morocco
    - Unique Unit - Berber Cavalry; Cost 150, Moves 4, Strength 34, 1 Horse, Mounted unit that specializes in Desert warfare and protecting Moroccan lands. Recieves combat bonuses when fighting both in Desert tiles and in Moroccan territory.
    - Unique Tile Improvement - Kasbah; A Kasbah can only be built on a Desert tile. It provides one additional Food, Production and Gold. It also provides the same +50% defense bonus as a fort. Must be built in Moroccan territory.

    Poland
    - Leader - Casimir III
    - Capital - Warsaw
    - Unique Ability - Solidarity; receive a free Social Policy when they advance into each new era
    - Unique Unit - Winged Hussar; Lancer replacement; If they deal more damage in combat than they take, the unit they're fighting is forced back one tile. If the enemy has nowhere to run, they take extra damage and may be destroyed; starts with Shock I, Formation I, & Heavy Charge
    - Unique Building - Ducal Stable; Stable replacement; 15% Production; 15xp for Mounted Units; +1 Gold and Production on Pastures

    Portugal

    - Leader - Maria I
    - Capital - Lisbon
    - Unique Ability - Mare Clausum; Resource diversity grants twice as much Gold for Portugal in International Trade Routes
    - Unique Unit - Nau; Replaces the Caravel; Can sell exotic goods for Gold and XP in foreign lands (can be used only once); Strength 20; Movement 5
    - Unique Tile Improvement - Feitoria; Built in City States; Allows you to take a copy of their Luxury resources; you get two is you are allied with the City State; Also provides a defensive bonus; Pillaging a Portuguese Feitoria constitutes an act of war

    The Shoshone

    - Leader - Pocatello
    - Capital - Moson Kahni
    - Unique Ability - Great Expanse - Founded cities start with 14 tiles; units receive a combat bonus when fighting within their own territory; Start with a Pathfinder rather than a Warrior
    - Unique Unit - Pathfinder - replaces Scout; explores like a scout and fights like a warrior; possesses a promotion that allows it to choose the benefit when uncovering an ancient ruin;
    - Unique Unit - Comanche Riders - replaces Cavalry; cheaper and faster than the base unit

    Venice

    - Leader - Enrico Dandolo
    - Capital - Venice
    - Unique Ability - Serenissima - Cannot gain settlers nor annex cities; double the normal number of trade routes available; a Merchant of Venice appears after researching Optics; may purchase in puppeted cities; Merchant of Venice instead of Settler through the Liberty policy
    - Unique Unit - Merchant of Venice - replaces Great Merchant; can purchase City-States bringing them under Venetian control as a Puppet
    - Unique Unit - Great Galleass - replaces Galleass; stronger range attack; more resilient in battle; cost more than base unit

    Zulu

    - Leader - Shaka
    - Capital - Ulundi
    - Unique Ability - Iklwa;reduction of 50% of maintenance costs for his melee units and all military units require 25 percent less XP to earn a promotion
    - Unique Unit - Impi; Replaces Pikeman; Can undertake a ranged attack before entering into a melee combat
    - Unique Building - Ikanda; Replaces Barracks; provides new upgrades, such as bonus to flanking & vs. gunpowder units

    Old Civilizations that have been changed

    Arabia

    - Unique Ability - Arabia has 50% longer Caravan routes, and have stronger religious pressure along trade routes.

    India

    - Unique Building - Mughal Fort gold bonus after Flight now changed to a Tourism bonus instead

    Iroquois

    - Unique Ability - Units move through Forest and Jungle in friendly territory as if they were Roads. These tiles can be used to established City Connections upon researching The Wheel. Caravans move along Forest and Jungle as if they were Roads."

    France

    - Unique Ability - City of Light; Great work theaming bonuses are doubled in their capital (Paris)
    - Unique Tile Improvement - Château; +2 culture and +2 gold; extra culture and gold with flight; cannot be built adjacent to each other; must be built next to a luxurious resource; provides a defensive bonus; only the French may build it

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    If GMR or Pit Boss are working properly/don't need a dedicated server we should get another game going for BNW. Sadly I think the PA Civ game is dead in the water from that latest patch.

  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    GMR is working, I've submitted a few turns. The games seem to be going fine still. People have probably just switched it off.

    I'd be down for a BNW GMR game.

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  • BevilrBevilr Registered User regular
    I managed to take my turn in PA Civ for classy gents (@enc0re , @CanadianWolverine , @KafkaAU ). Don't know what changed as at least one of my other games is still non functional but PA Civ for classy gents just had it's first birthday and is very much alive!

