BrocksMulletInto the sunrise, on a jet-ski. Natch.Registered Userregular
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Basically, there are a fair number of folks who think, due to years of fiction and fictitious non-fiction, that a Katana is pretty much a lightsaber, able to cut through almost any material, a sophisticated weapon of the mysterious east, far beyond the crude chunks of metal swung by clumsy knights, who, if you knocked them on their backs, would not even be able to get up, like a sad tortise baking in the sun, because european plate armor weighs totally weighs 1000 pounds.
It's all about the warhammer, especially when fighting guys who are armored.
I doubt maces and war hammers will ever catch on despite their effectiveness against armor. Kinda sad but the fact they aren't as cool and sleek looking as swords seems to make most averse to using them . That is to say if you have a choice in an rpg, odds are most will go for a bladed weapon.
Not that swords are useless or anything , just a tad sad such effective weapons get overlooked because IMO they aren't stylish enough. ---
Admittedly I fall into this trap as well. Unless I'm like creating a giant bruiser type character and I go "big ass hammer works for the concept!"
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Big ass hammer scares me way more than sword. Sword might lacerate me and requires stitches. Big ass hammer will obliterate my bones.
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From what I understand, the main reason swords have such cultural cachet is that they were relatively expensive, so only noblemen could afford them, and thus they were more glamorous, plus probably the development of the cruciform sword and the rise of Christianity?
Big ass hammer scares me way more than sword. Sword might lacerate me and requires stitches. Big ass hammer will obliterate my bones.
I was mainly going with the "rule of cool" and what I suspect most people prefer.
No, I know. I personally don't get it because someone coming at me with, like, a machete or a small sword is way less scary than someone coming at me with a sledgehammer and that only becomes more true as the relative sizes increase.
The great part about a war hammer is in essence, you're beating an armored person like they're a drum. Ignoring the armor piercing spike, the blunt impact goes through the armor and rattles the person inside directly. A hit to limb is going to be incapacitating since they're not as protected, a heavy blow to the chest is going to leave you anywhere between momentarily stunned, gasping for air or knocking you out.
This was good, because high quality plate was not only arrow proof, but bullet proof. Late period plate was tested to withstand bullets, and if it didn't, it was considered defective. You can still see the test bullet markings on many cuirass pieces in museums. At the battle of Lepanto, one high ranking guy's chest was hit by a Turkish culverin shot, essentially light artillery. The result? The armor held, but the compression shattered the guy's ribcage and he died of asphyxiation. The armor was 99% fine.
I don't know a thing about swords. Someone's gotta fill me in on the joke here.
Basically, in the Old Testament, God gave the world three gifts: light, Himself, and katanas. There's a lot of montage segments in the apocrypha about Noah training with his katana every day until the flood receded and becoming the first samurai, or David wielding his hundred-fold daishō against Goliath and rending him into thirty pieces, or King Arthur dual-wielding Masamune and Murasame to repel the Mongols. Thousands of years of church politics later, this stuff got scrubbed and replaced with dumb shit no one would ever want to use anyway, like slings (are you kidding me) and hammers (a peasant's weapon), or suppressed completely. There's lively debate in the theological community about it, but the general consensus involves Lollard sects of filthy gaijin (originally translated as sinner) infecting the Vatican conclave during the rise of Rome, while emperor Optimus Prime's attention was caught by the wildling invasion.
Interesting stuff, anyway.
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The great part about a war hammer is in essence, you're beating an armored person like they're a drum. Ignoring the armor piercing spike, the blunt impact goes through the armor and rattles the person inside directly. A hit to limb is going to be incapacitating since they're not as protected, a heavy blow to the chest is going to leave you anywhere between momentarily stunned, gasping for air or knocking you out.
This was good, because high quality plate was not only arrow proof, but bullet proof. Late period plate was tested to withstand bullets, and if it didn't, it was considered defective. You can still see the test bullet markings on many cuirass pieces in museums. At the battle of Lepanto, one high ranking guy's chest was hit by a Turkish culverin shot, essentially light artillery. The result? The armor held, but the compression shattered the guy's ribcage and he died of asphyxiation. The armor was 99% fine.
I don't know a thing about swords. Someone's gotta fill me in on the joke here.
Basically, in the Old Testament, God gave the world three gifts: light, Himself, and katanas. There's a lot of montage segments in the apocrypha about Noah training with his katana every day until the flood receded and becoming the first samurai, or David wielding his hundred-fold daishō against Goliath and rending him into thirty pieces, or King Arthur dual-wielding Masamune and Murasame to repel the Mongols. Thousands of years of church politics later, this stuff got scrubbed and replaced with dumb shit no one would ever want to use anyway, like slings (are you kidding me) and hammers (a peasant's weapon), or suppressed completely. There's lively debate in the theological community about it, but the general consensus involves Lollard sects of filthy gaijin (originally translated as sinner) infecting the Vatican conclave during the rise of Rome, while emperor Optimus Prime's attention was caught by the wildling invasion.
