YO! [MTG] WRAPS [Sealed League Week 2, last day to turn in results is SATURDAY]

Antimatter

http://susd.pretend-money.com/podcast/episode/the-fifth-podcast/
some netrunner talk in here
starts at 27:21

Sedraxis

Moriveth wrote: »

What

Why did I get notifications for this thread

We're still gathering.

STATE OF THE ART ROBOT

I just wanna say, as far as MTG goes, fuck limited releases.

Kelor

Sooooo, you guys remember that Sealed deck campaign that's going to be in Duels?

Turns out that you can't delete decks from it once you've started, regardless of how bad a pool you get. But hey, you've got like 20 slots for saved decks.

Which would be fine, except you only have two to begin with and have to drop $2 for the pleasure of unlocking each one after your initial two.

Wizards Rep wrote:

There have been a few questions about how the Sealed Deck slots will work in the game, so I wanted to provide some additional details. As explained in my original post, the game will come with two available slots for players to start Sealed Campaigns, with more slots available afterward for $1.99 each. These slots will store your progress in the Sealed Deck Campaign, the card pool you've accumulated from Booster Packs, and all the changes you make to your Sealed deck.

When starting a Sealed pool in a new slot, you'll start with 6 Booster Packs. As you play through the campaign you'll unlock 3 more Booster Packs that can be added to your deck. You can edit your Sealed deck as many times as you like, swapping cards to and from your card pool, adding or removing colors, adjusting your Land, etc.

Each slot will have its own unique pool assigned to it from opening Booster Packs, and the slots cannot be reset to generate a different/new card pool. This was designed to resemble Sealed Play in paper Magic as closely as possible, where a lot of the enjoyment comes from opening a 6-Booster card pool and figuring out how to make the best possible deck with the limited resources at your disposal. With that in mind, a single slot in Magic 2014 is like sitting down to a single Sealed game and starting a new experience. Each slot's Sealed deck and card pool will stay available after the Campaign is beaten so you can continue using it against the AI and other players, but the card pool itself won't change unless you switch to a different slot. If players were allowed to open pack after pack until they got to make the perfect deck, it wouldn't provide a true Sealed Play experience, and it’s something the design team wanted to avoid for the sake of balance.

As far as the number of Sealed slots go, R&D knew when designing the Sealed portion of the game that there was a limit to the card diversity players would experience from any particular set. In Magic 2014, that set size is 151 cards, which allows for a huge number of variations when you consider that a Sealed Deck equates to a 40 card minimum, and about 17 of those are Basic Lands. Still, there will inevitably be some repetition. Players will be allowed to purchase up to 18 additional slots per platform, giving a total of 20 sealed play slots. That should be more than enough room to make a wide variety of Sealed decks and enjoy the new aspect of the game.

The Betgirl

EH

I'm not too worried about that

but $2 is kinda meh + fart

KalTorak

well that pretty much killed my plan to buy it

Deleting the sealed pool isn't "opening pack after pack until you get the perfect deck;" it's me getting bored with a sealed deck and wanting to start over from scratch. I really don't see why that should cost money. What if I delete all my saved game data, would that reset the slots?

Kelor

KalTorak wrote: »

well that pretty much killed my plan to buy it

Deleting the sealed pool isn't "opening pack after pack until you get the perfect deck;" it's me getting bored with a sealed deck and wanting to start over from scratch. I really don't see why that should cost money. What if I delete all my saved game data, would that reset the slots?

Depends if it stores the saved decks on your hard drive or the cloud. If it's the former your odds are pretty good. I love the idea of a sealed deck campaign, but if you only get to do it twice without pulling out your wallet that is super disappointing.

I'm An Elk; Shoot Me

I guess I would be more upset about that if I wasn't getting a free $15 card with my $10 game purchase.

I dunno, it's bullshit, but maybe I'm almost used to DOTP being bullshit. You can pay them extra money to open the decks too, which is basically paying them to... not play the game. It's weird.

KalTorak

Kelor wrote: »

KalTorak wrote: »

well that pretty much killed my plan to buy it

Deleting the sealed pool isn't "opening pack after pack until you get the perfect deck;" it's me getting bored with a sealed deck and wanting to start over from scratch. I really don't see why that should cost money. What if I delete all my saved game data, would that reset the slots?

