TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
Larocca had so many years of being a good artist before photo referencing everything from Milligan's X-Men forward.
It's weird how he went from Wieringo on his Flash stuff to Pacheco in his Fantastic Four and Uncanny stuff, then he had his own style on X-Treme X-Men and Namor, and finally referencing reared it's ugly head.
Mighty Avengers started out pretty strong. Fun, quippy dialogue and really strong characters. Land's art blows butthe writing is aces.
My strongest reaction to Land's art in the first issue of Mighty Avengers is that he apparently lacks any images of African-American women to trace so just gave up when it came time to draw Monica Rambeau.
Hell, there were a couple of Luke Cage shots that I swear he used for Tony Stark in Iron Man.
He also clearly traced a picture of Gollum for Spider-Man in the splash page at the end.
Mighty Avengers started out pretty strong. Fun, quippy dialogue and really strong characters. Land's art blows butthe writing is aces.
My strongest reaction to Land's art in the first issue of Mighty Avengers is that he apparently lacks any images of African-American women to trace so just gave up when it came time to draw Monica Rambeau.
Motherfucking Greg Land.
And it's not like they don't make porn that features African-American performers, so Land really has no excuse.
I'm kinda torn on Secret Avengers. I feel they they got the tone of some characters completely wrong, the whole mindwipe macguffin is used pretty hapahazardly, and it's just been dragging on for way too long.
On the other hand, it's kinda starting to get to a Secret Warriors: the sequel feel, particularly now with Daisy. So I want to see if it goes where I want it to but it's going to be pretty disappointing if it doesn't, or takes it sweet merry old time getting there.
Billy is still the main subject though and Jesus Christ just fuck off forever
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TexiKenDammit!That fish really got me!Registered Userregular
I feel like Gillen is focusing too much on the book being tumblr bait as opposed to telling a better story. The past arc basically ended back at square one.
I have been pleased with every single issue thus far. It's interesting that so many people see it as The Billy Show, because I haven't seen it as anything other than The Kid Loki Show since issue one.
Which is okay by me, because I like Kid Loki - even this non-JIM version.
Basically I feel like Billy is a prop. He's kind of in the spotlight because different characters also in the spotlight take turns holding him and emoting with him, but he ain't the star player (in my eyes).
Mind you, it's not good that he's a prop. I wish he were a more interesting/fun character. I just also don't mind him being in the spotlight a lot.
honestly I am disappointed with the series. Gillen said he would be bringing back the original Marvel Boy and moving Billy out of the constant limelight, but he turned Marvel Boy into a hip music lover and Billy is still all over the place. The trouble with that book is that it lacks edge, it's very self-indulgent. Marvel Boy needs to get his arrogant "Zen Fascism" back, Billy needs to toughen up, Hulkling needs to dump that loser, Kate needs to get more time. The only part of the team who has any kind of edge to them is Miss America, and she feels a bit like a generic tough girl, with not much more to her than a scowl and blanked out swear words.
It's not a bad book, but Gillen can do better, I know he can, and until he does, I'll be disappointed. This could have been cool, edgy, aggressive, but it ended up being soft.
Like, Noh Var is into country and western, he likes sixties pop music, he likes soul. These choices are all so incredibly safe, they are niche but of recognised qualities, your parents love those genres, nobody says the Beatles or Johnny Cash sucks. He should be a fan of dubstep and hard modern electronic music, glitch hop, all that stuff, music that adults call just noise. He should be aggressive and cool and hopped up on the sensory overload that is his life. As it is, he's just kind of nice nice and enthusiastic, with a little hint of mystery.
Brian Michael Bendis wrote a more interesting Marvel Boy than Gillen. There, I said it.
I mean I love both of those Noh-Varrs, but Noh-Varr being fascinated with classic Earth culture is not only a pretty endearing trait, it makes him stand out amongst the rest of the YA cast who are all very much modern teenagers who probably do love dubstep, glitch hop, etc.
He's a space hipster.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
Aside from your personal bias being for modern music, why should Noh Varr's be? The entire history of human music is new to him, dubstep and soul are equally fresh and exciting.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
The reason why I personally think it doesn't work is because Noh Varr was always cool because he was rebellious, he was aggressive, he liked things that other people don't, and he gave zero fucks about what anyone else thought. "Our way is better. Show them that. beat it into their faces." Noh Varr shouldn't just like modern music, he should like modern music which is unpopular, even amongst modern teenagers. He should like stuff that people call noise and not even worth being music. Edgy shit.
