Aight, I have a question. I promise this isn't intended as bait.
It seems pretty clear at this point that the kinect is a dog. Regardless of whether you think it's cool (I think it's cool! I've never used it! I have nothing against it) it failed to have any real impact on gaming and is broadly unpopular. So why are Microsoft so committed to it, to the point where they'll put an extra $100 on the pricetag of their new console to try and increase its market penetration? Sony did the same thing with blu-ray, but blu ray wasn't a complete dog. There has to be a reason other than "they think it's super cool" or some stupid conspiracy theory about datamining.
This is sort of something I posted in a different, thread, but...
The PS4 seems to just be a PS3 with new hardware.
I think Microsoft believes that with the state of gaming as it is, where users are all over the place with tablets and phones, PC gaming, older consoles, there isn't enough of a market to justify just releasing a generation of consoles that's beefier.
So either the Xbone is going to become a defining entertainment center that rules the TV entertainment space, or they're just not going to bother with console gaming.
And I think it kind of makes sense. Console gaming of the old sort, "Hey, let's turn on the Nintendo" might be coming to its end. Capture the entire television entertainment space, or just let it go.
So, Aegeri. Do you actually want to buy the Xbox One? Are you going to buy the Xbox One? Are you trying to discourage people from buying the Xbox One? Where are you going with all this? Are you just venting?
Pretty much just venting, seeing as I feel Microsoft have just pissed on 6 odd years of my gaming time and as a customer to become complete idiots. But otherwise there is much fertile discussion and I am hardly going to let Microsoft try to pull a Sim City EA "Shill cloud gaming as the coming of Jesus" when the practical actual reality of the situation is exactly the opposite.
I am curious though if Microsoft will see any degree of sanity between now and then, but given their comments eg: Buy a 360 for a non-connected console 8-> I doubt it. They have well and truly got Sonys 2006 hubris, it just amazes me they can't see it.
Edit: And it should be noted that I didn't just like the 360, I absolutely fucking loved it.
I think you are wrong and I would love to revisit this thread 2 years from now to see what happens. I think people hate DRM because of server issue like in Simcity and Diablo III. Xbox live is solid as a rock. I have never seen it go down due to heavy traffic.
And it also went down last year when Call of Duty came out. Major functions of Xbox live were also not available at the start of this year when the cloud saving completely shit itself, which was extremely inconvenient for me for most of January and February (when it was entirely down).
So, your argument isn't exactly as good as you think.
have seen EA and Blizzard server suffer from high usage but the Microsoft one? never.
Well you are only a link away from seeing reports of it happening!
Have fun with your hosted by crappy user broadband connection server while I'll be playing on dedicated server.
Actually, Sony have announced they are going to be doing that as well - hence why they moved multiplayer behind the PS+ pay wall.
Dead Rising was already dark and gritty. It was also fucking weird and had some great moments of hilarity. They already said DR3 will have humor. Unless I missed the parts of the other two games where it was a non-stop slapstick comedy I don't know what you're getting at here.
You are kidding me right? You never noticed all the fun of dressing up ridiculously, how the entire game is a parody of zombie movie lore, the in references like "Jill's Sandwich Shop", dressing up zombies in Lego heads then running them over with a tricycle and the absolutely off the walls insane plot. For gods sake, the first game is
literally about making infinite meat from zombie cows for fast food chains FFS.
It is the absolute opposite of "dark and gritty" and certainly wasn't designed to appeal to people who like Call of Duty (which is a stated design goal of Dead Rising 3).
I am happy for you that you have already made your decision. Don't think Sony will be immune to any of the problem mention above even if you are paying for PSN+. I feel there will be a surge of new user flooding the Sony PSN network and it might not be a good thing. I know people think the grass is always green on the other side. Personally, I hate the Dual Shock too much to the PS4 route. Sony didn't show me any game that I was interested in that wasn't multiplatform. From my experience, the multiplayer experience is always better on Xbox. I taught the Sony conference was pretty weak until Jack came out with the famous slide. It was pretty pathetic actually.
Again, I hope you really enjoy your PS4. It going to be a good gaming machine I am sure. I just believe the Xbox one will be a better experience overall.
The thing is though, if PSN goes down, you can still play games offline on your PS4. If Xbox Live goes down, you're stuck with a $500 paperweight.
God forbid you do would do something like : Actually going outside and do something productive with your life...Xbox live or PSN is down, someone call 911....
Do you understand why this is a completely absurd point to take in a discussion about the potential problems of a new games console on an internet forum for a webcomic about videogames?
I'm not even taking the "lol gamers are shut-in recluses!" approach here, either!
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AegeriTiny wee bacteriumsPlateau of LengRegistered Userregular
So, Aegeri. Do you actually want to buy the Xbox One? Are you going to buy the Xbox One? Are you trying to discourage people from buying the Xbox One? Where are you going with all this? Are you just venting?
Pretty much just venting, seeing as I feel Microsoft have just pissed on 6 odd years of my gaming time and as a customer to become complete idiots. But otherwise there is much fertile discussion and I am hardly going to let Microsoft try to pull a Sim City EA "Shill cloud gaming as the coming of Jesus" when the practical actual reality of the situation is exactly the opposite.
I am curious though if Microsoft will see any degree of sanity between now and then, but given their comments eg: Buy a 360 for a non-connected console 8-> I doubt it. They have well and truly got Sonys 2006 hubris, it just amazes me they can't see it.
Edit: And it should be noted that I didn't just like the 360, I absolutely fucking loved it.
I think you are wrong and I would love to revisit this thread 2 years from now to see what happens. I think people hate DRM because of server issue like in Simcity and Diablo III. Xbox live is solid as a rock. I have never seen it go down due to heavy traffic.
And it also went down last year when Call of Duty came out. Major functions of Xbox live were also not available at the start of this year when the cloud saving completely shit itself, which was extremely inconvenient for me for most of January and February (when it was entirely down).
So, your argument isn't exactly as good as you think.
have seen EA and Blizzard server suffer from high usage but the Microsoft one? never.
Well you are only a link away from seeing reports of it happening!
Have fun with your hosted by crappy user broadband connection server while I'll be playing on dedicated server.
Actually, Sony have announced they are going to be doing that as well - hence why they moved multiplayer behind the PS+ pay wall.
Dead Rising was already dark and gritty. It was also fucking weird and had some great moments of hilarity. They already said DR3 will have humor. Unless I missed the parts of the other two games where it was a non-stop slapstick comedy I don't know what you're getting at here.
You are kidding me right? You never noticed all the fun of dressing up ridiculously, how the entire game is a parody of zombie movie lore, the in references like "Jill's Sandwich Shop", dressing up zombies in Lego heads then running them over with a tricycle and the absolutely off the walls insane plot. For gods sake, the first game is
literally about making infinite meat from zombie cows for fast food chains FFS.
It is the absolute opposite of "dark and gritty" and certainly wasn't designed to appeal to people who like Call of Duty (which is a stated design goal of Dead Rising 3).
I am happy for you that you have already made your decision. Don't think Sony will be immune to any of the problem mention above even if you are paying for PSN+. I feel there will be a surge of new user flooding the Sony PSN network and it might not be a good thing. I know people think the grass is always green on the other side. Personally, I hate the Dual Shock too much to the PS4 route. Sony didn't show me any game that I was interested in that wasn't multiplatform. From my experience, the multiplayer experience is always better on Xbox. I taught the Sony conference was pretty weak until Jack came out with the famous slide. It was pretty pathetic actually.
Again, I hope you really enjoy your PS4. It going to be a good gaming machine I am sure. I just believe the Xbox one will be a better experience overall.
