The primary use of all magic is murder and the facilitating of murder.
I would know.
Incidentally this is also the primary use of hands.
Yes but blood magic turns a single pair of hands from a tool for murder into a weapon of mass destruction. Not saying thats all they can be used for but that is the common fear of its application, and save for a significant few that is how it is commonly put into pratice
Well, unless you are the leader of, say, an army. Then you have a whole bunch of hands, and if you go crazy (or unquestioningly follow a sociopathic dogma) then you also have tools for mass destruction. One that's more widespread and damaging in the long run. And the short run. And the problem isn't the blood magic, the problem is the people and how to deal with them. For example, it would probably be more effective to teach mages how to fight demonic influence and to kill them than to Harrow them, potentially laying in deep wounds that don't manifest for quite awhile. But no, it's all the blood magic that's the problem.
Basically, there is no overwhelmingly good side in this. The templars are bastards, the Circle mages are easily influenced and don't know what they're doing, the Qunari are fanatics, the Tevinters are blood sacrificing slavers, and the Wardens are single minded obsessives. On the other side, the templars keep order and (mostly) genuinely want to keep the peace, the Circle mages simply desire freedom and education so they can stay clear of demonic influence, the Qunari give everyone a function and no one starves and so on, and the Tevinters teach their mages properly, and the Wardens fight the Blight.
Well, unless you are the leader of, say, an army. Then you have a whole bunch of hands, and if you go crazy (or unquestioningly follow a sociopathic dogma) then you also have tools for mass destruction.
Don't forget they're a bunch of dependent addicts relying on you for their next fix!
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Well, unless you are the leader of, say, an army. Then you have a whole bunch of hands, and if you go crazy (or unquestioningly follow a sociopathic dogma) then you also have tools for mass destruction.
Don't forget they're a bunch of dependent addicts relying on you for their next fix!
I wasn't sure if the lyrium thing was just a few or everybody. I couldn't remember.
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Oh make no mistake I understand that this entire issue is grey. A friend of mine and I joked on the implication of an order of blood mage healers that used their own blood to remedy severe ailments that couldn’t be healed by traditional magic.
Flemeth herself states that blood magic itself is simply a tool that can be used however the one wielding it wishes.
I can understand the mages desire to be free but that desire has to be tempered with a will to bring low those who use magic to dominate and destroy others. Now Kirkwall is a bit of a cluster due to the way overdone actions of the Templar but at the same time it is the duty of the first enchanter to enforce the law upon the members of the circle. Something Orsino seems unwilling to do in the face of the heavy handed tactics of the Templars.
Had both groups been willing to back off their positions even a little bit then this could have been avoided and we wouldn’t have had an act 3. Meredith has witnessed what happens when mages go out of control, but Orsino being both dalish and a mage has lived under people who go too far in the use of their power and is trying to protect the mages from just that. It’s a bad situation all the way around.
Blood magic is simply the spark to ignite the powder keg. Blood Magic is a known factor that many fear few understand and several abuse. While the use of blood magic shouldn’t instantly condemn a particular mage it does raise fear and distrust. The fact that Orsino tries to discredit Meredith's fear of possible blood mages in Kirkwall despite the numerous blood mages that you encounter is done because acknowledging a blood mage would implicate the circle as a whole regardless of how innocent they are. That’s what Blood Magic is. No matter how much of a tool it is blood magic is seen much like nuclear energy. It can make your life and the lives of those around you better but no matter how well you use it people will always wonder what else you are doing with it
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Had both groups been willing to back off their positions even a little bit then this could have been avoided and we wouldn’t have had an act 3. Meredith has witnessed what happens when mages go out of control, but Orsino being both dalish and a mage has lived under people who go too far in the use of their power and is trying to protect the mages from just that. It’s a bad situation all the way around.
Blood magic is simply the spark to ignite the powder keg. Blood Magic is a known factor that many fear few understand and several abuse. While the use of blood magic shouldn’t instantly condemn a particular mage it does raise fear and distrust. The fact that Orsino tries to discredit Meredith's fear of possible blood mages in Kirkwall despite the numerous blood mages that you encounter is done because acknowledging a blood mage would implicate the circle as a whole regardless of how innocent they are. That’s what Blood Magic is. No matter how much of a tool it is blood magic is seen much like nuclear energy. It can make your life and the lives of those around you better but no matter how well you use it people will always wonder what else you are doing with it
Well that's the point, isn't it. The problem is that the Templars' fears are actually justified, but their methods do not help, and the Mages' desires are completely understandable, but their only pathway to standing up damns them. And neither trusts the other at all (again, with good reason), so neither is willing to budge.
