Nakedness makes it easy to backstab him just via circle strafing and dodging to the side when he attacks. The speed advantage lets you get into position much easier. If you are low enough armor is nothing but a hindrance against him.
You just have to learn his timing and learn not to do anything to him unless he takes a swing. Never attack him recklessly. He's waiting for that.
Backstabbing him early in the game takes forever, since even backstabs do pitiful damage to him with un-upgraded weapons.
Well, since I'm never going to beat Smough and Ornstein, I should probably give up now. But hey, I should have done that ages ago anyway. Nothing you can do about a player just plain sucking.
Well, since I'm never going to beat Smough and Ornstein, I should probably give up now. But hey, I should have done that ages ago anyway. Nothing you can do about a player just plain sucking.
Well, since I'm never going to beat Smough and Ornstein, I should probably give up now. But hey, I should have done that ages ago anyway. Nothing you can do about a player just plain sucking.
I felt the same way, try summoning another player and let them do the work. Put on Havel's armor, your biggest shield and just focus on your Estus flask. That was the way I did it and since then I have been making quite good progress. I might have been lucky though.
My attempts at multiplayer have pretty universally ended with getting stabbed in the back while trying to fight something bigger. One guy even sent me a message thanking me for it. I tried summoning solaire, but he decides to go off and die fighting the two giants before the boss room instead of actually going into the room with me. I'd kill those guys, but their swing patterns are bitch to avoid, so I usually end up burning an estus or 3 which I really can't afford.
Well, since I'm never going to beat Smough and Ornstein, I should probably give up now. But hey, I should have done that ages ago anyway. Nothing you can do about a player just plain sucking.
There's several weapons you can have by that point that make the fight loads easier. First being one of the black knight weapons. There's plenty of black knights you can kill before taking on O&S, and many of them, while having fairly high stat requirements at that point in the game, do incredible damage once you can use it properly. Then there's Quelaag's Fury Sword, which you can make using the Soul of Quelaag and a +10 Fury Sword (I'm assuming you found the Large Ember in the depths, and you're far enough that you can just buy Small and Large titanite shards; this along with the multiple demon titanite chunks you can get before now means you can get a rather nice fire weapon that does good damage against both bosses. Finally there's the Crystal Halberd +0 you can get right at the early point in Anor Londo right past the first bonfire, though it's heavily guarded.
Assume I'm aiming for Dark Soul because I need a long-term goal. The lightning upgrade makes the zweihander not scale with str/dex. I'm going to need a small investment in fth/int to make some requirements, but I'm not seeing much of a drawback in throwing everything into end, even beyond 40 (which I've already started), to wear heavy armour but still zoom around everywhere.
I'm not averse to starting again with a different build, because this game is great. Is my idea going to bite me later on? Is there more fun to be had from pyromancy/dex weapons? Am I a terrible terrible scrub? Answers on a postcard.
Pyromancy can be done regardless of your stats. The only thing that influences Pyro damage is the level of your flame.
Personally I've done strength and intelligence builds before this dexterity one, and they all worked out fine. Magic took a while for me to figure out because enchanted weapon but it did some great damage. Crap survivability for bosses though. The dexterity build gives me the power of the magic build plus more control over how I unleash it, so enemies aren't dodging my scythe swings like soul arrows.
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Nakedness makes it easy to backstab him just via circle strafing and dodging to the side when he attacks. The speed advantage lets you get into position much easier. If you are low enough armor is nothing but a hindrance against him.
You just have to learn his timing and learn not to do anything to him unless he takes a swing. Never attack him recklessly. He's waiting for that.
Backstabbing him early in the game takes forever, since even backstabs do pitiful damage to him with un-upgraded weapons.
Some weapons are better at backstabbing than others. Also lightning imbue your weapon with some of those powders. Once you get the hang of it, obviously. He goes down very fast.
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I suppose, I forget about those weapon buffs since I usually roll with an enchanted weapon or something, so they don't apply.
Staircheesing is still pretty quick.
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edited February 2014
You can't get an enchanted weapon at the point I'm taking him down with a lightning imbued weapon.
