After the massive PSN hack a while back, I would never, in a million years, have guessed the next PlayStation thread is sinking down in pages because it's an echo chamber of "man, this looks awesome!", as the next XBox thread is constantly at the top because of privacy concerns.
What an outrageous testament to both companies abilities to market themselves.
That said - I am very excited to play Doki Doki Universe with you all now that Ive watched the trailer. The PS4 (well, the PS3 and Vita as well) are really giving me a Sega Dreamcast vibe now that I look closely at the content. A lot of niche titles, a lot of Japanese stuff I wouldn't normally see. I very much like it.
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You know I'm going to be honest, here. I feel a bit cheated by both Microsoft and Sony at this point.
This is the first real console war in like a decade. Only this time, it's less "Saving Private Ryan", and more "300". Not even that, in fact, it's more like "Taps".
It's hardly even a fight. And by the next war, I'll be the console war equivalent of an old man, 4F, unable to take to the battlefield.
Thanks a lot, MicroSony. You assholes. A man should die with honor, on the field of battle.
Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Months.
I don't think Microsoft is going to concede the launch war that easily, either.
Funny enough, after the PSN hack, I just had my card cancelled and was sent a new one. No problems at all. Of course, then my new card was immediately "borrowed" by a waiter at Red Lobster in the only time I used it and I had to get another card sent within weeks of the first request.
So, I maybe have more issues with Red Lobster than Sony.
Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Months.
I don't think Microsoft is going to concede the launch war that easily, either.
On one hand you are right, Microsoft is a large company with lots of resources that they can bring to bear. But on the other hand if you look at the Windows 8 launch they are also very arrogant and not likely to listen to potential customers. It will be interesting to see how they respond but I am not sure that it will be how consumers would like them to.
Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Not just that, but Microsoft's long game is actually pretty good. Yeah, they fucked up and tried to garble together a bunch of toxic polices that turn physical media into digital. But - huge but here - their digital polices are actually not all that bad! Minus the 24-hour connectivity requirement. a number of their digital policies are actually pretty progressive. Look at their family plan, or their digital game lending plan. Nothing like that exists in the video game digital marketplace. Not even Steam lets you do anything like that. If they built in a way to sell your digital license to someone else, oh boy, look out. That would be a fairly big game changer for digital media.
Honestly, if Microsoft comes out weak out of launch, I'm sure they will start throwing money to secure either exclusives, timed exclusives, or bonus content. And I won't blame them - it's how you make people more interested in the product.
The price of buying those exclusives goes up by the day, though. Right now, the PS3 and Xbox 360 have sold almost identical numbers of units over their lifetimes. Going into next-gen there's nothing between them, so projections of sales figures for games are completely even. Split right down the middle.
After six months, if the Xbox One or the PS4 has a 10 or 20% edge over the other, the third party developers will be harder to convince to go to the losing side. Certainly in an exclusive capacity. That's why Final Fantasy came to Xbox, and Metal Gear before that.
There's still the problem of lack of content now, especially when they're pissing away Indys, even successful ones and still doing the publisher-required/limited slots/exorbitant patching fees model. It's kinda amazing when games like the new Oddworld (who's devs heavily supported the original XBox) are releasing for every system that exists and can run the game except the 360/XBoned. PC/Mac/Linux/PS3/PS4/Vita/WiiU, but no Microsoft.
And then on the other side you have Sony that has removed all barriers for indie gaming, and is relentlessly courting them. It's had Nintendo re-think their policies and follow suit as well. And it's forward thinking. As the 'every game as a AAA game' model continues to become unsustainable the indie market keeps growing and growing and growing and growing.
Oh certainly, "moneyhatting" only has a certain time limit where it's viable. I'd say Microsoft or Sony has maybe a year window in which they could do that and bump their numbers. After that, they probably have to push new features or services. How long did the "gather short-term exclusive content" really last this current gen? The first two years? I know GTA4's expansions got the moneyhat.
Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Not just that, but Microsoft's long game is actually pretty good. Yeah, they fucked up and tried to garble together a bunch of toxic polices that turn physical media into digital. But - huge but here - their digital polices are actually not all that bad! Minus the 24-hour connectivity requirement. a number of their digital policies are actually pretty progressive. Look at their family plan, or their digital game lending plan. Nothing like that exists in the video game digital marketplace. Not even Steam lets you do anything like that. If they built in a way to sell your digital license to someone else, oh boy, look out. That would be a fairly big game changer for digital media.
I agree with you here. Its why I expect that in three years we will see an Xbox1 that is Digital only, no Blu-Ray drive, with the added benefit of not having the 24-hour check in required. If they remove the kinect requirement too (which they should be able to do since they'll have a large enough install base at that point) they will have a real system seller. I know I'd buy one at that point.
Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Not just that, but Microsoft's long game is actually pretty good. Yeah, they fucked up and tried to garble together a bunch of toxic polices that turn physical media into digital. But - huge but here - their digital polices are actually not all that bad! Minus the 24-hour connectivity requirement. a number of their digital policies are actually pretty progressive. Look at their family plan, or their digital game lending plan. Nothing like that exists in the video game digital marketplace. Not even Steam lets you do anything like that. If they built in a way to sell your digital license to someone else, oh boy, look out. That would be a fairly big game changer for digital media.
I agree with you here. Its why I expect that in three years we will see an Xbox1 that is Digital only, no Blu-Ray drive, with the added benefit of not having the 24-hour check in required. If they remove the kinect requirement too (which they should be able to do since they'll have a large enough install base at that point) they will have a real system seller. I know I'd buy one at that point.
I disagree based on the bolded; if you want your device to be the center of the living room and the frontman for cable TV, you don't remove BD Playback.
Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Not just that, but Microsoft's long game is actually pretty good. Yeah, they fucked up and tried to garble together a bunch of toxic polices that turn physical media into digital. But - huge but here - their digital polices are actually not all that bad! Minus the 24-hour connectivity requirement. a number of their digital policies are actually pretty progressive. Look at their family plan, or their digital game lending plan. Nothing like that exists in the video game digital marketplace. Not even Steam lets you do anything like that. If they built in a way to sell your digital license to someone else, oh boy, look out. That would be a fairly big game changer for digital media.
I agree with you here. Its why I expect that in three years we will see an Xbox1 that is Digital only, no Blu-Ray drive, with the added benefit of not having the 24-hour check in required. If they remove the kinect requirement too (which they should be able to do since they'll have a large enough install base at that point) they will have a real system seller. I know I'd buy one at that point.
I disagree based on the bolded; if you want your device to be the center of the living room and the frontman for cable TV, you don't remove BD Playback.
You do when you are switching everything to digital. You get the blu-ray drive out of there and stream video in HD instead. Its the direction everything is moving in, and Microsoft seems to want to be the first people there.
I have no doubt that Microsoft will throw money at the problem(s). And, really, the 24-hour check-in could easily be removed via firmware update. I don't have faith in them handling digital titles. I simply find it hard to believe that they'll be like Steam, and I'll have access to all of my titles in perpetuity, where even with the Xtwo, or whatever shitty name they give their next box, I'll be able to simply login, re-download, and continue on as though nothing happened. Frankly, they haven't earned that trust, so a pure digital marketplace through them isn't as appealing as it would be otherwise would be.
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Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Not just that, but Microsoft's long game is actually pretty good. Yeah, they fucked up and tried to garble together a bunch of toxic polices that turn physical media into digital. But - huge but here - their digital polices are actually not all that bad! Minus the 24-hour connectivity requirement. a number of their digital policies are actually pretty progressive. Look at their family plan, or their digital game lending plan. Nothing like that exists in the video game digital marketplace. Not even Steam lets you do anything like that. If they built in a way to sell your digital license to someone else, oh boy, look out. That would be a fairly big game changer for digital media.
I agree with you here. Its why I expect that in three years we will see an Xbox1 that is Digital only, no Blu-Ray drive, with the added benefit of not having the 24-hour check in required. If they remove the kinect requirement too (which they should be able to do since they'll have a large enough install base at that point) they will have a real system seller. I know I'd buy one at that point.
I disagree based on the bolded; if you want your device to be the center of the living room and the frontman for cable TV, you don't remove BD Playback.
