Since you were so supportive to me, I decided to be super supportive to my team. And by supportive I mean ADC Sona because my Ashe couldn't quite get there. (Let her have all the CS and backed off kills as much as I could, but she was just having trouble getting into position that game, which we all said was fine.)
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
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Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
To be fair though the reason I (and most people I know) create a smurf to play with new friends has nothing to do with fear of losing and everything to do with not wanting my lvl 30 account to bring other lvl 30s into the game where my friends are just learning how to play. It's about easing them into the game. It's why I don't play seriously on my smurf in those situations either, it's because I also don't want to just stomp the enemy and ruin their fun. I spend most of my time offering suggestions and answering questions for my friend and very little time actually doing anything constructive on my own champ.
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Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
To be fair though the reason I (and most people I know) create a smurf to play with new friends has nothing to do with fear of losing and everything to do with not wanting my lvl 30 account to bring other lvl 30s into the game where my friends are just learning how to play. It's about easing them into the game. It's why I don't play seriously on my smurf in those situations either, it's because I also don't want to just stomp the enemy and ruin their fun. I spend most of my time offering suggestions and answering questions for my friend and very little time actually doing anything constructive on my own champ.
Plus then you can refer yourself. Train up enough friends and you can earn a warwick skin. :P
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
To be fair though the reason I (and most people I know) create a smurf to play with new friends has nothing to do with fear of losing and everything to do with not wanting my lvl 30 account to bring other lvl 30s into the game where my friends are just learning how to play. It's about easing them into the game. It's why I don't play seriously on my smurf in those situations either, it's because I also don't want to just stomp the enemy and ruin their fun. I spend most of my time offering suggestions and answering questions for my friend and very little time actually doing anything constructive on my own champ.
That's fine honestly to me. I just don't really agree with smurfs in general because aside from easing someone in there's more or less no good reasons to do it and even then it's kinda hard to blur the line between when you should start playing with your 'proper' account.
Really there should just be a mastery/rune disabled option for custom games or something. That would help.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
To be fair though the reason I (and most people I know) create a smurf to play with new friends has nothing to do with fear of losing and everything to do with not wanting my lvl 30 account to bring other lvl 30s into the game where my friends are just learning how to play. It's about easing them into the game. It's why I don't play seriously on my smurf in those situations either, it's because I also don't want to just stomp the enemy and ruin their fun. I spend most of my time offering suggestions and answering questions for my friend and very little time actually doing anything constructive on my own champ.
Plus then you can refer yourself. Train up enough friends and you can earn a warwick skin. :P
Ha very true, but I don't think I've ever actually referred anyone , I always forget to tell my friends that and I never did it on my smurfs.
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The competitive part of LoL is both its greatest aspect and its worst flaw. I would love to see more of a "non-competitive scene" appear, where things are taken less seriously. And if I were Riot I would implement a faction score system and different lore-related conflicts to make people play in different ways, for example in this case choosing champions for their allegiance instead of for which is the more "optimal".
Smite has these 'daily games' which are basically various joke game modes you can play in.
One day it was teams of just two gods.
The other day everyone started with enough gold to buy a full build
ETC. ETC.
Riot could do a lot to encourage a less competitive side to League and it annoys me that they don't seem the slightest bit interested in doing so.
uhhhh
Not trying to be a jerk here, so please don't take this the wrong way, but we just had the Howling Abyss release which was absolutely a huge undertaking on their part purely for the non-competitive side of Lol.
*edit*
I mean, where else can you go on-hit Heimerdinger and be an OP as fuck death monster. That was an 11 minute game.
Yeah, which came after Riot seeing it was already a massively popular thing already. It was nice but it kind of feels hard to say they do too much outside of Ranked and SR in terms of their focus.
This is true, SR and Ranked are going to be their focus because it's primarily what they've invested most of their time/money and where most of the draw for the game comes from. Their vision is that League gets taken seriously as a sport. In order to do that, you have to invest a lot of capital and time into promoting ranked to get people to care about about the competitive side of the game.
