If you don't feed you'll never learn how not to feed. That might sound kind of odd at first but getting your ass kicked is a fantastic way to learn so long as you actually have the willingness to learn why something didn't work instead of just trying it over and over until it works and then claim it works because that one time I did something really good!
bitching about autolock and noobs in team chat before a round?
I don't know what autolock is, guys. I'm lvl12 - this is noob land.
Get fucked with your smurf accounts if that's how you're going to behave!
"We can win this, just don't feed"
Grreat, inspirational.
fffffffuuuuuuuu
Whelp apparently I am an asshole. botlane were both 0/5/0 and I had been down there 4-5 times as kha'zix and killed their lane. They die again after being caught with no wards and I type 'bot lane please! :P' and apparently I am raging.
Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
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What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
The Dominion trailer was accidentally shown by the Brazilian stream of a LoL tournament at one point, it wasn't connected to the launch of anything. It's unfinished; which is why it still uses in-game sound effects, and wasn't ever promoted on the LoL site.
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StragintDo Not GiftAlways DeclinesRegistered Userregular
edited June 2013
Just had a normal game. I call mid and a dude argues that he called it and someone else copy and pastes the chat to show I got it. Dude picks mid Lee Sin anyway. Game starts, I'm at the river bushes near mid to check for ganks on our jungle Amumu. Their entire team comes. I run to the tower and ping Amumu and tell them the enemy team is invading. They (by they I mean Cait and Amumu) stay at blue and start fighting it when it spawns and the enemy team gets two kills and blue. Some how this is my fault and I'm a troll and bot has no support. Top, jungle and the ADC quit the game.
I'm left with a Lee Sin that constantly calls me a troll in a 2v5. It was glorious.
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What is the point of being alive if you don't at least try to do something remarkable? ~ Mario Novak
I never fear death or dyin', I only fear never trying.
Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
He's not saying that Malz can't farm (I think?), rather that Malz's non-ult spells have a long CD. I'd disagree with that; Malz's problems are that his ult forces him to stand still when he normally builds squishy, and - more seriously - that Syndra does pretty much everything he does better than him, while also having more utility.
AOE damage? Syndra deals hers faster. AOE CC? Syndra's stun is (in most situations) stronger than Malz's silence. Single target ult? Syndra's deals hers out instantly. If Malz lands his full QWER combo on a single target then they're almost certainly dead, but the same is true of Syndra as well... and hers is much easier to get off fully.
The only advantages that Malz has over Syndra are being able to farm from the other side of the map, and his AOE damage being %HP; but that's not great considering his W is damage over time and (aside from his ult) he's got no way to force people to stay inside it.
Just had a guy freak out at me for being bad at a random character in ARAM. I apologized for being worse than him at ARAM, and he was polite enough to inform me that he was "also way better at ranked than me, because I'm not even Gold lol." I love the internet.
Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
This is dumb. I've done amazingly well with Malz against Lux and Syndra in ranked. Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
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Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
There are too many junglers these days that can bypass wards completely. Not having any form of escape or mobility is kind of a problem in a solo lane.
Source: http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=38302893#post38302893
Because Xerath players have expressed significant interest in fewer spells, which hit harder, we've eliminated the CDR / Doublecast passive and replaced it with a new passive which grants significant amounts of % spell penetration, which scales with your maximum mana pool.
Similarly, I have removed the 2nd ammo charge from Xerath's W (Arcane Barrage) and instead dramatically increased its damage and AP ratio. I moved the power off of his base W ability and instead dramatically increased the radius and damage of his AoE explosive attacks during his ultimate.
Because of how overwhelmingly consistent the perception of Xerath was as a long-range mage, we've decided to push this factor to the extreme. Xerath now gains +600, +1000 and +2000 range to all of his spells during Locus of Power. (Numbers subject to change before launch). However, this power comes at a price - Locus of Power drains mana per second while active and has an ultimate level cooldown, but in an unusual act of buffery, Morello insisted that we make all spells cast during Locus of Power completely free. This means that your time in Locus of Power is all about deciding which attack will provide the most value to your team, not which spell will force you out of mana fastest.
Due to the overwhelmingly positive response to the new Xerath VFX, we've started the engines and all of Xerath's spells will be getting replaced with new, updated visuals. We've even toned back the "glitter" a few players commented on in the feedback and made sure to make Xerath's visuals more powerful and brutal.