Regardless of whether I like that stuff or not, it fits Noh Varr's character more than him liking the same stuff that everyone else always has. It gives him that edge, he's in your face, he enjoys things you don't almost because you don't. He's the guy who wrote "fuck you" in burning city blocks, he's become far too laid back for my liking. That character is barely even there any more.
Like, Noh Var is into country and western, he likes sixties pop music, he likes soul. These choices are all so incredibly safe, they are niche but of recognised qualities, your parents love those genres, nobody says the Beatles or Johnny Cash sucks. He should be a fan of dubstep and hard modern electronic music, glitch hop, all that stuff, music that adults call just noise. He should be aggressive and cool and hopped up on the sensory overload that is his life. As it is, he's just kind of nice nice and enthusiastic, with a little hint of mystery.
Brian Michael Bendis wrote a more interesting Marvel Boy than Gillen. There, I said it.
Has Noh-Varr actually mentioned the Beatles or Johnny Cash? Because I'm pretty sure he hasn't.
In issue #1, he listens to the Ronettes. In #4 he puts on a Candi Staton song. In #8 he says he's been listening to Gram Parsons. I think that's all the music references he's made so far.
It's been a few years, MU time, since he showed up on Earth and it is clear he has matured and found himself a little bit more. He's still cocky and arrogant, but he is no longer the punk anarchist that will kill thousands simply to write FUCK YOU in the ground.
If you don't like that he has changed, that's cool, but I think it is a perfectly valid direction for the character.
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UnbrokenEvaHIGH ON THE WIREBUT I WON'T TRIP ITRegistered Userregular
Point is, he was an arrogant kid with an ideology and he went out of his way to make sure other people knew that. He didn't give a fuck about authority or government, he didn't see any distinction between the president and a beggar on the street, both of them and everyone between the product of a failing system that they clearly needed to be saved from at the barrel of a plasma cannon. He was cool and sexy because he was angry and had a good reasons why, an outsider looking in and sneering at what they see.
And that was cool. He was the kind of guy who couldn't meet someone without judging them, a teenage cross between Magneto, Namor and Spider-Man, arrogant but still likeable because you could tell that sometimes he had a point. He had suffered as a result of entirely plausible failings in human ethics and society, his ruthless uncoverings of our own failures were often legitimate, his bewilderment at our self-destruction was so heartfelt as to be embarrassing, but he also recognised genuine compassion and decency when he came across it as well. He wasn't cruel or heartless, his anger and frustration was born out of precisely the opposite of that, he cared about humans too much to let them fuck up so much.
There aren't many superheroes like that. Anarchist, punk types with a grudge against the world, but clearly heroes fighting villains. In fact, there was Noh Varr, and that's about it. And sadly, now he's not that any more, and I'm not sure what he is, but it doesn't seem worth the change.
Not gonna lie...I kinda miss the days when there were different Avenger teams and X-(Insert ending here) teams that were off and had their own teams and own adventures. I get the need/want to sell more comic books, but sometimes less is more.
I mean Avengers has Cannonball, Sunspot and Wolverine and there is Uncanny Avengers and Beast is on the Illuminati.
But then there is Avengers Assemble, Secret Avengers, Avengers Arena, Avengers AI, Uncanny X-Men, All-New X-Men, Uncanny X-Force, Cable and X-Force, Wolverine and the X-Men, X-Men and the various solo books.
Ya I know there still are, but the overlapping stories kinda bug me. Is Captain America battling the Apocalypse Twins or in space stopping the builders? Not to mention Wolverine. Think i"m gonna need to go back to trades, because the week to week overlapping of a lot of the characters and stories I'm reading bug me.
It's not an infographic, but I found a website a while ago where some guys are arranging every Marvel comic in chronological order. So far they've made it up to comics published in 1985.
Ya I know there still are, but the overlapping stories kinda bug me. Is Captain America battling the Apocalypse Twins or in space stopping the builders? Not to mention Wolverine. Think i"m gonna need to go back to trades, because the week to week overlapping of a lot of the characters and stories I'm reading bug me.
Just say "Franklin Richards did it" and keep reading. Asides from the crossovers and a few shoutouts here and there, there really is no reason not to just enjoy the stories.
Unless you are reading the X-books. Those are a whole different story.
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It's weird how he went from Wieringo on his Flash stuff to Pacheco in his Fantastic Four and Uncanny stuff, then he had his own style on X-Treme X-Men and Namor, and finally referencing reared it's ugly head.
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He also clearly traced a picture of Gollum for Spider-Man in the splash page at the end.
