It certainly got mentioned as a possible name in the post conference Bombcast. The only consensus was that you couldn't just call it "The One" unless you also called the PS4 "The Four".
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But what would Silver even be at this point? I mean, it seems just about every feature they are touting is something that needs to be paywalled for them. Even Netflix is Gold only.
I do wonder if prices are going to go up $10ish, or maybe $10 at retail, stay at $60 for digital. Controllers really concern me too - I could see with all these features having those get more and more expensive. I know I like to have a full set of 4 controllers in case the kid/niece/nephew/friends/etc want to play a round of Castle Crashers or Scott Pilgrim and if they're an extra $20 each or something, it would be a pretty big hike in overall console ownership.
Silver would just not be able to use online features, just as it did before. Which cuts about 90% of the reason to OWN the Xbone, but I'd be okay with just single player gaming.
Xbox Gold has been very profitable for them so I don't see them doing anything to make it less attractive.
Everybody will just call it the One or Xbox after a few months.
I could see the Oculus Rift and the Kinect 2.0 being an amazing match for each other. Hopefully the new Kinect is easily hackable for PC use.
It's a shame MS isn't pimping the Rift as a future Xbone peripheral.
I don't see it. They've already earned enough ire, if anything. People looked at the potential projection features that were teased and universally said, "Interesting, but the point is...?"
If people are complaining that there's already too much of a departure from "it just plays games", you can absolutely be sure they shit over a VR device. People weren't kind to 3D on the PS3 either, and that came in a time where the PS3's library was finally becoming substantial. Which is not to say the Oculus Rift is good or bad, it just couldn't come at a worse time for the Xbox One--assuming we believe the narrative we're hearing here. It'd be another thing to slam as a distraction--not unlike the new focus on Kinect. And that's before going into the difficulty of implementation (OR is hardly perfect either, but it's on a platform where people are happy to wait indefinitely for problems to be fixed--PC--which is how TrackIR managed to get off the ground).
That may be overly pessimistic. I think it'd be very interesting potential also, but everyone seems frustrated at anything that's "potential" that's detracting from what they expected to be already implemented. It's a pretty hostile environment, and not without reason.
This will be the first E3 I am REALLY looking forward to. Microsoft has to unfuck itself, Sony has to live up to the hype, Nintendo has to pull a rabbit out of a hat...oh boy.
MS will go with TV, Sony will still not show the machine and... Nintendo...will...who knows.
Have Sony said that they're not showing the console itself? Huh, curious.
And Nintendo will be at E3, they're just not having a big keynote. Instead, they're gonna focus on, y'know, games. Numerous Nintendo Directs aimed directly at gamers, some presentations for the press, hands-on with products on the show floor.
No one seemed to care that the PS4 was not physically present at the announcement so...it should be okay? I'm surprised, but priorities are priorities. They'll promote a few new games, but presumably, expand upon the actually pretty shallow description of games we've gotten so far since the announcement (a safe, smart move). The question for me is "Will they return to the social experience they promoted?" I haven't heard anything about it, and it's hard not to say that Sony saw that "no one gave a shit" and got distracted/abandoned it/smothered it until they need something for the news cycle.
Still, that seems like a very safe option, if we're to be believe. If Nintendo were there more actively, I imagine they'd do the same?
I would assume they'll have something like Silver...but it does bring up an interesting point. If the system is already required to be online 1x daily at least, would it effect sales if they also required a Gold Membership? Additionally, will they have to put a hefty warning on the box that a broadband connection is required for the console?
Is there any logical reason why the 360 controllers couldn't be used on the xbone? I know they wouldn't have the snazzy extra rumble but the design is identical.
Similarly Sony may adopt a similar stance to this generation, you can plug in pretty much any wired USB controller to the PS3 and it'll probably do something! I wonder if they'll let you use existing six axis controllers.
Also to fit in with the new console name, Gold and Silver are being renamed numerically. You can go for a number one or a number two subscription.
PS4 ships with a headset. Xbox One does not. no headset.
Talk about switching places. Next, PSN will have party functions and XBL won't.