  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Fair enough, seems the other one started by DyasAlure only seems to be dead. Just doesn't seem to have budged turn wise despite having a 3 day turn timer and me being on vacation for four.

    Go ahead and send me a PM if you want to be in on a BNW GMR game. Hopefully I will start sending out invites tomorrow but it probably won't start till Tuesday/Wednsday or even later in the week due to work and figuring out game parameters.

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  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    You'll probably need to wait till GMR gets a setting that allows BNW.

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    True. I am optimistic about it being ready tomorrow but I'm it will probably take a few days/ a week to even get that far. But hey, get the players now so we are ready to go when we can.

  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    My GMR games didn't work. I would be willing to go back, and sorry if i was in a game and dropped because I didn't know what happened.

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  • CantidoCantido Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    DyasAlure wrote: »
    Cantido wrote: »
    Dac wrote: »
    Okay. I've played a game of Civ5. Did okay and stuff, and the game was pretty good. Then I stopped.

    But this game has been near the top of the steam stats almost constantly for, like, EVER, and I'm wondering if I missed something. Is it the mods? Is that why there are still so many people playing? Are there any that are 'core'?

    Achievements, the Gods and Kings mod, many different ways to play, etc.

    I personally stopped until the Beyond the Monument helped me get a better understanding of Civ, now I can't put it down.

    I think there is probably 2 sides to this. You have people who hear about "one more turn" and try it. But it is hard to do, and some of the concepts aren't put right in front of you. I am actually unsure, as I have been playing civ forever, is there a tutorial? So to me, these people play a while and leave.

    Than there are the ones who have played forever, dig into the game, and get the extra concepts. Someone DOW you, and you don't have army. Lets trade my luxury for money buy army and stop! Lets sell that embassy to eak out that last bit of gold. I guess you don't have to be a diety level to enjoy one more turn, but you have to get past the initial hump. but that is just my opinion.

    Come to think of it, I can't trade for shit, so I could use guidance on how to make Civs say yes to things from getting a luxury good your city wants to knowing how much Gold you can get for a luxury item.
    Venice has been basically confirmed. Civ spoilers ahead
    via http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=490854
    New Civilizations

    Assyria
    - Leader - Ashurbanipal
    - Capital - Assur
    - Unique Ability - Treasures of Ninevah; Steal one Tech from each captured city (only once per city)
    - Uniqe Unit - Siege Tower; Catapult replacement;attacking bonuses against cities to nearby friendly units; Can only attack cities
    - Unique Building - Royal Library; Library replacement; +1 Science for every citizen; extra XP to combat units if their masterpiece slot is filled.

    Brazil
    - Leader - Pedro II
    - Capital - Rio de Janeiro
    - Unique Ability - Carnival; Replace Golden Ages; +50% production of Great Person points for Artist; x2 tourism
    - Unique Unit - Brazilian Expeditionary Force; Generates more progress towards Golden Age, the Carnival for Brazil (x2 if in enemy territory).
    - Unique Tile Improvement - Brazilian Wood Camp; Requires Jungle; +2 Gold per turn; +2 Culture after Acoustics

    Indonesia
    - Leader - Gajah Mada
    - Capital - Jakarta
    - Unique Ability - Spice Islanders; The first 3 cities founded on continents other than where Indonesia started each provide 2 unique Luxury Resources (Nutmeg, Cloves, or Pepper)
    - Unique Unit - Kris Swordsman; Gets a "completely random" promotion after its first round of combat. Like - Ambition: +50% Combat bonus when attacking. -20% penalty when defending. Recruitment: Heals all damage if kills non-barbarian unit. Heroism: ?; Replaces Swordsman.
    - Unique Building - Candi; Replaces the Garden; Must be built in a city on a river or lake; It grants you +2 Faith for every world religion that has at least one follower in the city.

    Morocco

    - Leader - Ahmad al-Mansur
    - Capital - Marrakech
    - Unique Ability - Gateway to Africa; Receives +3 Gold and +1 Culture for each International Trade Route with a different civ or City-State. The Trade Route owners receive +2 Gold for each Trade Route sent to Morocco
    - Unique Unit - Berber Cavalry; Cost 150, Moves 4, Strength 34, 1 Horse, Mounted unit that specializes in Desert warfare and protecting Moroccan lands. Recieves combat bonuses when fighting both in Desert tiles and in Moroccan territory.
    - Unique Tile Improvement - Kasbah; A Kasbah can only be built on a Desert tile. It provides one additional Food, Production and Gold. It also provides the same +50% defense bonus as a fort. Must be built in Moroccan territory.

