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Strip Search - Elimination #7

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edited May 2013 in Strip Search

Strip Search - Elimination #7

As day 7 comes to a close another two Artists will face the Creators.

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  • hivrhivr Registered User new member
    thank you!

  • Spman2099Spman2099 Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Okay, so both contestants have just finished drawing their comics and both strips have been shown... I thought that it may be fun to give my review of both comics before Jerry and Mike have a chance to possibly influence my decision. So, the video is paused and I am going to give my impressions.

    I think Lexxy's strip is REALLY funny. Like the first comic, it looks great; however, this time it also has a stronger comedic punch. I really liked her first comic, and I don't think this one is necessarily better, but her initial offering wasn't funny in the same way. This one is more of a raucous laugh emitting, comedic style. Really great stuff.

    Monica's confuses me a little. I think she took a really silly premise and rooted the comic in a more dramatic setting. I feel like this is one many people aren't going to respond to... However, I found it kinda ballsy that she didn't go for something more jokey. That being said, I feel like it is possible that I missed something and there IS a funny joke there that I didn't pick up on. Despite not finding the comic funny, I still think it was pretty good.

    I would give the victory to Lexxy.

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  • Maz-Maz- 飛べ Registered User regular
    Aww, it sucks to see Monica leave. Still, Lexxy deserved to win that round.

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  • Angry_SamoanAngry_Samoan Now with 20% more mange... Registered User regular
    I knew I would be annoyed regardless of who was sent home, but I thought Monica's strip was a little better. Lexxy's strip was really good though.
    And Monica's counter-trolling was great. Loved it.
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  • RampachsRampachs Registered User regular
    The house must be getting quiet

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  • A Concerned CitizenA Concerned Citizen Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Both of those comics were really good, Lexxy's was hilarious, and Monica's was just hopeful and touching. I really wish everyone could stay at this point, though out of those left, I liked Tavis's comic the least. I really hope that everyone enjoys success from being on this show as they are all great and really talented. I was rooting for Lexxy at first, but really wanted Monica to win as well. Basically these eliminations are just getting harder to watch as I've really grown to enjoy all of the artists and I can only help that the exposure they get is enough for them to all fulfill their dreams.

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  • wn.mikewn.mike archi PTRegistered User regular
    This is the elimination that I rewinded the most, the way Monica handled herself in the room was, sadly, much better then her finished comic.
    I don't mean it was bad per se, I liked the art but I didn't find it particularly funny, Lexxy was a clear winner for me as well.
    Monica's comic had extra value by alleged autobiographical meaning, Lexxy was a straight shooter, used the concepts and used them well.

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  • Spman2099Spman2099 Registered User regular
    I am blown away by how good these comics have been as of late. I mean, the quality is just top-notch. I can't believe these people are able to produce comics this good in such a short time frame...

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  • Korbei83Korbei83 Registered User regular
    Hmmmm.

    I went in hoping for one result and came out hoping for the other.

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  • MekkaBMekkaB Registered User regular
    Team Lexx with the T-Rex!

    /yeah... that's all I've got. Sorry.

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  • wonkots42wonkots42 Registered User regular
    Interesting episode. Loved both the comics for different reasons, but Lexxy's comic fit much better with the kinds of comics they've chosen to win before.

    I have loved Monica throughout the show, and I felt strangely uncomfortable watching her reaction to Mike's heckling. At the beginning her reactions reminded me of how she kind of shut down in the interview episode, but then she seemed to realise that not speaking wasn't going to work and she went a bit OTT on the aggression. It seemed like a defence mechanism for sure, and maybe it was more funny and less uncomfortable in reality than on camera. Abby sassed them back too, but her sass was much more comfortable to watch.

    Still, <3 Monica. You didn't win, but at least you told Mike you wanted to fuck his mom. You should make a shirt with that speech bubble coming out of your cutout.