The thing is though, if PSN goes down, you can still play games offline on your PS4. If Xbox Live goes down, you're stuck with a $500 paperweight.
God forbid you do would do something like : Actually going outside and do something productive with your life...Xbox live or PSN is down, someone call 911....
Yes, I would love to spend half a thousand dollars and then go outside and do something else.
A soccer ball costs like $15 bucks and comes with no DRM at all! It even works when wet!
Edit: In any event, what an entirely asinine argument.
So, Aegeri. Do you actually want to buy the Xbox One? Are you going to buy the Xbox One? Are you trying to discourage people from buying the Xbox One? Where are you going with all this? Are you just venting?
Pretty much just venting, seeing as I feel Microsoft have just pissed on 6 odd years of my gaming time and as a customer to become complete idiots. But otherwise there is much fertile discussion and I am hardly going to let Microsoft try to pull a Sim City EA "Shill cloud gaming as the coming of Jesus" when the practical actual reality of the situation is exactly the opposite.
I am curious though if Microsoft will see any degree of sanity between now and then, but given their comments eg: Buy a 360 for a non-connected console 8-> I doubt it. They have well and truly got Sonys 2006 hubris, it just amazes me they can't see it.
Edit: And it should be noted that I didn't just like the 360, I absolutely fucking loved it.
I think you are wrong and I would love to revisit this thread 2 years from now to see what happens. I think people hate DRM because of server issue like in Simcity and Diablo III. Xbox live is solid as a rock. I have never seen it go down due to heavy traffic.
And it also went down last year when Call of Duty came out. Major functions of Xbox live were also not available at the start of this year when the cloud saving completely shit itself, which was extremely inconvenient for me for most of January and February (when it was entirely down).
So, your argument isn't exactly as good as you think.
have seen EA and Blizzard server suffer from high usage but the Microsoft one? never.
Well you are only a link away from seeing reports of it happening!
Have fun with your hosted by crappy user broadband connection server while I'll be playing on dedicated server.
Actually, Sony have announced they are going to be doing that as well - hence why they moved multiplayer behind the PS+ pay wall.
Dead Rising was already dark and gritty. It was also fucking weird and had some great moments of hilarity. They already said DR3 will have humor. Unless I missed the parts of the other two games where it was a non-stop slapstick comedy I don't know what you're getting at here.
You are kidding me right? You never noticed all the fun of dressing up ridiculously, how the entire game is a parody of zombie movie lore, the in references like "Jill's Sandwich Shop", dressing up zombies in Lego heads then running them over with a tricycle and the absolutely off the walls insane plot. For gods sake, the first game is
literally about making infinite meat from zombie cows for fast food chains FFS.
It is the absolute opposite of "dark and gritty" and certainly wasn't designed to appeal to people who like Call of Duty (which is a stated design goal of Dead Rising 3).
I am happy for you that you have already made your decision. Don't think Sony will be immune to any of the problem mention above even if you are paying for PSN+. I feel there will be a surge of new user flooding the Sony PSN network and it might not be a good thing. I know people think the grass is always green on the other side. Personally, I hate the Dual Shock too much to the PS4 route. Sony didn't show me any game that I was interested in that wasn't multiplatform. From my experience, the multiplayer experience is always better on Xbox. I taught the Sony conference was pretty weak until Jack came out with the famous slide. It was pretty pathetic actually.
Again, I hope you really enjoy your PS4. It going to be a good gaming machine I am sure. I just believe the Xbox one will be a better experience overall.
The thing is though, if PSN goes down, you can still play games offline on your PS4. If Xbox Live goes down, you're stuck with a $500 paperweight.
God forbid you do would do something like : Actually going outside and do something productive with your life...Xbox live or PSN is down, someone call 911....
So, here's how Microsoft themselves have said that their design process arrived at requiring a connection.
When Microsoft was speccing out the machine, they ran up against hard performance limits due to the comparatively glacial read-speed of the disc drive. After some investigation they determined that the best way to deal with these issues would be to force every game to install and run entirely from the hard drive. Unfortunately, that would open them up to piracy on a tremendous scale. So they made it phone home, assuming that most of their market at this point has an internet connection that can handle sending an auth code once a day.
Once they require the internet connection, it opens them up to a lot of other design possibilities - the cloud stuff, a direct digital download platform that they can guarantee everyone has access to, being able to stream your feed to Twitch at any point, etc. There's a lot of stuff you can actually do with this. Removing used games is a (very nice) side-benefit, and one I personally think they should have just gone with outright, akin to Steam, rather than the wishy-washy half and half crap they're pulling now.
yeah, what?
I mean it's probably a little slower, but when comparing a handful of milliseconds, it doesn't really hold up.
It's not "a little slower." A 7200RPM drive has roughly five times the transfer rate of a 6x Blu-Ray drive.
and yet still more than fast enough to play any fighting game that requires split second timing.
That's... that's not how that works.
Something like a fighting game would preload all the assets required into memory, because the assets are tiny. Something like Watch Dogs or Assassin's Creed, where there are a shitload of assets, will stream chunks of the game to memory from disc. This is what causes pop-in and long load screens. Having a hard drive available will significantly reduce both these problems comparable to reading from a disc. Sony's faster RAM will help close the gap a little, but not entirely.
ok, I'll take your word on it .... but I've never had what I would consider a huge load time on any game I've played recently
I suppose that could be a product of my years in Norrath though.
You obviously didn't play Skyrim on a 360. (For the record, I didn't either, mostly because I watched someone play it on 360 for like half an hour and went NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE.)
For Sony to really utilize that extra 2GB of RAM they've (supposedly, we don't have a confirmation on OS overhead) got, they're going to have to load an extra 2GB that into memory at some point. That's going to take a lot longer. Like, in a completely unrealistic scenario (completely filling all RAM), 20-30 seconds longer than it would if it was reading from a hard drive.
They also have faster RAM than the Xb1 though.
Having faster RAM impacts how quickly you can get stuff to and from the processor, mostly, and it's really not a significant performance factor in most cases. Slower RAM means infinitesimally longer load times slightly more texture pop-in.
Aight, I have a question. I promise this isn't intended as bait.
It seems pretty clear at this point that the kinect is a dog. Regardless of whether you think it's cool (I think it's cool! I've never used it! I have nothing against it) it failed to have any real impact on gaming and is broadly unpopular. So why are Microsoft so committed to it, to the point where they'll put an extra $100 on the pricetag of their new console to try and increase its market penetration? Sony did the same thing with blu-ray, but blu ray wasn't a complete dog. There has to be a reason other than "they think it's super cool" or some stupid conspiracy theory about datamining.
This is sort of something I posted in a different, thread, but...
The PS4 seems to just be a PS3 with new hardware.
I think Microsoft believes that with the state of gaming as it is, where users are all over the place with tablets and phones, PC gaming, older consoles, there isn't enough of a market to justify just releasing a generation of consoles that's beefier.
So either the Xbone is going to become a defining entertainment center that rules the TV entertainment space, or they're just not going to bother with console gaming.
And I think it kind of makes sense. Console gaming of the old sort, "Hey, let's turn on the Nintendo" might be coming to its end. Capture the entire television entertainment space, or just let it go.
They're probably not wrong. The question is can a core focused game system actually reach levels of market penetration that make it worth developing AAA games for? When even the current gen with fairly large install base can't break even. Even if dev costs are only a small % higher, the margins at these levels are so thin.
Dunno, I think this decade is going to be an interesting, but maybe not in a good way.
So, Aegeri. Do you actually want to buy the Xbox One? Are you going to buy the Xbox One? Are you trying to discourage people from buying the Xbox One? Where are you going with all this? Are you just venting?
