The problem is that the Apocalypse volver wedge names are
a) are not unique enough sounding (contrast the Alara shards, where each name starts and ends with a unique phoneme; Bah-ant Nay-a, S-per, Grix-iss, Juh-und)
b) really dumb and unevocative (except for Necra and black, how do any of the words tie or sound like their wedge?). Necra has the problem of being too generic, and could mean a lot of different things.
Which is why people don't use them.
America colours, Rug, and Bug are all much more phonetically and conceptually sound and people will get easily. Junk is harder but its a simple word that people will pick up and has a weight of common usage Necra lacks. I'm not aware of any good name for WBR though?
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
Its a reference to the color wedge - Junk typically refers to green-white-black decks.
MtG History time!
Once upon a time there was this deck called "The Rock". It was a green-black deck featuring phyrexian plaguelord (check the art for how the deck got its name), and the game plan for this deck was to Kill All the Things, then mop up with value dudes. Later on it was ressurrected with Spiritmonger as the central card (again, check the art and think of the wrestler). Throughout this time people were trying to fit in other value cards, and one of the more popular colors was white. At some point a commentator or an article writer described a winning deck as "a bunch of junky cards jammed together", and Junk stuck as a description of the green-white-black wedge.
There are actually names for each wedge, just like the alara shards. Here they are:
Bant - white-blue-gree
Naya - green-white-red
Esper - blue-white-black
Grixis - black-red-blue
Jund - red-green-black
gonna bookmark this post because i can't remember the names of wedges for the life of me
Seriously; people at the LGS I was at last week kept tossing off the shard names to describe decks and I was just nodding and thinking "i know some of these words."
The shards are really easy to remember if you know to associate a central color to a name, then the allies of that color are the outside.
Bant = white (order, kights, lifegain) + allies blue and green
Naya = green (Big Fatties! Big mana!) + allies red and white
Esper = blue (artifacts, drawing cards, good spells) + allies black and white
Grixis = black (zombies, death, Nicol Bolas) + allies red and blue
Jund = red (Dragons! Fire! Haste!) + allies green and black
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Haha, did not know that existed.
I had just wanted to make a Duskmantle Seer deck around GTC release called Dubstep Spirits (Lingering Souls, etc, etc).
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
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I prefer to use junk to refer to green-white-black, bug for...well black-blue-green. Rug for red-blue-green, american/russian/french for blue-white-red and have started referring to red-white-black has borzhov (boros-orzhov). Whatever suits yer fancy.
I was gonna say, I don't know anyone who refers to enemy color wedges by the Apocalypse volvers. What you have listed here is what I see everywhere.
Why call it America when you can call it Raka? I mean, seriously, you're gonna make the guy in the $6,000 suit use a 4 syllable word when he can use a 2 syllable word? C'mon!
Why call it America when you can call it Raka? I mean, seriously, you're gonna make the guy in the $6,000 suit use a 4 syllable word when he can use a 2 syllable word? C'mon!
because everyone knows america means red white n' blue and very few people who play magic today played when apocalypse was around
Man I can't wait to build a deck around Archangel of Thune. They should put soul sisters in M14 so I can make the best B/W life gaining deck ever. soul sisters/obzedat/archangel plus something that removes counters to do things, anything, o god....
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I'm dead serious."
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
One of the reasons I enjoyed Modern Masters limited so much was that green was actually a color with a good amount of card advantage for once. Both the decks I made (started with sealed out of 50ish people, and top 8 drafted) were heavy green.
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Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
One of the reasons I enjoyed Modern Masters limited so much was that green was actually a color with a good amount of card advantage for once. Both the decks I made (started with sealed out of 50ish people, and top 8 drafted) were heavy green.
I love Masked Admirers. Also that dude with Kicker who's a good early blocker or a late game draw 2. And Imperiosaur is just unfair. 5/5 for 4 mana? Don't mind if I do!
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Why call it America when you can call it Raka? I mean, seriously, you're gonna make the guy in the $6,000 suit use a 4 syllable word when he can use a 2 syllable word? C'mon!
wanna build a WUR deck using burn spells and fliers and call it raka flocka flame
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
Literally one guy was bagging on thragtusk. Everybody else was talking about how important for the diverse standard we currently enjoy.