Depends if it stores the saved decks on your hard drive or the cloud. If it's the former your odds are pretty good. I love the idea of a sealed deck campaign, but if you only get to do it twice without pulling out your wallet that is super disappointing.

well, I rarely connect to Live, so maybe that's something. But still, the reasons they give for it are nonsensical. If the game is generating random packs for each pool, there's no reason to limit the number of times you can do it. Oh except for "pay us $ to do what you just did again," that's a real good reason.

PiptheFair

I'm An Elk, Shoot Me wrote: »

I guess I would be more upset about that if I wasn't getting a free $15 card with my $10 game purchase.

I dunno, it's bullshit, but maybe I'm almost used to DOTP being bullshit. You can pay them extra money to open the decks too, which is basically paying them to... not play the game. It's weird.

how do you even get the bonus card

do they send it to you or is it for modo?

Scis

PiptheFair wrote: »

I'm An Elk, Shoot Me wrote: »

I guess I would be more upset about that if I wasn't getting a free $15 card with my $10 game purchase.

I dunno, it's bullshit, but maybe I'm almost used to DOTP being bullshit. You can pay them extra money to open the decks too, which is basically paying them to... not play the game. It's weird.

how do you even get the bonus card

do they send it to you or is it for modo?

You get a code that you have to bring in to a participating store.

KalTorak

Are those cards still even going to be worth $15 if everyone's getting a free one with DotP?

Daebunz

its scavenging ooze so yes probably

I'm An Elk; Shoot Me

God I hope not. I need 4.

Pinfeldorf

So, what percentage of Modern Masters is going to be opened in Las Vegas at the Grand Prix this weekend, just counting for main event, mini master Friday and side events. 10%? 15%? If 4,000 sign up for the main event, that's 24,000 boosters. That's 1000 boxes. That's about 4-5 states worth of allocation.

jgeis

Pinfeldorf wrote: »

So, what percentage of Modern Masters is going to be opened in Las Vegas at the Grand Prix this weekend, just counting for main event, mini master Friday and side events. 10%? 15%? If 4,000 sign up for the main event, that's 24,000 boosters. That's 1000 boxes. That's about 4-5 states worth of allocation.

Where are we getting these allotment numbers? If each State only got 200-250 boxes of MM, then my FLGS got nearly all of the allotment for Indiana. They sold approx. 50 on their website and probably 100 or so in their store.

Pinfeldorf

Mind you some states probably got less than 10 boxes (Alaska) and others probably got a few thousand (California) and come to a reasonable average. Pretty sure Arizona got about 400, probably less.

Edit: As to where I get this info, I know the guy who is the 'head judge' of Arizona and he has a pretty reasonable idea of where the playerbase density is, per store, and about how many boxes each store got. Also keep in mind the amount of boxes a store gets is in direct relation to the amount of competing stores in the general area. So in a town with 3 - 4 stores that frequently put up FNM numbers of 30+, they'd have gotten about 30~ boxes each. In a town with one store that frequently gets 16 for FNM they'd get closer to 10. That number wouldn't even theoretically go up if they frequented 40 people for FNM. So looking at store and player density based on state and area, you can come to pretty rational conclusions about distribution. Like how many boxes of MM went to Kentucky? Alabama? Washington? North Dakota? New York? There's going to be huge numbers differences between some of these states, and the average is going to be much lower than what your California, Florida or Illinois shop got.

jgeis

Ah, that makes sense. Do we know the total number of boxes distributed?

Pinfeldorf

No, and we probably never really will. We can get a general idea, but we'll never know exact numbers because Hasbro doesn't want that information 'getting out' like what used to happen in Ye Olden Days. I've heard that the Japanese print run was extraordinarily small for basically no reason. Small like, on par with Chinese, Italian, French, etc. instead of an order or two of magnitude higher.

Also keep in mind there probably will be a second print run of Modern Masters! I can't recall if it's been officially announced (I think it was) or if it's just wishful thinking.

Diorinix

Pinfeldorf wrote: »

No, and we probably never really will. We can get a general idea, but we'll never know exact numbers because Hasbro doesn't want that information 'getting out' like what used to happen in Ye Olden Days. I've heard that the Japanese print run was extraordinarily small for basically no reason. Small like, on par with Chinese, Italian, French, etc. instead of an order or two of magnitude higher.

Also keep in mind there probably will be a second print run of Modern Masters! I can't recall if it's been officially announced (I think it was) or if it's just wishful thinking.

I don't think it was a second print run, per se, but a second wave of shipments.