Pretty much just venting, seeing as I feel Microsoft have just pissed on 6 odd years of my gaming time and as a customer to become complete idiots. But otherwise there is much fertile discussion and I am hardly going to let Microsoft try to pull a Sim City EA "Shill cloud gaming as the coming of Jesus" when the practical actual reality of the situation is exactly the opposite.
I am curious though if Microsoft will see any degree of sanity between now and then, but given their comments eg: Buy a 360 for a non-connected console 8-> I doubt it. They have well and truly got Sonys 2006 hubris, it just amazes me they can't see it.
Edit: And it should be noted that I didn't just like the 360, I absolutely fucking loved it.
I think you are wrong and I would love to revisit this thread 2 years from now to see what happens. I think people hate DRM because of server issue like in Simcity and Diablo III. Xbox live is solid as a rock. I have never seen it go down due to heavy traffic.
And it also went down last year when Call of Duty came out. Major functions of Xbox live were also not available at the start of this year when the cloud saving completely shit itself, which was extremely inconvenient for me for most of January and February (when it was entirely down).
So, your argument isn't exactly as good as you think.
have seen EA and Blizzard server suffer from high usage but the Microsoft one? never.
Well you are only a link away from seeing reports of it happening!
Have fun with your hosted by crappy user broadband connection server while I'll be playing on dedicated server.
Actually, Sony have announced they are going to be doing that as well - hence why they moved multiplayer behind the PS+ pay wall.
Dead Rising was already dark and gritty. It was also fucking weird and had some great moments of hilarity. They already said DR3 will have humor. Unless I missed the parts of the other two games where it was a non-stop slapstick comedy I don't know what you're getting at here.
You are kidding me right? You never noticed all the fun of dressing up ridiculously, how the entire game is a parody of zombie movie lore, the in references like "Jill's Sandwich Shop", dressing up zombies in Lego heads then running them over with a tricycle and the absolutely off the walls insane plot. For gods sake, the first game is
literally about making infinite meat from zombie cows for fast food chains FFS.
It is the absolute opposite of "dark and gritty" and certainly wasn't designed to appeal to people who like Call of Duty (which is a stated design goal of Dead Rising 3).
I am happy for you that you have already made your decision. Don't think Sony will be immune to any of the problem mention above even if you are paying for PSN+. I feel there will be a surge of new user flooding the Sony PSN network and it might not be a good thing. I know people think the grass is always green on the other side. Personally, I hate the Dual Shock too much to the PS4 route. Sony didn't show me any game that I was interested in that wasn't multiplatform. From my experience, the multiplayer experience is always better on Xbox. I taught the Sony conference was pretty weak until Jack came out with the famous slide. It was pretty pathetic actually.
Again, I hope you really enjoy your PS4. It going to be a good gaming machine I am sure. I just believe the Xbox one will be a better experience overall.
The thing is though, if PSN goes down, you can still play games offline on your PS4. If Xbox Live goes down, you're stuck with a $500 paperweight.
God forbid you do would do something like : Actually going outside and do something productive with your life...Xbox live or PSN is down, someone call 911....
Do you understand why this is a completely absurd point to take in a discussion about the potential problems of a new games console on an internet forum for a webcomic about videogames?
I'm not even taking the "lol gamers are shut-in recluses!" approach here, either!
So, Aegeri. Do you actually want to buy the Xbox One? Are you going to buy the Xbox One? Are you trying to discourage people from buying the Xbox One? Where are you going with all this? Are you just venting?
Pretty much just venting, seeing as I feel Microsoft have just pissed on 6 odd years of my gaming time and as a customer to become complete idiots. But otherwise there is much fertile discussion and I am hardly going to let Microsoft try to pull a Sim City EA "Shill cloud gaming as the coming of Jesus" when the practical actual reality of the situation is exactly the opposite.
I am curious though if Microsoft will see any degree of sanity between now and then, but given their comments eg: Buy a 360 for a non-connected console 8-> I doubt it. They have well and truly got Sonys 2006 hubris, it just amazes me they can't see it.
Edit: And it should be noted that I didn't just like the 360, I absolutely fucking loved it.
I think you are wrong and I would love to revisit this thread 2 years from now to see what happens. I think people hate DRM because of server issue like in Simcity and Diablo III. Xbox live is solid as a rock. I have never seen it go down due to heavy traffic.
And it also went down last year when Call of Duty came out. Major functions of Xbox live were also not available at the start of this year when the cloud saving completely shit itself, which was extremely inconvenient for me for most of January and February (when it was entirely down).
So, your argument isn't exactly as good as you think.
have seen EA and Blizzard server suffer from high usage but the Microsoft one? never.
Well you are only a link away from seeing reports of it happening!
Have fun with your hosted by crappy user broadband connection server while I'll be playing on dedicated server.
Actually, Sony have announced they are going to be doing that as well - hence why they moved multiplayer behind the PS+ pay wall.
Dead Rising was already dark and gritty. It was also fucking weird and had some great moments of hilarity. They already said DR3 will have humor. Unless I missed the parts of the other two games where it was a non-stop slapstick comedy I don't know what you're getting at here.
You are kidding me right? You never noticed all the fun of dressing up ridiculously, how the entire game is a parody of zombie movie lore, the in references like "Jill's Sandwich Shop", dressing up zombies in Lego heads then running them over with a tricycle and the absolutely off the walls insane plot. For gods sake, the first game is
literally about making infinite meat from zombie cows for fast food chains FFS.
It is the absolute opposite of "dark and gritty" and certainly wasn't designed to appeal to people who like Call of Duty (which is a stated design goal of Dead Rising 3).
I am happy for you that you have already made your decision. Don't think Sony will be immune to any of the problem mention above even if you are paying for PSN+. I feel there will be a surge of new user flooding the Sony PSN network and it might not be a good thing. I know people think the grass is always green on the other side. Personally, I hate the Dual Shock too much to the PS4 route. Sony didn't show me any game that I was interested in that wasn't multiplatform. From my experience, the multiplayer experience is always better on Xbox. I taught the Sony conference was pretty weak until Jack came out with the famous slide. It was pretty pathetic actually.
Again, I hope you really enjoy your PS4. It going to be a good gaming machine I am sure. I just believe the Xbox one will be a better experience overall.
The thing is though, if PSN goes down, you can still play games offline on your PS4. If Xbox Live goes down, you're stuck with a $500 paperweight.
God forbid you do would do something like : Actually going outside and do something productive with your life...Xbox live or PSN is down, someone call 911....
@Symtex
I understand you want to talk about games and focus on the more positive aspects of the console and all, but this is not the way to do it.
All you're doing is forcing the conversation back in the opposite direction.
My advice, introduce a new subject... if it floats, then it's meant to be. If it doesn't. Stop reading the thread for a bit, then come back and try again.
“I used to draw, hard to admit that I used to draw...”
Aight, I have a question. I promise this isn't intended as bait.
It seems pretty clear at this point that the kinect is a dog. Regardless of whether you think it's cool (I think it's cool! I've never used it! I have nothing against it) it failed to have any real impact on gaming and is broadly unpopular. So why are Microsoft so committed to it, to the point where they'll put an extra $100 on the pricetag of their new console to try and increase its market penetration? Sony did the same thing with blu-ray, but blu ray wasn't a complete dog. There has to be a reason other than "they think it's super cool" or some stupid conspiracy theory about datamining.
This is sort of something I posted in a different, thread, but...
The PS4 seems to just be a PS3 with new hardware.
I think Microsoft believes that with the state of gaming as it is, where users are all over the place with tablets and phones, PC gaming, older consoles, there isn't enough of a market to justify just releasing a generation of consoles that's beefier.
