Criminal Intent is the worst Law and Order spinoff.
Also Thaox has been shown to be retardo in the past so I am willing to believe he is just being retardo about SVU as well.
Retardo.
I think I have a pretty legitimate case. One episode, this guy was paying men to have sex with his wife while he watched. His daughter had been bound blindfolded and raped to the point where she had cervical dysplasia and if that wasn't enough, somehow the semen of the men which her father was paying to have sex with her mom was winding up in her (the daughter's) uterus.
This kind of demented shit is good television?
Edit : The daughter was like 12
Yeah because they totally didn't take advantage of the daughter.
Why is it that the most successful shows on television are about lawyers, cops, and doctors? Anything else usually fails after a few seasons unless it has a cult audience.
Why is it that the most successful shows on television are about lawyers, cops, and doctors? Anything else usually fails after a few seasons unless it has a cult audience.
Because a lot of people are already everything else. Only a smaller percentage of people go through the schooling necessary to become lawyers and doctors, so a wider audience can lose themselves in the characters.
Or something like that, I'm not sure, but maybe you see what I'm getting at.
Criminal Intent is the worst Law and Order spinoff.
Also Thaox has been shown to be retardo in the past so I am willing to believe he is just being retardo about SVU as well.
Retardo.
I think I have a pretty legitimate case. One episode, this guy was paying men to have sex with his wife while he watched. His daughter had been bound blindfolded and raped to the point where she had cervical dysplasia and if that wasn't enough, somehow the semen of the men which her father was paying to have sex with her mom was winding up in her (the daughter's) uterus.
This kind of demented shit is good television?
Edit : The daughter was like 12
Yeah because they totally didn't take advantage of the daughter.
I think i'm failing to understand your point. If they were the ones doing the raping the plot mightbe a little less sick and twisted (only a little bit), and possibly more believable.
Are you implying that because the plot was sick twisted and not very believable it was good TV?
Criminal Intent is the worst Law and Order spinoff.
Also Thaox has been shown to be retardo in the past so I am willing to believe he is just being retardo about SVU as well.
Retardo.
I think I have a pretty legitimate case. One episode, this guy was paying men to have sex with his wife while he watched. His daughter had been bound blindfolded and raped to the point where she had cervical dysplasia and if that wasn't enough, somehow the semen of the men which her father was paying to have sex with her mom was winding up in her (the daughter's) uterus.
This kind of demented shit is good television?
Edit : The daughter was like 12
I know what episode you speak of. Though it's fucked up (it's supposed to be) I don't understand what you are complaining about. It didn't "somehow" end up in the daughter. Everything was explained in the end.
Criminal Intent is the worst Law and Order spinoff.
Also Thaox has been shown to be retardo in the past so I am willing to believe he is just being retardo about SVU as well.
Retardo.
I think I have a pretty legitimate case. One episode, this guy was paying men to have sex with his wife while he watched. His daughter had been bound blindfolded and raped to the point where she had cervical dysplasia and if that wasn't enough, somehow the semen of the men which her father was paying to have sex with her mom was winding up in her (the daughter's) uterus.
This kind of demented shit is good television?
Edit : The daughter was like 12
I know what episode you speak of. Though it's fucked up (it's supposed to be) I don't understand what you are complaining about. It didn't "somehow" end up in the daughter. Everything was explained in the end.
Yes I know. Really all i'm saying is that "fucked up" formulaic plot lines about horrendous atrocities (child rape. Brutal murder etc.) Just aren't my thing. I'd rather watch firefly, scrubs or w/e
Criminal Intent is the worst Law and Order spinoff.
Also Thaox has been shown to be retardo in the past so I am willing to believe he is just being retardo about SVU as well.
Retardo.
I think I have a pretty legitimate case. One episode, this guy was paying men to have sex with his wife while he watched. His daughter had been bound blindfolded and raped to the point where she had cervical dysplasia and if that wasn't enough, somehow the semen of the men which her father was paying to have sex with her mom was winding up in her (the daughter's) uterus.
This kind of demented shit is good television?
Edit : The daughter was like 12
I know what episode you speak of. Though it's fucked up (it's supposed to be) I don't understand what you are complaining about. It didn't "somehow" end up in the daughter. Everything was explained in the end.
