If he did the negative thing, I agree, irony at its best, but no where in that quote does he say he did anything wrong besides capitalize on the influx of ADs due to exploiters (which itself is NOT an exploit).
Yes, it is. He knowingly put up auctions at ridiculous prices to take advantage of the exploit.
It's like saying that if a guy robs a bank, then drops a sack of money on his way out, it's ok for you to keep that money. If you pick up that sack of money and leave, you've just stolen money from the bank.
This is the exact same situation. He exploited the fact that people were exploiting to make millions of AD. And he was banned for it.
It's pretty clear the guy knew about the exploit, and put his goods up at excessive prices specifically for the purpose of getting a piece of the action.
From Cryptic's point of view, he was a mule someone was using to transfer funds from their exploiting account.
If he did the negative thing, I agree, irony at its best, but no where in that quote does he say he did anything wrong besides capitalize on the influx of ADs due to exploiters (which itself is NOT an exploit).
Yes, it is. He knowingly put up auctions at ridiculous prices to take advantage of the exploit.
It's like saying that if a guy robs a bank, then drops a sack of money on his way out, it's ok for you to keep that money. If you pick up that sack of money and leave, you've just stolen money from the bank.
This is the exact same situation. He exploited the fact that people were exploiting to make millions of AD. And he was banned for it.
It's more like being stopped next to a bank in your shitbox car, a dude in a mask with a duffle bag full of cash comes out and you say "Hey, 100k for this car?"
It's not exactly stealing but it sure as shit aiding and abetting and super illegal. Those prices are like 10 to 20 times what they normally sell for, yes?
Thank god my level 60 character now has some free XP boosting scrolls.
The annoying thing about the XP scrolls is that they're account (instead of character) bound, but there's no way to actually transfer them between characters.
Thank god my level 60 character now has some free XP boosting scrolls.
The annoying thing about the XP scrolls is that they're account (instead of character) bound, but there's no way to actually transfer them between characters.
If he did the negative thing, I agree, irony at its best, but no where in that quote does he say he did anything wrong besides capitalize on the influx of ADs due to exploiters (which itself is NOT an exploit).
Yes, it is. He knowingly put up auctions at ridiculous prices to take advantage of the exploit.
It's like saying that if a guy robs a bank, then drops a sack of money on his way out, it's ok for you to keep that money. If you pick up that sack of money and leave, you've just stolen money from the bank.
This is the exact same situation. He exploited the fact that people were exploiting to make millions of AD. And he was banned for it.
It's more like being stopped next to a bank in your shitbox car, a dude in a mask with a duffle bag full of cash comes out and you say "Hey, 100k for this car?"
It's not exactly stealing but it sure as shit aiding and abetting and super illegal. Those prices are like 10 to 20 times what they normally sell for, yes?
And without analogies, he's saying it's wrong to exploit a glitch to generate millions of diamonds, but it's okay to then take those ill-gotten diamonds in a trade. Damn exploiters.
Yes, and if the quest is 15 minutes or over it is eligible for the daily foundry mission credit. Which in turn generates astral diamonds and XP(?).
Surely there is some way to prevent someone making a loot farm map? Or do all maps need to be checked over by Cryptic?
Sure, it's called temp banning!
There is some kind of XP limiter in place to prevent people (now) from creating maps with a bunch of ogres on precarious ledges where a single push sends them to their doom.
Edit: These are actually for XP farming. The creators don't control the loot in the maps, it's all by monster drop with a chest at the end determined by average play time.
Yes, and if the quest is 15 minutes or over it is eligible for the daily foundry mission credit. Which in turn generates astral diamonds and XP(?).
Surely there is some way to prevent someone making a loot farm map? Or do all maps need to be checked over by Cryptic?
Sure, it's called temp banning!
There is some kind of XP limiter in place to prevent people (now) from creating maps with a bunch of ogres on precarious ledges where a single push sends them to their doom.
Edit: These are actually for XP farming. The creators don't control the loot in the maps, it's all by monster drop with a chest at the end determined by average play time.
Gotcha. I'm very intrigued by this here Foundry thing.
For the Founder's pack, does that refer to the $200 only one, or is the $60 a "Founder's" pack as well? I'm seeing a banner that says the program ends soon and was planning on grabbing the $60 pack in the coming weeks if the game holds my interest.
Those packs have so little that actually interest me. Like, give me some ease of use improvements and I will give you money. A respec token and a bag of holding are about it for useful things in those. Geez.
Those packs have so little that actually interest me. Like, give me some ease of use improvements and I will give you money. A respec token and a bag of holding are about it for useful things in those. Geez.
Can't you buy that with the 2mil/600k astral diamonds anyway? I have no clue. Haven't looked at anything in the shops.
Those packs have so little that actually interest me. Like, give me some ease of use improvements and I will give you money. A respec token and a bag of holding are about it for useful things in those. Geez.