Talking about "Conquest" makes me realize how much I miss history on History Channel
hey, I liked Peter Woodward. He did go into the history of the weapon and such and seemed rather enthusiastic about it vs. just putting on a show (R Lee Emery)
Oh tons, the super blingy stuff wasn't terribly practical and was used for tournaments or showing off. But still, lords and nobles loved their armor, and custom war gear not only improved your odds of staying alive, it was a sign of how big a badass you were. Peasants were the ones who died in droves, nobles fought with the best weapons, armor and horses and it wasn't rare that they treated war like a super exciting football game. People did die, some times a lot of people, but upper class warriors had several levels of protection including the odds you would be ransomed by your enemies.
Ironically, tournaments which most people think of today as non lethal kind you see at Ye Old Medieval Restaurant, were sometimes as bloody as actual full scale battles complete with burning villages and screaming peasants.
Basically, war was pay to win on an individual level. :P And also kind of like G-Gundam.
screw katanas. bring back the good ol' killy weapons.
warhammers, knives, spears, maces. ded simple to make. Ded simple to use.
that and its funny watching modern weapons club videos on YouTube. Unless the katana user is a very experienced user, they were getting wiped by people with euro weapons. Of course, only point systems can be used in sparring since breaking bones and lacerations are frowned upon...
I don't know a thing about swords. Someone's gotta fill me in on the joke here.
Basically, in the Old Testament, God gave the world three gifts: light, Himself, and katanas. There's a lot of montage segments in the apocrypha about Noah training with his katana every day until the flood receded and becoming the first samurai, or David wielding his hundred-fold daishō against Goliath and rending him into thirty pieces, or King Arthur dual-wielding Masamune and Murasame to repel the Mongols. Thousands of years of church politics later, this stuff got scrubbed and replaced with dumb shit no one would ever want to use anyway, like slings (are you kidding me) and hammers (a peasant's weapon), or suppressed completely. There's lively debate in the theological community about it, but the general consensus involves Lollard sects of filthy gaijin (originally translated as sinner) infecting the Vatican conclave during the rise of Rome, while emperor Optimus Prime's attention was caught by the wildling invasion.
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Not, you know, the fact that it's thousands of miles away and hard to reach for questionable value. No no. Katanas!
I doubt maces and war hammers will ever catch on despite their effectiveness against armor. Kinda sad but the fact they aren't as cool and sleek looking as swords seems to make most averse to using them . That is to say if you have a choice in an rpg, odds are most will go for a bladed weapon.
Not that swords are useless or anything , just a tad sad such effective weapons get overlooked because IMO they aren't stylish enough.
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Admittedly I fall into this trap as well. Unless I'm like creating a giant bruiser type character and I go "big ass hammer works for the concept!"
I was mainly going with the "rule of cool" and what I suspect most people prefer.
No, I know. I personally don't get it because someone coming at me with, like, a machete or a small sword is way less scary than someone coming at me with a sledgehammer and that only becomes more true as the relative sizes increase.
This was good, because high quality plate was not only arrow proof, but bullet proof. Late period plate was tested to withstand bullets, and if it didn't, it was considered defective. You can still see the test bullet markings on many cuirass pieces in museums. At the battle of Lepanto, one high ranking guy's chest was hit by a Turkish culverin shot, essentially light artillery. The result? The armor held, but the compression shattered the guy's ribcage and he died of asphyxiation. The armor was 99% fine.
TL:DR, don't mess with plate armor. :P
Basically, in the Old Testament, God gave the world three gifts: light, Himself, and katanas. There's a lot of montage segments in the apocrypha about Noah training with his katana every day until the flood receded and becoming the first samurai, or David wielding his hundred-fold daishō against Goliath and rending him into thirty pieces, or King Arthur dual-wielding Masamune and Murasame to repel the Mongols. Thousands of years of church politics later, this stuff got scrubbed and replaced with dumb shit no one would ever want to use anyway, like slings (are you kidding me) and hammers (a peasant's weapon), or suppressed completely. There's lively debate in the theological community about it, but the general consensus involves Lollard sects of filthy gaijin (originally translated as sinner) infecting the Vatican conclave during the rise of Rome, while emperor Optimus Prime's attention was caught by the wildling invasion.
Interesting stuff, anyway.
Yup!
I'm not saying it was the blood mages...
Just wanted to highlight, and applaud.
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hey, I liked Peter Woodward. He did go into the history of the weapon and such and seemed rather enthusiastic about it vs. just putting on a show (R Lee Emery)
yeah but how much aggro does it generate
Ironically, tournaments which most people think of today as non lethal kind you see at Ye Old Medieval Restaurant, were sometimes as bloody as actual full scale battles complete with burning villages and screaming peasants.
Basically, war was pay to win on an individual level. :P And also kind of like G-Gundam.
warhammers, knives, spears, maces. ded simple to make. Ded simple to use.
that and its funny watching modern weapons club videos on YouTube. Unless the katana user is a very experienced user, they were getting wiped by people with euro weapons. Of course, only point systems can be used in sparring since breaking bones and lacerations are frowned upon...
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