Which is why Anders does what he does.
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Well, unless you are the leader of, say, an army. Then you have a whole bunch of hands, and if you go crazy (or unquestioningly follow a sociopathic dogma) then you also have tools for mass destruction.
Don't forget they're a bunch of dependent addicts relying on you for their next fix!
I wasn't sure if the lyrium thing was just a few or everybody. I couldn't remember.
The lyrium addicition is only the Templars I believe. the chantry's primary means of maintaining control due to their control of the lyrium trade
You know, I was on the side of the Mages up until this point, but I swear, if I have to side with the Templars now...
Anders Act 3:
He's just one mage. And all the other Abominations are the dumb mages, so the herd has been culled already. Don't let the oppressive Templar's tempt you to the side of darkness over one mages inability to tell Templar Building from Chantry Building.
He's also specifically a mage who is not a part of the Circle at all
So punishing them for it is extra dumb.
I still ultimately joined the Mages, but I backed up my save first just in case. I killed Anders too, I just wish it wasn't a literal knife to the back. He needed to see me stab him as his punishment. Though him thinking he'd be a martyr in death, and ending up just wriggling around on the ground while Mages across the Free Marches rallied in the name of The Champion is a nice end.
Oh and to paraphrase Brick; I killed Meredith, and I smiled while I did it.
Aveline: What now, mage?
Anders: Nothing.
Aveline: Right. Any second I'll surrender to the almighty power of "guard captain" and enslave all mages.
Anders: What are you talking about?
Aveline: Look out. Authority. Ooh.
Anders: Shut up.
Aveline: You're glaring, Anders. Is there a reason, or is it one of your moods?
Anders: Your term as captain hasn't been particularly "mage friendly."
Aveline: I've only turned a handful over to the templars.
Anders: Every despot starts somewhere.
Aveline: And yet I allow an abomination to whine at me! Credit where it's due.
Blood magic is not like nuclear power. It's incredibly corrupting.
Magic works a lot like physical strength in DA. You can only work with as much energy as you possess. Even a person with a lot of potential cannot do powerful spells if they do not train.
Blood magic allows a Mage to bypass this physical limitation. The problem comes from when the Mage hits that limit as well. What is the next natural step if you are trying to accomplish a project and you don't have enough blood to do it yourself? You start using the blood of others. Maybe you don't always kill the person, but you are still using them.
Blood magic is unrestricted power based only upon your needs vs your morality. There is no other restriction aside from how much blood is on hand. No muscle to wear out, no machine to fuel.
How many mages have we seen with this restraint? Three at best?
The rest use that power to kill and control others.
If we gave a bulldozer to children, how many would use that tool responsibly? Maybe 1 out of 100?
Is that worth the risk?
Yet we've seen Tevinter succumb to slavery, twice, to fuel their blood magic. We've seen what happens in Kirkwall as well.
Blaming Merideth may seem fair, but it's not. She's just a symptom of a problem caused by blood mages. So many mages become abominations because of how thin the Veil is. I think the report to the Divine was that abominations were three times as likely in Kirkwall because of he thin Veil.
There should never have been a Circle in the City. Merideths actions are justified (before she goes crazy).
But whose fault is it that the Veil is so thin in Kirkwall?
Blood mages.
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You know, I was on the side of the Mages up until this point, but I swear, if I have to side with the Templars now...
There really is no right or wrong answer since the leaders of the mages and the templars are both fucking terrible.
Meredith is a paranoid who is constantly putting the screws to the mages because she thinks Orsino is being less then forthright (a situation exacerbated by the lyrium idol) but Orsino
utterly failed as First enchanter since it's his job to help guide the mages in the city and when they fuck up and start performing blood magic it is his duty to inform the templars. By failing to do so he actually vindicated the idea that the circle was deliberately hiding blood mages, including the one that was building his very own frankenbride over the course of 9 years.
That is not entirely fair though. Giving up mages for blood magic would probably feel to Orvino like someone in our world giving up their kinsmen to a government doing ethnic cleansing because they were stealing food to survive. He also probably only heard the blood mages' sides of the stories, which were no doubt whitewashed.