With that said, I do feel you're selling Riot a little short here. Howling Abyss was a project that received a lot of attention from Riot, purely as fan fare, and they didn't have to support it. Now you're right, the mode had become popular enough to warrant a map, but the onus was still on them to recognize it's popularity and develop it further.
Later this year, its entirely possible we're going to get magma chamber for both 1v1 and 2v2 maps - another gift to the players looking for something beyond Summoner's Rift. To me these developments suggest that Riot does want to support non-Ranked and non-SR modes to the game, but they want to do those modes right, so the development time takes longer. I do agree it's not their primary focus, but I don't think they are uninterested, there's just a lot of things going on for them and SR and Ranked are always first priority.
Yeah, I agree honestly. Just one thing most of League's competitors do better than it is the 'fun' stuff in terms of dumb little things.
SMNC has a great achievement system
DOTA's announcers and VO work
Smite's daily games
Basically I want Riot to do all these things because I love League most and want to be able to do these things in League. I don't mean to downplay the effort that new content takes to create at all.
EDIT: wait, can't put SMNC as a competitor without sighing at how much of a joke that is. So sad.
Yeah, I'd love to see little things like that too. There are all these little tiny elements that different games have gotten right that I'd like to see incorporated into league. League has done the best job out of them all, imo, but it's the little nuances in details that the other games have that are what create some really fun moments.
I'm also 100% on board with more voice acting in the game and one liners between rivals. I want to know that graves and tf are enemies, not have to read some lore about it. If they're both in the game there needs to be some banter between them that flushes out the characters and gives them personality.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
To be fair though the reason I (and most people I know) create a smurf to play with new friends has nothing to do with fear of losing and everything to do with not wanting my lvl 30 account to bring other lvl 30s into the game where my friends are just learning how to play. It's about easing them into the game. It's why I don't play seriously on my smurf in those situations either, it's because I also don't want to just stomp the enemy and ruin their fun. I spend most of my time offering suggestions and answering questions for my friend and very little time actually doing anything constructive on my own champ.
That's fine honestly to me. I just don't really agree with smurfs in general because aside from easing someone in there's more or less no good reasons to do it and even then it's kinda hard to blur the line between when you should start playing with your 'proper' account.
Really there should just be a mastery/rune disabled option for custom games or something. That would help.
My rule of thumb is that I start playing on my main account when they hit 20, by then they know enough about the game that the increased difficulty is something they can learn from and not just be frustrated by.
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The competitive part of LoL is both its greatest aspect and its worst flaw. I would love to see more of a "non-competitive scene" appear, where things are taken less seriously. And if I were Riot I would implement a faction score system and different lore-related conflicts to make people play in different ways, for example in this case choosing champions for their allegiance instead of for which is the more "optimal".
Smite has these 'daily games' which are basically various joke game modes you can play in.
One day it was teams of just two gods.
The other day everyone started with enough gold to buy a full build
ETC. ETC.
Riot could do a lot to encourage a less competitive side to League and it annoys me that they don't seem the slightest bit interested in doing so.
uhhhh
Not trying to be a jerk here, so please don't take this the wrong way, but we just had the Howling Abyss release which was absolutely a huge undertaking on their part purely for the non-competitive side of Lol.
*edit*
I mean, where else can you go on-hit Heimerdinger and be an OP as fuck death monster. That was an 11 minute game.
Yeah, which came after Riot seeing it was already a massively popular thing already. It was nice but it kind of feels hard to say they do too much outside of Ranked and SR in terms of their focus.
This is true, SR and Ranked are going to be their focus because it's primarily what they've invested most of their time/money and where most of the draw for the game comes from. Their vision is that League gets taken seriously as a sport. In order to do that, you have to invest a lot of capital and time into promoting ranked to get people to care about about the competitive side of the game.
With that said, I do feel you're selling Riot a little short here. Howling Abyss was a project that received a lot of attention from Riot, purely as fan fare, and they didn't have to support it. Now you're right, the mode had become popular enough to warrant a map, but the onus was still on them to recognize it's popularity and develop it further.