Are we assuming the One doesn't have a headset because you can use Kinect for voice communications during games?
Meh. No idea. You can do that now, but I don't think anyone considers that a replacement so much as "free Webcam/PSEye thing"....but yes, it's entirely possible to do that now. A modern device would do better.
I guess I'm more surprised that Sony's including a headset.
Is there any logical reason why the 360 controllers couldn't be used on the xbone? I know they wouldn't have the snazzy extra rumble but the design is identical.
Similarly Sony may adopt a similar stance to this generation, you can plug in pretty much any wired USB controller to the PS3 and it'll probably do something! I wonder if they'll let you use existing six axis controllers.
Also to fit in with the new console name, Gold and Silver are being renamed numerically. You can go for a number one or a number two subscription.
-snigger-
Wait, what? Xbox 360 controllers work on the PS3? (serious question)
The controller is the only thing that's keeping me from boarding the PS4 hype train. Microsoft made an outstanding controller this generation, and I'm reluctant to go back to the Dualshock.
PS4 ships with a headset. Xbox One does not. no headset.
Talk about switching places. Next, PSN will have party functions and XBL won't.
Are we assuming the One doesn't have a headset because you can use Kinect for voice communications during games?
I think some of the talk about the new controller was HD audio or something, so that means there is still a headset mic.
At the same time I assume the kinect 2.0 would do voice comms just as well since its supposed to be really good at filtering out everything but who is talking to it.
Still, when I first heard "Xbox One", I liked it. It was bold. It represented the unity of the living room, the new beginning they want, etc. It's the same as it was with the Wii, where I liked the name in context with their entire manifesto. Unfortunately, because the rest of the conference was such a misfire, and what happens on the drawing board of ad men is far removed from the consumer, the name's not working. Ultimately, it is irrelevant, as it was with the Wii.
Funny nevertheless how Microsoft basically used everything Sony did wrong with the PS3 and something Nintendo did wrong with the Wii and thought that would make for a good XBO announcement.
As for paid accounts: I haven't paid for Gold, ever. I don't use it (even though sometimes it's attractive). But if you are to use it extensively, from online play to frequent shopping in the Marketplace, I don't think its unfair to charge. I rather commend Sony for not charging than I blame Microsoft for charging. But they still have their chance to screw up their revised payment scheme for the next generation. Here's to hoping!
Xbox Gold has been very profitable for them so I don't see them doing anything to make it less attractive.
[PR image]
Everybody will just call it the One or Xbox after a few months.
No possessives? Is Microsoft really so diametrically opposed to the concept of consumer ownership that they needed to make the phrase "your console" explicitly forbidden?
EDIT: Actually, I guess that line probably refers to phrases like "Xbox One's [whatever], but that makes even less sense.
I assume PS+ will be turned into the "hey you can play games online" stuff as Sony will want some of those sweet sweet XBLG dollars, and also can't be shoveling out free games until forever when a system (that I assume they'll be taking a bath on) just launches. I'd be really surprised if one or the other charges when the other doesn't this time around, as XBL won't be the hilariously superior compared to PSN when they launched (assuming Sony has fixed PSN's crappy friends stuff).
I assume PS+ will be turned into the "hey you can play games online" stuff as Sony will want some of those sweet sweet XBLG dollars, and also can't be shoveling out free games until forever when a system (that I assume they'll be taking a bath on) just launches. I'd be really surprised if one or the other charges when the other doesn't this time around, as XBL won't be the hilariously superior compared to PSN when they launched (assuming Sony has fixed PSN's crappy friends stuff).
I don't see Silver being obliterated by a fee--it makes far more sense for it to be the default setting on a console that has an online requirement anyway--anymore than I see PS+ becoming free (and thus, the games included to sweeten the pot being gifts rather than free rentals). Sony had a really big social network aspect that...no one's interested in at the moment (or at least no one's talking about it). There's a lot of room for them to divide that up between PS+ and not, and they may default to one or the other. We might know if anyone talked about it at all.
I know I said earlier that the name won't ultimately matter, but to play devil's advocate, while people were laughing their asses off over the Wii, they stopped laughing when the damn thing lit the world on fire.