Also, Orsino doesn't want to give up blood mages because Orsino is a blood mage.
I'm not sure he ever really used blood magic before the end?
I mean obviously he knew the spell but it feels as if he only used it in his final act of desperation
This is correct. Up to that point it was all theoretical.
While his personal use of Blood magic was indeed theoretical he did lie constantly yo the templars and the people in general stating that there were no blood magtes in kirkwall. Remember the big spell he uses in the end came from his friend, a confessed murderer and blood mage who also turns your mom into the bride of frankenstien. It dosent condemn the circle but is does prove Orsino a failure
From what I recall Orsino never lied about there not being blood mages?
He does ask you to keep a low profile while investigating some, because he wasn't sure what they were doing yet
Though I'll admit that for the narrative I'd prefer it if Orsino had no ties to Quinten and didn't go batshit when you side with him.
If orsino didn't know about the blood mages (which I find extremely hard to believe considering he was hiding quentin) He goes from complicit to incompetent which frankly isn't any better when the results are the same. If orsino had been worthy of his position he would have done everything in his power to stamp out blood mage outbreaks instead of throwing up a smoke screen of BS before the woman who is in charge of policing him.
Seriously: Orsino was different kind of douche then meredith and not some tragic fallen angel.
Any of the DA2 DLC worth it now that I've beaten the game? Or was it more important to have it before I started?
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Well...I believe the game doesn't save the ending.
I would say that Legacy can be played at any time(actually better to play at the end of the game).
MotA makes more sense to be played during Act 2 but it doesn't really matter either.
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Hmm, looks like I actually need to finish my final DA2 playthrough sometime this year for DA3. Anyone think that siding with the templars or mages at the end will have any meaningful impact? My inclination is 'no'.
turning to blood magic out of desperation? Blood Magic is A-OK if you're not a fucking idiot, but like all mages we see who aren't Hawke or Merril Kirkwall is brimming with them. Orisino is no exception. There was no desperation to be had, Hawk was RIGHT THERE KICKING ASS. Then Orsino's stupid geas kicks in and "OH NOES! ABOM TIME!" while Hawke is just looking around at all the dead Templars and shaking his head...
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"For no one - no one in this world can you trust. Not men. Not women. Not beasts...this you can trust."
Hmm, looks like I actually need to finish my final DA2 playthrough sometime this year for DA3. Anyone think that siding with the templars or mages at the end will have any meaningful impact? My inclination is 'no'.
Same, but...
Isn't Hawke made Viscount if she supports the Templars?
Hmm, looks like I actually need to finish my final DA2 playthrough sometime this year for DA3. Anyone think that siding with the templars or mages at the end will have any meaningful impact? My inclination is 'no'.
Same, but...
Isn't Hawke made Viscount if she supports the Templars?
yup.
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Hmm, looks like I actually need to finish my final DA2 playthrough sometime this year for DA3. Anyone think that siding with the templars or mages at the end will have any meaningful impact? My inclination is 'no'.
Same, but...
Isn't Hawke made Viscount if she supports the Templars?
yup.
Hm, I forgot about that. But I think he leaves in the end anyways. That might have some impact.
I forgot how much of an asshole that Sister Mother Petrice is in this Act.
I've never been a fan of the Chantry, and I hate the Qunari more, but I can't help but feel a small twinge from all this dickishness going around.
When I confronted the Grand Cleric with it, she didn't deny that she knew of the kidnappings, which made me want to punch her.
Petrice though, she's gonna get the murder knife if I can arrange it.
Also, I kicked Anders from the group after his little incident and he left Kirkwall. I'm curious to see how much that changes the game. I'd kick Merril too, but for all her stupidity, I can't help it, she's kind of adorable. Like Homer Simpson, after the fifth time he almost melts down a nuclear power plant.
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I don't give her the artifact that the Keeper intrusted to me and she calls Hawke a shem? Busting out the racism like that, because I agree that the Mirror not worth it and she made a mistake in trying to repair it and making a deal with a demon to get blood magic.
But no, of course I was "stealing" a piece of elven history. Not protecting her and the world from a demon.
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I don't give her the artifact that the Keeper intrusted to me and she calls Hawke a shem? Busting out the racism like that, because I agree that the Mirror not worth it and she made a mistake in trying to repair it and making a deal with a demon to get blood magic.