    Poland
    - Leader - Casimir III
    - Capital - Warsaw
    - Unique Ability - Solidarity; receive a free Social Policy when they advance into each new era
    - Unique Unit - Winged Hussar; Lancer replacement; If they deal more damage in combat than they take, the unit they're fighting is forced back one tile. If the enemy has nowhere to run, they take extra damage and may be destroyed; starts with Shock I, Formation I, & Heavy Charge
    - Unique Building - Ducal Stable; Stable replacement; 15% Production; 15xp for Mounted Units; +1 Gold and Production on Pastures

    Portugal

    - Leader - Maria I
    - Capital - Lisbon
    - Unique Ability - Mare Clausum; Resource diversity grants twice as much Gold for Portugal in International Trade Routes
    - Unique Unit - Nau; Replaces the Caravel; Can sell exotic goods for Gold and XP in foreign lands (can be used only once); Strength 20; Movement 5
    - Unique Tile Improvement - Feitoria; Built in City States; Allows you to take a copy of their Luxury resources; you get two is you are allied with the City State; Also provides a defensive bonus; Pillaging a Portuguese Feitoria constitutes an act of war

    The Shoshone

    - Leader - Pocatello
    - Capital - Moson Kahni
    - Unique Ability - Great Expanse - Founded cities start with 14 tiles; units receive a combat bonus when fighting within their own territory; Start with a Pathfinder rather than a Warrior
    - Unique Unit - Pathfinder - replaces Scout; explores like a scout and fights like a warrior; possesses a promotion that allows it to choose the benefit when uncovering an ancient ruin;
    - Unique Unit - Comanche Riders - replaces Cavalry; cheaper and faster than the base unit

    Venice

    - Leader - Enrico Dandolo
    - Capital - Venice
    - Unique Ability - Serenissima - Cannot gain settlers nor annex cities; double the normal number of trade routes available; a Merchant of Venice appears after researching Optics; may purchase in puppeted cities; Merchant of Venice instead of Settler through the Liberty policy
    - Unique Unit - Merchant of Venice - replaces Great Merchant; can purchase City-States bringing them under Venetian control as a Puppet
    - Unique Unit - Great Galleass - replaces Galleass; stronger range attack; more resilient in battle; cost more than base unit

    Zulu

    - Leader - Shaka
    - Capital - Ulundi
    - Unique Ability - Iklwa;reduction of 50% of maintenance costs for his melee units and all military units require 25 percent less XP to earn a promotion
    - Unique Unit - Impi; Replaces Pikeman; Can undertake a ranged attack before entering into a melee combat
    - Unique Building - Ikanda; Replaces Barracks; provides new upgrades, such as bonus to flanking & vs. gunpowder units

    Old Civilizations that have been changed

    Arabia

    - Unique Ability - Arabia has 50% longer Caravan routes, and have stronger religious pressure along trade routes.

    India

    - Unique Building - Mughal Fort gold bonus after Flight now changed to a Tourism bonus instead

    Iroquois

    - Unique Ability - Units move through Forest and Jungle in friendly territory as if they were Roads. These tiles can be used to established City Connections upon researching The Wheel. Caravans move along Forest and Jungle as if they were Roads."

    France

    - Unique Ability - City of Light; Great work theaming bonuses are doubled in their capital (Paris)
    - Unique Tile Improvement - Château; +2 culture and +2 gold; extra culture and gold with flight; cannot be built adjacent to each other; must be built next to a luxurious resource; provides a defensive bonus; only the French may build it

    Whoa, what does this means for the City States?
    Now that most of them are Civs now.

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  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    Just put the luxury in the window and say what do you want for this, or put gold on there side and say will this work. off the top of my head it is 250 gold if they like you. So 200 is you are ok, and just keeps dropping. Don't trade for less that 200 as you should be able to find someone. If you look back in thread and find that tutorial for civ the guy who plays diety he gives exact numbers on this.

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Usually hitting the "What will you trade for this?" button over Trade and Refuse shows just what the AI will give and usually works just fine.