You do when you are switching everything to digital. You get the blu-ray drive out of there and stream video in HD instead. Its the direction everything is moving in, and Microsoft seems to want to be the first people there.
People that pay for cable TV collect disc-based movie libraries. Also, streaming isn't up to the quality of bluray yet; I know Netflix is rolling out 'SuperHD' on a very small number of networks, but for the vast majority of the US (Microsoft's primary target audience), the internet bandwidth simply isn't there.
I have no doubt that Microsoft will throw money at the problem(s). And, really, the 24-hour check-in could easily be removed via firmware update. I don't have faith in them handling digital titles. I simply find it hard to believe that they'll be like Steam, and I'll have access to all of my titles in perpetuity, where even with the Xtwo, or whatever shitty name they give their next box, I'll be able to simply login, re-download, and continue on as though nothing happened. Frankly, they haven't earned that trust, so a pure digital marketplace through them isn't as appealing as it would be otherwise would be.
You're absolutely right about this. That's why they bit off more than they could chew. They want us to buy into both their digital marketplace and their always online philosophy, but they haven't been able to demonstrate yet how those are good things for us. Without proven efforts in both those regions, it's hard for us to envision their cloud based future. We'll have to wait and see though. If they can get everything working, stable, and user friendly - they'll have a really strong backbone going into middle of this gen.
I dont believe Microsoft will ever offer any sort of Steam like pricing just because after 10 years on the system, I'm tired of getting a ton of "Well, its free for PS3 and for PC but we have to charge 400 points for it over here." content.
I just paid $3.75 for Unfinished Swan. I have never seen any game discounted that heavily on XBL (ok, maybe like 3 times in the history of the service. I recall some nutty Christmastime sales. But the PSN sales are weekly).
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Also AC: Liberation really isn't that good. Mention it over in the Vita friend, you'll probably get a range of replies, some like it, some don't. I didn't really.
Oh, give it time, Gandalf. Sony won the opening salvo, but just wait. MS has resources; they're not going to go quietly into the night. Expect the next few years to see all kinds of media deals, cross-promotion, advertising, etc.
Not just that, but Microsoft's long game is actually pretty good. Yeah, they fucked up and tried to garble together a bunch of toxic polices that turn physical media into digital. But - huge but here - their digital polices are actually not all that bad! Minus the 24-hour connectivity requirement. a number of their digital policies are actually pretty progressive. Look at their family plan, or their digital game lending plan. Nothing like that exists in the video game digital marketplace. Not even Steam lets you do anything like that. If they built in a way to sell your digital license to someone else, oh boy, look out. That would be a fairly big game changer for digital media.
That Family game share thing is pretty rad. Microsoft should be shouting it from the rooftops. I mean, its no PS+ but it still sounds cool.
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The misreporting of xbox policy and strategy works both ways. I have a sneaking suspicion that the family share just happens to be another not quite decided on policy that is working in their favor for once. That's why they're not correcting it, but not really commenting either.
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The misreporting of xbox policy and strategy works both ways. I have a sneaking suspicion that the family share just happens to be another not quite decided on policy that is working in their favor for once. That's why they're not correcting it, but not really commenting either.
Pretty much. I bet the family share thing has enough as yet unrevealed fineprint and gotchas to fill a small warehouse.
The misreporting of xbox policy and strategy works both ways. I have a sneaking suspicion that the family share just happens to be another not quite decided on policy that is working in their favor for once. That's why they're not correcting it, but not really commenting either.
Pretty much. I bet the family share thing has enough as yet unrevealed fineprint and gotchas to fill a small warehouse.
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For me, the console "war" was never about which one I'd own lone term (I make no allusions, I will own both)...it was about which one I will own first, and thus hitch my wagon of primary console to. Just like this generation, I have both a 360 and a PS3, but the 360 was always my "primary console".
I'll end up with an XBone in my living room at some point, but it won't be my primary console. Sony won that right this generation, barring some major changes between now and the release of both systems.
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What an outrageous testament to both companies abilities to market themselves.
That said - I am very excited to play Doki Doki Universe with you all now that Ive watched the trailer. The PS4 (well, the PS3 and Vita as well) are really giving me a Sega Dreamcast vibe now that I look closely at the content. A lot of niche titles, a lot of Japanese stuff I wouldn't normally see. I very much like it.