Yes I know. Really all i'm saying is that "fucked up" formulaic plot lines about horrendous atrocities (child rape. Brutal murder etc.) Just aren't my thing. I'd rather watch firefly, scrubs or w/e
So you problem is not with the show, but with the show's content.
Geez it really sounds like Thoax has a solid point here.
The regular L&O is really good, if a bit "ripped from this week's headlines."
I've seen one or two SVU episodes, not enough to form a solid opinion, but I could really really see Thoax being right on the mark.
EDIT: It sounds like his problem isn't just the content; it's that the show has nothing of merit to add to the original EXCEPT for brutal child rapes and shit like that.
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That's fine but you really shouldn't bitch when the crimes are identified as "especially heinous" in the first 5 seconds of every episode and then turn out to be just that. Just say it isn't for you.
For instance, I can recognize Scrubs is not a bad show because it features talented actors and has some funny plot lines. It's just not for me because I find some of the situations a little too zany.
Geez it really sounds like Thoax has a solid point here.
The regular L&O is really good, if a bit "ripped from this week's headlines."
I've seen one or two SVU episodes, not enough to form a solid opinion, but I could really really see Thoax being right on the mark.
EDIT: It sounds like his problem isn't just the content; it's that the show has nothing of merit to add to the original EXCEPT for brutal child rapes and shit like that.
Add to the original? What does that mean? It's a stand alone show. I don't get what you are saying here. And it isn't just the crimes here that are different. The police work and the relationship between the DA office and the detectives is entirely different as well. You obviously haven't seen enough of it.
t Thaox I was not talking about the side of the rapists, in fact I wasn't necessarily talking about SVU at all.
I was talking about the reason people watch shows about doctors and lawyers, for example, is because not too many people are lawyers and doctors themselves (takes more education and money to achieve this, so it's a smaller percentage of the population).
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
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Well I watch it to see the side of the rapists. I don't have the money or the schooling for that racket.
Geez it really sounds like Thoax has a solid point here.
The regular L&O is really good, if a bit "ripped from this week's headlines."
I've seen one or two SVU episodes, not enough to form a solid opinion, but I could really really see Thoax being right on the mark.
EDIT: It sounds like his problem isn't just the content; it's that the show has nothing of merit to add to the original EXCEPT for brutal child rapes and shit like that.
Add to the original? What does that mean? It's a stand alone show. I don't get what you are saying here. And it isn't just the crimes here that are different. The police work and the relationship between the DA office and the detectives is entirely different as well. You obviously haven't seen enough of it.
Yeah...I actually just said that I haven't seen enough of it to form a solid opinion.
"Adds to the original" refers to the fact that it's not really a "stand-alone show" so much as a "spinoff." It borrows the world that was created by the original show and puts in new plotlines, new characters, etc. to build a similar show. Thoax's argument seems to be that, aside from "more heinous crimes," the spinoff isn't really doing anything special; thus its only contribution appears to be "X-TrEmE cHiLd RaPe" shock value and not anything of merit.
Well I watch it to see the side of the rapists. I don't have the money or the schooling for that racket.
haha
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ButtersA glass of some milksRegistered Userregular
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No it really offers a lot more on the character side. The crimes take a toll on each of the characters in a different way and you often get to see how each one of them tries to handle it. The only thing similar is the half law and half order blueprint.
I want to see an episode of SVU that is just Elliot daydreaming of beating up pedos all day.
I don't know if it has been mentioned but the SVU episode that was basically just Elliot involved in a long, intense interrogation was insanely good. Probably one of the best of any L&O episode.
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L&O: This has the most standards of set-ups.
Law
0-10 minutes in: Figure out the crime and crime scene
10-20 minutes in: Locate possible suspects and accuse everyone
20-30 minutes in: Get enough solid evidence to convict someone.
Order
30-40 minutes in: Get some evidence tossed out
40-50 minutes in: For some reason the lawyers and doing detective work, and getting more evidence
50-60 minutes in: Blow that defense attourney out of the fucking water.
This can be kind of stale, but its alright.
SVU, now, is a different story. SVU still has the Law and Order types, buy they don't follow a plot outline. I've seen SVU episodes with the court sessions at the begining, I've seen them with them right in the middle. Its more of a toss up as to whats happening.
I saw one the other day, that started with the court session, and the rest of the show was trying to link him to as many murders as possible. (legitmately of course). I like SVU more because it has less predictability.