So either the Xbone is going to become a defining entertainment center that rules the TV entertainment space, or they're just not going to bother with console gaming.
And I think it kind of makes sense. Console gaming of the old sort, "Hey, let's turn on the Nintendo" might be coming to its end. Capture the entire television entertainment space, or just let it go.
They're probably not wrong. The question is can a core focused game system actually reach levels of market penetration that make it worth developing AAA games for? When even the current gen with fairly large install base can't break even. Even if dev costs are only a small % higher, the margins at these levels are so thin.
Dunno, I think this decade is going to be an interesting, but maybe not in a good way.
The thing is, current gen games are breaking even. Making money, even. Just not all of them, and the ones that are making money aren't necessarily making enough to cover for the ones that flop.
I've said it before, but the lesson from THQ isn't that dev costs are too high. The lesson from THQ is that dev costs are too high for shitty games because for some reason this generation we've gotten away from the idea that a game can be kinda bad but still worth picking up for $30.
Right now current-gen game sales are also having to help subsidize next-gen development, which doesn't help, but that's a factor that will largely disappear in November.
There are comedic aspects to the game, absolutely. There are moments of hilarious stupidity. The main thrust of it? Fucking dark. It is NOT a bright and cheery story by any stretch. So yeah, there are moments that go both ways: dark and gritty, fun and goofy. Trying to claim that the game's meter was pinned on the opposite end of "dark and gritty" means that you were even more blind than you are insinuating I was while playing it.
Meanwhile, someone tell me where the "Xbox One Thread in Which we are Excited About the Xbox One" is, please? It's like the pit of despair in here only without any hope of rescue by Inigo Montoya...
So, Aegeri. Do you actually want to buy the Xbox One? Are you going to buy the Xbox One? Are you trying to discourage people from buying the Xbox One? Where are you going with all this? Are you just venting?
Pretty much just venting, seeing as I feel Microsoft have just pissed on 6 odd years of my gaming time and as a customer to become complete idiots. But otherwise there is much fertile discussion and I am hardly going to let Microsoft try to pull a Sim City EA "Shill cloud gaming as the coming of Jesus" when the practical actual reality of the situation is exactly the opposite.
I am curious though if Microsoft will see any degree of sanity between now and then, but given their comments eg: Buy a 360 for a non-connected console 8-> I doubt it. They have well and truly got Sonys 2006 hubris, it just amazes me they can't see it.
Edit: And it should be noted that I didn't just like the 360, I absolutely fucking loved it.
I think you are wrong and I would love to revisit this thread 2 years from now to see what happens. I think people hate DRM because of server issue like in Simcity and Diablo III. Xbox live is solid as a rock. I have never seen it go down due to heavy traffic.
And it also went down last year when Call of Duty came out. Major functions of Xbox live were also not available at the start of this year when the cloud saving completely shit itself, which was extremely inconvenient for me for most of January and February (when it was entirely down).
So, your argument isn't exactly as good as you think.
have seen EA and Blizzard server suffer from high usage but the Microsoft one? never.
Well you are only a link away from seeing reports of it happening!
Have fun with your hosted by crappy user broadband connection server while I'll be playing on dedicated server.
Actually, Sony have announced they are going to be doing that as well - hence why they moved multiplayer behind the PS+ pay wall.
Dead Rising was already dark and gritty. It was also fucking weird and had some great moments of hilarity. They already said DR3 will have humor. Unless I missed the parts of the other two games where it was a non-stop slapstick comedy I don't know what you're getting at here.
You are kidding me right? You never noticed all the fun of dressing up ridiculously, how the entire game is a parody of zombie movie lore, the in references like "Jill's Sandwich Shop", dressing up zombies in Lego heads then running them over with a tricycle and the absolutely off the walls insane plot. For gods sake, the first game is
literally about making infinite meat from zombie cows for fast food chains FFS.
It is the absolute opposite of "dark and gritty" and certainly wasn't designed to appeal to people who like Call of Duty (which is a stated design goal of Dead Rising 3).
I am happy for you that you have already made your decision. Don't think Sony will be immune to any of the problem mention above even if you are paying for PSN+. I feel there will be a surge of new user flooding the Sony PSN network and it might not be a good thing. I know people think the grass is always green on the other side. Personally, I hate the Dual Shock too much to the PS4 route. Sony didn't show me any game that I was interested in that wasn't multiplatform. From my experience, the multiplayer experience is always better on Xbox. I taught the Sony conference was pretty weak until Jack came out with the famous slide. It was pretty pathetic actually.
Again, I hope you really enjoy your PS4. It going to be a good gaming machine I am sure. I just believe the Xbox one will be a better experience overall.
The thing is though, if PSN goes down, you can still play games offline on your PS4. If Xbox Live goes down, you're stuck with a $500 paperweight.
God forbid you do would do something like : Actually going outside and do something productive with your life...Xbox live or PSN is down, someone call 911....
@Symtex
I understand you want to talk about games and focus on the more positive aspects of the console and all, but this is not the way to do it.
All you're doing is forcing the conversation back in the opposite direction.
My advice, introduce a new subject... if it floats, then it's meant to be. If it doesn't. Stop reading the thread for a bit, then come back and try again.
Plant Vs Zombie looks like a fun game I might pick up (never played it before) What do you guys think ?
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mrt144King of the NumbernamesRegistered Userregular
Have the guys at MS announced any new sports TV stuff at E3?
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syndalisGetting ClassyOn the WallRegistered User, Loves Apple Productsregular
I mean, the Mod-written OP by @Rorus Raz says that DRM and Used Games are not supposed to be up for discussion in here...
This would be a much slower, but generally much better thread if that could be upheld.
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There are comedic aspects to the game, absolutely. There are moments of hilarious stupidity. The main thrust of it? Fucking dark. It is NOT a bright and cheery story by any stretch.
No dark and gritty cutscenes survives Frank Walking into the scene with the tightest hot pants imaginable, a cowboy hat and a top that shows 90% of his chest hair.
And again, the stories in the game are hilariously god damned dumb and probably rather deliberately. You can give your daughter a *tiger* in the second game if you know how. One of the psychos is a deranged Las Vegas club singer in S&M gear, a guy in a gimp costume, a mad clown with chainsaws and a group of survivors are confused DnD LARPers. Grim dark is hardly what the game is filled with.
It was far more colourful, interesting and full of dark comedy than most other games, which combined with the frantic nature of needing to keep ahead of the time limit was the entire charm. But oh yeah they now want to emphasise the "dark and gritty" quite literally, to the point where it doesn't feel like Dead Rising but any generic zombie game, "appealing to the Call of Duty crowd"*, removed the time limit that made the original games what they were (stuck it into some other mode) and of course, added pointless arm waggling as well.
The games soul is entirely gone from what I have seen and now been reading about it. I can walk away from that one.
*Hello what entirely made Resident Evil 6 a total mess.
I mean, the Mod-written OP by @Rorus Raz says that DRM and Used Games are not supposed to be up for discussion in here...
This would be a much slower, but generally much better thread if that could be upheld.
That was written because nobody knew all the facts at that time and nobody knew what Sony were going to do with the PS4. So it was a bit of a nowhere conversation. Now we have those facts and know exactly what Sony is doing, so the discussion is certainly completely coherent to have again. Then again, it's not my decision and that was just my interpretation, Rorus may have an entirely different opinion and if he says to drop it, then it should be put away.
Eh. I think it's kind of premature to write it off. There could still be hot pants in the game. They're just not going to show them if they're marketing it as grimdark. :P
edit: I looked at that game and thought if Undead Labs had Capcom's budget and all... they'd have made the zombie survival game to end all zombie survival games.