Can't you buy that with the 2mil/600k astral diamonds anyway? I have no clue. Haven't looked at anything in the shops.
Well, right now? Nope. The AD exchange is closed. Haven't checked to see if it's reopened or where the zen/AD exchange rate would end up. Before I know something like 200k AD would buy you a character slot.
I'd love to see something like having a second toggle able hot bar as a pay feature. So I don't have to manually switch before a boss or doing PvP. In play you'd still eat the 10 second recharge and all, it's just less annoyance.
Maybe got it confused with the Auction House, which will be down until Thursday at least.
And yeah, despite everyone claiming the economy was ruined, the game was over and a full wipe would be needed, the game is right back where it was before Caturday. Obvously, we'll need to see what state the AH is in before we make a final call, but so far the sky hasn't fallen on Neverwinter.
Does any pronouncement about the health of the economy hold much weight until the AH is up though? I'm not trying to be obtuse for the sake of being obtuse, honest. I'm just saying that until we see it there's a major unknown that could be right and truly borked.
Hopefully it's fine and life can continue as was before.
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Assuming they cleared out most of the illegitimate diamonds, what about the AH could screw up the economy. And even if a few whales are still left unbanned, so what?
Just because Bill Gates is worth billions, doesn't mean that bread in Washington is $1000 a loaf.
Bill Gates doesn't go around buying up the entire planet's oil supplies, whereas the geese in games tend to hoard crafting stuff on the AH to resell at stupid prices so they just keep getting more and more money.
Assuming they cleared out most of the illegitimate diamonds, what about the AH could screw up the economy. And even if a few whales are still left unbanned, so what?
Just because Bill Gates is worth billions, doesn't mean that bread in Washington is $1000 a loaf.
This analogy doesn't make sense. It would only make sense if all of Bill Gates' money was generated through counterfeit and he happened to get away with it through chance. That kind of money generation would definitely effect the economy in negative ways.
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Bill Gates doesn't go around buying up the entire planet's oil supplies, whereas the geese in games tend to hoard crafting stuff on the AH to resell at stupid prices so they just keep getting more and more money.
Exactly. Bill Gates doesn't go around buying stuff to raise prices on anything, because he can't make enough of an impoact. Same thing with people who have crap tons of AD. There's always this MMO theory that people are manipulating the AH. But this doesn't really happen. There's just too much wealth out there for a few people to affect the overall balance.
And if it does, it's incredibly short term and never lasts. If crafting mats are greater than their value, people don't buy them. Or it offers the incentive for other players to NOT craft and sell their mats. Or go farm mats. It's how the market works.
So since we can assume Cryptic has taken care of the "unlimited" AD problem, the market (regardless of how many actual diamonds are left) will correct itself naturally. Once you close off the easy money exploits, supply and demand will take over, and whatever excessive wealth is out there will eventually redistribute itself.
There's always this MMO theory that people are manipulating the AH. But this doesn't really happen. There's just too much wealth out there for a few people to affect the overall balance.
And if it does, it's incredibly short term and never lasts. If crafting mats are greater than their value, people don't buy them. Or it offers the incentive for other players to NOT craft and sell their mats. Or go farm mats. It's how the market works.
As someone who did this in WoW on the Sargeras server and got told point blank by a Blizzard employee to knock it off or get perma-banned, it's definitely possible in an MMO. It doesn't even take that long, about two weeks from the time I decided I hated being poor and when I got the message from a GM. I wasn't even using an exploit, I was just taking advantage of the current events (anyone playing during the AQ event should remember the mysterious absence of copper ore for about two days, and then a sudden influx of the stuff at vastly marked up costs, and subsequently high prices for everything else related to mining/blacksmithing shortly thereafter). It took from midway through vanilla WoW to near the release of Wrath (second expansion) to get to a point where a stack of ore wasn't 300% to 1000% higher than on any other server.
It happens, and it's not even that hard, it just requires someone who wants more money and has a bit of time to troll the AH. Now the number of people with enough money to do such a thing without some prep is vastly increased thanks to the flood of billions of AD, the only difference here is that the professions are mostly worthless aside from a few items for slots you don't usually find stuff for as you level.
I imagine I could have made a larger amount than I did if I hadn't started to branch off into every other profession's mats near the end of it. I think I ended up buying the majority of my guild's consistent raiders epic mounts that didn't already have them, it was like 20 people or so. I know it took me half a year to slowly sell off the three alt banks worth of crap I had saved up that I was in the process of offloading when I got yelled at.
I wish the professions in Neverwinter were more useful than they seem to be at the moment. Shirts and pants are about all I've seen from them that are even semi-useful while leveling, and I haven't read anywhere about good stuff once they're maxed out.