As you can imagine, all of this feedback has taken a lot of time and energy to process, but we're going to do our best to deliver on the long-range, sniper artillery mage that so many hardcore players insisted we pursue. Now, naturally there were some players who were concerned about a rework, some players who loved him exactly as he is now. However, the majority of players who were concerned, expressed concerns about his power level.
Now, I won't promise everything we do will be exactly what you want. I can't do that. However, what I will promise is that I'll do everything in my power to bring together a cohesive theme that turns Xerath into a powerful contender in the league of legends.
Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
This is dumb. I've done amazingly well with Malz against Lux and Syndra. Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
if wards were a 100% deterrent to jungler ganks then junglers would never kill anyone at all and pros would forgoe the role.
That does not happen.
clearly people can bypass wards.
the fact that you stomped some shmucks in soloQ does not provide sufficient evidence for malz's viability, particularly his late game team fight utility.
To be fair, in tournaments, lately junglers have pretty much been relegated to helping hold 2v1 lanes because of the huge spike in lane swaps that have been happening lately.
Half the time its almost like the old 2-2-1! Ahh, memories.
Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
This is dumb. I've done amazingly well with Malz against Lux and Syndra. Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
if wards were a 100% deterrent to jungler ganks then junglers would never kill anyone at all and pros would forgoe the role.
That does not happen.
clearly people can bypass wards.
the fact that you stomped some shmucks in soloQ does not provide sufficient evidence for malz's viability, particularly his late game team fight utility.
Actually the very fact that he took a champ into ranked, and performed well actually does mean it's viable. Regardless of your opinion on the matter.
It is for this reason that arguing whether or not a champion is viable is a pointless endeavor. The game is not so unbalanced that champions are not actually viable. The ONLY place where the level of player skill reaches a point that the small imbalances between champions is relevant is in the pro tournaments, and that's only because those imbalances get magnified on that level of play.
And we don't play there, so it really doesn't matter what champion you pick, so long as you can do well with them. They are all absolutely "viable". There is absolutely no reason to try and dissuade someone from playing a champ they enjoy and can do well with just because you are under some misguided perception that the champion should not perform well.
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Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
This is dumb. I've done amazingly well with Malz against Lux and Syndra. Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
if wards were a 100% deterrent to jungler ganks then junglers would never kill anyone at all and pros would forgoe the role.
That does not happen.
clearly people can bypass wards.
the fact that you stomped some shmucks in soloQ does not provide sufficient evidence for malz's viability, particularly his late game team fight utility.
Actually the very fact that he took a champ into ranked, and performed well actually does mean it's viable. Regardless of your opinion on the matter.
It is for this reason that arguing whether or not a champion is viable is a pointless endeavor. The game is not so unbalanced that champions are not actually viable. The ONLY place where the level of player skill reaches a point that the small imbalances between champions is relevant is in the pro tournaments, and that's only because those imbalances get magnified on that level of play.
And we don't play there, so it really doesn't matter what champion you pick, so long as you can do well with them. They are all absolutely "viable". There is absolutely no reason to try and dissuade someone from playing a champ they enjoy and can do well with just because you are under some misguided perception that the champion should not perform well.
yaaay hippy response.
ofc all champs are viable.
viable doesn't equate to very good, sadly.
Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
This is dumb. I've done amazingly well with Malz against Lux and Syndra. Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
if wards were a 100% deterrent to jungler ganks then junglers would never kill anyone at all and pros would forgoe the role.
That does not happen.
clearly people can bypass wards.
the fact that you stomped some shmucks in soloQ does not provide sufficient evidence for malz's viability, particularly his late game team fight utility.
Actually the very fact that he took a champ into ranked, and performed well actually does mean it's viable. Regardless of your opinion on the matter.
It is for this reason that arguing whether or not a champion is viable is a pointless endeavor. The game is not so unbalanced that champions are not actually viable. The ONLY place where the level of player skill reaches a point that the small imbalances between champions is relevant is in the pro tournaments, and that's only because those imbalances get magnified on that level of play.
And we don't play there, so it really doesn't matter what champion you pick, so long as you can do well with them. They are all absolutely "viable". There is absolutely no reason to try and dissuade someone from playing a champ they enjoy and can do well with just because you are under some misguided perception that the champion should not perform well.
yaaay hippy response.
ofc all champs are viable.
viable doesn't equate to very good, sadly.