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  • DancingCaseyDancingCasey Registered User regular
    the room is so empty when she comes back :(

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  • LavidiusLavidius Registered User regular
    @wonkots42 Couldn't have said it better, I found her caustic facade a little off-putting as well and was hoping she would engage with them more.

    However, for trying to complete a comic of that scope, I can see why she opted for having more time to draw as opposed to banter. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's the most ambitious in scale since Ty's. As for the comic itself, I had a hard time parsing it on the first read-through and the fragmentary quality of the dream text bothered me, but the last panel is really beautiful and touching, and I LOVE how it has the two interpretations (waking from the dream of the safe choice or dreaming of waking from that life). If that was intentional, then honestly I think Monica should have won this elimination.

    Lexxy's comic was good but I liked it less than her first one, so I'm surprised that Mike and Jerry thought it was clearly better. However, I do think she's shown a degree of consistency that definitely redeems her and that other one-time Elimination veterans will have to show that they can beat. She's also great with the banter.

    Sad to see Monica go, but definitely looking forward to seeing how the next few episodes play out!

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  • astronautcowboy3astronautcowboy3 Registered User regular
    Man, watching Monica interact with Mike in today's episode was painful. I really wanted her to win, but a few times I also wanted to shake her and tell her to actually field some of his questions.

    I think I know what the problem was though. Monica hadn't "shit her pants" in two or three days' worth of shows, so she must have been super constipated.

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  • ahdokahdok Figment of your imagination Registered User regular
    Starting to watch now. COME ON MONICA.

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  • BuchoBucho One careful pwner Registered User regular
    - "Was it better than losing?"
    - "Uh ... yeeeeesssss?"
    - "I wouldn't know, I've only ever won."

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  • dejavu,againdejavu,again Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    As soon as I saw that Lexxy's comic was funny and Monica's wasn't, I knew what the result was. As we've seen thus far on the show, laughs seem to be the ultimate decider. Which isn't to say Monica's comic was bad; it was quite the opposite. In fact, I think the real reason they wouldn't destroy the comic is the same as it was the last time they made that decision- it's wonderful, in a word.

    Although I did have a bit of trouble with panel 5, since the response ("yea") is vertically higher than the question that prompts it ("don't worry" etc.)- and the question is entirely out of frame. I realize this is a limitation of the format of watching and not the comic (though maybe it shouldn't be setup like that? def. nonstandard), and appreciate that presenting an extra long strip presented a fairly unique editing challenge, but having read that far ahead before the pan started I became confused. I'd say all the problems with parsing the comic could be based on the format of presentation, if it wasn't for the fact that Mike had problems too.

    Lastly, was anyone else impressed/surprised by the sheer amount of content in Monica's strip? Holy CRAP that is a lot of output for 90 minutes, and without sacrificing the art quality.

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  • Spman2099Spman2099 Registered User regular
    Lavidius wrote: »
    @wonkots42 Couldn't have said it better, I found her caustic facade a little off-putting as well and was hoping she would engage with them more.

    However, for trying to complete a comic of that scope, I can see why she opted for having more time to draw as opposed to banter. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's the most ambitious in scale since Ty's. As for the comic itself, I had a hard time parsing it on the first read-through and the fragmentary quality of the dream text bothered me, but the last panel is really beautiful and touching, and I LOVE how it has the two interpretations (waking from the dream of the safe choice or dreaming of waking from that life). If that was intentional, then honestly I think Monica should have won this elimination.

    Oh, God. I am so sorry; however, I have to reply to this...

    Intentionality is almost completely irrelevant. Looking for an authors intent is a nebulous proposition. All that matters is the work. The work is an entity unto itself. If your interpretation is supported by the text then it is valid. There can be no wrong interpretation when that reading is supported by the materiel. As Barthes so succinctly stated, the author is dead.

    Once again, I am so sorry. Please don't hate me; this is just the way I am.

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  • BuchoBucho One careful pwner Registered User regular
    - "I dare you to come to my house and try to find a place that doesn't already have a dick on it."

