Beat the main Ground Zeroes mission. First playthough? Not great. I am so rusty at this. And yeah, It's a demo priced and packaged as a full game. which didn't get the $10 price reduction in our BX stores (still $40 here on PS4). But the one mission has a large map and lots of stuff to mess around with and I'll have to replay it a few time. I just wish the cutscene after the Ground Zeroes mission was playable too. It's such a freaking tease.
It does succeed though in making me want The Phantom Pain real fucking bad. The basic gameplay is fantastic. And after you beat it it unlocked more side-missions Peace Walker style to play around with the game more outside of the story.
Side note. I am immensely disappointed that the American cover doesn't have Kaz on it for some stupid fucking reason. At the very least it has a reversible cover with Big Boss in the traditional series artwork that's pretty good (outside a stupid safety warning on the back) and makes it fit in with the MGS1-3 covers perfectly.... but why no Kaz? Seriously?
Beat the main Ground Zeroes mission. First playthough? Not great. I am so rusty at this. And yeah, It's a demo priced and packaged as a full game. which didn't get the $10 price reduction in our BX stores (still $40 here on PS4). But the one mission has a large map and lots of stuff to mess around with and I'll have to replay it a few time. I just wish the cutscene after the Ground Zeroes mission was playable too. It's such a freaking tease.
It does succeed though in making me want The Phantom Pain real fucking bad. The basic gameplay is fantastic. And after you beat it it unlocked more side-missions Peace Walker style to play around with the game more outside of the story.
Side note. I am immensely disappointed that the American cover doesn't have Kaz on it for some stupid fucking reason. At the very least it has a reversible cover with Big Boss in the traditional series artwork that's pretty good (outside a stupid safety warning on the back) and makes it fit in with the MGS1-3 covers perfectly.... but why no Kaz? Seriously?
Because America has this thing about putting the face of the main character front and center on the artwork.
The politics of American game cover art is actually pretty funny and sad.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
Are there alternate endings?
One I've seen says the second bomb is in Chico, not Paz. Weird.
I am in the middle of a replay of Peace Walker right now, which will take a backseat while I play through Ground Zeroes. Once that's over, I'll go back to PW.
Question: Am I crazy for wanting to fully equip ZEKE? All parts, all boards, etc.? I assume that eventually requires taking on the super-hard versions of the AI bosses.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
You're super cray, buddy. Do it
Speaking of ZEKE... did it appear anywhere in Ground Zeroes?
Yep. Which I find pretty funny considering his role as Jack Bauer is essentially a modern, western Solid Snake adapted for TV. :P
Obviously Snake himself was inspired by many characters like Snake Plissken, but the crazy world of 24 could practically be a Metal Gear setting if only it had giant robots.
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Yeah, Sutherland's voice kind of stands out just because I'm so used to how Snake usually sounds.
I didn't know who it was even suppose to be at first.
I mean I don't have any opinions on the quality of it yet since I just started though.
Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes is actually promotional material for the 9th half-season of 24, coming out this May.
Everyone mistakenly thought it had something to do with Metal Gear because of the title, producer, director, character names, and story.
I would freak if they introduced a drone/unmanned terror weapon threat in a later season. That's about the only kind of threat Jack hasn't dealt with other than asteroid collisions and dinosaurs. :P
On the topic of GZ, I won't be able to play it until this weekend, but as a starter question for those who have it, what are the controls? It sounds like they've moved away from the MGS4 setup?
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Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes is actually promotional material for the 9th half-season of 24, coming out this May.
Everyone mistakenly thought it had something to do with Metal Gear because of the title, producer, director, character names, and story.
I would freak if they introduced a drone/unmanned terror weapon threat in a later season. That's about the only kind of threat Jack hasn't dealt with other than asteroid collisions and dinosaurs. :P
On the topic of GZ, I won't be able to play it until this weekend, but as a starter question for those who have it, what are the controls? It sounds like they've moved away from the MGS4 setup?
What about psychics and cyborgs?
I'm not saying 24 never had any of that. I'm saying if they didn't get around to it, they should.