Munch is freaking awesome.
CI can burn in hell. Zomg, he is using pickles as a visual aid for connecting the dots... HE is genius!
Edit: Oh, and that episode you were talking about with the 12-year old ending up with semen in her, even though it was her mother having the sex...
If you watched, you'd see the Dad is obsessed with a constant flow of children, because he's sterile, and he was actually taking the semen from outside of his wife (since she had a recent historectomy), putting it into a syringe and injecting it into his daughters uterus, in hopes of getting her pregnant. Also, she wasn't 12, she was closer to 15.
See, but...no. You don't want to watch what a doctor or lawyer REALLY does. You want to watch some retarded shit like Grey's Anatomy where everyone is dressed in scrubs and they say shit like "this person has <Latin Greek Latin> Syndrome...that means that their bones will rot from the inside" and then have dramatic and inappropriate relationships that in reality would (1) never happen and (2) get them fired SO GODDAMN FAST and cause a sexual harrassment suit. Most of these "doctor" shows aren't really about doctors or medicine or ANYTHING inherently related to the premise. They're just shitty, retarded soap-opera-quality stories (thinking Grey's Anatomy here) where the characters are dressed like medical professionals.
EDIT: Law & Order is obviously excluded from this; its plotlines really do revolve around the legal system and issues related to it.
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See, but...no. You don't want to watch what a doctor or lawyer REALLY does. You want to watch some retarded shit like Grey's Anatomy where everyone is dressed in scrubs and they say shit like "this person has <Latin Greek Latin> Syndrome...that means that their bones will rot from the inside" and then have dramatic and inappropriate relationships that in reality would (1) never happen and (2) get them fired SO GODDAMN FAST and cause a sexual harrassment suit. Most of these "doctor" shows aren't really about doctors or medicine or ANYTHING inherently related to the premise. They're just shitty, retarded soap-opera-quality stories (thinking Grey's Anatomy here) where the characters are dressed like medical professionals.
Wanna know something sad?
I've talked to female residents before who claim that all the stupid bullshit in Grey's Anatomy is very close to what really goes on.
I'm sorry but I just don't believe that. Not even close. I'm pretty sure that these people are seeing superficial similarities and then saying "yeah, that happens all the time!"
I mean I bet that sometimes two people who work together go out on dates. Sure. And I bet that sometimes, people's relatives come in for treatment. And there are probably even cases where two people share an apartment, like at the beginning of Scrubs, because they're friends and went to med school together or something. But the kind of bullshit that goes on there? All the important men going on a camping trip together? Persistent, unwanted sexual advances on any attractive intern by a series of men who are not disgusting and creepy and threatening? No. Sorry. Not buying this. I'm pretty sure that the reason these females are saying this is because they want their lives to be more dramatic and interesting, and they see vague similarities between their jobs and the show's setting.
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I'm sorry but I just don't believe that. Not even close. I'm pretty sure that these people are seeing superficial similarities and then saying "yeah, that happens all the time!"
I mean I bet that sometimes two people who work together go out on dates. Sure. And I bet that sometimes, people's relatives come in for treatment. And there are probably even cases where two people share an apartment, like at the beginning of Scrubs, because they're friends and went to med school together or something. But the kind of bullshit that goes on there? All the important men going on a camping trip together? Persistent, unwanted sexual advances on any attractive intern by a series of men who are not disgusting and creepy and threatening? No. Sorry. Not buying this. I'm pretty sure that the reason these females are saying this is because they want their lives to be more dramatic and interesting, and they see vague similarities between their jobs and the show's setting.
Ive also heard from someone who had a friend who was interning at a hospital that it was a point in her life when she was having the most sex she's ever gotten
Geez it really sounds like Thoax has a solid point here.
The regular L&O is really good, if a bit "ripped from this week's headlines."
I've seen one or two SVU episodes, not enough to form a solid opinion, but I could really really see Thoax being right on the mark.
EDIT: It sounds like his problem isn't just the content; it's that the show has nothing of merit to add to the original EXCEPT for brutal child rapes and shit like that.
Add to the original? What does that mean? It's a stand alone show. I don't get what you are saying here. And it isn't just the crimes here that are different. The police work and the relationship between the DA office and the detectives is entirely different as well. You obviously haven't seen enough of it.