Strength characters are the easiest. A lightning imbued zwei murders him quick. You can get to 16 strength by the first time you have the chance to encounter him and you can do a grab and run (or die) to get the zwei right at the start. I don't remember where you get them, but you can also pick up three lightning powders from...a drop? An npc? I forget. By that time as well.
The dude has extremely high magic resistance, probably equal to his physical resistance, incidentally. He hated magic.
If you were using an enchanted weapon you were using the two damage types he was strongest against (phys and magic). You would have been better off with a lightning imbued normal rapier with its + modifier to backstab.
So yeah. No wonder it took all day.
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Bed of Chaos wasn't designed, it simply appeared in the code one day. A spontaneous formation of hate and malice, driven only by the need to destroy players' hopes and feed off their suffering.
From thought it fit well with their overall design so decided to keep it in, but they did at least bring in an old priest and a young priest to make sure it didn't spread to the rest of the game. They still wanted to make money after all.
Maybe? I only played G.U. and remember functionally nothing from it.
Really it's a testament to the ability of the people at From that we can comprehend the Bed of Chaos at all. I hear the first programmer who discovered it melted, Ark of the Covenant-style.
I beat this last night and I gotta eat some crow. I opposed playing this game for years cause I thought it was everything that I hated about games, but this turned out to be one of the best games I have ever played.
The only thing I can really say negative right now is that later bosses were incredibly easy. After S&O, I took down everyone else in at most 3 tries, most 1 try.
I beat this last night and I gotta eat some crow. I opposed playing this game for years cause I thought it was everything that I hated about games, but this turned out to be one of the best games I have ever played.
The only thing I can really say negative right now is that later bosses were incredibly easy. After S&O, I took down everyone else in at most 3 tries, most 1 try.
Common complaint. S&O are almost the toughest fuckers in the entire game. Their only competition lies in the DLC bosses. You did the DLC bosses, right?
Funny thing about my latest run; did you know that with 27 strength, 30 dex, Power Within and Greater Magic Weapon, Artorias dies in 6 hits of a +15 Zweihander? Was kinda sad, haha. Gearing up for an NG+ run and maybe trying out that "all Gravelord all the time" mod to emulate pure black tendency before the sequel hits, apparently I never bothered to beat the game on PC after finishing the DLC despite having 100 hours of arsing around. My builds are almost all identical too, I honestly don't know what I've spent all that time doing. Usually lose interest after OnS I guess.
I almost feel like OnS deserve a spot in the lineup of endgame bosses. Maybe have the player face them individually mid-game, then bring them back endgame as the duo fight we all know and love.
I beat this last night and I gotta eat some crow. I opposed playing this game for years cause I thought it was everything that I hated about games, but this turned out to be one of the best games I have ever played.
The only thing I can really say negative right now is that later bosses were incredibly easy. After S&O, I took down everyone else in at most 3 tries, most 1 try.
Common complaint. S&O are almost the toughest fuckers in the entire game. Their only competition lies in the DLC bosses. You did the DLC bosses, right?
Yeah, beat them all in 1 shot, except Artorias who probably took me about 6 or 7.
I beat this last night and I gotta eat some crow. I opposed playing this game for years cause I thought it was everything that I hated about games, but this turned out to be one of the best games I have ever played.
The only thing I can really say negative right now is that later bosses were incredibly easy. After S&O, I took down everyone else in at most 3 tries, most 1 try.
Common complaint. S&O are almost the toughest fuckers in the entire game. Their only competition lies in the DLC bosses. You did the DLC bosses, right?
Yeah, beat them all in 1 shot, except Artorias who probably took me about 6 or 7.
I beat this last night and I gotta eat some crow. I opposed playing this game for years cause I thought it was everything that I hated about games, but this turned out to be one of the best games I have ever played.
The only thing I can really say negative right now is that later bosses were incredibly easy. After S&O, I took down everyone else in at most 3 tries, most 1 try.