A minor league team doesn't care if you're using a wooden or metal bat, because you're a shitty baseball player regardless.
its a thing in professional sports though.
Similarly, if I'm a gold and you're a silver in terms of skill, I will still stomp you with Xerath or Sion or whoever is considered super shitty, because I'm just a better player then you are so the champion doesn't matter.
Unless you're diamond I or challenger tier, champ select doesn't actually matter. because you're so bad that any super good or bad points of a champ are largely irrelevant. I mean the change of 1s on a single skill will often move a champ from tournament viable to never used. To 99.9% of the playerbase they won't even notice or give a damn, though.
You people are talking past eachother and it's really silly.
The conversation went like this:
why is X not played at high levels anymore?
Because Y and Z
well I play X at my level and Y and Z don't effect me
That doesn't make X good at high level
Yeah well X doing well that that level means X is still good.
You're both talking with different definitions of what viable is. In the Cat's case he's talking about viable for high level/tournament play and in Delph's case it's 'can you play this without being laughed at' (of which probably only Poppy is at currently).
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BethrynUnhappiness is MandatoryRegistered Userregular
Again, I say, BotrK Poppy is hidden OP.
If you're not brave enough to run her top, put her in a farm lane down bot with Soraka or Janna, and see what comes!
Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
This is dumb. I've done amazingly well with Malz against Lux and Syndra. Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
if wards were a 100% deterrent to jungler ganks then junglers would never kill anyone at all and pros would forgoe the role.
That does not happen.
clearly people can bypass wards.
the fact that you stomped some shmucks in soloQ does not provide sufficient evidence for malz's viability, particularly his late game team fight utility.
Actually the very fact that he took a champ into ranked, and performed well actually does mean it's viable. Regardless of your opinion on the matter.
It is for this reason that arguing whether or not a champion is viable is a pointless endeavor. The game is not so unbalanced that champions are not actually viable. The ONLY place where the level of player skill reaches a point that the small imbalances between champions is relevant is in the pro tournaments, and that's only because those imbalances get magnified on that level of play.
And we don't play there, so it really doesn't matter what champion you pick, so long as you can do well with them. They are all absolutely "viable". There is absolutely no reason to try and dissuade someone from playing a champ they enjoy and can do well with just because you are under some misguided perception that the champion should not perform well.
yaaay hippy response.
ofc all champs are viable.
viable doesn't equate to very good, sadly.
Your concept of "Very good" is purely subjective at best and questionable at worst. How "good" a champion is, is based mostly on the player itself. If a player can take a champion that you view as "bad" or just "not very good" and do very well with them then your viewpoint is meaningless. At best you can say that you personally may not be good with a particular champion, but trying to convince others, especially those who do actually do well with said champs, that their champion is not "very good" is a pointless thing to do. As is trying to convince people not to play certain champs, because they may actually end up being quite good with those champs.
It has nothing to do with being a "hippy", which is an absurd statement to make, and everything to do with understanding that people play with a wide variety of styles and perform better or worse with different champions that may or may not fit their style.
With respect Albino the first complaint was why Burnage didn't see Viktor played more often. There wasn't any mention of Viktor being played at high levels, just a query into why he didn't see more Viktor.
The only thing that brought in high level play was when I needed a name to post mentioned that there was a reason you don't see certain champs in LCS. Evilthecat's response made no mention of high level play nor did he/she quote such a reference. he/she did include viktor in the example though as well as a few others that were brought up in response to the original viktor post, which makes it pretty safe to assume it was in response to burnage. (this is why it's important to quote the people you are responding to!)
You could very well be correct, but unfortunately evilthecat has posted nothing that really backs up that assertion.
In either case though, just because a champion is not played at a high level, does not mean they are not good. It just means that they are not as safe a pick, or they do not fit as well with what the teams are trying to do in the meta. Good/bad are such broad terms as to be pretty much meaningless in the context of this game. Discussion should really be about the strengths and weakness each champ bring to the table and the situations in which you would or would not take them based on that.
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Today's mid champs need to be able to farm and harass with ONE ability.
Syndra's Q, Ori's Q, Lux's E, Zed's Q/E (lol), Khaz's E, they're all abilities that do amazing damage, are on a low cd and also have aoe properties.
Annie, for example, can either try farm with a long cd aoe spell or harass you with a single target spell. She cannot have both.