Yeah...I actually just said that I haven't seen enough of it to form a solid opinion.
"Adds to the original" refers to the fact that it's not really a "stand-alone show" so much as a "spinoff." It borrows the world that was created by the original show and puts in new plotlines, new characters, etc. to build a similar show. Thoax's argument seems to be that, aside from "more heinous crimes," the spinoff isn't really doing anything special; thus its only contribution appears to be "X-TrEmE cHiLd RaPe" shock value and not anything of merit.
Precisely. Also as I stated earlier I find it to be formulaic. Not neccesarily as in this will be taking place 10 minutes in and then this will take place 20 minutes in, but more that the same thing happens every time . As defender said the only thing it has to offer is that somebody can dream up some of the most rediculous and disgusting situations. To back this up with more than having just viewed 4 episodes from a single season I did a little research .... this is my story. (dun dun)
Spoilered for length.
Ritual (2/3/04)
The investigation into the death of a young boy who appears to be the victim of a ritualistic killing leads to the discovery that he was one of many children smuggled from Nigeria to be sold into slavery.
Families (2/10/04)
The investigation into the death of a pregnant teenager exposes a long-held family secret which precipitates another violent death and the destruction of two families
Mean (2/24/04)
The conviction of a group of sociopathic high school bullies who turned one of their own from a victimizer into a torture murder victim escalates the systematic peer abuse at their exclusive private school, leading to further tragedy.
See what I mean? I understand that heinous crimes is the premise of the show (and they stick to that very well) but that doesn't make it a good premise. It can be just as interesting as any "whodunit" without involving a guy having his dick cut off in the subway. The only thing special it has to offer is grotesque crimes, and if I wanted to see those I would have volunteered with the red cross in darfur.
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Yeah because they totally didn't take advantage of the daughter.
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Because a lot of people are already everything else. Only a smaller percentage of people go through the schooling necessary to become lawyers and doctors, so a wider audience can lose themselves in the characters.
Or something like that, I'm not sure, but maybe you see what I'm getting at.
I think i'm failing to understand your point. If they were the ones doing the raping the plot mightbe a little less sick and twisted (only a little bit), and possibly more believable.
Are you implying that because the plot was sick twisted and not very believable it was good TV?
Who wants to watch a show about nothing?
I know what episode you speak of. Though it's fucked up (it's supposed to be) I don't understand what you are complaining about. It didn't "somehow" end up in the daughter. Everything was explained in the end.
Yes I know. Really all i'm saying is that "fucked up" formulaic plot lines about horrendous atrocities (child rape. Brutal murder etc.) Just aren't my thing. I'd rather watch firefly, scrubs or w/e
So you problem is not with the show, but with the show's content.
The regular L&O is really good, if a bit "ripped from this week's headlines."
I've seen one or two SVU episodes, not enough to form a solid opinion, but I could really really see Thoax being right on the mark.
EDIT: It sounds like his problem isn't just the content; it's that the show has nothing of merit to add to the original EXCEPT for brutal child rapes and shit like that.
For instance, I can recognize Scrubs is not a bad show because it features talented actors and has some funny plot lines. It's just not for me because I find some of the situations a little too zany.
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Add to the original? What does that mean? It's a stand alone show. I don't get what you are saying here. And it isn't just the crimes here that are different. The police work and the relationship between the DA office and the detectives is entirely different as well. You obviously haven't seen enough of it.
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He was in an episode of SVU too. He played a sex offender who's MO was too lure children with a clown outfit.
hahaha
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I was talking about the reason people watch shows about doctors and lawyers, for example, is because not too many people are lawyers and doctors themselves (takes more education and money to achieve this, so it's a smaller percentage of the population).
Yeah...I actually just said that I haven't seen enough of it to form a solid opinion.
"Adds to the original" refers to the fact that it's not really a "stand-alone show" so much as a "spinoff." It borrows the world that was created by the original show and puts in new plotlines, new characters, etc. to build a similar show. Thoax's argument seems to be that, aside from "more heinous crimes," the spinoff isn't really doing anything special; thus its only contribution appears to be "X-TrEmE cHiLd RaPe" shock value and not anything of merit.
haha
That is all.
Or really doing it!
I don't know if it has been mentioned but the SVU episode that was basically just Elliot involved in a long, intense interrogation was insanely good. Probably one of the best of any L&O episode.