But no, of course I was "stealing" a piece of elven history. Not protecting her and the world from a demon.
I forgot how involved [REDACTED] was in All That Remains.
My dear friend,
I have obtained the books you requested. I'll leave them at our usual hiding spot. Please collect them as soon as possible. I would hate to see them in the wrong hands!
Your last letter was fascinating! You have proven me wrong, once again, by doing the impossible. I shouldn't have doubted your resolve, and I hope you will keep me apprised of further progress.
Your friend and colleague,
O
Fucker didn't just know about it, he was complicit.
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I forgot how involved [REDACTED] was in All That Remains.
My dear friend,
I have obtained the books you requested. I'll leave them at our usual hiding spot. Please collect them as soon as possible. I would hate to see them in the wrong hands!
Your last letter was fascinating! You have proven me wrong, once again, by doing the impossible. I shouldn't have doubted your resolve, and I hope you will keep me apprised of further progress.
Your friend and colleague,
O
Fucker didn't just know about it, he was complicit.
Certainly makes it hard to side with the Mages. I think my cannon run may involve a mage Hawke that sides with the Templars.
I forgot how involved [REDACTED] was in All That Remains.
My dear friend,
I have obtained the books you requested. I'll leave them at our usual hiding spot. Please collect them as soon as possible. I would hate to see them in the wrong hands!
Your last letter was fascinating! You have proven me wrong, once again, by doing the impossible. I shouldn't have doubted your resolve, and I hope you will keep me apprised of further progress.
Your friend and colleague,
O
Fucker didn't just know about it, he was complicit.
Certainly makes it hard to side with the Mages. I think my cannon run may involve a mage Hawke that sides with the Templars.
That's what I'm doing right now. I took force mage so I'm not a hypocrite. I'll not take blood mage. Fireballs and crushing prison seem to be getting the job done well enough. Besides, I get more of a power rush from manipulating the powers of space-time and the energy of the universe than I do from mucking about with blood.
So, Avelline. I'm not romancing anyone, so she was the one to come after All That Remains. At first, I thought it was gonna be eye-rollingly awkward, like when you romance someone, but it was actually really, really sweet and emotional. Seemed real too. She talked about her father and how it made her feel, then she invited Hawke out for a drink. I was really touched.
Also, when talking to the female guards, she said, "Donnic beds the Captian and he gets tougher patrols? Boy should climb a hill now and then." :winky:
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While I agree that the Guard who raped the elves sister deserved to die, especially since Avelline has asked Hawke for legally questionable assistance in the past, they only went to the Arishok in order to hide. He is smart enough to know this, but I think he just wanted an excuse to take on the whole city.
But maybe he isn't so smart. The Viscount said that he only had a few hundred soldiers, which the Viscount also said he lost a significant number of those due to abandoning the Qun and then killing each other. So he had no real chance of actually holding Kirkwall in the long run. Plus, if he dies, he also won't find the book.
I blame Kirkwall, the Veil just makes everyone crazy there. It's like the slime in Ghostbusters 2, the place just fucks with everyone.
Also, Merideth popped by, she doesn't have her Super Saiyan sword yet, so she isn't crazy. She does have the relic though, Bartrand said as much.
Of note, she said that she would ignore Hawke's use of magic, because of the greater threat. It shows that she has a pragmatic side and isn't as extreme as others fear her to be. I don't actually believe that the Kirkwall Circle is as bad as some of the mages, especially Anders, have spoken of. It was just that dick, Ser Alrik, who was making shit bad by Tranquing mages without permission. I mean, that one human/elf mage wasn't killed or made Tranquil after three years in the Circle and having demon infested nightmares. It's not like the Templars didn't know about him either, since it was a Templar who brought the kid in!
No, I think it's Orsino. His stupid ass encourages blood magic and probably suggests that mages run away or incite chaos in Kirkwall. Or both.
Sure, Merideth becomes an issue later, but if she didn't have the stupid Idol, she would have been fine. You know who wouldn't have been fine? The blood mage First Enchanter and the abomination who murders a lot of people.
Also, she's kind of a badass, I love how she just casually murders that Saarabas.
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I didn't sell your precious Wesley's shield! It's safely in my storage back in my mansion. No need to trip.
Silly game.
Incidentally, I actually did sell that shield, and she never talked to me about it
My understanding is that Wesley's Shield Status is bugged somehow.