Viktor's E is finicky to use and his Q isn't aoe.
Brand's E fits the type casting, but his CDs are all a bit too long making him stand around alot doing nothing in team fights.
Malz is similar to Annie, aoe spell has a long cd and isn't very practical. Plus missing with it puts you at a severe disadvantage.
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
This is dumb. I've done amazingly well with Malz against Lux and Syndra. Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
if wards were a 100% deterrent to jungler ganks then junglers would never kill anyone at all and pros would forgoe the role.
That does not happen.
clearly people can bypass wards.
the fact that you stomped some shmucks in soloQ does not provide sufficient evidence for malz's viability, particularly his late game team fight utility.
Actually the very fact that he took a champ into ranked, and performed well actually does mean it's viable. Regardless of your opinion on the matter.
It is for this reason that arguing whether or not a champion is viable is a pointless endeavor. The game is not so unbalanced that champions are not actually viable. The ONLY place where the level of player skill reaches a point that the small imbalances between champions is relevant is in the pro tournaments, and that's only because those imbalances get magnified on that level of play.
And we don't play there, so it really doesn't matter what champion you pick, so long as you can do well with them. They are all absolutely "viable". There is absolutely no reason to try and dissuade someone from playing a champ they enjoy and can do well with just because you are under some misguided perception that the champion should not perform well.
yaaay hippy response.
ofc all champs are viable.
viable doesn't equate to very good, sadly.
Your concept of "Very good" is purely subjective at best and questionable at worst. How "good" a champion is, is based mostly on the player itself. If a player can take a champion that you view as "bad" or just "not very good" and do very well with them then your viewpoint is meaningless. At best you can say that you personally may not be good with a particular champion, but trying to convince others, especially those who do actually do well with said champs, that their champion is not "very good" is a pointless thing to do. As is trying to convince people not to play certain champs, because they may actually end up being quite good with those champs.
It has nothing to do with being a "hippy", which is an absurd statement to make, and everything to do with understanding that people play with a wide variety of styles and perform better or worse with different champions that may or may not fit their style.
With respect Albino the first complaint was why Burnage didn't see Viktor played more often. There wasn't any mention of Viktor being played at high levels, just a query into why he didn't see more Viktor.
The only thing that brought in high level play was when I needed a name to post mentioned that there was a reason you don't see certain champs in LCS. Evilthecat's response made no mention of high level play nor did he/she quote such a reference. he/she did include viktor in the example though as well as a few others that were brought up in response to the original viktor post, which makes it pretty safe to assume it was in response to burnage. (this is why it's important to quote the people you are responding to!)
You could very well be correct, but unfortunately evilthecat has posted nothing that really backs up that assertion.
In either case though, just because a champion is not played at a high level, does not mean they are not good. It just means that they are not as safe a pick, or they do not fit as well with what the teams are trying to do in the meta. Good/bad are such broad terms as to be pretty much meaningless in the context of this game. Discussion should really be about the strengths and weakness each champ bring to the table and the situations in which you would or would not take them based on that.
What? Your first point is simply absurd. Just because someone can do well with a bad champion doesn't make the champion not bad. It maybe difficult to judge which champions are bad, especially since champions are stronger or weaker in different situations, but you can't say that success with a champion determines that champion's objective power level. The corollary to that is that doing poorly with a strong champion means they're actually weak, and that's just as absurd.
as opposed to how he is now? not seeing much of a change...
But with those current changes, you can do some RoA spam and use your ult forever!!!!!!
Also, I like the idea of giving his spells super range, I always felt silly during his Locus of Power that most people can still reach you unless you use your ult.
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I remember that trailer. Didn't they use it to promote the release of the Brazil server?
That never gets old. poor me as cass couldn't get within 1200 range of her. Nobody else seemed terribly interested in ending her reign of terror.
Whelp apparently I am an asshole. botlane were both 0/5/0 and I had been down there 4-5 times as kha'zix and killed their lane. They die again after being caught with no wards and I type 'bot lane please! :P' and apparently I am raging.
I've never seen it, thanks for sharing!
It is like a love story to Demacia (and Jarvan).
Ms Fortune has a scary face
DUUUUUUUUUUUMB.
Malz can farm no problem with space aids.
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I'm left with a Lee Sin that constantly calls me a troll in a 2v5. It was glorious.