Law
0-10 minutes in: Figure out the crime and crime scene
10-20 minutes in: Locate possible suspects and accuse everyone
20-30 minutes in: Get enough solid evidence to convict someone.
Order
30-40 minutes in: Get some evidence tossed out
40-50 minutes in: For some reason the lawyers and doing detective work, and getting more evidence
50-60 minutes in: Blow that defense attourney out of the fucking water.
This can be kind of stale, but its alright.
SVU, now, is a different story. SVU still has the Law and Order types, buy they don't follow a plot outline. I've seen SVU episodes with the court sessions at the begining, I've seen them with them right in the middle. Its more of a toss up as to whats happening.
I saw one the other day, that started with the court session, and the rest of the show was trying to link him to as many murders as possible. (legitmately of course). I like SVU more because it has less predictability.
Munch is freaking awesome.
CI can burn in hell. Zomg, he is using pickles as a visual aid for connecting the dots... HE is genius!
Edit: Oh, and that episode you were talking about with the 12-year old ending up with semen in her, even though it was her mother having the sex...
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See, but...no. You don't want to watch what a doctor or lawyer REALLY does. You want to watch some retarded shit like Grey's Anatomy where everyone is dressed in scrubs and they say shit like "this person has <Latin Greek Latin> Syndrome...that means that their bones will rot from the inside" and then have dramatic and inappropriate relationships that in reality would (1) never happen and (2) get them fired SO GODDAMN FAST and cause a sexual harrassment suit. Most of these "doctor" shows aren't really about doctors or medicine or ANYTHING inherently related to the premise. They're just shitty, retarded soap-opera-quality stories (thinking Grey's Anatomy here) where the characters are dressed like medical professionals.
EDIT: Law & Order is obviously excluded from this; its plotlines really do revolve around the legal system and issues related to it.
Wanna know something sad?
I've talked to female residents before who claim that all the stupid bullshit in Grey's Anatomy is very close to what really goes on.
Are famous figures going to clamor for walk on roles now ?
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I saw an episode with Will Arnett
that was kind of wacky
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I mean I bet that sometimes two people who work together go out on dates. Sure. And I bet that sometimes, people's relatives come in for treatment. And there are probably even cases where two people share an apartment, like at the beginning of Scrubs, because they're friends and went to med school together or something. But the kind of bullshit that goes on there? All the important men going on a camping trip together? Persistent, unwanted sexual advances on any attractive intern by a series of men who are not disgusting and creepy and threatening? No. Sorry. Not buying this. I'm pretty sure that the reason these females are saying this is because they want their lives to be more dramatic and interesting, and they see vague similarities between their jobs and the show's setting.
Yup, I remember the lead singer of "Sugar Ray" doing a 15 second part as a bar owner in an episode of SVU.
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Ive also heard from someone who had a friend who was interning at a hospital that it was a point in her life when she was having the most sex she's ever gotten
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it's like a 50/50 chance of guessing the ending, with the occasional trick up their sleeve
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Precisely. Also as I stated earlier I find it to be formulaic. Not neccesarily as in this will be taking place 10 minutes in and then this will take place 20 minutes in, but more that the same thing happens every time . As defender said the only thing it has to offer is that somebody can dream up some of the most rediculous and disgusting situations. To back this up with more than having just viewed 4 episodes from a single season I did a little research .... this is my story. (dun dun)
Spoilered for length.
The investigation into the death of a young boy who appears to be the victim of a ritualistic killing leads to the discovery that he was one of many children smuggled from Nigeria to be sold into slavery.
Families (2/10/04)
The investigation into the death of a pregnant teenager exposes a long-held family secret which precipitates another violent death and the destruction of two families
Mean (2/24/04)
The conviction of a group of sociopathic high school bullies who turned one of their own from a victimizer into a torture murder victim escalates the systematic peer abuse at their exclusive private school, leading to further tragedy.
Ref : http://www.answers.com/topic/law-order-special-victims-unit-season-5
See what I mean? I understand that heinous crimes is the premise of the show (and they stick to that very well) but that doesn't make it a good premise. It can be just as interesting as any "whodunit" without involving a guy having his dick cut off in the subway. The only thing special it has to offer is grotesque crimes, and if I wanted to see those I would have volunteered with the red cross in darfur.