    I loved the Abby-esque sass Monica shot at times, I just wish she had kept on firing it off because the boys clearly enjoy the shit out of it. Not that I blame her, I would have been in tears after about a minute twenty of Mike's grilling, I just mean that as a fan I wanted the best for her.

    Also, as TEAM TANGENT as I am I loved the extra props the boys gave Abby early in the ep.

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  • DeimirDeimir Registered User regular
    So many sads, Monica was my favorite of the personalities on the show. I think I'll do an archive binge on her comic today, in her honor.

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  • BuchoBucho One careful pwner Registered User regular
    edited May 2013
    Lexxy's made me laugh out loud, only the third Thunderdome strip to get me like that so far. Then she cracked me up when she was describing the comic to Monica out in the car.

    I'm going to miss Monica but Lexxy not only deserved the win, she came out of this looking like a potential champion.

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  • brocadebrocade Registered User regular
    Nothing but respect for Monica.

    I don't have a job that involves anything remotely creative. If I write a paragraph, chances are there's a cite to the least interesting statute in the world. But when I'm working, I'm not bantering -- I'm focusing on what I have to do. If I'm not, it's not getting done.

    So when someone is doing something genuinely creative, and they decide to focus on that instead of bantering for the sake of the audience, I have no problem with that. I'd love another Abby style performance, but that's not how everyone rolls. If exchanging barbs with Mike and Jerry means your comic is going to be sub par, then you absolutely should just shut them down and do your thing.

    Creating something worth reading is worth more than getting a few incidental laughs.

    All in all, it's kind of like last week. I don't disagree with the end result, but I'm sad to see the loser go. (Well, from the competition. I realize they don't get taken out back and shot afterwards, and are in fact still making comics on the interwebs.)

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  • Cap'n ShovelsCap'n Shovels Registered User regular
    Spman2099 wrote: »
    Lavidius wrote: »
    @wonkots42 Couldn't have said it better, I found her caustic facade a little off-putting as well and was hoping she would engage with them more.

    However, for trying to complete a comic of that scope, I can see why she opted for having more time to draw as opposed to banter. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's the most ambitious in scale since Ty's. As for the comic itself, I had a hard time parsing it on the first read-through and the fragmentary quality of the dream text bothered me, but the last panel is really beautiful and touching, and I LOVE how it has the two interpretations (waking from the dream of the safe choice or dreaming of waking from that life). If that was intentional, then honestly I think Monica should have won this elimination.

    Oh, God. I am so sorry; however, I have to reply to this...

    Intentionality is almost completely irrelevant. Looking for an authors intent is a nebulous proposition. All that matters is the work. The work is an entity unto itself. If your interpretation is supported by the text then it is valid. There can be no wrong interpretation when that reading is supported by the materiel. As Barthes so succinctly stated, the author is dead.

    Once again, I am so sorry. Please don't hate me; this is just the way I am.

    Thanks for writing this. I would have butchered it had I tried to explain the same thing. You saved me the trouble of having to post. But I guess I'm posting to say this so.... damn. Meta.

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  • RaphDSRaphDS Registered User regular
    When Lexxy started talking about how validated she felt to win, they showed the comic over again. I COULDN'T HEAR HER OVER MY LAUGHTER! That one was funny. Very impressed.

    Sad to see Monica go. I want to see the sass-off with her and Abby in one arena, fending off Mike and throwing barbs of their own! [Can we have this at PAX please? :D ]

  • DinospyDinospy Pacific NorthwestRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    I liked Monica's comic way more, like, vast magnitudes more, but I can understand the reason Mike and Jerry picked Lexxy. The thing is, and this is just personal, but I feel like any successes Lexxy has from now on (and this one) is tainted by the fact she was only brought back based on someone's off-hand comment. The two person elimination wasn't ~*~really~*~ necessary.

    but oh well

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  • wonkots42wonkots42 Registered User regular
    Lavidius wrote: »
    @wonkots42 Couldn't have said it better, I found her caustic facade a little off-putting as well and was hoping she would engage with them more.