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This is the first real console war in like a decade. Only this time, it's less "Saving Private Ryan", and more "300". Not even that, in fact, it's more like "Taps".
It's hardly even a fight. And by the next war, I'll be the console war equivalent of an old man, 4F, unable to take to the battlefield.
Thanks a lot, MicroSony. You assholes. A man should die with honor, on the field of battle.
Some of you new Vita owners should hang out with us at the Vita thread too.
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Months.
I don't think Microsoft is going to concede the launch war that easily, either.
So, I maybe have more issues with Red Lobster than Sony.
On one hand you are right, Microsoft is a large company with lots of resources that they can bring to bear. But on the other hand if you look at the Windows 8 launch they are also very arrogant and not likely to listen to potential customers. It will be interesting to see how they respond but I am not sure that it will be how consumers would like them to.
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Not just that, but Microsoft's long game is actually pretty good. Yeah, they fucked up and tried to garble together a bunch of toxic polices that turn physical media into digital. But - huge but here - their digital polices are actually not all that bad! Minus the 24-hour connectivity requirement. a number of their digital policies are actually pretty progressive. Look at their family plan, or their digital game lending plan. Nothing like that exists in the video game digital marketplace. Not even Steam lets you do anything like that. If they built in a way to sell your digital license to someone else, oh boy, look out. That would be a fairly big game changer for digital media.
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Microsoft saved your life when you lost your legs in 'Nam, and now you run their successful shrimping business?
After six months, if the Xbox One or the PS4 has a 10 or 20% edge over the other, the third party developers will be harder to convince to go to the losing side. Certainly in an exclusive capacity. That's why Final Fantasy came to Xbox, and Metal Gear before that.
And then on the other side you have Sony that has removed all barriers for indie gaming, and is relentlessly courting them. It's had Nintendo re-think their policies and follow suit as well. And it's forward thinking. As the 'every game as a AAA game' model continues to become unsustainable the indie market keeps growing and growing and growing and growing.
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I agree with you here. Its why I expect that in three years we will see an Xbox1 that is Digital only, no Blu-Ray drive, with the added benefit of not having the 24-hour check in required. If they remove the kinect requirement too (which they should be able to do since they'll have a large enough install base at that point) they will have a real system seller. I know I'd buy one at that point.
I disagree based on the bolded; if you want your device to be the center of the living room and the frontman for cable TV, you don't remove BD Playback.
You do when you are switching everything to digital. You get the blu-ray drive out of there and stream video in HD instead. Its the direction everything is moving in, and Microsoft seems to want to be the first people there.
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People that pay for cable TV collect disc-based movie libraries. Also, streaming isn't up to the quality of bluray yet; I know Netflix is rolling out 'SuperHD' on a very small number of networks, but for the vast majority of the US (Microsoft's primary target audience), the internet bandwidth simply isn't there.
You're absolutely right about this. That's why they bit off more than they could chew. They want us to buy into both their digital marketplace and their always online philosophy, but they haven't been able to demonstrate yet how those are good things for us. Without proven efforts in both those regions, it's hard for us to envision their cloud based future. We'll have to wait and see though. If they can get everything working, stable, and user friendly - they'll have a really strong backbone going into middle of this gen.
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I just paid $3.75 for Unfinished Swan. I have never seen any game discounted that heavily on XBL (ok, maybe like 3 times in the history of the service. I recall some nutty Christmastime sales. But the PSN sales are weekly).
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Also AC: Liberation really isn't that good. Mention it over in the Vita friend, you'll probably get a range of replies, some like it, some don't. I didn't really.
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I really enjoyed it. They really managed to get the combat feel from 3 working on the handheld.
That Family game share thing is pretty rad. Microsoft should be shouting it from the rooftops. I mean, its no PS+ but it still sounds cool.
Whoa, really? This soon?
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...so?
Pretty much. I bet the family share thing has enough as yet unrevealed fineprint and gotchas to fill a small warehouse.
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"W- Why?"
"We'll explain at another time."
I'll end up with an XBone in my living room at some point, but it won't be my primary console. Sony won that right this generation, barring some major changes between now and the release of both systems.