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brought out jungle Jarvan and ended up vs jungle Xin
Both with the ROT3K skins
Ultimate grudge match of ultimate destiny
(ended 8/3/14)
Last two games? 19/4/5 Twitch and 12/2/16 Shen (hello team not listening to retreat pings). Both horrible losses.
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And yes, the cinematic is certainly taxed to contain Ms. Fortune's scowl.
I finally won one bringing out the all-star Akali skin.
+2 LP.
Please kill me.
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At least I had 401 CS in a 46min game. Farming Shyv is strong.
Sold a Wriggles for BotRK late game and bought a few Oracles once late-game happened.
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tanky annie on dominion is a fucking monster
I forget who plays it on PECS but its evil
He's not saying that Malz can't farm (I think?), rather that Malz's non-ult spells have a long CD. I'd disagree with that; Malz's problems are that his ult forces him to stand still when he normally builds squishy, and - more seriously - that Syndra does pretty much everything he does better than him, while also having more utility.
AOE damage? Syndra deals hers faster. AOE CC? Syndra's stun is (in most situations) stronger than Malz's silence. Single target ult? Syndra's deals hers out instantly. If Malz lands his full QWER combo on a single target then they're almost certainly dead, but the same is true of Syndra as well... and hers is much easier to get off fully.
The only advantages that Malz has over Syndra are being able to farm from the other side of the map, and his AOE damage being %HP; but that's not great considering his W is damage over time and (aside from his ult) he's got no way to force people to stay inside it.
You didn't read what I wrote, it seems.
Malz's E is in no way comparable to any of the other spells I listed. they all have larger aoe or shorter cd, increasing your damage output or clearing capacity.
If you level his q first then ok, you now have respectable aoe with cc .. but it isn't very aim friendly due to the way minions stack in lane.
His ult cannot clear ala lux, and it does not kill as efficiently as any of the the other picks I mentioned as it CCs malz himself.
Or, you know, mercurial sash. There goes your duelling ability.
Sure, malz is great in soloQ against newbies.
Against a team that has a jungler with half a brain, you're going to get ganked, get behind, and then get solo'ed by whichever non-troll pick they sent mid.
This is dumb. I've done amazingly well with Malz against Lux and Syndra in ranked. Junglers were also never an issue cause I guess wards and stuff?
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There are too many junglers these days that can bypass wards completely. Not having any form of escape or mobility is kind of a problem in a solo lane.
Because Xerath players have expressed significant interest in fewer spells, which hit harder, we've eliminated the CDR / Doublecast passive and replaced it with a new passive which grants significant amounts of % spell penetration, which scales with your maximum mana pool.
Similarly, I have removed the 2nd ammo charge from Xerath's W (Arcane Barrage) and instead dramatically increased its damage and AP ratio. I moved the power off of his base W ability and instead dramatically increased the radius and damage of his AoE explosive attacks during his ultimate.
Because of how overwhelmingly consistent the perception of Xerath was as a long-range mage, we've decided to push this factor to the extreme. Xerath now gains +600, +1000 and +2000 range to all of his spells during Locus of Power. (Numbers subject to change before launch). However, this power comes at a price - Locus of Power drains mana per second while active and has an ultimate level cooldown, but in an unusual act of buffery, Morello insisted that we make all spells cast during Locus of Power completely free. This means that your time in Locus of Power is all about deciding which attack will provide the most value to your team, not which spell will force you out of mana fastest.
Due to the overwhelmingly positive response to the new Xerath VFX, we've started the engines and all of Xerath's spells will be getting replaced with new, updated visuals. We've even toned back the "glitter" a few players commented on in the feedback and made sure to make Xerath's visuals more powerful and brutal.
As you can imagine, all of this feedback has taken a lot of time and energy to process, but we're going to do our best to deliver on the long-range, sniper artillery mage that so many hardcore players insisted we pursue. Now, naturally there were some players who were concerned about a rework, some players who loved him exactly as he is now. However, the majority of players who were concerned, expressed concerns about his power level.
Now, I won't promise everything we do will be exactly what you want. I can't do that. However, what I will promise is that I'll do everything in my power to bring together a cohesive theme that turns Xerath into a powerful contender in the league of legends.
if wards were a 100% deterrent to jungler ganks then junglers would never kill anyone at all and pros would forgoe the role.
That does not happen.
clearly people can bypass wards.
the fact that you stomped some shmucks in soloQ does not provide sufficient evidence for malz's viability, particularly his late game team fight utility.