    I wasn't put off by it really, if anything I felt almost protective of her because she wasn't handling the heckling well. At least, that was my impression.

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  • GPrime85GPrime85 New JerseyRegistered User regular
    edited May 2013
    It was really harsh to watch the banter in this episode swerve out of control. It's like that scene in Dumb & Dumber where Harry is walking through the snow with Mary. He gives her a playful shove and she responds by lightheartedly throwing a snowball on him. We see Harry's face change. He packs a snowball and blasts her in the head with it. Now she's pissed. She pelts him back. It's on. Harry tackles her to the ground like a football player and puts up his dukes.

    This kind of jovial trash-talk can go sour so quickly if one person accidentally takes it seriously or doesn't want to play along. It could be like ping-pong, too: One person serves by cracking a joke. The other person doesn't want to play so they knock the ball away. The first person tries to serve again, trying to be playful. The second person is annoyed and hits the ball back harshly. The first person gets upset. The second person gets angry. Then they're both passive-aggressive. It usually stops here, but the next step is outright hostility. (And then fisticuffs.) I've seen it happen. -_- It's interesting to witness the contrast between this elimination and the last one. If conversations like this are navigated well, it's hilarious - but it's thin ice.

    It feels so empty in the house now. =(

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  • SovietCrashSovietCrash Registered User regular
    I want to dislike Lexxy's comic and believe that she should be sent home..but she pulled out actual dinosaur roller skates and I just can't... its just too funny and I can't.. so good job Lexxy, keep it up and I will be unable to not hope you win

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  • ahdokahdok Figment of your imagination Registered User regular
    Monica's strip made me cry. It was so beautiful.

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  • KhaymanKhayman Registered User regular
    The decision is defiantly down to humour alone. Monica's art was leagues above Lexy's, but it was touching, not funny.

    I also found the "comebacks" a little tiresome after a while, after a point its no longer sass it just crass. Yes some of it is intentional heckling, to get a reaction and a laugh but some questions were just straightforward. Would it have killed her to answer "why do you want to be a cartoonist?" No

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  • zerzhulzerzhul Registered User, Moderator mod
    I'm sure it was because they were in the "expecting something funny" mindset, but I was a bit disappointed that Monica's comic had to be "explained". I thought it was incredibly obvious and straightforward what she was getting at, and it was really touching. I was extremely impressed by the amount of work she pushed out in 90 minutes, but like some others as soon as I saw it wasn't a "funny" strip, I expected the outcome we got.

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  • xdeathknightxxdeathknightx Registered User regular
    Monica was on fire in my opinion. She quickly saw what they were doing and she shut them down in a number of ways. She was the ultimate counter troll. And man telling someone you want to f**k their mom, especially someone that has to judge your work. Takes some balls. Like they said near the end in the car, it takes some doing to rattle them back and she was able to.

    That being said, on we go to the comics: Monica's comic was sweet, awesome and had a lot of content and showed a more personal side of herself. But I think it could have been better with more time. Some of the pacing and how things were acted out were a bit off. I think that if she took out a day for a comic like this and worked on it, it would have been awesome. This one was great but a little rough around the edges. That being said I am about to go bookmark her comic page and read it (want to read their comics as they are eliminated) because Monica is gonna go places. I am sure of that.

    Lexxy's comic, I was very skeptical when I read the first 3 panels. It was one of those "this could end up being really funny and good" or "this will be some dumb cliche" kind of things. But I have to say she hit it out of the park. I loved that comic. I will be honest and say Monica was my bias going in, but after I read the strips I immediately said that Lexxy should win it. Very well drawn, good visual jokes and nice punchlines.
    And seemed lexxy needed some validation of her skills as a cartoonist as well looking at the talking bits, I am glad she found that.

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  • KnightmareKnightmare PittsburghRegistered User regular
    Seeing Monica shut down like was unexpected...she usually seemed so open and carefree- as others have said it reminded me of the interview episode. Her comic was really heartfelt and I'm happy that Mike and Jerry gave some words to let her know that she should continue to pursue cartooning.