The three flags should be "sold", "in inventory", and "currently equipped by Aveline". For whatever reason, putting it in storage counts as selling it. She says something similar no matter where it is, but yeah it's a bit irritating.
Meh, she ignores Hawke's use of magic because the game would end if you were forced to murder her bigoted face off. :P
Agreed. Though, I wouldn't call her a bigot, per say. She's kinda justified in her actions, for the most part.
Killed the Arishok in a one-on-one duel. He was so cute, trying to melee down a mage, while I used crushing prison and frost bolts. He didn't even attack me, since my handy mabari was on hand to eat him.
Who's a good boy? You're a good boy!
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Act III opens up, Orsino is inciting a riot. You don't catch this before, but now, the guy is a fucking hypocrite!
He blames Merideth's use of heavy handed tactics -which I have yet to actually see- because of a few blood mages. The same blood mages that he supports, assists, and trains with. And that's really the catch, isn't it? Through all of Acts I and II, we have yet to see any real dickish attitude by Merideth's orders. The blood mages in the cave murdered a lot of people, yet they are still alive. Let me say this again, the apostate blood mages that murdered a lot of people, that were taken into the Circle six years ago, were not executed or made tranquil, they are still alive and well!
Merideth had nothing to do with the traquil loving asshole in Act II, she actively rejected his idea. You don't see any other mage abuse, aside from that. Matter of fact, a lot of the mages seem to be given rather fair treatment, given the circumstances. The mages that have demon infested nightmares and used blood magic, are given another chance and not executed or made tranquil. Matter of fact, some of the mages in the gallows even say that they are not that bad off and more mages should accept their life, because of how dangerous magic can be.
Same with the Templar whom was about to become an abomination, he's still alive too. And in the Order still. Most of the Templars seem fairly cool, even Cullin, who is kind of a dick because of what happened to him in DA:O, isn't that agressive towards the mages.
No, this is all Orsino's fault. And Anders. Merideth was just crazy.
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Guess I didn't have enough rep with Isabella to keep her. Ah well, I have plenty of DPS, though she did do a fantastic job of both tanking and killing.
Question, does she have any interesting dialog in Assassins?
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Well, unless you are the leader of, say, an army. Then you have a whole bunch of hands, and if you go crazy (or unquestioningly follow a sociopathic dogma) then you also have tools for mass destruction. One that's more widespread and damaging in the long run. And the short run. And the problem isn't the blood magic, the problem is the people and how to deal with them. For example, it would probably be more effective to teach mages how to fight demonic influence and to kill them than to Harrow them, potentially laying in deep wounds that don't manifest for quite awhile. But no, it's all the blood magic that's the problem.
Basically, there is no overwhelmingly good side in this. The templars are bastards, the Circle mages are easily influenced and don't know what they're doing, the Qunari are fanatics, the Tevinters are blood sacrificing slavers, and the Wardens are single minded obsessives. On the other side, the templars keep order and (mostly) genuinely want to keep the peace, the Circle mages simply desire freedom and education so they can stay clear of demonic influence, the Qunari give everyone a function and no one starves and so on, and the Tevinters teach their mages properly, and the Wardens fight the Blight.
Don't forget they're a bunch of dependent addicts relying on you for their next fix!
I wasn't sure if the lyrium thing was just a few or everybody. I couldn't remember.
Flemeth herself states that blood magic itself is simply a tool that can be used however the one wielding it wishes.
I can understand the mages desire to be free but that desire has to be tempered with a will to bring low those who use magic to dominate and destroy others. Now Kirkwall is a bit of a cluster due to the way overdone actions of the Templar but at the same time it is the duty of the first enchanter to enforce the law upon the members of the circle. Something Orsino seems unwilling to do in the face of the heavy handed tactics of the Templars.
Had both groups been willing to back off their positions even a little bit then this could have been avoided and we wouldn’t have had an act 3. Meredith has witnessed what happens when mages go out of control, but Orsino being both dalish and a mage has lived under people who go too far in the use of their power and is trying to protect the mages from just that. It’s a bad situation all the way around.