Later this year, its entirely possible we're going to get magma chamber for both 1v1 and 2v2 maps - another gift to the players looking for something beyond Summoner's Rift. To me these developments suggest that Riot does want to support non-Ranked and non-SR modes to the game, but they want to do those modes right, so the development time takes longer. I do agree it's not their primary focus, but I don't think they are uninterested, there's just a lot of things going on for them and SR and Ranked are always first priority.
Yeah, I agree honestly. Just one thing most of League's competitors do better than it is the 'fun' stuff in terms of dumb little things.
SMNC has a great achievement system
DOTA's announcers and VO work
Smite's daily games
Basically I want Riot to do all these things because I love League most and want to be able to do these things in League. I don't mean to downplay the effort that new content takes to create at all.
EDIT: wait, can't put SMNC as a competitor without sighing at how much of a joke that is. So sad.
Yeah, I'd love to see little things like that too. There are all these little tiny elements that different games have gotten right that I'd like to see incorporated into league. League has done the best job out of them all, imo, but it's the little nuances in details that the other games have that are what create some really fun moments.
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There's a lot about the DOTA client itself that is worlds better than League's.
i started up a ranked game and yeah wooo got a message that i couldn't connect past the firewall or something so i had to end up restarting my computer and the modem. was not looking forward to diving back into that game even though everyone seemed pretty awesome at the selection screen. so I come back in, the score isn't bad, i think it's like 3 to 4 in kills and farm looks to be in the enemy team's favor slightly, so they all tell me to just go farm and are totally awesome, my team gets a string of double kills as soon as I log back in, and they feed me jungle minions and lane minions to get me back up. I'm playing swain and I end the game 12-2-12 and we just roll them. End score was 58 to 24. I ended up with more cs than their poor mid.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
I completely agree with this.
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People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this.
In this context, that MOBA noob is a friend asking for help on getting better. Who turns down that request from a friend? If you're so focused on winning that you can't even play a Normal Game with a friend because you might lose, how can you possibly even enjoy the game? (I'm using the general "you" here, not calling you out specifically)
I can understand not wanting to have to carry every game, but not playing with friends because you think they're too terrible to play with seems .... patently unfriendly.
Teaching the game helps you get better at the game too. Learning how to win despite having someone else fed on the opposing team, or having to carry people way below your MMR will pay huge dividends in your ranked games. Winning from behind is one of the harder skills to practice for in league, and being able to do it in a game with a supportive friend allows you to think critically about the game rather than purely emotionally.
I can see not wanting to play with a friend who is worse than you even if they are willing to improve. A lot of times it can be exhausting, win or lose.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
I find the whole "who cares, it's a game! Go nuts, worlulululu" excuse ridiculously obnoxious wherever it pops up. Yeah, it's a game, but there's very little in the world that is life and death important. Losing nonstop in anything is demoralizing and not fun, whether it's League of Legends or Little League. There's ways to work around it, but not wanting to lose is not some mortal sin.
I mean, where else can you go on-hit Heimerdinger and be an OP as fuck death monster. That was an 11 minute game.
i had this 1:15 game on SR that i started supportadinger, changed into ap bastard heimer, then ended up building a lichbane and brought out the wrenches of dooooomm. so, it is possible. i guess.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
I find the whole "who cares, it's a game! Go nuts, worlulululu" excuse ridiculously obnoxious wherever it pops up. Yeah, it's a game, but there's very little in the world that is life and death important. Losing nonstop in anything is demoralizing and not fun, whether it's League of Legends or Little League. There's ways to work around it, but not wanting to lose is not some mortal sin.
Except that's not what people are saying. In fact I'll happily admit that if I'm on a losing streak I'll stop playing.
What people are saying is that anyone who puts that desire to win above playing with their friends is being a tad goosey.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
Creating a smurf is not being an asshole. Its bad for the other team since you're hiding your true MMR, but its good for the person you're playing with because otherwise they're probably going to get matched up against someone who is a lot better than them. Its hard to learn when you're getting stomped on because you don't know what isn't a good play because you're so far behind and what isn't a good play because it was generally a bad idea. In addition its harder to learn if you're not having fun because you're getting stomped on.