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There are comedic aspects to the game, absolutely. There are moments of hilarious stupidity. The main thrust of it? Fucking dark. It is NOT a bright and cheery story by any stretch.
No dark and gritty cutscenes survives Frank Walking into the scene with the tightest hot pants imaginable, a cowboy hat and a top that shows 90% of his chest hair.
And again, the stories in the game are hilariously god damned dumb and probably rather deliberately. You can give your daughter a *tiger* in the second game if you know how. One of the psychos is a deranged Las Vegas club singer in S&M gear,
It was far more colourful, interesting and full of dark comedy than most other games, which combined with the frantic nature of needing to keep ahead of the time limit was the entire charm. But oh yeah they now want to emphasise the "dark and gritty" quite literally, to the point where it doesn't feel like Dead Rising but any generic zombie game, "appealing to the Call of Duty crowd"*, removed the time limit that made the original games what they were (stuck it into some other mode) and of course, added pointless arm waggling as well.
The games soul is entirely gone from what I have seen and now been reading about it. I can walk away from that one.
*Hello what entirely made Resident Evil 6 a total mess.
Pretty sure that they also said the game isn't SRS BSNS all the time and there are lots of comedy elements in it too.
Some of the weapons I saw him building were hilarious to me... like a sledgehammer with a circular saw duct taped on the end of the handle.
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Re: The install to hard drive discussion.
It's like no one has ever heard of authenticating software with the disc. Or not installing all the content. You could install audio, textures, and meshes to the disc HDD still leave the executable and some of the other critical compute code on the disc. Or have some kind of predictive caching. There are so many ways to manage data that don't involve copying the entire disc to the HDD that I find it hard to believe this business about always-on DRM being the only way they could handle large amounts of data is anything more than damage control.
The best part is phone-home authentication isn't all that ridiculously hard to crack. Pirates figure out what the system is listening for, then spoof the signal. People who are intent enough on pirating games to take the steps that would be necessary to bypass disc authentication will be willing to spoof phone-home authentication, too.
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RE: "Live downtime and oh god I can't use my Xbox One as a result!" - Those few instances you list were measured in hours or less. The Call of Duty one wasn't even Live being down, but the matchmaking servers for CoD itself; not something that would prevent you from playing games in general. I'm not a fan of the call home / no lending nonsense, but I won't pretend that it would impact me in any meaningful way. By all means, work yourself into a lather over this and then buy a PS4 - just don't drone on and on over the same points when we have no new information about it.
As for Kinect use, it really does need too large a room to be effective I find, but I don't want to dance about. The voice stuff works really well for me, but I have a fairly loud, deep voice. I'm not sure if that helps, and I speak English. I know that some people have complained about region settings causing some issues.
is a decent video demoing how it works - no more menus, or at least, a lot less menu usage. The current Kinect is unfortunately a cut down version with lower res and less processing power than Natal was originally intended to have, sounds like they've changed that for the new one. What irks me about it, is they're just now starting to do things like leaning in your chair causes your character to lean - I mean, who DOESN'T lean and twist and turn during stressful gameplay moments? It just seems like such a natural thing for the Kinect etc to make use of.
Eh. I think it's kind of premature to write it off. There could still be hot pants in the game. They're just not going to show them if they're marketing it as grimdark. :P
Which is why I have zero confidence of them making a good Dead Rising game, it means to me instantly they have no idea why people enjoyed it in the first place.
I mean the trailer that made me buy a 360 was for Dead Rising. I think it was something utterly absurd, which was Frank on a tricycle in a ridiculous outfit running over zombies to the ghostbusters theme.
Aight, I have a question. I promise this isn't intended as bait.
It seems pretty clear at this point that the kinect is a dog. Regardless of whether you think it's cool (I think it's cool! I've never used it! I have nothing against it) it failed to have any real impact on gaming and is broadly unpopular. So why are Microsoft so committed to it, to the point where they'll put an extra $100 on the pricetag of their new console to try and increase its market penetration? Sony did the same thing with blu-ray, but blu ray wasn't a complete dog. There has to be a reason other than "they think it's super cool" or some stupid conspiracy theory about datamining.
This is sort of something I posted in a different, thread, but...
The PS4 seems to just be a PS3 with new hardware.
I think Microsoft believes that with the state of gaming as it is, where users are all over the place with tablets and phones, PC gaming, older consoles, there isn't enough of a market to justify just releasing a generation of consoles that's beefier.
So either the Xbone is going to become a defining entertainment center that rules the TV entertainment space, or they're just not going to bother with console gaming.
And I think it kind of makes sense. Console gaming of the old sort, "Hey, let's turn on the Nintendo" might be coming to its end. Capture the entire television entertainment space, or just let it go.
Its an odd time for them to take this stance, right on the eve of cable/network television losing ground to streaming options.
There are comedic aspects to the game, absolutely. There are moments of hilarious stupidity. The main thrust of it? Fucking dark. It is NOT a bright and cheery story by any stretch.
No dark and gritty cutscenes survives Frank Walking into the scene with the tightest hot pants imaginable, a cowboy hat and a top that shows 90% of his chest hair.
And again, the stories in the game are hilariously god damned dumb and probably rather deliberately. You can give your daughter a *tiger* in the second game if you know how. One of the psychos is a deranged Las Vegas club singer in S&M gear,
It was far more colourful, interesting and full of dark comedy than most other games, which combined with the frantic nature of needing to keep ahead of the time limit was the entire charm. But oh yeah they now want to emphasise the "dark and gritty" quite literally, to the point where it doesn't feel like Dead Rising but any generic zombie game, "appealing to the Call of Duty crowd"*, removed the time limit that made the original games what they were (stuck it into some other mode) and of course, added pointless arm waggling as well.
The games soul is entirely gone from what I have seen and now been reading about it. I can walk away from that one.
*Hello what entirely made Resident Evil 6 a total mess.
Pretty sure that they also said the game isn't SRS BSNS all the time and there are lots of comedy elements in it too.
Some of the weapons I saw him building were hilarious to me... like a sledgehammer with a circular saw duct taped on the end of the handle.
The one thing I didn't like from the demo video was how many times the player character was like "Oh god" "Oh no" "Eek!" and whatnot... then he jumps into a car and just plows through EVERYTHING.
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It's like no one has ever heard of authenticating software with the disc. Or not installing all the content. You could install audio, textures, and meshes to the disc HDD still leave the executable and some of the other critical compute code on the disc. Or have some kind of predictive caching.
Sure. Except that crushes their direct-download sharing system, which is actually pretty boss.
There are comedic aspects to the game, absolutely. There are moments of hilarious stupidity. The main thrust of it? Fucking dark. It is NOT a bright and cheery story by any stretch. So yeah, there are moments that go both ways: dark and gritty, fun and goofy. Trying to claim that the game's meter was pinned on the opposite end of "dark and gritty" means that you were even more blind than you are insinuating I was while playing it.
Meanwhile, someone tell me where the "Xbox One Thread in Which we are Excited About the Xbox One" is, please? It's like the pit of despair in here only without any hope of rescue by Inigo Montoya...
Oooh. Tough call. I think you might be looking for the "Xbox One Thread for People Who Didn't Watch E3"? or the "Xbox One Thread in Which Consumers Put Their Fingers in Their Ears"?
...just kidding. Don't worry, the negativity will lessen somewhat in time. People are still emotional after the E3 hype.
It's like no one has ever heard of authenticating software with the disc. Or not installing all the content. You could install audio, textures, and meshes to the disc HDD still leave the executable and some of the other critical compute code on the disc. Or have some kind of predictive caching.