    Lexxy's strip was fantastic. Her illustration is what introduced me to her work, but it is really awesome to know that there is a great cartoonist inside of her somewhere!

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  • ahdokahdok Figment of your imagination Registered User regular
    I think you have to look carefully at the way Monica was shutting down Mike's questions. It looks like she's being cold and standoffish, but the questions she shut out were all about what it's like to be a cartoonist.

    At the point Mike asked those questions, Monica already knew she was answering them all in her comic, in a beautiful, artful heart-wrenching kind of way. If she explained those feelings to Mike before he saw the comic, then her art would have had a much smaller impact. In a way she had to shot those questions down.

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  • ahdokahdok Figment of your imagination Registered User regular
    @Lexxy: I know you've got the cloud factory lined up and all (and I've backed it, I'm super keen to see it!)

    But seriously, you could produce a massive hit comic by just doing a 90-min WBoBD comic each time. Your art style is excellent for it and your content is sublime. I would pay to buy a book of comics like the dino and clown comics, I would put such a webcomic into my regular reading list.

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  • hodumaruhodumaru Registered User new member
    Monica's defense mechanism was interesting. This episode is also known as the one where I started liking Lexxy.

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  • DexOZDexOZ Registered User regular
    No matter who lost it was gonna end in tears for me tonight. Bad luck tonight Monica, but way to stick it to the man :-P



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  • TomantaTomanta Registered User regular
    Both comics were a little rough this time around (Monica's did not flow quite as well as it could have, Lexxy's art wasn't quite as good as the last time around) but I think that is entirely due to the time pressure. Both pieces were amazing. Lexxy's had me coming up with a jingle as I read it. Monica's was an incredible amount of art.

    But watching Monica during the challenge was a little uncomfortable (partially due to Mike harping on the same topic instead of trying another way to get her to open up). I have to agree that I would not expect someone with Monica's standup to have that kind of mouth on her, which is one of the reasons why I have loved watching her this season.

    Also, it is now a scientific fact that Lexxy participating in a challenge will screw with Mike/Jerry's attempts to destroy a comic.

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  • ObiRobKenobiObiRobKenobi Registered User regular
    While I understand Monica was just trying to make sure she put out the best comic possible by shutting Mike down whenever she could I knew right away that she'd probably be going home tonight. So much of this elimination stage is about performing under stress and Monica showed that she can't do that well. She produced an excellent comic but she had to shut out all of the stress around her to create it. She wasn't able to create and jest at the same time, which is fine, it just meant she probably wasn't winning this round.

    I had picked her to win tonight and wanted her to get all the way to the final competition but I should have remembered how defensive she got against the interviewer and factored that into her performance.

    As I said, her comic was beautiful though. One of my favorites in the show and easily my favorite losing comic since Lexxy's clowns. I'm really impressed that she didn't go for a gag comic. That's all I've ever seen her do before and she does them really well. Her webcomic, Phuzzy Comics, is my second favorite webcomic from this show, second only to Skadi. If she had chosen to do a humorous strip, I feel that i it definitely may have beat Lexxy's. Monica's is hilarious. But, in the heat of the moment she chose to go with an idea that spoke to her, an idea that resonated with her despite it being atypical and I've got to applaud that kind of thinking and dedication.

    Way to go, Monica. You've always been one of my favorites and I'm sad to see you go but I'm glad to see you have so much versatility. I'll keep reading and supporting your dream as long as you're around.

    As for Lexxy's comic. It was hilarious. It really was the better choice here, she did deserve to win this time. Even though I was rooting for Monica I do have to say that Lexxy won me over with this. DinoSkates are just too cool/hilarious to turn down. Her execution was great. Her art was great. Her humor was great. She really won this one hands down.

    With Monica gone my rankings have changed a bit. My order of artists is as follows...

    5. Tavis
    4. Lexxy
    3. Abby
    2. Maki
    1. Katie

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