Leadership seems like it's about the only thing worth spending time on, just because it gives AD and extra incidental XP while I'm not normally playing.
I did that with some rare gem from mining back in vanilla WoW.
Couldn't be arsed keeping it up for more than 3-4 days, but I did get a nice return on the investment.
I did the same thing in GW2 when it was new and the lodestone market. That investment funded both my legendaries pretty easily.
By the time I had a second legendary the payoff on lodestones became less and less though. But when the game was new, people didn't even know the use of a lodestone and would post it for very low amounts. Buy and resell for a HUGE profit.
The $200 Founder's pack is such a rip-off.
Previously in cryptic games, paying that much got you a 500 cryptic point/zen point monthly allowance, for as long as the game remains active, in addition to a bunch of other perks.
If you wanna spend $200, then just buy zen for that amount. The drow will become available for free or for zen points in a couple of months.
The $200 pack is a Collector's Edition, not a discount Zen pack.
And the reason Lifetimer's get a Zen stipend in STO is because that game was sold as a subscription based game, and the Zen stipend is to compensate those players who PAID for a lifetime subscription for a game that ended up going free to play.
Apples to oranges, people.
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A little late figuring this out, but I think I know why some people couldn't withdraw from the Guild bank (and how to "fix" it).
There are actually 2 guild bank NPCs. One is the Guild creation NPC by Sgt. Knox; this NPC is the wrong one to use. You can view and deposit items into the Guild bank, but you can't withdraw from it. Or at least, I can't at all.
The correct Guild Banker to use is the one standing outside the normal player bank between the two standard bank NPCs. This guy will let you have the full/normal access to the guild bank.
Replace "Veronica Vaughn" with "I was responsible for manipulating the AH on my WoW server"
It's actually a pretty common thing to do. Cornering a market is right up there next to buy low / sell high using add-ons. Piss easy and it makes a lot of money. If you think that didn't happen all the time, then you're just being naive.
I've still yet to play since the rollback. I've had misgivings about the game since I learned that no one actually wants Guardians for tanking.
There's a difference between cornering a market and market manipulation. Yes, savvy use of the AH can make a lot of money, but it's hardly on the 'groundbreaking economic disaster' scale. That's my point, relevant to the cries of impending doom earlier.
And of course, the AH comes back up and everything is normal. So that's that.
Replace "Veronica Vaughn" with "I was responsible for manipulating the AH on my WoW server"
It's actually a pretty common thing to do. Cornering a market is right up there next to buy low / sell high using add-ons. Piss easy and it makes a lot of money. If you think that didn't happen all the time, then you're just being naive.
I've still yet to play since the rollback. I've had misgivings about the game since I learned that no one actually wants Guardians for tanking.
That's less because Guardians are bad and more because the aggro setup in this game is kind of borked. If Guardians could meaningfully hold threat then they'd be in demand. As it is, Clerics are pretty much the equivalent of a tank. :P
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Yes, it is. He knowingly put up auctions at ridiculous prices to take advantage of the exploit.
It's like saying that if a guy robs a bank, then drops a sack of money on his way out, it's ok for you to keep that money. If you pick up that sack of money and leave, you've just stolen money from the bank.
This is the exact same situation. He exploited the fact that people were exploiting to make millions of AD. And he was banned for it.
From Cryptic's point of view, he was a mule someone was using to transfer funds from their exploiting account.
It's more like being stopped next to a bank in your shitbox car, a dude in a mask with a duffle bag full of cash comes out and you say "Hey, 100k for this car?"
It's not exactly stealing but it sure as shit aiding and abetting and super illegal. Those prices are like 10 to 20 times what they normally sell for, yes?
Dohh! yeah sorry I got confused with another game im immersed in, Path of Exile, all the stash slots are shared in that one.
Give it time, enough people complain about no shared storage between characters and they will add it.... for $25 or something.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
And without analogies, he's saying it's wrong to exploit a glitch to generate millions of diamonds, but it's okay to then take those ill-gotten diamonds in a trade. Damn exploiters.
Surely there is some way to prevent someone making a loot farm map? Or do all maps need to be checked over by Cryptic?
Sure, it's called temp banning!
There is some kind of XP limiter in place to prevent people (now) from creating maps with a bunch of ogres on precarious ledges where a single push sends them to their doom.
Edit: These are actually for XP farming. The creators don't control the loot in the maps, it's all by monster drop with a chest at the end determined by average play time.
Gotcha. I'm very intrigued by this here Foundry thing.
For the Founder's pack, does that refer to the $200 only one, or is the $60 a "Founder's" pack as well? I'm seeing a banner that says the program ends soon and was planning on grabbing the $60 pack in the coming weeks if the game holds my interest.
Can't you buy that with the 2mil/600k astral diamonds anyway? I have no clue. Haven't looked at anything in the shops.