It will most likely simply be called the Xbox. But... if it really does shit the bed... yeah, it's never going to shake being called the Xbone.
I seriously wonder how MS is reacting to that nickname. Something like this doesn't come along very often. It works on so many levels.
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Is there any logical reason why the 360 controllers couldn't be used on the xbone? I know they wouldn't have the snazzy extra rumble but the design is identical.
Similarly Sony may adopt a similar stance to this generation, you can plug in pretty much any wired USB controller to the PS3 and it'll probably do something! I wonder if they'll let you use existing six axis controllers.
Also to fit in with the new console name, Gold and Silver are being renamed numerically. You can go for a number one or a number two subscription.
-snigger-
Wait, what? Xbox 360 controllers work on the PS3? (serious question)
The controller is the only thing that's keeping me from boarding the PS4 hype train. Microsoft made an outstanding controller this generation, and I'm reluctant to go back to the Dualshock.
Nah but an awful lot of PC USB controllers work. I know you can buy a little device that'll let you hook up a 360 controller to the PS3 though, @Big Classy has one.
Microsoft really locked down 3rd party peripherals, Sony were less dickish.
I know I said earlier that the name won't ultimately matter, but to play devil's advocate, while people were laughing their asses off over the Wii, they stopped laughing when the damn thing lit the world on fire.
It will most likely simply be called the Xbox. But... if it really does shit the bed... yeah, it's never going to shake being called the Xbone.
I seriously wonder how MS is reacting to that nickname. Something like this doesn't come along very often. It works on so many levels.
All of them sort of childish and immature? I dunno, names don't really matter. I was hoping Sony was going to go for some sort of silly Playstation Orbis name just because it would have amused me for 2 seconds, same with Xbox Infinity or Fusion, but in the end, irrelevant.
I know I said earlier that the name won't ultimately matter, but to play devil's advocate, while people were laughing their asses off over the Wii, they stopped laughing when the damn thing lit the world on fire.
It will most likely simply be called the Xbox. But... if it really does shit the bed... yeah, it's never going to shake being called the Xbone.
I seriously wonder how MS is reacting to that nickname. Something like this doesn't come along very often. It works on so many levels.
Children Crossing > Children Xing > Xing > Xbone > Crossbone > Skull and Crossbone > Poison
I know I said earlier that the name won't ultimately matter, but to play devil's advocate, while people were laughing their asses off over the Wii, they stopped laughing when the damn thing lit the world on fire.
It will most likely simply be called the Xbox. But... if it really does shit the bed... yeah, it's never going to shake being called the Xbone.
I seriously wonder how MS is reacting to that nickname. Something like this doesn't come along very often. It works on so many levels.
Does MS even know about Xbone? Is that name being used elsewhere besides the PA forums?
I mean, I'm just sayin'. I initially thought it was a funny, if a bit immature joke. Yeah yeah, it's boned and Xbone sounds like Xbox. Chuckle snort guffaw.
Then it dawned on me that it's also literally a contracted form of Xbox One.
It's like that rare, one in a million, blue moon SNL sketch that hits every comedic satire point perfectly.
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"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
This is why, when I have a kid, I will filter out names that can easily be modified into something insulting. Childish? Maybe. But at least my kid won't get the human equivalent of Xbone as a nickname.
I know I said earlier that the name won't ultimately matter, but to play devil's advocate, while people were laughing their asses off over the Wii, they stopped laughing when the damn thing lit the world on fire.
It will most likely simply be called the Xbox. But... if it really does shit the bed... yeah, it's never going to shake being called the Xbone.
I seriously wonder how MS is reacting to that nickname. Something like this doesn't come along very often. It works on so many levels.
All of them sort of childish and immature? I dunno, names don't really matter. I was hoping Sony was going to go for some sort of silly Playstation Orbis name just because it would have amused me for 2 seconds, same with Xbox Infinity or Fusion, but in the end, irrelevant.
In the end, Nintendo passing up the 'Revolution' didn't make an iota of difference. And it's about as far removed from 'Wii' as you can get.