One of my FLGS's announced they were getting a second shipment of 1 case (6 boxes), after their first shipment of 5 cases (30 boxes).

Which should last approximately one nanosecond after it goes on sale.

WiseManTobes

Dang, I was really looking forward to the new Dotp too, but not like that. I hope someday games can come back around to , I dunno, Games that are full games when bought, and you can beat them by actually playing instead of paying.

Oh well, at least there's the Octgn sealed generator, that's got no limits( yet, even octgn dipping it's toe into the pay us for this , which seems dumb and will just get them shut down by Hasbro)

Cause if I only get 2 sealed packs, I wouldn't be resetting to get the "omg perfect deck", I'd be resetting cause usually 95% of my rares are Battle of Wits

Kwoaru

oh you can't reset even the single save file? fuuuuuck that

Buttlord

Blackbeard7 wrote: »

its scavenging ooze so yes probably

probably not once it gets reprinted in m14

which one has scavenging ooze in it though

Buttlord

Pinfeldorf wrote: »

Also keep in mind there probably will be a second print run of Modern Masters! I can't recall if it's been officially announced (I think it was) or if it's just wishful thinking.

there's been some comments about a second wave going out but not a second full printing afaik

i'd be surprised if there was a full second print run

especially after the "we're not doing a second print run, seriously, one time only short supply" that they were emphasizing

Kwoaru

though if the deck building/editing tools in DotP 2014 aren't complete shit it might still be worth getting

KalTorak

I don't really care about the option to unlock decks by paying (stupid as it is); it's an option, so even if I'm never going to use it, it's potentially added value for someone who does want to. Locking in the sealed pools is just hamstringing functionality to squeeze out an extra buck though. Even their stated solution is stupid - ooh, you can buy up to 18 more slots? So your plan is to sell a game I can play a maximum of 20 times?

The Betgirl

WiseManTobes wrote: »

Dang, I was really looking forward to the new Dotp too, but not like that. I hope someday games can come back around to , I dunno, Games that are full games when bought, and you can beat them by actually playing instead of paying.

Oh well, at least there's the Octgn sealed generator, that's got no limits( yet, even octgn dipping it's toe into the pay us for this , which seems dumb and will just get them shut down by Hasbro)

Cause if I only get 2 sealed packs, I wouldn't be resetting to get the "omg perfect deck", I'd be resetting cause usually 95% of my rares are Battle of Wits

We still have lackey 8->

The Betgirl

Also I'll probably take the next thread so I can keep updating people on the sealed league if that's okay with everyone

Buttlord

Kwoaru wrote: »

though if the deck building/editing tools in DotP 2014 aren't complete shit it might still be worth getting

the nonsealed ones will be the same as always

guaranteed

KalTorak

I think they said you'll be able to adjust the land in the nonsealed decks, but I haven't heard of any other changes.

nightmarenny

KalTorak wrote: »

Are those cards still even going to be worth $15 if everyone's getting a free one with DotP?

Well it was at 30 a few weeks ago so

The Betgirl

Anyone down2draft on lackey? BRT and I are lookin for more dudes

right now

Daebunz

Buttlord wrote: »

Blackbeard7 wrote: »

its scavenging ooze so yes probably

probably not once it gets reprinted in m14

which one has scavenging ooze in it though

I think the fact that it will now be modern legal as well will maintain the price, but I could be wrong

WiseManTobes

The Betman wrote: »

Anyone down2draft on lackey? BRT and I are lookin for more dudes

right now

I just got home I will join if I didn't miss it!

SLyM

I believe I need to do battle with sars boy?

silence1186

The Betman wrote: »

Also I'll probably take the next thread so I can keep updating people on the sealed league if that's okay with everyone

Go for it! Can you include links in the OP for getting set up?

The Betgirl

@Wisemantobes Do I have you on skype already? Hit me with ur deets

@Silence1186 Will do!

Kwoaru

Buttlord wrote: »

Kwoaru wrote: »

though if the deck building/editing tools in DotP 2014 aren't complete shit it might still be worth getting

the nonsealed ones will be the same as always

guaranteed

augh

its just so bad

maybe the person in charge of that has a really fucked up way of laying out cards to put a deck together and the current system perfectly reflects his grim reality

Taramoor

So is next year Magic's 20th anniversary or something?

KalTorak

Wiki says MtG was introduced in '93, so I guess this year is its 20th birthday.