Well, right now? Nope. The AD exchange is closed. Haven't checked to see if it's reopened or where the zen/AD exchange rate would end up. Before I know something like 200k AD would buy you a character slot.
I'd love to see something like having a second toggle able hot bar as a pay feature. So I don't have to manually switch before a boss or doing PvP. In play you'd still eat the 10 second recharge and all, it's just less annoyance.
Seriously? Then why the hell did that message talk about them being down! Jerks.
That's roughly where we were before the giant SNAFU.
And yeah, despite everyone claiming the economy was ruined, the game was over and a full wipe would be needed, the game is right back where it was before Caturday. Obvously, we'll need to see what state the AH is in before we make a final call, but so far the sky hasn't fallen on Neverwinter.
Hopefully it's fine and life can continue as was before.
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This analogy doesn't make sense. It would only make sense if all of Bill Gates' money was generated through counterfeit and he happened to get away with it through chance. That kind of money generation would definitely effect the economy in negative ways.
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Exactly. Bill Gates doesn't go around buying stuff to raise prices on anything, because he can't make enough of an impoact. Same thing with people who have crap tons of AD. There's always this MMO theory that people are manipulating the AH. But this doesn't really happen. There's just too much wealth out there for a few people to affect the overall balance.
And if it does, it's incredibly short term and never lasts. If crafting mats are greater than their value, people don't buy them. Or it offers the incentive for other players to NOT craft and sell their mats. Or go farm mats. It's how the market works.
So since we can assume Cryptic has taken care of the "unlimited" AD problem, the market (regardless of how many actual diamonds are left) will correct itself naturally. Once you close off the easy money exploits, supply and demand will take over, and whatever excessive wealth is out there will eventually redistribute itself.
As someone who did this in WoW on the Sargeras server and got told point blank by a Blizzard employee to knock it off or get perma-banned, it's definitely possible in an MMO. It doesn't even take that long, about two weeks from the time I decided I hated being poor and when I got the message from a GM. I wasn't even using an exploit, I was just taking advantage of the current events (anyone playing during the AQ event should remember the mysterious absence of copper ore for about two days, and then a sudden influx of the stuff at vastly marked up costs, and subsequently high prices for everything else related to mining/blacksmithing shortly thereafter). It took from midway through vanilla WoW to near the release of Wrath (second expansion) to get to a point where a stack of ore wasn't 300% to 1000% higher than on any other server.
It happens, and it's not even that hard, it just requires someone who wants more money and has a bit of time to troll the AH. Now the number of people with enough money to do such a thing without some prep is vastly increased thanks to the flood of billions of AD, the only difference here is that the professions are mostly worthless aside from a few items for slots you don't usually find stuff for as you level.
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Couldn't be arsed keeping it up for more than 3-4 days, but I did get a nice return on the investment.
I wish the professions in Neverwinter were more useful than they seem to be at the moment. Shirts and pants are about all I've seen from them that are even semi-useful while leveling, and I haven't read anywhere about good stuff once they're maxed out.
Leadership seems like it's about the only thing worth spending time on, just because it gives AD and extra incidental XP while I'm not normally playing.
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I did the same thing in GW2 when it was new and the lodestone market. That investment funded both my legendaries pretty easily.
By the time I had a second legendary the payoff on lodestones became less and less though. But when the game was new, people didn't even know the use of a lodestone and would post it for very low amounts. Buy and resell for a HUGE profit.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Previously in cryptic games, paying that much got you a 500 cryptic point/zen point monthly allowance, for as long as the game remains active, in addition to a bunch of other perks.
If you wanna spend $200, then just buy zen for that amount. The drow will become available for free or for zen points in a couple of months.
And the reason Lifetimer's get a Zen stipend in STO is because that game was sold as a subscription based game, and the Zen stipend is to compensate those players who PAID for a lifetime subscription for a game that ended up going free to play.
Apples to oranges, people.
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There are actually 2 guild bank NPCs. One is the Guild creation NPC by Sgt. Knox; this NPC is the wrong one to use. You can view and deposit items into the Guild bank, but you can't withdraw from it. Or at least, I can't at all.
The correct Guild Banker to use is the one standing outside the normal player bank between the two standard bank NPCs. This guy will let you have the full/normal access to the guild bank.
It's actually a pretty common thing to do. Cornering a market is right up there next to buy low / sell high using add-ons. Piss easy and it makes a lot of money. If you think that didn't happen all the time, then you're just being naive.
I've still yet to play since the rollback. I've had misgivings about the game since I learned that no one actually wants Guardians for tanking.
And of course, the AH comes back up and everything is normal. So that's that.
That's less because Guardians are bad and more because the aggro setup in this game is kind of borked. If Guardians could meaningfully hold threat then they'd be in demand. As it is, Clerics are pretty much the equivalent of a tank. :P
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