Matchmade games with people of large skill differences end up being problematic because there are no real good options for the matchmaker. If they go with average MMR then you get two lanes which are stomps in opposite directions. If you go with matching individual MMR then you probably still have two lanes which are stomps but they're even bigger (since the probability that both good people go to the same lane is low)
I can see not wanting to play with a friend who is worse than you even if they are willing to improve. A lot of times it can be exhausting, win or lose.
I can see taking a break. Having to carry every game can be exhausting, and even I want some quiet time to myself to grind out a couple ranked games alone every now and then. Even so, I would never tell anyone that they can't play with me until they get better. That's a dick move no matter how you slice it.
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Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
I find the whole "who cares, it's a game! Go nuts, worlulululu" excuse ridiculously obnoxious wherever it pops up. Yeah, it's a game, but there's very little in the world that is life and death important. Losing nonstop in anything is demoralizing and not fun, whether it's League of Legends or Little League. There's ways to work around it, but not wanting to lose is not some mortal sin.
Except I totally didn't say that.
But enough people here have also said exactly what I was saying many different ways now so I don't think I have much more to add or know how to say it in any more clear ways. So read the rest of this page as it covers my message pretty darn well.
Remember when I was smurfing with you and we were playing against Talon/Malphite bottom lane and I 1v2 double killed them basically without you at level 2-3? Its basically like that.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
I find the whole "who cares, it's a game! Go nuts, worlulululu" excuse ridiculously obnoxious wherever it pops up. Yeah, it's a game, but there's very little in the world that is life and death important. Losing nonstop in anything is demoralizing and not fun, whether it's League of Legends or Little League. There's ways to work around it, but not wanting to lose is not some mortal sin.
And this is what ranked is for.
If people aren't competitive enough to be all srs tryhard in normals but not enough to want to do ranked because 'reason' then I dunno. I think it's time they played a different game. Like 'taste the magic under the sink'. Then everyone wins. The person gets a game they can't lose at and other people can have fun in the mode of the game that is meant to not be all serious business. If someone gets all bent out of shape for losing normals then they are both playing the game 'wrong' in that they apparently aren't even having fun playing it, and they maybe should seek counseling from a professional. Because letting a game effect you that much is frankly unhealthy and should be looked at immediately.
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
I find the whole "who cares, it's a game! Go nuts, worlulululu" excuse ridiculously obnoxious wherever it pops up. Yeah, it's a game, but there's very little in the world that is life and death important. Losing nonstop in anything is demoralizing and not fun, whether it's League of Legends or Little League. There's ways to work around it, but not wanting to lose is not some mortal sin.
There is a vast gulf between taking a break after losing a couple a games and telling someone you don't want to play with them until they learn to not suck.
Also, I'd like to point out that some of the most interesting stuff happens when playing with relatively new players.
Last time I played with a uni friend (who since chose a game with a nicer community) and we wound up Jarvan IV/Leona(me) botlane vs MF/Bear.
The lane was like a mental game for me of when to go in. When had bear blown cooldowns, is MF far enough from her bear for us to kill her? Is bear likely to kill us?
It was like dodge the bear and great fun. Especially to hear his reactions from doing well in what he thought was going to be a daunting prospect (playing with 30's).
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Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
To be fair though the reason I (and most people I know) create a smurf to play with new friends has nothing to do with fear of losing and everything to do with not wanting my lvl 30 account to bring other lvl 30s into the game where my friends are just learning how to play. It's about easing them into the game. It's why I don't play seriously on my smurf in those situations either, it's because I also don't want to just stomp the enemy and ruin their fun. I spend most of my time offering suggestions and answering questions for my friend and very little time actually doing anything constructive on my own champ.
That's fine honestly to me. I just don't really agree with smurfs in general because aside from easing someone in there's more or less no good reasons to do it and even then it's kinda hard to blur the line between when you should start playing with your 'proper' account.
Really there should just be a mastery/rune disabled option for custom games or something. That would help.
I made a smurf account because I found a name I thought was really cool. I played a game and got crushed. I felt awful. I'm very bad at this game and I've been playing for three years.
