Admit it, you were hoping it'd roll over to a negative sided die weren't you.
edit: yep, looked at the actual, very specific size you chose. Now I just look silly.
One problem I can see with this is that if the results aren't available to the person making the post then it's going to lead to a lot of multi-posting when there are result dependant decisions to make. Things like a combat in Arkham Horror involve a lot of dice, in a lot of separate rolls, and decisions on clue token usage and such. For example this post of mine, involving 6 different rolls, where pretty much all of them depended on the results of either the previous roll or the first roll. It's going to be a little unwieldy, or spammy, if the results of a roll are only available once a post is actually made.
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One problem I can see with this is that if the results aren't available to the person making the post then it's going to lead to a lot of multi-posting when there are result dependant decisions to make. Things like a combat in Arkham Horror involve a lot of dice, in a lot of separate rolls, and decisions on clue token usage and such. For example this post of mine, involving 6 different rolls, where pretty much all of them depended on the results of either the previous roll or the first roll. It's going to be a little unwieldy, or spammy, if the results of a roll are only available once a post is actually made.
I think that for some use-cases an integrated post roller will be unwieldy, but making the integrated roller available won't preclude using off-site ones still.
It will have to come down to what you need, the convenience of the integrated should make it workable for many though.
Not sure if these is anything that could be done to support your kind of workflow? Not without making the rolling system a lot more explicit and robust to support editing and tracking manipulation (ala Mythweavers).
You could do it through some form of nested bbcode with conditionals, but that would be a lot of work and you'd have to account for all possiblities for each roll and what happens then
One problem I can see with this is that if the results aren't available to the person making the post then it's going to lead to a lot of multi-posting when there are result dependant decisions to make. Things like a combat in Arkham Horror involve a lot of dice, in a lot of separate rolls, and decisions on clue token usage and such. For example this post of mine, involving 6 different rolls, where pretty much all of them depended on the results of either the previous roll or the first roll. It's going to be a little unwieldy, or spammy, if the results of a roll are only available once a post is actually made.
I think that for some use-cases an integrated post roller will be unwieldy, but making the integrated roller available won't preclude using off-site ones still.
It will have to come down to what you need, the convenience of the integrated should make it workable for many though.
Not sure if these is anything that could be done to support your kind of workflow? Not without making the rolling system a lot more explicit and robust to support editing and tracking manipulation (ala Mythweavers).
Arkham, and the way we play it here, seems like something best left off-site. Or at least out of thread, but I'm thinking that would defeat the point.
@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.
Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.
Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.
@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.
Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.
Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.
Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.
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@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.
Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.
Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.
Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.
No idea how possible this is but if those threads simply didn't go to the top of the index page on new post it'd solve itself neatly. Players would bookmark the thread for when needed, it's there to go check if you want and it wouldn't bother anybody else.
Edit: Oh and I greatly disagree on the work-flow comment. Posting here in two threads takes much less time than entering a bunch of rolls offsite, hyperlinking them and posting it here. Really the hyperlinking is the greatly improved ease of use. I don't imagine there would be any need to link to specific posts for something like a PbP. I'd just say Geth roll 2d20 for Twin Strike in the dice thread and list out results in the game thread. Everybody already has a link to the roll thread.
@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.
Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.
Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.
Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.
No idea how possible this is but if those threads simply didn't go to the top of the index page on new post it'd solve itself neatly. Players would bookmark the thread for when needed, it's there to go check if you want and it wouldn't bother anybody else.
Edit: Oh and I greatly disagree on the work-flow comment. Posting here in two threads takes much less time than entering a bunch of rolls offsite, hyperlinking them and posting it here. Really the hyperlinking is the greatly improved ease of use. I don't imagine there would be any need to link to specific posts for something like a PbP. I'd just say Geth roll 2d20 for Twin Strike in the dice thread and list out results in the game thread. Everybody already has a link to the roll thread.
If sinking the threads is an issue (Hub seems weird about it, but I recall hearing that's a specific issue with the 'comment' threads), maybe a hidden Dice subforum in CF? OP says "Geth make me a roll thread", Geth makes a threadUID+[Rolls] thread in the hidden forum (if it doesn't exist) and posts the link. Putting it in a separate forum might allow them to auto-purge the inactive threads to help keep it tight.
That sounds needlessly complex, much more so than implementing an actual roller.
The ideal solution seems to be: if you're doing a post with a lot of rolls and need to know the results while making it, do it using an offsite roller and link, exactly like everyone does fine now?
Making an "offsite roller but built-in" is kinda pointless imo, as soon as its not integrated into your post anymore it is not relevant because we already have non-integrated.
It needs a way for people to label rolls if it's going to do more than one at once. Not that I'm accusing anyone, but sometimes people will try to take the best roll out of a group for their best attack.
People will describe what they're doing presumably in the post.
Which opens editing to abuse as I mentioned earlier, but you can just have a "don't edit posts, jerks" rule ala phalla.
As far as I'm aware there's no way to edit a post without leaving a stamp, so just discount a roll with a stamp on it. In a case where it's an important roll that they may have fudged you can ask a mod to look at the edit history. Or just call any roll with an edit on it a botch.
People will describe what they're doing presumably in the post.