Probably for the best, 24 was a great show, but it suffered in later seasons due to the need for real time "filler". 24 was best when it was all about absurd conspiracies and Jack murdering every bad guy that got in his way.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
Nah, 7 followed the Odd Number rule for
1,3,5,7 are the best seasons.
2,4,6,8 are not the best seasons.
Hey now, 4 was pretty great. How can you not love a terror plot that involves melting down every nuclear reactor in the US at once, because of the MASTER OVERRIDE CHIP?
I thought we might get a couple of missions, but the story is literally only one mission, which took me an hour and a half, and that was fucking around and getting caught as well, getting a B-rank on the mission and unlocking all the side missions but one. While I did enjoy it, I'm not sure if $30 was really a good price for what was essentially a demo with a couple of things tacked on.
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So having played Ground Zeroes I have to say that the guy who said its very much a demo for the Phantom Pain was very much correct.
They really wanted to show off the engine.
I have to say out of all the games in the series this has some of the most intuitive controls. It seems like the took note of the way a lot of western shooters work and went from there. It can be a bit disorienting but you get used to it.
As for the graphics, I played next gen and I have to say stuff like the lighting and effects are really impressive. That said you can tell that this game was made to operate on last gen systems too because a lot of the textures aren't a good as they could be.
As for the story itself, there isn't a lot to go on honestly, that said from what I did play it seems like Kojima wants to go for a very serious tone this time around. I would say overall it was pretty grim. That said it still had that B-Movie action feel to it so I wonder how it'll all work out.
I also only got a B rank my first time, but man adjusting to how enemy sight works took some doing.
Also, I don't remember if MGS3 had it but there is a quick restart/checkpoint system this time around. That said you can't use it for free to get that perfect playthrough because there is a 300 point penalty every time you use it.
I'm fine with a demo. At least we get to play some Metal Gear this year instead of waiting in agony for Phantom Pain.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited March 2014
I'm not fine with the price.
Let's take our "defend the honor of Metal Gear we love so much" hats off for a second, sit down at the table, and have a real good look at that price, and the size of what we got for that price.
You guys are getting willingly shafted.
I mean, you know, I can understand. S&M and all that. Some people like pain.
But really.
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited March 2014
Well...honestly, I don't hate myself...I'm just bad with money/don't care at times.
That said, for what we did get I would say 15-20 bucks would have been far more reasonable.
I'm not fine with the price.
Let's take our "defend the honor of Metal Gear we love so much" hats off for a second, sit down at the table, and have a real good look at that price, and the size of what we got for that price.
You guys are getting willingly shafted.
I mean, you know, I can understand. S&M and all that. Some people like pain.
But really.
Cool, thanks for telling me what I should do and how I should feel about it. I never would have known if you hadn't told me!
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DragkoniasThat Guy Who Does StuffYou Know, There. Registered Userregular
edited March 2014
Meh. I really don't think its worth arguing about.
If you want to spend the money on the game then go ahead.
If you don't just wait a few months for a price drop or not at all if that's your prerogative.
We'll see exactly how many hours I get out of GZ. But considering I've put 1 hour in for 10% completion I am not worried.
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edited March 2014
And as the GameInformer fellas said, I'd rather spend 30 bucks on a short, transitory game whose quality is guaranteed, as opposed to the sort of bargain-bin release like Ride to Hell: Retribution (this is obviously an extreme, but still)
It's just up to people to rationalize their purchase and consider their personal value on what GZ is for them, like Apple users considering the brand premium they pay for or a particularly expensive pharmacy that marks their prescriptions up based on a service. If people can say "this game is personally worth $30 to me because it carries the weight of Kojima's direction/from research I believe the experience of having this game now will satisfy my curiosities and the $30 price point feels reasonable for such curiosity, etc." then power to them. If people don't personally value Ground Zeroes at $30 because all they see is a glorified demo, that's okay too!
I'm not fine with the price.
Let's take our "defend the honor of Metal Gear we love so much" hats off for a second, sit down at the table, and have a real good look at that price, and the size of what we got for that price.
You guys are getting willingly shafted.