I just hope that, if Thragtusk does rotate out, the replacement Thragtusk is
a) in Theros rather than M14, because more of that will be opened
b) Wizards finds a way to make it bad enough in Limited that it can be an uncommon rather than a rare
Because as much as I enjoy the diversity of Standard, it's annoying to have so many decks where the best way to improve them is: "splash this extra color and spend a hundred bucks on a playset of this card."
Keeping Tusk in M14 would be a-okay in my book, since the prices for him have already gone down a bunch and reprints would drop it even more. It also means the RUG brew I'm working on for post-Innistrad standard can keep its teeth.
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
One of the reasons I enjoyed Modern Masters limited so much was that green was actually a color with a good amount of card advantage for once. Both the decks I made (started with sealed out of 50ish people, and top 8 drafted) were heavy green.
I love Masked Admirers. Also that dude with Kicker who's a good early blocker or a late game draw 2. And Imperiosaur is just unfair. 5/5 for 4 mana? Don't mind if I do!
Yup. Between Kodama's Reach, Citanul Woodreaders, Masked Admirers, and Reach of Branches there were several times my opponent would ask about my cards in hand late game and I'd have to answer "Uh...five?" And I didn't even get any Eternal Witness to make things extra stupid. Though I did have Penumbra Spider, Walker of the Grove, and Moldervine Cloak to stretch the advantage even further.
Now if only green could get that kind of card quality on a consistent basis...
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
Literally one guy was bagging on thragtusk. Everybody else was talking about how important for the diverse standard we currently enjoy.
It was me, I was the guy, and my Thragtusk ragging isn't even 100% serious!, he's just an easy target ( If anything, I hate humans WAY more than Thrag)
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
One of the reasons I enjoyed Modern Masters limited so much was that green was actually a color with a good amount of card advantage for once. Both the decks I made (started with sealed out of 50ish people, and top 8 drafted) were heavy green.
I love Masked Admirers. Also that dude with Kicker who's a good early blocker or a late game draw 2. And Imperiosaur is just unfair. 5/5 for 4 mana? Don't mind if I do!
Yup. Between Kodama's Reach, Citanul Woodreaders, Masked Admirers, and Reach of Branches there were several times my opponent would ask about my cards in hand late game and I'd have to answer "Uh...five?" And I didn't even get any Eternal Witness to make things extra stupid. Though I did have Penumbra Spider, Walker of the Grove, and Moldervine Cloak to stretch the advantage even further.
Now if only green could get that kind of card quality on a consistent basis...
The one thing I've found (granted I've only done 3 drafts) Kodama's reach goes INSANELY high.
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
Literally one guy was bagging on thragtusk. Everybody else was talking about how important for the diverse standard we currently enjoy.
It was me, I was the guy, and my Thragtusk ragging isn't even 100% serious!, he's just an easy target ( If anything, I hate humans WAY more than Thrag)
Ok two. Pip also rages.
I get that some people don't like playing against tusk but he diversified the format and now a pretty reasonable amount of decks are playing them.
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nobody likes playing against thragtusk
if you don't hate thragtusk it is because you play thragtusk and you are basically hitler
If you hate playing against thragtusk, you aren't playing cards that negate his usefulness - mark of mutiny, zealous conscripts, nephalia drownyard, boros reckoner, turn // burn, rakdos keyrune, naya blitz...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Mmmmm....toasty.
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So would Juzam Djinn be laughed out of common nowadays? I remember being so proud when I completed my playset of him back in the day. Poor Juzam, you were so cool once
I'm not gonna lie, thragtusk made standard miserable and I still can't wait for him to rotate. Probably biased since I find midrange matchups to be the dumbest.
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KalTorakOne way or another, they all end up inthe Undercity.Registered Userregular
So would Juzam Djinn be laughed out of common nowadays? I remember being so proud when I completed my playset of him back in the day. Poor Juzam, you were so cool once
A lot of his charm came from the environment he was in, i.e. one with Dark Ritual. Same with Hypnotic Specter (which they did end up reprinting IIRC).
So would Juzam Djinn be laughed out of common nowadays? I remember being so proud when I completed my playset of him back in the day. Poor Juzam, you were so cool once
The card and it's art are still Badass, it's just he's kinda been surpassed in terms of power/cost efficiency. Kinda like Morphling.
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
Literally one guy was bagging on thragtusk. Everybody else was talking about how important for the diverse standard we currently enjoy.