Which opens editing to abuse as I mentioned earlier, but you can just have a "don't edit posts, jerks" rule ala phalla.
As far as I'm aware there's no way to edit a post without leaving a stamp, so just discount a roll with a stamp on it. In a case where it's an important roll that they may have fudged you can ask a mod to look at the edit history. Or just call any roll with an edit on it a botch.
Yep, that is what I'm meaning. If you have an edit stamp on a vote in phalla for example we just ignore the vote.
@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.
Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.
Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.
Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.
No idea how possible this is but if those threads simply didn't go to the top of the index page on new post it'd solve itself neatly. Players would bookmark the thread for when needed, it's there to go check if you want and it wouldn't bother anybody else.
Edit: Oh and I greatly disagree on the work-flow comment. Posting here in two threads takes much less time than entering a bunch of rolls offsite, hyperlinking them and posting it here. Really the hyperlinking is the greatly improved ease of use. I don't imagine there would be any need to link to specific posts for something like a PbP. I'd just say Geth roll 2d20 for Twin Strike in the dice thread and list out results in the game thread. Everybody already has a link to the roll thread.
If sinking the threads is an issue (Hub seems weird about it, but I recall hearing that's a specific issue with the 'comment' threads), maybe a hidden Dice subforum in CF? OP says "Geth make me a roll thread", Geth makes a threadUID+[Rolls] thread in the hidden forum (if it doesn't exist) and posts the link. Putting it in a separate forum might allow them to auto-purge the inactive threads to help keep it tight.
If you want to be really crazy, how about implementing the ability for threads to have subthreads? That way PbP games could have everything bundled together.
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They have an extremely comprehensive dice roller.
Geth roll 10d2147483647
edit: yep, looked at the actual, very specific size you chose. Now I just look silly.
Geth roll 1d9
It'd be cool if someday you could print the result if the list is formatted correctly.
Geth roll 1d20+5
I think that for some use-cases an integrated post roller will be unwieldy, but making the integrated roller available won't preclude using off-site ones still.
It will have to come down to what you need, the convenience of the integrated should make it workable for many though.
Not sure if these is anything that could be done to support your kind of workflow? Not without making the rolling system a lot more explicit and robust to support editing and tracking manipulation (ala Mythweavers).
@Chrysis a hypothetical: if you could have Geth roll all that stuff in a catch-all "Dice rolls" or "[Thread] Rolls" PM thread, would that actually be any better than using Orokos? (Or whatever). I'm thinking not, since you'd lose the ability to link the receipt for the roll.
Edit: Alternatively, maybe create a [rolls] sister thread for AH/complex games as a workaround? You'd need Geth to id the roller to avoid confusion from race conditions, but then you've got transparency and you didn't have to flood the main thread.
Then just write up the results in the narrative thread.
Just thinking out loud. Offsite still seems optimal for that type of complex rolling, apart from the bonus opportunities for creative profanity that a rolling thread would create.
Hypothetically a separate thread would, in terms of work-flow, be no different to off-site rolling. It would have the advantage of being more easily and immediately verifiable by the other players, not that I think dishonesty in rolling is a huge problem around here. The disadvantage would be from a modding perspective, in that having a separate thread whose sole purpose is contain dice rolls would potentially bloat up the forum with threads containing no discussion. Maybe if there was a sub-forum whose purpose was to contain all those dice-rolling threads under Critical Failures that would be a viable solution. Or pull the PbP threads out into a separate sub-forum so as not to drown actual discussions.
No idea how possible this is but if those threads simply didn't go to the top of the index page on new post it'd solve itself neatly. Players would bookmark the thread for when needed, it's there to go check if you want and it wouldn't bother anybody else.
Edit: Oh and I greatly disagree on the work-flow comment. Posting here in two threads takes much less time than entering a bunch of rolls offsite, hyperlinking them and posting it here. Really the hyperlinking is the greatly improved ease of use. I don't imagine there would be any need to link to specific posts for something like a PbP. I'd just say Geth roll 2d20 for Twin Strike in the dice thread and list out results in the game thread. Everybody already has a link to the roll thread.
The ideal solution seems to be: if you're doing a post with a lot of rolls and need to know the results while making it, do it using an offsite roller and link, exactly like everyone does fine now?
Making an "offsite roller but built-in" is kinda pointless imo, as soon as its not integrated into your post anymore it is not relevant because we already have non-integrated.
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Which opens editing to abuse as I mentioned earlier, but you can just have a "don't edit posts, jerks" rule ala phalla.
Something like:
or something. I don't know what you kids might use for descriptions but that syntax parsing is already built it.
As far as I'm aware there's no way to edit a post without leaving a stamp, so just discount a roll with a stamp on it. In a case where it's an important roll that they may have fudged you can ask a mod to look at the edit history. Or just call any roll with an edit on it a botch.
Yep, that is what I'm meaning. If you have an edit stamp on a vote in phalla for example we just ignore the vote.
If you want to be really crazy, how about implementing the ability for threads to have subthreads? That way PbP games could have everything bundled together.
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Geth roll "1d20 1d20" for Good guy, Bad guy
Edit: So it does! Just doesn't show until refresh.
Ninja edits are no longer a thing, sadly