I mean, you know, I can understand. S&M and all that. Some people like pain.
But really.
If you don't want to buy it now, that's great. Some of us would rather not wait another year. It's especially silly considering many people bought ZOE which was a full priced game for MGS2's demo anyway. This is much more reasonable compared to that.
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Dark Raven XLaugh hard, run fast,be kindRegistered Userregular
Yeah, we joke about it, but a lot of people (especially in this thread) really did buy ZoE for the MGS2 demo. I was not of purchasing age then, but my uncle sure did, and I played the demo over and over way more than ZoE.
Also, some people have more money than other people. Some people also value money differently. If you don't want it don't buy it, but don't pretend to be the authority on value.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
I'm not fine with the price.
Let's take our "defend the honor of Metal Gear we love so much" hats off for a second, sit down at the table, and have a real good look at that price, and the size of what we got for that price.
You guys are getting willingly shafted.
I mean, you know, I can understand. S&M and all that. Some people like pain.
But really.
Cool, thanks for telling me what I should do and how I should feel about it. I never would have known if you hadn't told me!
I feel like you are being unnecessarily antagonistic about this considering that price gouging affects all consumers, not just the ones who are happy with it.
This isn't a situation where the opinions of others cannot affect me. This is a situation where everybody who has bought this over priced thing have indirectly impacted me (and every other consumer) by showing that raising the price in this way is an acceptable thing for a company to do. The way that other people feel about this directly impacts me in a practical fashion.
I do not think that I am being unreasonable by pointing this out.
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I would have no problem buying this "demo" if it meant I get a discount on the real game later, with the total cost being the same as any other game.
As it is, I'm not paying 20-30 bucks for this just to turn around and have to shell out another 60-70 later on. Especially when the (hopefully) smart call is having them bundle in GZ in with TFP.
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
edited March 2014
I also do not think I am the authority on acceptable pricing. I judge acceptable pricing by the average. It is extremely abnormal for a game with such a small amount of first time content to be listed at this price. The judgement that this is a higher price than average is not based on my opinion. I can point to the average price of games of this type, the average number of first time hours you get out of it, and I can say "This is shorter than average. This is a higher price than average for something this short."
All I want to do, though, is point it out. If people disagree with me, well, there's nothing I can do about it, is there? I'm not interested in going any further than this.
My initial post was partly in jest, btw. I don't really think it equates to S&M!
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I'm not fine with the price.
Let's take our "defend the honor of Metal Gear we love so much" hats off for a second, sit down at the table, and have a real good look at that price, and the size of what we got for that price.
You guys are getting willingly shafted.
I mean, you know, I can understand. S&M and all that. Some people like pain.
But really.
Cool, thanks for telling me what I should do and how I should feel about it. I never would have known if you hadn't told me!
I feel like you are being unnecessarily antagonistic about this considering that price gouging affects all consumers, not just the ones who are happy with it.
This isn't a situation where the opinions of others cannot affect me. This is a situation where everybody who has bought this over priced thing have indirectly impacted me (and every other consumer) by showing that raising the price in this way is an acceptable thing for a company to do. The way that other people feel about this directly impacts me in a practical fashion.
I do not think that I am being unreasonable by pointing this out.
And now you have. But this is similar in some ways to people arguing others are spending "too much" Kickstarting Star Citizen. If people don't see the value, they won't buy it, but many do. I see the value in it, but this isn't a consumer conspiracy to make you, personally, pay more for a game. :P
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MorninglordI'm tired of being Batman,so today I'll be Owl.Registered Userregular
I'm not fine with the price.
Let's take our "defend the honor of Metal Gear we love so much" hats off for a second, sit down at the table, and have a real good look at that price, and the size of what we got for that price.
You guys are getting willingly shafted.
I mean, you know, I can understand. S&M and all that. Some people like pain.
But really.
Cool, thanks for telling me what I should do and how I should feel about it. I never would have known if you hadn't told me!
I feel like you are being unnecessarily antagonistic about this considering that price gouging affects all consumers, not just the ones who are happy with it.