    Once you piss other Civs off due to expansion/wonder envy/warmongering/etc it's pretty hard to get them back on friendly terms for mutually beneficial trades even if they are the ones coming to you to renew a previous trade agreement. :rotate:

    Edit: There will always be plenty of city states and they've always been threatened by being conquered by force or Austria's unique ability if I understand your question correctly.
    Or do you mean what happens to the previous city state Venice? They just take it out as a City State option in BNW and use/add another one.

    Beat by DyasAlure. Don't worry about our game, brief as it is it is a good learning experience but if it's not worth rescuing we can start a new one or just jump into my future BNW if you're getting the expansion.

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  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    I am getting expansion, or got. so tomorrow? I'm off tomorrow... oh, I think Rogue Legacy might take a back seat.. when is pack? imagine little dog jumping up and down and panting!

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    It won't be an immediate thing so no worries, in this case so GMR can update for BNW and to get as many players as we can/are interested.

  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    Bevilr wrote: »
    I managed to take my turn in PA Civ for classy gents (@enc0re , @CanadianWolverine , @KafkaAU ). Don't know what changed as at least one of my other games is still non functional but PA Civ for classy gents just had it's first birthday and is very much alive!

    Hey! I'm in that game too! :(

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  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    @karoz Ok, so I'm down, who else is down with a brand new BNW civ PA game? Karoz said he is starting a list. :P

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  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    Seems the release date has changed? Or is it just Australians getting screwed as usual? Says July 11.

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  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    :( mine says in 21 hours. so 10PM Monday PST

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  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    Nice, so just being screwed as usual. I've got 3 days.

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  • BevilrBevilr Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    DarkPrimus wrote: »
    Bevilr wrote: »
    I managed to take my turn in PA Civ for classy gents (@enc0re , @CanadianWolverine , @KafkaAU ). Don't know what changed as at least one of my other games is still non functional but PA Civ for classy gents just had it's first birthday and is very much alive!

    Hey! I'm in that game too! :(

    Don't know what to say . . . no you aren't?

    You might be in a game with the other three, but "Vanilla PA Civ for classy gents" has been going on for a year now and only has the 4 of us left in it.

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  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited July 2013
    @DarkPrimus was talking about the PA Civ game I believe. Quoted wrong post maybe?

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  • scherbchenscherbchen Asgard (it is dead)Registered User regular
    yeah July 12th in Euroland. fuck you too, Steam.

  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    edited July 2013
    wow, that is just wrong. I posted somewhere else, these regions split up are bs.

    Edit:
    and I was hoping to hit some of you up. :(

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    Do they disable achievements somehow? I've beaten the game as Austria and Byzantium recently and received no achievement for it.

  • DyasAlureDyasAlure SeattleRegistered User regular
    mods active? no achieves with mods.

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  • KarozKaroz Registered User regular
    Urgh yeah go US-centric me. Still, it gives a nice buffer to get people signed up for a PA BNW GMR game.

    Send me a PM or an @ in this thread if you are interested.

  • DiannaoChongDiannaoChong Registered User regular
    edited July 2013
    Been trying to host a pitboss game, and it's really inconvenient. I forgot what a stupid resource hog civ is, I can't play anything else in the meantime, I almost bought a second copy of civ to have a server on another machine be a spectate that I could leave 24/7, but it makes that machine chug in the first place and I don't think I can have a host only observe. I unplugged my network cable to do some rewiring, when I went back to civ I got "cannot connect to host!" and then it exited me to the main menu.(My fault, I wasnt thinking)

    They gotta tighten this shit up on level 3.

    I don't think there's a proper tutorial in-game, but it does have those advisors that pop up constantly (until you turn them off).

    Theres a "learn as you go" game where it gives you extra baby steps, but I tell people to just play on the lowest difficulty to get their bearing. after a full game you should get the gist of everything, but you dont ever stop learning new stuff about intricate systems and you dont stop making stupid mistakes :D

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  • jdarksunjdarksun Struggler VARegistered User regular
    DyasAlure wrote: »
    mods active? no achieves with mods.
    I just got Holy Father, so that doesn't seem right.

    But I also just beat the game as Dido, and didn't get No White Flag Here.

    Weird.

  • KafkaAUKafkaAU Western AustraliaRegistered User regular
    DyasAlure wrote: »
    My GMR games didn't work. I would be willing to go back, and sorry if i was in a game and dropped because I didn't know what happened.

    The PA Civ game that you are hosting is working again. I just had my turn this morning.

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  • enc0reenc0re Registered User regular
    Super hyped for tomorrow. I won't be home until late but my body is ready.

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