Sure. Except that crushes their direct-download sharing system, which is actually pretty boss.
Not really, you being able to do a partial install doesn't affect the person you gift. They would just have to do a full install unless you also gave them the disc.
Aight, I have a question. I promise this isn't intended as bait.
It seems pretty clear at this point that the kinect is a dog. Regardless of whether you think it's cool (I think it's cool! I've never used it! I have nothing against it) it failed to have any real impact on gaming and is broadly unpopular. So why are Microsoft so committed to it, to the point where they'll put an extra $100 on the pricetag of their new console to try and increase its market penetration? Sony did the same thing with blu-ray, but blu ray wasn't a complete dog. There has to be a reason other than "they think it's super cool" or some stupid conspiracy theory about datamining.
This is sort of something I posted in a different, thread, but...
The PS4 seems to just be a PS3 with new hardware.
I think Microsoft believes that with the state of gaming as it is, where users are all over the place with tablets and phones, PC gaming, older consoles, there isn't enough of a market to justify just releasing a generation of consoles that's beefier.
So either the Xbone is going to become a defining entertainment center that rules the TV entertainment space, or they're just not going to bother with console gaming.
And I think it kind of makes sense. Console gaming of the old sort, "Hey, let's turn on the Nintendo" might be coming to its end. Capture the entire television entertainment space, or just let it go.
Its an odd time for them to take this stance, right on the eve of cable/network television losing ground to streaming options.
I think the intent is to become that streaming device that replaces the cable box. You'd still have your cable ISP and sub for content, but direct via the internet rather than HDMI in from the cable box.
Hence, I suspect, future subsidized options with your cable/ISP sub. Look: you can pay a bit more for a cable box that responds to voice control, has a la carte content, and plays the newest games too!
Aight, I have a question. I promise this isn't intended as bait.
It seems pretty clear at this point that the kinect is a dog. Regardless of whether you think it's cool (I think it's cool! I've never used it! I have nothing against it) it failed to have any real impact on gaming and is broadly unpopular. So why are Microsoft so committed to it, to the point where they'll put an extra $100 on the pricetag of their new console to try and increase its market penetration? Sony did the same thing with blu-ray, but blu ray wasn't a complete dog. There has to be a reason other than "they think it's super cool" or some stupid conspiracy theory about datamining.
This is sort of something I posted in a different, thread, but...
The PS4 seems to just be a PS3 with new hardware.
I think Microsoft believes that with the state of gaming as it is, where users are all over the place with tablets and phones, PC gaming, older consoles, there isn't enough of a market to justify just releasing a generation of consoles that's beefier.
So either the Xbone is going to become a defining entertainment center that rules the TV entertainment space, or they're just not going to bother with console gaming.
And I think it kind of makes sense. Console gaming of the old sort, "Hey, let's turn on the Nintendo" might be coming to its end. Capture the entire television entertainment space, or just let it go.
Its an odd time for them to take this stance, right on the eve of cable/network television losing ground to streaming options.
I think the intent is to become that streaming device that replaces the cable box. You'd still have your cable ISP and sub for content, but direct via the internet rather than HDMI in from the cable box.
I don't know how many time, while watching netflix, I got a join party request from a friend to play a game. the ability to switch between Netflix and game instantly. Its going to be awesome.
NOte : I work for a TV/ISP provider. This is going to be interesting to see how TV stuff will develop in interest with our current IPTV solution
As for DR3 - It's the same team that gave us 2, and 2.5 both of which were grim and also suitably wacky. Whacky? Whatever. Seriously, the games have all been grim and dark as shit, with the ability for the player to take things to the absurd via clothing.
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Aight, I have a question. I promise this isn't intended as bait.
It seems pretty clear at this point that the kinect is a dog. Regardless of whether you think it's cool (I think it's cool! I've never used it! I have nothing against it) it failed to have any real impact on gaming and is broadly unpopular. So why are Microsoft so committed to it, to the point where they'll put an extra $100 on the pricetag of their new console to try and increase its market penetration? Sony did the same thing with blu-ray, but blu ray wasn't a complete dog. There has to be a reason other than "they think it's super cool" or some stupid conspiracy theory about datamining.
This is sort of something I posted in a different, thread, but...
The PS4 seems to just be a PS3 with new hardware.
I think Microsoft believes that with the state of gaming as it is, where users are all over the place with tablets and phones, PC gaming, older consoles, there isn't enough of a market to justify just releasing a generation of consoles that's beefier.
So either the Xbone is going to become a defining entertainment center that rules the TV entertainment space, or they're just not going to bother with console gaming.
And I think it kind of makes sense. Console gaming of the old sort, "Hey, let's turn on the Nintendo" might be coming to its end. Capture the entire television entertainment space, or just let it go.
Its an odd time for them to take this stance, right on the eve of cable/network television losing ground to streaming options.
By "losing ground" you are talking about to people cutting cable for financial reasons, and internet denizens, right?
Because 90% of american households still pay for cable. It's down from 95% percent 7 years ago, but its really hard to put all of that on Netflix and Hulu and piracy, when peoples spending power has diminished and they start cutting luxuries.
If anything, Hulu and Netflix supplement peoples' already existing cable services. Netflix is a better on demand with a deeper library, and Hulu (when paired with your cable account) lets you stream episodes of shows you missed the night before.
Short of "enjoys sex" and "breathes air," I don't think you will find many other things in this country that 90% of people can get behind.
Cable is so far from dead at this point, and will still be a viable "feature" for xboxes and smart TVs to tap into five years from now.
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Eh. I think it's kind of premature to write it off. There could still be hot pants in the game. They're just not going to show them if they're marketing it as grimdark. :P
Which is why I have zero confidence of them making a good Dead Rising game, it means to me instantly they have no idea why people enjoyed it in the first place.
I mean the trailer that made me buy a 360 was for Dead Rising. I think it was something utterly absurd, which was Frank on a tricycle in a ridiculous outfit running over zombies to the ghostbusters theme.
For me it was a single image: Frank on a van in the tunnels surrounded by a shitload (which was probably more than 100, but not more than 199) of zombies. All the goofy stuff came later when I actually played it and loved that I could find my own balance between serious and goofy. They've barely shown us the game at all; writing it off at this point is incredibly premature. I remember thinking that DR2 was going to be far more dark and serious and ... well, tiger for your daughter. I think the way the main character was saying "OH CRAP!" at everything was a hint of that humor.
Also, they 100% know what people liked about it: they're not removing the original save/time system but making it optional. Addition by subtraction: they're making that part optional to allow more people to enjoy it while keeping it available for the hardcore fans. I'm sure they know exactly what people want from this.
It's the same team that gave us 2, and 2.5 both of which were grim and also suitably wacky. Whacky? Whatever.
Really, what turned me off was two main things "More serious" and "Call of Duty", both of which trigger alarm bells for me. Maybe they will come right, but everything I have heard so far has been an absolute turn off.
Hmmmm, I never thought of that. With a $500 entry point and terrible PR, XB One sales will be so minimal that there will be super fast downloads. Maybe I should get one.
So, Aegeri. Do you actually want to buy the Xbox One? Are you going to buy the Xbox One? Are you trying to discourage people from buying the Xbox One? Where are you going with all this? Are you just venting?
Pretty much just venting, seeing as I feel Microsoft have just pissed on 6 odd years of my gaming time and as a customer to become complete idiots. But otherwise there is much fertile discussion and I am hardly going to let Microsoft try to pull a Sim City EA "Shill cloud gaming as the coming of Jesus" when the practical actual reality of the situation is exactly the opposite.
I am curious though if Microsoft will see any degree of sanity between now and then, but given their comments eg: Buy a 360 for a non-connected console 8-> I doubt it. They have well and truly got Sonys 2006 hubris, it just amazes me they can't see it.