PSN: Reaper_Stragint, Steam: DoublePitstoChesty
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Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
I find the whole "who cares, it's a game! Go nuts, worlulululu" excuse ridiculously obnoxious wherever it pops up. Yeah, it's a game, but there's very little in the world that is life and death important. Losing nonstop in anything is demoralizing and not fun, whether it's League of Legends or Little League. There's ways to work around it, but not wanting to lose is not some mortal sin.
There is a vast gulf between taking a break after losing a couple a games and telling someone you don't want to play with them until they learn to not suck.
And I said they should've created smurfs to teach him and get him up to speed, but apparently that's being an asshole in five other ways.
I can see not wanting to play with a friend who is worse than you even if they are willing to improve. A lot of times it can be exhausting, win or lose.
I can see taking a break. Having to carry every game can be exhausting, and even I want some quiet time to myself to grind out a couple ranked games alone every now and then. Even so, I would never tell anyone that they can't play with me until they get better. That's a dick move no matter how you slice it.
Is it just dickish because they said the reason aloud? I have real life friends who I simply don't play with because the skill gap is too large and the games aren't fun because of it. Sure, they may have phrased it harshly, but it's pretty much the same thing.
I can see not wanting to play with a friend who is worse than you even if they are willing to improve. A lot of times it can be exhausting, win or lose.
I can see taking a break. Having to carry every game can be exhausting, and even I want some quiet time to myself to grind out a couple ranked games alone every now and then. Even so, I would never tell anyone that they can't play with me until they get better. That's a dick move no matter how you slice it.
Is it just dickish because they said the reason aloud? I have real life friends who I simply don't play with because the skill gap is too large and the games aren't fun because of it. Sure, they may have phrased it harshly, but it's pretty much the same thing.
I'm gold 5 and you're diamond 5 and yet you play with me :P. You've never said anything like that to me. Even my real life friends, some of whom are very bad at the game, I'd be more than happy to play arams with to help teach them. You're under no obligation to play with anyone, obviously, but I guess I took offense to the tone and the idea that Darkewolfe isn't worthy of his friends time until he learns to play better. It's one thing to say, "I'd prefer not to play normals, because the games will be too hard for you to learn in. Would you like to do bot games or arams instead?" versus "We don't want to teach you, come back when you aren't terrible."
Those are very different things to me - though I can see how they might not be that different other people.
Random question; what's the reason Viktor doesn't get played that often? I've been playing around with him during his free week and his kit actually seems solid.
Is it just because he's forced into having a relatively weak sixth item?
Heh. Just had a discussion with my two main RL friends who historically played this with me. I guess it was an intervention. "Guys, why won't you play with me?" "Because we don't want to teach you. We'll play with you if you get good, but we aren't interested in losing games while you get up to speed."
I think this is the ONLY game where I've ever encountered that kind of response from friends. I guess it's just the idea they have, which is mostly true, that at minute 8 based on how poorly I'm doing they can see whether they're going to spend the next 12 minutes just waiting to surrender.
Anyway, looking for more friends I guess.
The worst friends.
They care about winning that badly in normal games? Wut?
Man I play with people sub lvl 10 in normal games because idgaf.
People need to learn how to chill and just have fun playing the game.
Like... if the actual mechanics of the game aren't enough to allow you to have fun... why are you playing?
This means that, once you are being matched properly, you would be having fun during only 50% of your time playing the game... da fuq is the point?
Like I understand not wanting to lose ranked games for no reason by duoing with someone below you in skill but.... normals yo... normals. There's something you can learn from EVERY game. No matter how wacky there are things you can work on and improve for when you do wanna play all srs.
Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
I find the whole "who cares, it's a game! Go nuts, worlulululu" excuse ridiculously obnoxious wherever it pops up. Yeah, it's a game, but there's very little in the world that is life and death important. Losing nonstop in anything is demoralizing and not fun, whether it's League of Legends or Little League. There's ways to work around it, but not wanting to lose is not some mortal sin.
There is a vast gulf between taking a break after losing a couple a games and telling someone you don't want to play with them until they learn to not suck.
And I said they should've created smurfs to teach him and get him up to speed, but apparently that's being an asshole in five other ways.
You did, but read what you wrote before that. I don't think this discussion is really going anywhere, and I am not sure what the source of the hostility in the first post originated from, but perhaps it's best if we drop this? I didn't mean to insult you personally, and if I did, I apologize.