Half the time its almost like the old 2-2-1! Ahh, memories.
Actually the very fact that he took a champ into ranked, and performed well actually does mean it's viable. Regardless of your opinion on the matter.
It is for this reason that arguing whether or not a champion is viable is a pointless endeavor. The game is not so unbalanced that champions are not actually viable. The ONLY place where the level of player skill reaches a point that the small imbalances between champions is relevant is in the pro tournaments, and that's only because those imbalances get magnified on that level of play.
And we don't play there, so it really doesn't matter what champion you pick, so long as you can do well with them. They are all absolutely "viable". There is absolutely no reason to try and dissuade someone from playing a champ they enjoy and can do well with just because you are under some misguided perception that the champion should not perform well.
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yaaay hippy response.
ofc all champs are viable.
viable doesn't equate to very good, sadly.
A minor league team doesn't care if you're using a wooden or metal bat, because you're a shitty baseball player regardless.
its a thing in professional sports though.
Similarly, if I'm a gold and you're a silver in terms of skill, I will still stomp you with Xerath or Sion or whoever is considered super shitty, because I'm just a better player then you are so the champion doesn't matter.
Unless you're diamond I or challenger tier, champ select doesn't actually matter. because you're so bad that any super good or bad points of a champ are largely irrelevant. I mean the change of 1s on a single skill will often move a champ from tournament viable to never used. To 99.9% of the playerbase they won't even notice or give a damn, though.
The conversation went like this:
why is X not played at high levels anymore?
Because Y and Z
well I play X at my level and Y and Z don't effect me
That doesn't make X good at high level
Yeah well X doing well that that level means X is still good.
You're both talking with different definitions of what viable is. In the Cat's case he's talking about viable for high level/tournament play and in Delph's case it's 'can you play this without being laughed at' (of which probably only Poppy is at currently).
If you're not brave enough to run her top, put her in a farm lane down bot with Soraka or Janna, and see what comes!
2nding this.
Poppy is hidden god tier on aram.
as opposed to how he is now? not seeing much of a change...
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Your concept of "Very good" is purely subjective at best and questionable at worst. How "good" a champion is, is based mostly on the player itself. If a player can take a champion that you view as "bad" or just "not very good" and do very well with them then your viewpoint is meaningless. At best you can say that you personally may not be good with a particular champion, but trying to convince others, especially those who do actually do well with said champs, that their champion is not "very good" is a pointless thing to do. As is trying to convince people not to play certain champs, because they may actually end up being quite good with those champs.
It has nothing to do with being a "hippy", which is an absurd statement to make, and everything to do with understanding that people play with a wide variety of styles and perform better or worse with different champions that may or may not fit their style.
With respect Albino the first complaint was why Burnage didn't see Viktor played more often. There wasn't any mention of Viktor being played at high levels, just a query into why he didn't see more Viktor.
The only thing that brought in high level play was when I needed a name to post mentioned that there was a reason you don't see certain champs in LCS. Evilthecat's response made no mention of high level play nor did he/she quote such a reference. he/she did include viktor in the example though as well as a few others that were brought up in response to the original viktor post, which makes it pretty safe to assume it was in response to burnage. (this is why it's important to quote the people you are responding to!)
You could very well be correct, but unfortunately evilthecat has posted nothing that really backs up that assertion.
In either case though, just because a champion is not played at a high level, does not mean they are not good. It just means that they are not as safe a pick, or they do not fit as well with what the teams are trying to do in the meta. Good/bad are such broad terms as to be pretty much meaningless in the context of this game. Discussion should really be about the strengths and weakness each champ bring to the table and the situations in which you would or would not take them based on that.
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Vayne goes "need help bot, Ezreal too fed"
Ezreal has the one and only kill on the other team.
What? Your first point is simply absurd. Just because someone can do well with a bad champion doesn't make the champion not bad. It maybe difficult to judge which champions are bad, especially since champions are stronger or weaker in different situations, but you can't say that success with a champion determines that champion's objective power level. The corollary to that is that doing poorly with a strong champion means they're actually weak, and that's just as absurd.
But with those current changes, you can do some RoA spam and use your ult forever!!!!!!
Also, I like the idea of giving his spells super range, I always felt silly during his Locus of Power that most people can still reach you unless you use your ult.