It was me, I was the guy, and my Thragtusk ragging isn't even 100% serious!, he's just an easy target ( If anything, I hate humans WAY more than Thrag)
Ok two. Pip also rages.
I get that some people don't like playing against tusk but he diversified the format and now a pretty reasonable amount of decks are playing them.
delver being neutered is what diversified the format
thrag being in like 50% of placing decks is not what I call diversity
it's a stupid swingy card that is at least 1 cmc undercosted and is a piece of shit for literally any deck to deal with
also even when delver was still "A THING" it only dominated for about 3 months until people adapted to it
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So would Juzam Djinn be laughed out of common nowadays? I remember being so proud when I completed my playset of him back in the day. Poor Juzam, you were so cool once
yes he would, even though he is still a fan favorite
Ya, it's fun/disheartening going through my old box of cards , seeing the old bombs and realizing most wouldn't even be a common nowadays. Not that I want it to go back tho, I prefer the power curve where it is now and was glad to see it returned. When I retired the first time around, they were power curving in the other direction and it was awful! (I'm looking directly at you Mirage block)
I like how some cards have managed to somewhat stand the test of time tho, Serra Angel might not be the end all drop she once was, but she's still not fun to see come out on the other side of the table. And Shivan is returning too!
Coming across Millstone is another good chuckle too, Can you believe we used to Mill 2 -4ish cards at a time max? and that took almost an entire stasis deck to fully mill!
Now you can deck out someone with mill on turn 4-5 rofl
Yo, you guys, stop arguing about Thragtusk please. Green finally has the best card in Standard. Let it have a moment, as a color, to bask in the sunlight that has almost always been dominated by blue and white.
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
Literally one guy was bagging on thragtusk. Everybody else was talking about how important for the diverse standard we currently enjoy.
It was me, I was the guy, and my Thragtusk ragging isn't even 100% serious!, he's just an easy target ( If anything, I hate humans WAY more than Thrag)
Ok two. Pip also rages.
I get that some people don't like playing against tusk but he diversified the format and now a pretty reasonable amount of decks are playing them.
delver being neutered is what diversified the format
thrag being in like 50% of placing decks is not what I call diversity
it's a stupid swingy card that is at least 1 cmc undercosted and is a piece of shit for literally any deck to deal with
also even when delver was still "A THING" it only dominated for about 3 months until people adapted to it
That often isn't true now but even when it was one card being in several decks that shared no other cards with each other aint much of a problem.
And considering how often standard has had a "Best Deck" problem I don't think you can discount Thragtusks part in making blue disructive aggro deck play fair.
Ya, it's fun/disheartening going through my old box of cards , seeing the old bombs and realizing most wouldn't even be a common nowadays. Not that I want it to go back tho, I prefer the power curve where it is now and was glad to see it returned. When I retired the first time around, they were power curving in the other direction and it was awful! (I'm looking directly at you Mirage block)
I like how some cards have managed to somewhat stand the test of time tho, Serra Angel might not be the end all drop she once was, but she's still not fun to see come out on the other side of the table. And Shivan is returning too!
Coming across Millstone is another good chuckle too, Can you believe we used to Mill 2 -4ish cards at a time max? and that took almost an entire stasis deck to fully mill!
Now you can deck out someone with mill on turn 4-5 rofl
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a) are not unique enough sounding (contrast the Alara shards, where each name starts and ends with a unique phoneme; Bah-ant Nay-a, S-per, Grix-iss, Juh-und)
b) really dumb and unevocative (except for Necra and black, how do any of the words tie or sound like their wedge?). Necra has the problem of being too generic, and could mean a lot of different things.
Which is why people don't use them.
America colours, Rug, and Bug are all much more phonetically and conceptually sound and people will get easily. Junk is harder but its a simple word that people will pick up and has a weight of common usage Necra lacks. I'm not aware of any good name for WBR though?
Seriously; people at the LGS I was at last week kept tossing off the shard names to describe decks and I was just nodding and thinking "i know some of these words."
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Bant = white (order, kights, lifegain) + allies blue and green
Naya = green (Big Fatties! Big mana!) + allies red and white
Esper = blue (artifacts, drawing cards, good spells) + allies black and white
Grixis = black (zombies, death, Nicol Bolas) + allies red and blue
Jund = red (Dragons! Fire! Haste!) + allies green and black
Mmmmm....toasty.