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Since you were so supportive to me, I decided to be super supportive to my team. And by supportive I mean ADC Sona because my Ashe couldn't quite get there. (Let her have all the CS and backed off kills as much as I could, but she was just having trouble getting into position that game, which we all said was fine.)
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Or you could get out of your head for two seconds, and pretend you're not the reincarnation of Buddha himself. Not everyone plays ranked because just that word can bring the worst out of people you get matched up with. People solo queue normals too, and losing a few dozen games teaching a complete MOBA noob to play means needing twice that amount of wins to climb back to a decent normal MMR where every single game isn't something stupid like this. Yeah there are idiots and trolls at all skill levels, but from anecdotal experience there are far more at the low end. What DarkWolfe's friends could've done is just create smurf accounts to teach him to play. People do that all the time.
He's not pretending he's the incarnation of Buddha. He's saying that anyone who genuinely doesn't play with friends because they're afraid of losing are tools.
Speaking as someone whose played with more than a few people as they're just starting off it's just asshole behaviour. As is creating a smurf for the purpose.
Wowee right for the personal attacks there, eh bro?
But like... if you are losing that many games just because of one bad friend (and you're going to be matched against worse people because they will have a lower MMR) then ehhhhhh your skill level wasn't that drastically higher than them. And the lower you go the easier it is to win games. I dunno... I'm just talking about enjoying playing the game here. Did I hit some nerve or something?
To be fair though the reason I (and most people I know) create a smurf to play with new friends has nothing to do with fear of losing and everything to do with not wanting my lvl 30 account to bring other lvl 30s into the game where my friends are just learning how to play. It's about easing them into the game. It's why I don't play seriously on my smurf in those situations either, it's because I also don't want to just stomp the enemy and ruin their fun. I spend most of my time offering suggestions and answering questions for my friend and very little time actually doing anything constructive on my own champ.
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Plus then you can refer yourself. Train up enough friends and you can earn a warwick skin. :P
That's fine honestly to me. I just don't really agree with smurfs in general because aside from easing someone in there's more or less no good reasons to do it and even then it's kinda hard to blur the line between when you should start playing with your 'proper' account.
Really there should just be a mastery/rune disabled option for custom games or something. That would help.
Ha very true, but I don't think I've ever actually referred anyone
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Yeah, I'd love to see little things like that too. There are all these little tiny elements that different games have gotten right that I'd like to see incorporated into league. League has done the best job out of them all, imo, but it's the little nuances in details that the other games have that are what create some really fun moments.
I'm also 100% on board with more voice acting in the game and one liners between rivals. I want to know that graves and tf are enemies, not have to read some lore about it. If they're both in the game there needs to be some banter between them that flushes out the characters and gives them personality.
Also Bastion Announcer. SERIOUSLY.
My rule of thumb is that I start playing on my main account when they hit 20, by then they know enough about the game that the increased difficulty is something they can learn from and not just be frustrated by.
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There's a lot about the DOTA client itself that is worlds better than League's.
I completely agree with this.
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In this context, that MOBA noob is a friend asking for help on getting better. Who turns down that request from a friend? If you're so focused on winning that you can't even play a Normal Game with a friend because you might lose, how can you possibly even enjoy the game? (I'm using the general "you" here, not calling you out specifically)
I can understand not wanting to have to carry every game, but not playing with friends because you think they're too terrible to play with seems .... patently unfriendly.
It's like playing a border collie simulator.
GO MY FLUFFY MINIONS. GO FORTH AND SLAY WITH THAT GOLD ADVANTAGE I GOT YOU.
As someone who might start trying to get a bronze rank in a couple weeks or so, this doesn't sound the least bit hilarious to me.
It sounds pretty terrible to have to go up against a gold-ranked player faking bronze for the lulz.
I find the whole "who cares, it's a game! Go nuts, worlulululu" excuse ridiculously obnoxious wherever it pops up. Yeah, it's a game, but there's very little in the world that is life and death important. Losing nonstop in anything is demoralizing and not fun, whether it's League of Legends or Little League. There's ways to work around it, but not wanting to lose is not some mortal sin.
i had this 1:15 game on SR that i started supportadinger, changed into ap bastard heimer, then ended up building a lichbane and brought out the wrenches of dooooomm. so, it is possible. i guess.