This isn't a situation where the opinions of others cannot affect me. This is a situation where everybody who has bought this over priced thing have indirectly impacted me (and every other consumer) by showing that raising the price in this way is an acceptable thing for a company to do. The way that other people feel about this directly impacts me in a practical fashion.
I do not think that I am being unreasonable by pointing this out.
And now you have. But this is similar in some ways to people arguing others are spending "too much" Kickstarting Star Citizen. If people don't see the value, they won't buy it, but many do. I see the value in it, but this isn't a consumer conspiracy to make you, personally, pay more for a game. :P
Of course not! That isn't how group decisions work. Pointing out that a group decision is being made, however, can affect change in that decision. That's all I can hope to do. If it doesn't happen there isn't anything I can do about it.
I'm describing consequences, not claiming intent. Large scale consumer decisions of this nature don't have a singular intent: it's a lot of individual decisions all happening at once. All I can do is try to point out the mass impact of that decision and hope it is taken into consideration by some of the individuals involved. That is what I am doing here.
I think a few of you are taking this too personally. I am not saying any of you are out to get me. That would be ridiculous.
I don't begrudge anyone their happy game either. Go play it and be happy.
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I also do not think I am the authority on acceptable pricing. I judge acceptable pricing by the average. It is extremely abnormal for a game with such a small amount of first time content to be listed at this price. The judgement that this is a higher price than average is not based on my opinion. I can point to the average price of games of this type, the average number of first time hours you get out of it, and I can say "This is shorter than average. This is a higher price than average for something this short."
All I want to do, though, is point it out. If people disagree with me, well, there's nothing I can do about it, is there? I'm not interested in going any further than this.
My initial post was partly in jest, btw. I don't really think it equates to S&M. I would hope that is clear at least.
Do you calculate all your game purchases based on this math?
Yes: You are a robot, and there is no reasoning with you.
No: You use your own judgement, just like I'm using my own judgement.
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It does succeed though in making me want The Phantom Pain real fucking bad. The basic gameplay is fantastic. And after you beat it it unlocked more side-missions Peace Walker style to play around with the game more outside of the story.
Side note. I am immensely disappointed that the American cover doesn't have Kaz on it for some stupid fucking reason. At the very least it has a reversible cover with Big Boss in the traditional series artwork that's pretty good (outside a stupid safety warning on the back) and makes it fit in with the MGS1-3 covers perfectly.... but why no Kaz? Seriously?
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Because America has this thing about putting the face of the main character front and center on the artwork.
The politics of American game cover art is actually pretty funny and sad.
i've heard of a few
Question: Am I crazy for wanting to fully equip ZEKE? All parts, all boards, etc.? I assume that eventually requires taking on the super-hard versions of the AI bosses.
Speaking of ZEKE... did it appear anywhere in Ground Zeroes?
When I got back to the main menu it tells me I only have 10% completion, excited to get that to 100%
I am going to have to put in the time to practice anyway. Moving attack from R1 to R2 is messing with my head fierce.
Also, end credit question, feel kind of dumb for asking it but:
Obviously Snake himself was inspired by many characters like Snake Plissken, but the crazy world of 24 could practically be a Metal Gear setting if only it had giant robots.
I didn't know who it was even suppose to be at first.
I mean I don't have any opinions on the quality of it yet since I just started though.
One of the screens: A black image, with HIDEO in green in the corner. That's it.
Everyone mistakenly thought it had something to do with Metal Gear because of the title, producer, director, character names, and story.
lol you are right. I didn't even look at the box before.
I would freak if they introduced a drone/unmanned terror weapon threat in a later season. That's about the only kind of threat Jack hasn't dealt with other than asteroid collisions and dinosaurs. :P
On the topic of GZ, I won't be able to play it until this weekend, but as a starter question for those who have it, what are the controls? It sounds like they've moved away from the MGS4 setup?
What about psychics and cyborgs?
I'm not saying 24 never had any of that. I'm saying if they didn't get around to it, they should.
Why I fear the ocean.
It's 12 now.
1,3,5,7 are the best seasons.
2,4,6,8 are not the best seasons.
They really wanted to show off the engine.