And it's not like they don't make porn that features African-American performers, so Land really has no excuse.
On the other hand, it's kinda starting to get to a Secret Warriors: the sequel feel, particularly now with Daisy. So I want to see if it goes where I want it to but it's going to be pretty disappointing if it doesn't, or takes it sweet merry old time getting there.
I was worried at about issue 3 but this comic has really grown into something awesome.
I expected more, but it's by no means bad
Billy is still the main subject though and Jesus Christ just fuck off forever
Which is okay by me, because I like Kid Loki - even this non-JIM version.
Mind you, it's not good that he's a prop. I wish he were a more interesting/fun character. I just also don't mind him being in the spotlight a lot.
the stories revolve around him and his bullshit
everyone is always talking about him
honestly I am disappointed with the series. Gillen said he would be bringing back the original Marvel Boy and moving Billy out of the constant limelight, but he turned Marvel Boy into a hip music lover and Billy is still all over the place. The trouble with that book is that it lacks edge, it's very self-indulgent. Marvel Boy needs to get his arrogant "Zen Fascism" back, Billy needs to toughen up, Hulkling needs to dump that loser, Kate needs to get more time. The only part of the team who has any kind of edge to them is Miss America, and she feels a bit like a generic tough girl, with not much more to her than a scowl and blanked out swear words.
It's not a bad book, but Gillen can do better, I know he can, and until he does, I'll be disappointed. This could have been cool, edgy, aggressive, but it ended up being soft.
Brian Michael Bendis wrote a more interesting Marvel Boy than Gillen. There, I said it.
I mean I love both of those Noh-Varrs, but Noh-Varr being fascinated with classic Earth culture is not only a pretty endearing trait, it makes him stand out amongst the rest of the YA cast who are all very much modern teenagers who probably do love dubstep, glitch hop, etc.
He's a space hipster.
Regardless of whether I like that stuff or not, it fits Noh Varr's character more than him liking the same stuff that everyone else always has. It gives him that edge, he's in your face, he enjoys things you don't almost because you don't. He's the guy who wrote "fuck you" in burning city blocks, he's become far too laid back for my liking. That character is barely even there any more.
Has Noh-Varr actually mentioned the Beatles or Johnny Cash? Because I'm pretty sure he hasn't.
In issue #1, he listens to the Ronettes. In #4 he puts on a Candi Staton song. In #8 he says he's been listening to Gram Parsons. I think that's all the music references he's made so far.
It's been a few years, MU time, since he showed up on Earth and it is clear he has matured and found himself a little bit more. He's still cocky and arrogant, but he is no longer the punk anarchist that will kill thousands simply to write FUCK YOU in the ground.
If you don't like that he has changed, that's cool, but I think it is a perfectly valid direction for the character.
I hear that changes people
the new direction seems pretty dull in comparison
No one died. It was directly pointed out there were zero fatalities.
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And that was cool. He was the kind of guy who couldn't meet someone without judging them, a teenage cross between Magneto, Namor and Spider-Man, arrogant but still likeable because you could tell that sometimes he had a point. He had suffered as a result of entirely plausible failings in human ethics and society, his ruthless uncoverings of our own failures were often legitimate, his bewilderment at our self-destruction was so heartfelt as to be embarrassing, but he also recognised genuine compassion and decency when he came across it as well. He wasn't cruel or heartless, his anger and frustration was born out of precisely the opposite of that, he cared about humans too much to let them fuck up so much.
There aren't many superheroes like that. Anarchist, punk types with a grudge against the world, but clearly heroes fighting villains. In fact, there was Noh Varr, and that's about it. And sadly, now he's not that any more, and I'm not sure what he is, but it doesn't seem worth the change.
Neither will reference the other until they're over
I mean Avengers has Cannonball, Sunspot and Wolverine and there is Uncanny Avengers and Beast is on the Illuminati.
But then there is Avengers Assemble, Secret Avengers, Avengers Arena, Avengers AI, Uncanny X-Men, All-New X-Men, Uncanny X-Force, Cable and X-Force, Wolverine and the X-Men, X-Men and the various solo books.
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Just say "Franklin Richards did it" and keep reading. Asides from the crossovers and a few shoutouts here and there, there really is no reason not to just enjoy the stories.
Unless you are reading the X-books. Those are a whole different story.
Spray silly string at a wall, then randomly place character names all over it. You'll be pretty close
If you read a Cap comic from the 40's that is still in continuity
DC may have more characters from the Golden Age around in their setting, but Marvel has an unbroken chain over 70 years old
pretty damn cool!