So is it just here or is everyone calling it the XBone?
If so that's hilarious.
All over the place its being called that.
Hah. So even the freaking name has turned into a PR misfire.
On the flipside, the actual word Xbox is incredibly good for voice recognition software. Uncommon phonemes, hard X sounds, it's a short word and it doesn't sound like many others.
So going off that fact, the name of their console couldn't be similar to common voice commands, or actual ones. It couldn't be, for example, the Xbox Home or something. Because that's a menu option and everything is done with voice. They want it that way so your withered grandma with stage nine arthritis can still participate and send them money.
Can't be Xbox 3 either, cause that's too similar to 360, and would confuse the brand.
Also, when choosing a name, you kinda want it to either signify a progression of the product (eg, the PS3 is one better than the PS2) or embody the core concepts of the device. The Nintendo DS, for example, literally has dual screens.
So what would it have been? Xbox Something being the template?
You know, its a shitty name that is both bland and confusing with the Xbox 1. But what else could it have been that didn't sound worse? Xbox Trinity? Xbox Future?
Wii worked because it was a silly name and made it really easy to remember. One is... just an odd choice. I get WHY they chose it, but I still think it was a stupid name.
This is why, when I have a kid, I will filter out names that can easily be modified into something insulting. Childish? Maybe. But at least my kid won't get the human equivalent of Xbone as a nickname.
How did they NOT see this coming?
It reminds me of the Simpsons flashback where they're deciding on Bart's name, and Homer keeps thinking of putdown rhymes for every one. Then tests out Bart. "Art, Bart, Cart, Dart, Ee-art... nope, I guess it's ok!".
I always wondered if there was a subtle joke buried in there that he never made it to F...
"The sausage of Green Earth explodes with flavor like the cannon of culinary delight."
Revolution was a great codename but Wii is better as a final product title.
Mainly because, I guess, Revolution means a lot to different people. I mean, you don't want to be selling a product called Revolution in a country where an actual revolution is taking place, which would have happened.
Thinking of where actual revolutions (as called as such) happened after 2006--there wasn't very much overlap with Nintendo's key market zones. Or any at all.
More plausibly, Revolution may have been seen as too 'aggressive' or not in line with the broadly demographic, family friendly image that Nintendo made a point of fostering with the Wii.
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Silver would just not be able to use online features, just as it did before. Which cuts about 90% of the reason to OWN the Xbone, but I'd be okay with just single player gaming.
http://www.dorkly.com/comic/52085/xbox-one-what-they-tell-us-vs-what-well-get
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Everybody will just call it the One or Xbox after a few months.
Hahahahahaha Wii.
It's.. really not the end of the console.
I don't see it. They've already earned enough ire, if anything. People looked at the potential projection features that were teased and universally said, "Interesting, but the point is...?"
If people are complaining that there's already too much of a departure from "it just plays games", you can absolutely be sure they shit over a VR device. People weren't kind to 3D on the PS3 either, and that came in a time where the PS3's library was finally becoming substantial. Which is not to say the Oculus Rift is good or bad, it just couldn't come at a worse time for the Xbox One--assuming we believe the narrative we're hearing here. It'd be another thing to slam as a distraction--not unlike the new focus on Kinect. And that's before going into the difficulty of implementation (OR is hardly perfect either, but it's on a platform where people are happy to wait indefinitely for problems to be fixed--PC--which is how TrackIR managed to get off the ground).
That may be overly pessimistic. I think it'd be very interesting potential also, but everyone seems frustrated at anything that's "potential" that's detracting from what they expected to be already implemented. It's a pretty hostile environment, and not without reason.
No one seemed to care that the PS4 was not physically present at the announcement so...it should be okay? I'm surprised, but priorities are priorities. They'll promote a few new games, but presumably, expand upon the actually pretty shallow description of games we've gotten so far since the announcement (a safe, smart move). The question for me is "Will they return to the social experience they promoted?" I haven't heard anything about it, and it's hard not to say that Sony saw that "no one gave a shit" and got distracted/abandoned it/smothered it until they need something for the news cycle.