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Except that's not what people are saying. In fact I'll happily admit that if I'm on a losing streak I'll stop playing.
What people are saying is that anyone who puts that desire to win above playing with their friends is being a tad goosey.
Creating a smurf is not being an asshole. Its bad for the other team since you're hiding your true MMR, but its good for the person you're playing with because otherwise they're probably going to get matched up against someone who is a lot better than them. Its hard to learn when you're getting stomped on because you don't know what isn't a good play because you're so far behind and what isn't a good play because it was generally a bad idea. In addition its harder to learn if you're not having fun because you're getting stomped on.
Matchmade games with people of large skill differences end up being problematic because there are no real good options for the matchmaker. If they go with average MMR then you get two lanes which are stomps in opposite directions. If you go with matching individual MMR then you probably still have two lanes which are stomps but they're even bigger (since the probability that both good people go to the same lane is low)
I can see taking a break. Having to carry every game can be exhausting, and even I want some quiet time to myself to grind out a couple ranked games alone every now and then. Even so, I would never tell anyone that they can't play with me until they get better. That's a dick move no matter how you slice it.
Except I totally didn't say that.
But enough people here have also said exactly what I was saying many different ways now so I don't think I have much more to add or know how to say it in any more clear ways. So read the rest of this page as it covers my message pretty darn well.
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Remember when I was smurfing with you and we were playing against Talon/Malphite bottom lane and I 1v2 double killed them basically without you at level 2-3? Its basically like that.
And this is what ranked is for.
If people aren't competitive enough to be all srs tryhard in normals but not enough to want to do ranked because 'reason' then I dunno. I think it's time they played a different game. Like 'taste the magic under the sink'. Then everyone wins. The person gets a game they can't lose at and other people can have fun in the mode of the game that is meant to not be all serious business. If someone gets all bent out of shape for losing normals then they are both playing the game 'wrong' in that they apparently aren't even having fun playing it, and they maybe should seek counseling from a professional. Because letting a game effect you that much is frankly unhealthy and should be looked at immediately.
There is a vast gulf between taking a break after losing a couple a games and telling someone you don't want to play with them until they learn to not suck.
Last time I played with a uni friend (who since chose a game with a nicer community) and we wound up Jarvan IV/Leona(me) botlane vs MF/Bear.
The lane was like a mental game for me of when to go in. When had bear blown cooldowns, is MF far enough from her bear for us to kill her? Is bear likely to kill us?
It was like dodge the bear and great fun. Especially to hear his reactions from doing well in what he thought was going to be a daunting prospect (playing with 30's).
I made a smurf account because I found a name I thought was really cool. I played a game and got crushed. I felt awful. I'm very bad at this game and I've been playing for three years.
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And I said they should've created smurfs to teach him and get him up to speed, but apparently that's being an asshole in five other ways.
Is it just dickish because they said the reason aloud? I have real life friends who I simply don't play with because the skill gap is too large and the games aren't fun because of it. Sure, they may have phrased it harshly, but it's pretty much the same thing.
I'm gold 5 and you're diamond 5 and yet you play with me :P. You've never said anything like that to me. Even my real life friends, some of whom are very bad at the game, I'd be more than happy to play arams with to help teach them. You're under no obligation to play with anyone, obviously, but I guess I took offense to the tone and the idea that Darkewolfe isn't worthy of his friends time until he learns to play better. It's one thing to say, "I'd prefer not to play normals, because the games will be too hard for you to learn in. Would you like to do bot games or arams instead?" versus "We don't want to teach you, come back when you aren't terrible."
Those are very different things to me - though I can see how they might not be that different other people.
Is it just because he's forced into having a relatively weak sixth item?
You did, but read what you wrote before that. I don't think this discussion is really going anywhere, and I am not sure what the source of the hostility in the first post originated from, but perhaps it's best if we drop this? I didn't mean to insult you personally, and if I did, I apologize.