Edit: And it should be noted that I didn't just like the 360, I absolutely fucking loved it.
I think they will in about 3 years. I think that's how long it will take before they announce a new, cheaper XB1 that is digital only, requires no online auth (since if you have to buy all your games online, auth will hap
Hmmmm, I never thought of that. With a $500 entry point and terrible PR, XB One sales will be so minimal that there will be super fast downloads. Maybe I should get one.
That was written on Monday, prior to the press conferences when the real prices were announced. In the article, it clearly states that both systems were listed at $599. Let see what they are at next week when everything from both sides is on the table.
So, here's how Microsoft themselves have said that their design process arrived at requiring a connection.
When Microsoft was speccing out the machine, they ran up against hard performance limits due to the comparatively glacial read-speed of the disc drive. After some investigation they determined that the best way to deal with these issues would be to force every game to install and run entirely from the hard drive. Unfortunately, that would open them up to piracy on a tremendous scale. So they made it phone home, assuming that most of their market at this point has an internet connection that can handle sending an auth code once a day.
Once they require the internet connection, it opens them up to a lot of other design possibilities - the cloud stuff, a direct digital download platform that they can guarantee everyone has access to, being able to stream your feed to Twitch at any point, etc. There's a lot of stuff you can actually do with this. Removing used games is a (very nice) side-benefit, and one I personally think they should have just gone with outright, akin to Steam, rather than the wishy-washy half and half crap they're pulling now.
This almost made sense, until you realize that the PS4 apparently is able to come into the next-gen without forcing people to install on their HDD, which makes me wonder about these "hard performance limits" that Microsoft seemingly had trouble with that forced them to install their games to deal with.
At least with the PS4 you are still able to install your game if you want and take advantage of the faster speeds. It is the difference between giving the consumer options, and forcing it down their throat.
If the PS4 also required installation to deal with "hard performance issues" I would most likely believe Microsofts claim that that was the solution.
But that does not appear to be the case, so I'm calling it bullshit.
That's not to say that the other features the Xbone is offering aren't enticing, they certainly are, but to me those extra features are not worth supporting the other bullshit things they are forcing, and certainly not worth paying an extra $100 for on TOP of that.
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Eh. I think it's kind of premature to write it off. There could still be hot pants in the game. They're just not going to show them if they're marketing it as grimdark. :P
Which is why I have zero confidence of them making a good Dead Rising game, it means to me instantly they have no idea why people enjoyed it in the first place.
I mean the trailer that made me buy a 360 was for Dead Rising. I think it was something utterly absurd, which was Frank on a tricycle in a ridiculous outfit running over zombies to the ghostbusters theme.
For me it was a single image: Frank on a van in the tunnels surrounded by a shitload (which was probably more than 100, but not more than 199) of zombies. All the goofy stuff came later when I actually played it and loved that I could find my own balance between serious and goofy. They've barely shown us the game at all; writing it off at this point is incredibly premature. I remember thinking that DR2 was going to be far more dark and serious and ... well, tiger for your daughter. I think the way the main character was saying "OH CRAP!" at everything was a hint of that humor.
Also, they 100% know what people liked about it: they're not removing the original save/time system but making it optional. Addition by subtraction: they're making that part optional to allow more people to enjoy it while keeping it available for the hardcore fans. I'm sure they know exactly what people want from this.
How you get "Serious" out of that, well, I have no idea. Honestly I am not sure about how I feel about the removal of the time limit, I have always been a very vocal supporter of it for precisely how it dictates the gameplay. The games were also superbly balanced around it as a concept, something that making it optional may be entirely lost in Dead Rising 3. I don't see that as a good thing.
Oh and exactly what hardcore fans wanted was waggling your arms with the kinect? Really? That's what you wanted?
Hmmmm, I never thought of that. With a $500 entry point and terrible PR, XB One sales will be so minimal that there will be super fast downloads. Maybe I should get one.
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This is sort of something I posted in a different, thread, but...
The PS4 seems to just be a PS3 with new hardware.
I think Microsoft believes that with the state of gaming as it is, where users are all over the place with tablets and phones, PC gaming, older consoles, there isn't enough of a market to justify just releasing a generation of consoles that's beefier.
So either the Xbone is going to become a defining entertainment center that rules the TV entertainment space, or they're just not going to bother with console gaming.
And I think it kind of makes sense. Console gaming of the old sort, "Hey, let's turn on the Nintendo" might be coming to its end. Capture the entire television entertainment space, or just let it go.
I know that the lack of an announce price cut was disappointing but let's be fair. 360's are not $500.
(Please do not gift. My game bank is already full.)
Do you understand why this is a completely absurd point to take in a discussion about the potential problems of a new games console on an internet forum for a webcomic about videogames?
A soccer ball costs like $15 bucks and comes with no DRM at all! It even works when wet!
Edit: In any event, what an entirely asinine argument.
get off the stage!
Having faster RAM impacts how quickly you can get stuff to and from the processor, mostly, and it's really not a significant performance factor in most cases. Slower RAM means infinitesimally longer load times slightly more texture pop-in.
They're probably not wrong. The question is can a core focused game system actually reach levels of market penetration that make it worth developing AAA games for? When even the current gen with fairly large install base can't break even. Even if dev costs are only a small % higher, the margins at these levels are so thin.
Dunno, I think this decade is going to be an interesting, but maybe not in a good way.
As if someone would be interested in soccer and the XB One.
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Yeah. I realized that.
@Symtex
I understand you want to talk about games and focus on the more positive aspects of the console and all, but this is not the way to do it.
All you're doing is forcing the conversation back in the opposite direction.
My advice, introduce a new subject... if it floats, then it's meant to be. If it doesn't. Stop reading the thread for a bit, then come back and try again.
The thing is, current gen games are breaking even. Making money, even. Just not all of them, and the ones that are making money aren't necessarily making enough to cover for the ones that flop.
I've said it before, but the lesson from THQ isn't that dev costs are too high. The lesson from THQ is that dev costs are too high for shitty games because for some reason this generation we've gotten away from the idea that a game can be kinda bad but still worth picking up for $30.
Right now current-gen game sales are also having to help subsidize next-gen development, which doesn't help, but that's a factor that will largely disappear in November.
There are comedic aspects to the game, absolutely. There are moments of hilarious stupidity. The main thrust of it? Fucking dark. It is NOT a bright and cheery story by any stretch. So yeah, there are moments that go both ways: dark and gritty, fun and goofy. Trying to claim that the game's meter was pinned on the opposite end of "dark and gritty" means that you were even more blind than you are insinuating I was while playing it.
Meanwhile, someone tell me where the "Xbox One Thread in Which we are Excited About the Xbox One" is, please? It's like the pit of despair in here only without any hope of rescue by Inigo Montoya...
Plant Vs Zombie looks like a fun game I might pick up (never played it before) What do you guys think ?
This would be a much slower, but generally much better thread if that could be upheld.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
No dark and gritty cutscenes survives Frank Walking into the scene with the tightest hot pants imaginable, a cowboy hat and a top that shows 90% of his chest hair.
And again, the stories in the game are hilariously god damned dumb and probably rather deliberately. You can give your daughter a *tiger* in the second game if you know how. One of the psychos is a deranged Las Vegas club singer in S&M gear, a guy in a gimp costume, a mad clown with chainsaws and a group of survivors are confused DnD LARPers. Grim dark is hardly what the game is filled with.