I've heard "Oros" as in Oros, the Avenger, but that's about it.
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speak for yourself
i spend way too much time reading about/thinking about edh
learning the wedge names is easier than saying the colors all the dang time
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I had just wanted to make a Duskmantle Seer deck around GTC release called Dubstep Spirits (Lingering Souls, etc, etc).
Also, fuck red. Bye bye.
I was gonna say, I don't know anyone who refers to enemy color wedges by the Apocalypse volvers. What you have listed here is what I see everywhere.
Boroshov! Gruulgari! Dimic!
because everyone knows america means red white n' blue and very few people who play magic today played when apocalypse was around
Steam
I'm dead serious."
One of the reasons I enjoyed Modern Masters limited so much was that green was actually a color with a good amount of card advantage for once. Both the decks I made (started with sealed out of 50ish people, and top 8 drafted) were heavy green.
I love Masked Admirers. Also that dude with Kicker who's a good early blocker or a late game draw 2. And Imperiosaur is just unfair. 5/5 for 4 mana? Don't mind if I do!
wanna build a WUR deck using burn spells and fliers and call it raka flocka flame
Literally one guy was bagging on thragtusk. Everybody else was talking about how important for the diverse standard we currently enjoy.
a) in Theros rather than M14, because more of that will be opened
b) Wizards finds a way to make it bad enough in Limited that it can be an uncommon rather than a rare
Because as much as I enjoy the diversity of Standard, it's annoying to have so many decks where the best way to improve them is: "splash this extra color and spend a hundred bucks on a playset of this card."
Keeping Tusk in M14 would be a-okay in my book, since the prices for him have already gone down a bunch and reprints would drop it even more. It also means the RUG brew I'm working on for post-Innistrad standard can keep its teeth.
Yup. Between Kodama's Reach, Citanul Woodreaders, Masked Admirers, and Reach of Branches there were several times my opponent would ask about my cards in hand late game and I'd have to answer "Uh...five?" And I didn't even get any Eternal Witness to make things extra stupid. Though I did have Penumbra Spider, Walker of the Grove, and Moldervine Cloak to stretch the advantage even further.
Now if only green could get that kind of card quality on a consistent basis...
It was me, I was the guy, and my Thragtusk ragging isn't even 100% serious!, he's just an easy target ( If anything, I hate humans WAY more than Thrag)
The one thing I've found (granted I've only done 3 drafts) Kodama's reach goes INSANELY high.
Ok two. Pip also rages.
I get that some people don't like playing against tusk but he diversified the format and now a pretty reasonable amount of decks are playing them.
if you don't hate thragtusk it is because you play thragtusk and you are basically hitler
Nah.
Mmmmm....toasty.
But I'm actually playing RG aggro as of now and looking to get in BWR Aristocrats.
No Thragtusks for months.
A lot of his charm came from the environment he was in, i.e. one with Dark Ritual. Same with Hypnotic Specter (which they did end up reprinting IIRC).
This guy?
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The card and it's art are still Badass, it's just he's kinda been surpassed in terms of power/cost efficiency. Kinda like Morphling.
On the upside, he's worth like a stack of money.
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delver being neutered is what diversified the format
thrag being in like 50% of placing decks is not what I call diversity
it's a stupid swingy card that is at least 1 cmc undercosted and is a piece of shit for literally any deck to deal with
also even when delver was still "A THING" it only dominated for about 3 months until people adapted to it
yes he would, even though he is still a fan favorite
the power level is so much different nowadays
I like how some cards have managed to somewhat stand the test of time tho, Serra Angel might not be the end all drop she once was, but she's still not fun to see come out on the other side of the table. And Shivan is returning too!
Coming across Millstone is another good chuckle too, Can you believe we used to Mill 2 -4ish cards at a time max? and that took almost an entire stasis deck to fully mill!
Now you can deck out someone with mill on turn 4-5 rofl
Ya that guy!
That often isn't true now but even when it was one card being in several decks that shared no other cards with each other aint much of a problem.
And considering how often standard has had a "Best Deck" problem I don't think you can discount Thragtusks part in making blue disructive aggro deck play fair.
What do you think the odds are that they'll reprint Millstone in the near future?
I always loved Millstone, but Drownyard... yeesh.
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