Still, that seems like a very safe option, if we're to be believe. If Nintendo were there more actively, I imagine they'd do the same?
Xbox | x Dredgen Yor x |
I would assume they'll have something like Silver...but it does bring up an interesting point. If the system is already required to be online 1x daily at least, would it effect sales if they also required a Gold Membership? Additionally, will they have to put a hefty warning on the box that a broadband connection is required for the console?
Similarly Sony may adopt a similar stance to this generation, you can plug in pretty much any wired USB controller to the PS3 and it'll probably do something! I wonder if they'll let you use existing six axis controllers.
Also to fit in with the new console name, Gold and Silver are being renamed numerically. You can go for a number one or a number two subscription.
-snigger-
PSN: SirGrinchX
Oculus Rift: Sir_Grinch
Talk about switching places. Next, PSN will have party functions and XBL won't.
Are we assuming the One doesn't have a headset because you can use Kinect for voice communications during games?
My exact thoughts during the presentation.
Meh. No idea. You can do that now, but I don't think anyone considers that a replacement so much as "free Webcam/PSEye thing"....but yes, it's entirely possible to do that now. A modern device would do better.
I guess I'm more surprised that Sony's including a headset.
It's fact it doesn't ship with a headset, and yes it's because of kinect.
Xbox | x Dredgen Yor x |
Wait, what? Xbox 360 controllers work on the PS3? (serious question)
The controller is the only thing that's keeping me from boarding the PS4 hype train. Microsoft made an outstanding controller this generation, and I'm reluctant to go back to the Dualshock.
I think some of the talk about the new controller was HD audio or something, so that means there is still a headset mic.
At the same time I assume the kinect 2.0 would do voice comms just as well since its supposed to be really good at filtering out everything but who is talking to it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Still, when I first heard "Xbox One", I liked it. It was bold. It represented the unity of the living room, the new beginning they want, etc. It's the same as it was with the Wii, where I liked the name in context with their entire manifesto. Unfortunately, because the rest of the conference was such a misfire, and what happens on the drawing board of ad men is far removed from the consumer, the name's not working. Ultimately, it is irrelevant, as it was with the Wii.
Funny nevertheless how Microsoft basically used everything Sony did wrong with the PS3 and something Nintendo did wrong with the Wii and thought that would make for a good XBO announcement.
As for paid accounts: I haven't paid for Gold, ever. I don't use it (even though sometimes it's attractive). But if you are to use it extensively, from online play to frequent shopping in the Marketplace, I don't think its unfair to charge. I rather commend Sony for not charging than I blame Microsoft for charging. But they still have their chance to screw up their revised payment scheme for the next generation. Here's to hoping!
EDIT: Actually, I guess that line probably refers to phrases like "Xbox One's [whatever], but that makes even less sense.
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I don't see Silver being obliterated by a fee--it makes far more sense for it to be the default setting on a console that has an online requirement anyway--anymore than I see PS+ becoming free (and thus, the games included to sweeten the pot being gifts rather than free rentals). Sony had a really big social network aspect that...no one's interested in at the moment (or at least no one's talking about it). There's a lot of room for them to divide that up between PS+ and not, and they may default to one or the other. We might know if anyone talked about it at all.
It will most likely simply be called the Xbox. But... if it really does shit the bed... yeah, it's never going to shake being called the Xbone.
I seriously wonder how MS is reacting to that nickname. Something like this doesn't come along very often. It works on so many levels.
Nah but an awful lot of PC USB controllers work. I know you can buy a little device that'll let you hook up a 360 controller to the PS3 though, @Big Classy has one.
Microsoft really locked down 3rd party peripherals, Sony were less dickish.
PSN: SirGrinchX
Oculus Rift: Sir_Grinch
All of them sort of childish and immature? I dunno, names don't really matter. I was hoping Sony was going to go for some sort of silly Playstation Orbis name just because it would have amused me for 2 seconds, same with Xbox Infinity or Fusion, but in the end, irrelevant.
Children Crossing > Children Xing > Xing > Xbone > Crossbone > Skull and Crossbone > Poison
Does MS even know about Xbone? Is that name being used elsewhere besides the PA forums?