It was far more colourful, interesting and full of dark comedy than most other games, which combined with the frantic nature of needing to keep ahead of the time limit was the entire charm. But oh yeah they now want to emphasise the "dark and gritty" quite literally, to the point where it doesn't feel like Dead Rising but any generic zombie game, "appealing to the Call of Duty crowd"*, removed the time limit that made the original games what they were (stuck it into some other mode) and of course, added pointless arm waggling as well.
The games soul is entirely gone from what I have seen and now been reading about it. I can walk away from that one.
*Hello what entirely made Resident Evil 6 a total mess.
That was written because nobody knew all the facts at that time and nobody knew what Sony were going to do with the PS4. So it was a bit of a nowhere conversation. Now we have those facts and know exactly what Sony is doing, so the discussion is certainly completely coherent to have again. Then again, it's not my decision and that was just my interpretation, Rorus may have an entirely different opinion and if he says to drop it, then it should be put away.
edit: I looked at that game and thought if Undead Labs had Capcom's budget and all... they'd have made the zombie survival game to end all zombie survival games.
Some of the weapons I saw him building were hilarious to me... like a sledgehammer with a circular saw duct taped on the end of the handle.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
It's like no one has ever heard of authenticating software with the disc. Or not installing all the content. You could install audio, textures, and meshes to the disc HDD still leave the executable and some of the other critical compute code on the disc. Or have some kind of predictive caching. There are so many ways to manage data that don't involve copying the entire disc to the HDD that I find it hard to believe this business about always-on DRM being the only way they could handle large amounts of data is anything more than damage control.
The best part is phone-home authentication isn't all that ridiculously hard to crack. Pirates figure out what the system is listening for, then spoof the signal. People who are intent enough on pirating games to take the steps that would be necessary to bypass disc authentication will be willing to spoof phone-home authentication, too.
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As for Kinect use, it really does need too large a room to be effective I find, but I don't want to dance about. The voice stuff works really well for me, but I have a fairly loud, deep voice. I'm not sure if that helps, and I speak English. I know that some people have complained about region settings causing some issues.
is a decent video demoing how it works - no more menus, or at least, a lot less menu usage. The current Kinect is unfortunately a cut down version with lower res and less processing power than Natal was originally intended to have, sounds like they've changed that for the new one. What irks me about it, is they're just now starting to do things like leaning in your chair causes your character to lean - I mean, who DOESN'T lean and twist and turn during stressful gameplay moments? It just seems like such a natural thing for the Kinect etc to make use of.
That was from when DRM and Used game policies were rumors and was to stop the thread from becoming nothing but speculation.
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Which is why I have zero confidence of them making a good Dead Rising game, it means to me instantly they have no idea why people enjoyed it in the first place.
I mean the trailer that made me buy a 360 was for Dead Rising. I think it was something utterly absurd, which was Frank on a tricycle in a ridiculous outfit running over zombies to the ghostbusters theme.
Its an odd time for them to take this stance, right on the eve of cable/network television losing ground to streaming options.
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The one thing I didn't like from the demo video was how many times the player character was like "Oh god" "Oh no" "Eek!" and whatnot... then he jumps into a car and just plows through EVERYTHING.
Sure. Except that crushes their direct-download sharing system, which is actually pretty boss.
Oooh. Tough call. I think you might be looking for the "Xbox One Thread for People Who Didn't Watch E3"? or the "Xbox One Thread in Which Consumers Put Their Fingers in Their Ears"?
...just kidding. Don't worry, the negativity will lessen somewhat in time. People are still emotional after the E3 hype.
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Not really, you being able to do a partial install doesn't affect the person you gift. They would just have to do a full install unless you also gave them the disc.
I think the intent is to become that streaming device that replaces the cable box. You'd still have your cable ISP and sub for content, but direct via the internet rather than HDMI in from the cable box.
Hence, I suspect, future subsidized options with your cable/ISP sub. Look: you can pay a bit more for a cable box that responds to voice control, has a la carte content, and plays the newest games too!
I don't know how many time, while watching netflix, I got a join party request from a friend to play a game. the ability to switch between Netflix and game instantly. Its going to be awesome.
NOte : I work for a TV/ISP provider. This is going to be interesting to see how TV stuff will develop in interest with our current IPTV solution
Because 90% of american households still pay for cable. It's down from 95% percent 7 years ago, but its really hard to put all of that on Netflix and Hulu and piracy, when peoples spending power has diminished and they start cutting luxuries.
If anything, Hulu and Netflix supplement peoples' already existing cable services. Netflix is a better on demand with a deeper library, and Hulu (when paired with your cable account) lets you stream episodes of shows you missed the night before.
Short of "enjoys sex" and "breathes air," I don't think you will find many other things in this country that 90% of people can get behind.
Cable is so far from dead at this point, and will still be a viable "feature" for xboxes and smart TVs to tap into five years from now.
Let's play Mario Kart or something...
For me it was a single image: Frank on a van in the tunnels surrounded by a shitload (which was probably more than 100, but not more than 199) of zombies. All the goofy stuff came later when I actually played it and loved that I could find my own balance between serious and goofy. They've barely shown us the game at all; writing it off at this point is incredibly premature. I remember thinking that DR2 was going to be far more dark and serious and ... well, tiger for your daughter. I think the way the main character was saying "OH CRAP!" at everything was a hint of that humor.
Also, they 100% know what people liked about it: they're not removing the original save/time system but making it optional. Addition by subtraction: they're making that part optional to allow more people to enjoy it while keeping it available for the hardcore fans. I'm sure they know exactly what people want from this.
Really, what turned me off was two main things "More serious" and "Call of Duty", both of which trigger alarm bells for me. Maybe they will come right, but everything I have heard so far has been an absolute turn off.
probably don't want to count on that
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/microsofts-xbox-one-edges-out-sonys-ps4-in-amazon-preorders-8652627.html
Well, some PS4 fans have been acting like Android users... you may be on to something. :P
I think they will in about 3 years. I think that's how long it will take before they announce a new, cheaper XB1 that is digital only, requires no online auth (since if you have to buy all your games online, auth will hap
That was written on Monday, prior to the press conferences when the real prices were announced. In the article, it clearly states that both systems were listed at $599. Let see what they are at next week when everything from both sides is on the table.
This almost made sense, until you realize that the PS4 apparently is able to come into the next-gen without forcing people to install on their HDD, which makes me wonder about these "hard performance limits" that Microsoft seemingly had trouble with that forced them to install their games to deal with.
At least with the PS4 you are still able to install your game if you want and take advantage of the faster speeds. It is the difference between giving the consumer options, and forcing it down their throat.
If the PS4 also required installation to deal with "hard performance issues" I would most likely believe Microsofts claim that that was the solution.
But that does not appear to be the case, so I'm calling it bullshit.
That's not to say that the other features the Xbone is offering aren't enticing, they certainly are, but to me those extra features are not worth supporting the other bullshit things they are forcing, and certainly not worth paying an extra $100 for on TOP of that.
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I think that this was the first trailer:
How you get "Serious" out of that, well, I have no idea. Honestly I am not sure about how I feel about the removal of the time limit, I have always been a very vocal supporter of it for precisely how it dictates the gameplay. The games were also superbly balanced around it as a concept, something that making it optional may be entirely lost in Dead Rising 3. I don't see that as a good thing.
Oh and exactly what hardcore fans wanted was waggling your arms with the kinect? Really? That's what you wanted? Hehe, you might want to actually have a read of that article mate.
The Xbox One only has a "Day One" edition up though, and it's not sold out.
Just looked, relevant ranks as follows (Source)
1: Playstation 4 Launch Edition
2: Xbox One Day One Edition
3: Playstation 4 Standard Edition
4: The Last of us
5: Dualshock4 Controller
6: Xbox One Standard Edition