Blood magic is simply the spark to ignite the powder keg. Blood Magic is a known factor that many fear few understand and several abuse. While the use of blood magic shouldn’t instantly condemn a particular mage it does raise fear and distrust. The fact that Orsino tries to discredit Meredith's fear of possible blood mages in Kirkwall despite the numerous blood mages that you encounter is done because acknowledging a blood mage would implicate the circle as a whole regardless of how innocent they are. That’s what Blood Magic is. No matter how much of a tool it is blood magic is seen much like nuclear energy. It can make your life and the lives of those around you better but no matter how well you use it people will always wonder what else you are doing with it
Well that's the point, isn't it. The problem is that the Templars' fears are actually justified, but their methods do not help, and the Mages' desires are completely understandable, but their only pathway to standing up damns them. And neither trusts the other at all (again, with good reason), so neither is willing to budge.
Which is why Anders does what he does.
The lyrium addicition is only the Templars I believe. the chantry's primary means of maintaining control due to their control of the lyrium trade
Oh and to paraphrase Brick; I killed Meredith, and I smiled while I did it.
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Magic works a lot like physical strength in DA. You can only work with as much energy as you possess. Even a person with a lot of potential cannot do powerful spells if they do not train.
Blood magic allows a Mage to bypass this physical limitation. The problem comes from when the Mage hits that limit as well. What is the next natural step if you are trying to accomplish a project and you don't have enough blood to do it yourself? You start using the blood of others. Maybe you don't always kill the person, but you are still using them.
Blood magic is unrestricted power based only upon your needs vs your morality. There is no other restriction aside from how much blood is on hand. No muscle to wear out, no machine to fuel.
How many mages have we seen with this restraint? Three at best?
The rest use that power to kill and control others.
If we gave a bulldozer to children, how many would use that tool responsibly? Maybe 1 out of 100?
Is that worth the risk?
Yet we've seen Tevinter succumb to slavery, twice, to fuel their blood magic. We've seen what happens in Kirkwall as well.
Blaming Merideth may seem fair, but it's not. She's just a symptom of a problem caused by blood mages. So many mages become abominations because of how thin the Veil is. I think the report to the Divine was that abominations were three times as likely in Kirkwall because of he thin Veil.
There should never have been a Circle in the City. Merideths actions are justified (before she goes crazy).
But whose fault is it that the Veil is so thin in Kirkwall?
Blood mages.
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Seriously: Orsino was different kind of douche then meredith and not some tragic fallen angel.
I would say that Legacy can be played at any time(actually better to play at the end of the game).
MotA makes more sense to be played during Act 2 but it doesn't really matter either.
Come again?
yup.
Hm, I forgot about that. But I think he leaves in the end anyways. That might have some impact.
I forgot how much of an asshole that Sister Mother Petrice is in this Act.
I've never been a fan of the Chantry, and I hate the Qunari more, but I can't help but feel a small twinge from all this dickishness going around.
When I confronted the Grand Cleric with it, she didn't deny that she knew of the kidnappings, which made me want to punch her.
Petrice though, she's gonna get the murder knife if I can arrange it.
Also, I kicked Anders from the group after his little incident and he left Kirkwall. I'm curious to see how much that changes the game. I'd kick Merril too, but for all her stupidity, I can't help it, she's kind of adorable. Like Homer Simpson, after the fifth time he almost melts down a nuclear power plant.
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Merril: Oh Pol, why did you run? He looked at me like I was a monster!
Fenris: You are a monster.
I'm liking Fenris a lot more. The venom he said that with! Sent shivvers down my spine.
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I don't give her the artifact that the Keeper intrusted to me and she calls Hawke a shem? Busting out the racism like that, because I agree that the Mirror not worth it and she made a mistake in trying to repair it and making a deal with a demon to get blood magic.
But no, of course I was "stealing" a piece of elven history. Not protecting her and the world from a demon.
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I didn't sell your precious Wesley's shield! It's safely in my storage back in my mansion. No need to trip.
Silly game.
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Waaaay better. Heh.
Fucker didn't just know about it, he was complicit.
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Certainly makes it hard to side with the Mages. I think my cannon run may involve a mage Hawke that sides with the Templars.
That's what I'm doing right now. I took force mage so I'm not a hypocrite. I'll not take blood mage. Fireballs and crushing prison seem to be getting the job done well enough. Besides, I get more of a power rush from manipulating the powers of space-time and the energy of the universe than I do from mucking about with blood.
So, Avelline. I'm not romancing anyone, so she was the one to come after All That Remains. At first, I thought it was gonna be eye-rollingly awkward, like when you romance someone, but it was actually really, really sweet and emotional. Seemed real too. She talked about her father and how it made her feel, then she invited Hawke out for a drink. I was really touched.