Then it dawned on me that it's also literally a contracted form of Xbox One.
It's like that rare, one in a million, blue moon SNL sketch that hits every comedic satire point perfectly.
How did they NOT see this coming?
In the end, Nintendo passing up the 'Revolution' didn't make an iota of difference. And it's about as far removed from 'Wii' as you can get.
On the flipside, the actual word Xbox is incredibly good for voice recognition software. Uncommon phonemes, hard X sounds, it's a short word and it doesn't sound like many others.
So going off that fact, the name of their console couldn't be similar to common voice commands, or actual ones. It couldn't be, for example, the Xbox Home or something. Because that's a menu option and everything is done with voice. They want it that way so your withered grandma with stage nine arthritis can still participate and send them money.
Can't be Xbox 3 either, cause that's too similar to 360, and would confuse the brand.
Also, when choosing a name, you kinda want it to either signify a progression of the product (eg, the PS3 is one better than the PS2) or embody the core concepts of the device. The Nintendo DS, for example, literally has dual screens.
So what would it have been? Xbox Something being the template?
You know, its a shitty name that is both bland and confusing with the Xbox 1. But what else could it have been that didn't sound worse? Xbox Trinity? Xbox Future?
Wii worked because it was a silly name and made it really easy to remember. One is... just an odd choice. I get WHY they chose it, but I still think it was a stupid name.
Ah, good ol' Dorkly. Taking jokes that other people did better, then dragging them out 4-8 panels too long.
Xbox One is innocuous (and unmemorable) by comparison. I don't think confusion is going to be an issue, but apparently, the WiiU proved me wrong.
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"No self-publishing" doesn't just hinder developers. A lot of publishers must go to BIGGER publishers to be able to publish on Xbox.
Mike Bithell, creator of Thomas Was Alone:
not that I'll ever sell well enough to make a blip on MS's radar, but somewhere, the next Minecraft is being made, for another platform.
George Broussard, co-creator of Duke Nukem:
Microsoft you *must* prioritize a low friction indie self publishing path. Otherwise you hand Sony games, devs and $.
Robert Boyd, co-creator of Breath of Death VII, Cthulhu Saves the World, and Penny Arcade's On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness 3:
Microsoft just handed the indie dev community to Sony, Nintendo, and Steam on a silver platter.
David Frampton, creator of The Blockheads:
There doesn't appear to be anything actually new here regarding Microsoft's attitude towards indies. The news is that nothing has changed.
David Frampton again:
But the fact that Microsoft's attitude towards indies hasn't changed is definitely affecting this indie's attitude towards Microsoft.
Phil Fish, co-creator of FEZ:
microsoft doesn't care about indie developer.
Markus Persson, creator of Minecraft:
Also, I tried to get excited about the xbox one, but failed.
Tommy Refenes, co-creator of Super Meat Boy:
So as someone who doesn't play Forza or any EA Sports game and already has a computer hooked to my TV, what does Xbox One offer me?
Zach Gage, creator of SpellTower and co-creator of Ridiculous Fishing:
@BenKuchera that was the only thing i was hoping for
Tim Schafer, founder of Double Fine Productions:
"@Polygon: Indie developers cannot self-publish on Xbox One http://sbn.to/YZERGv" Booo! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! BoooOOOoooOooooo! Boo!
Terry Cavanagh, creator of VVVVVV and Super Hexagon:
But honestly, after their reveal yesterday, does anyone really WANT to make games for it?
It reminds me of the Simpsons flashback where they're deciding on Bart's name, and Homer keeps thinking of putdown rhymes for every one. Then tests out Bart. "Art, Bart, Cart, Dart, Ee-art... nope, I guess it's ok!".
I always wondered if there was a subtle joke buried in there that he never made it to F...
Mainly because, I guess, Revolution means a lot to different people. I mean, you don't want to be selling a product called Revolution in a country where an actual revolution is taking place, which would have happened.
More plausibly, Revolution may have been seen as too 'aggressive' or not in line with the broadly demographic, family friendly image that Nintendo made a point of fostering with the Wii.