I have to say out of all the games in the series this has some of the most intuitive controls. It seems like the took note of the way a lot of western shooters work and went from there. It can be a bit disorienting but you get used to it.
As for the graphics, I played next gen and I have to say stuff like the lighting and effects are really impressive. That said you can tell that this game was made to operate on last gen systems too because a lot of the textures aren't a good as they could be.
As for the story itself, there isn't a lot to go on honestly, that said from what I did play it seems like Kojima wants to go for a very serious tone this time around. I would say overall it was pretty grim. That said it still had that B-Movie action feel to it so I wonder how it'll all work out.
I also only got a B rank my first time, but man adjusting to how enemy sight works took some doing.
Also, I don't remember if MGS3 had it but there is a quick restart/checkpoint system this time around. That said you can't use it for free to get that perfect playthrough because there is a 300 point penalty every time you use it.
and 8 had the scene "THAT'S JACK BAUER! HES COMING FOR MEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeee" in which i forgave every bad episode ever.
Let's take our "defend the honor of Metal Gear we love so much" hats off for a second, sit down at the table, and have a real good look at that price, and the size of what we got for that price.
You guys are getting willingly shafted.
I mean, you know, I can understand. S&M and all that. Some people like pain.
But really.
That said, for what we did get I would say 15-20 bucks would have been far more reasonable.
Cool, thanks for telling me what I should do and how I should feel about it. I never would have known if you hadn't told me!
If you want to spend the money on the game then go ahead.
If you don't just wait a few months for a price drop or not at all if that's your prerogative.
It's just up to people to rationalize their purchase and consider their personal value on what GZ is for them, like Apple users considering the brand premium they pay for or a particularly expensive pharmacy that marks their prescriptions up based on a service. If people can say "this game is personally worth $30 to me because it carries the weight of Kojima's direction/from research I believe the experience of having this game now will satisfy my curiosities and the $30 price point feels reasonable for such curiosity, etc." then power to them. If people don't personally value Ground Zeroes at $30 because all they see is a glorified demo, that's okay too!
If you don't want to buy it now, that's great. Some of us would rather not wait another year. It's especially silly considering many people bought ZOE which was a full priced game for MGS2's demo anyway. This is much more reasonable compared to that.
...but then, ZoE was like 3 hours long too. :P
I feel like you are being unnecessarily antagonistic about this considering that price gouging affects all consumers, not just the ones who are happy with it.
This isn't a situation where the opinions of others cannot affect me. This is a situation where everybody who has bought this over priced thing have indirectly impacted me (and every other consumer) by showing that raising the price in this way is an acceptable thing for a company to do. The way that other people feel about this directly impacts me in a practical fashion.
I do not think that I am being unreasonable by pointing this out.
As it is, I'm not paying 20-30 bucks for this just to turn around and have to shell out another 60-70 later on. Especially when the (hopefully) smart call is having them bundle in GZ in with TFP.
All I want to do, though, is point it out. If people disagree with me, well, there's nothing I can do about it, is there? I'm not interested in going any further than this.
My initial post was partly in jest, btw. I don't really think it equates to S&M!
And now you have. But this is similar in some ways to people arguing others are spending "too much" Kickstarting Star Citizen. If people don't see the value, they won't buy it, but many do. I see the value in it, but this isn't a consumer conspiracy to make you, personally, pay more for a game. :P
Of course not! That isn't how group decisions work. Pointing out that a group decision is being made, however, can affect change in that decision. That's all I can hope to do. If it doesn't happen there isn't anything I can do about it.
I'm describing consequences, not claiming intent. Large scale consumer decisions of this nature don't have a singular intent: it's a lot of individual decisions all happening at once. All I can do is try to point out the mass impact of that decision and hope it is taken into consideration by some of the individuals involved. That is what I am doing here.
I think a few of you are taking this too personally. I am not saying any of you are out to get me. That would be ridiculous.
I don't begrudge anyone their happy game either. Go play it and be happy.
Do you calculate all your game purchases based on this math?
Yes: You are a robot, and there is no reasoning with you.
No: You use your own judgement, just like I'm using my own judgement.