Also, when talking to the female guards, she said, "Donnic beds the Captian and he gets tougher patrols? Boy should climb a hill now and then." :winky:
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Incidentally, I actually did sell that shield, and she never talked to me about it
Did you give her the Shield gift? That's when she brings it up. Possibly only with certain dialogue choices though.
It's even better with Isabela along too.
Fenris: You are a monster.
Isabela: You're not helping.
Fenris: Good.
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While I agree that the Guard who raped the elves sister deserved to die, especially since Avelline has asked Hawke for legally questionable assistance in the past, they only went to the Arishok in order to hide. He is smart enough to know this, but I think he just wanted an excuse to take on the whole city.
But maybe he isn't so smart. The Viscount said that he only had a few hundred soldiers, which the Viscount also said he lost a significant number of those due to abandoning the Qun and then killing each other. So he had no real chance of actually holding Kirkwall in the long run. Plus, if he dies, he also won't find the book.
I blame Kirkwall, the Veil just makes everyone crazy there. It's like the slime in Ghostbusters 2, the place just fucks with everyone.
Also, Merideth popped by, she doesn't have her Super Saiyan sword yet, so she isn't crazy. She does have the relic though, Bartrand said as much.
Of note, she said that she would ignore Hawke's use of magic, because of the greater threat. It shows that she has a pragmatic side and isn't as extreme as others fear her to be. I don't actually believe that the Kirkwall Circle is as bad as some of the mages, especially Anders, have spoken of. It was just that dick, Ser Alrik, who was making shit bad by Tranquing mages without permission. I mean, that one human/elf mage wasn't killed or made Tranquil after three years in the Circle and having demon infested nightmares. It's not like the Templars didn't know about him either, since it was a Templar who brought the kid in!
No, I think it's Orsino. His stupid ass encourages blood magic and probably suggests that mages run away or incite chaos in Kirkwall. Or both.
Sure, Merideth becomes an issue later, but if she didn't have the stupid Idol, she would have been fine. You know who wouldn't have been fine? The blood mage First Enchanter and the abomination who murders a lot of people.
Also, she's kind of a badass, I love how she just casually murders that Saarabas.
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I think Legacy and Mark of the Assassin were both good, but in different ways. Legacy was more dungeon cr
My understanding is that Wesley's Shield Status is bugged somehow.
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The three flags should be "sold", "in inventory", and "currently equipped by Aveline". For whatever reason, putting it in storage counts as selling it. She says something similar no matter where it is, but yeah it's a bit irritating.
Agreed. Though, I wouldn't call her a bigot, per say. She's kinda justified in her actions, for the most part.
Killed the Arishok in a one-on-one duel. He was so cute, trying to melee down a mage, while I used crushing prison and frost bolts. He didn't even attack me, since my handy mabari was on hand to eat him.
Who's a good boy? You're a good boy!
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He blames Merideth's use of heavy handed tactics -which I have yet to actually see- because of a few blood mages. The same blood mages that he supports, assists, and trains with. And that's really the catch, isn't it? Through all of Acts I and II, we have yet to see any real dickish attitude by Merideth's orders. The blood mages in the cave murdered a lot of people, yet they are still alive. Let me say this again, the apostate blood mages that murdered a lot of people, that were taken into the Circle six years ago, were not executed or made tranquil, they are still alive and well!
Merideth had nothing to do with the traquil loving asshole in Act II, she actively rejected his idea. You don't see any other mage abuse, aside from that. Matter of fact, a lot of the mages seem to be given rather fair treatment, given the circumstances. The mages that have demon infested nightmares and used blood magic, are given another chance and not executed or made tranquil. Matter of fact, some of the mages in the gallows even say that they are not that bad off and more mages should accept their life, because of how dangerous magic can be.
Same with the Templar whom was about to become an abomination, he's still alive too. And in the Order still. Most of the Templars seem fairly cool, even Cullin, who is kind of a dick because of what happened to him in DA:O, isn't that agressive towards the mages.
No, this is all Orsino's fault. And Anders. Merideth was just crazy.
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Guess I didn't have enough rep with Isabella to keep her. Ah well, I have plenty of DPS, though she did do a fantastic job of both tanking and killing.
Question, does she have any interesting dialog in Assassins?
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