Common complaint. S&O are almost the toughest fuckers in the entire game. Their only competition lies in the DLC bosses. You did the DLC bosses, right?
Yeah, beat them all in 1 shot, except Artorias who probably took me about 6 or 7.
You 1 shot Kalameet as a first timer?
Shit dude. You're making us look bad :P
If it's any consolation, when I started a new character last night, I died to Taurus Demon 7 times somehow.
Another day, another fuckup on smough and ornstein. Likewise using humanity leads to another guaranteed invasion. Next time that happens I'm pulling the plug. Whoever decided that forcing PvP on people who absolutely do not give a shit was a good idea can take the blame for that one.
S&O wouldn't be that bad if I could reliably get solaire in there - when separated I can pretty much smash either one of them. Right up until they absorb the other and begin spamming the shit of that massive AoE lightning attack which I can only really defend against by being fucking psychic and running away from before it even begins to happen.
Am I the only one annoyed by how inconsistent some of the mechanics feel though? In particular backstab - either works perfectly, or I end up swinging my sword through their back. Similarly the NPCs will sometimes be stunned for a second when blocked by a shield, or decide that they can magically jump back whenever they feel like it.
Backstab only works if you don't have your shield raised/haven't had it up for a split second before you attack. I feel like backstabbing is one of the more consistent things in the game, actually. Unless you mean PvP in which case, no, it never works
Nope, bog standard silver knights. Locked on, shield down after the hit, strafe around behind them, swing sword through their cloaks. Sometimes I can get it working perfectly, others it decides that it doesn't want to do it. Especially bad on the sword wielding ones, but that's what parry/riposte is for.
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I think at this point, with no date at the start of the new year, it was wishful thinking on our parts to think that the PC version would be anything except significantly delayed. I'll be happy if it comes out this year.
I have plenty of other stuff to play so it's no big deal. The question is whether or not I can avoid spoilers.
I beat Smough and Ornstein my first time through by killing Ornstein, since he is so much faster that you can fight him while running away from Smough, then killing Smough by shooting him with arrows while keeping a pillar in between me and him. Smough just kept jumping into the pillar while I plinked away.
Not sure if that still works but it was pretty easy.
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edited February 2014
Backstab is 100% predictable and the reason my fist run even worked. If you can't get it to work you are doing something wrong. One of the things you can be doing wrong is relying on lockon when you have a slow walking speed. You simply wont be able to get into the right spot for backstab in time after an enemy attack. It isn't going to work.
Either toss some weight or learn to cut corners by not locking on.
Not landing a backstab is not the games fault. It is reliable.
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OK team, winged spear or uchigakatana? Context: planning on maining int/magic, staying light, aiming towards moonlight greatsword later on.
E: I've been having fun with both, because everything in the game seems to die to turtling behind a shield with the spear, but the uchigakatana is a goddamn katana with bleed.
Yes I killed the Burg merchant. Scrubadub dub.
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S&O wouldn't be that bad if I could reliably get solaire in there
Do you have a bow handy? The giants' AI is kinda lackluster when it comes to doing something about getting shot in the head repeatedly from a guy standing beyond their aggro range. As in they literally just stand there and take it.
It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing... And take away its pain.
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OK team, winged spear or uchigakatana? Context: planning on maining int/magic, staying light, aiming towards moonlight greatsword later on.
E: I've been having fun with both, because everything in the game seems to die to turtling behind a shield with the spear, but the uchigakatana is a goddamn katana with bleed.
Yes I killed the Burg merchant. Scrubadub dub.
If you're going for Int/Magic build with the Moonlight Greatsword as your goal, I'd go with Claymore instead of the Uchigatana or Winged Spear. Claymore is a great Magic/Enchanted weapon when you upgrade it, and Moonlight Greatsword just feels like an upgrade on it once you get it. With high INT, an Enchanted Claymore wrecks face. Bleed is nice, but I always felt like the move-set with the Claymore was frankly superior. Nice one-handed swing for a primary attack, and a thrust for alt-attack that's just as long as a spear thrust. Quite quick too, and low stat requirements. You can also use a shield, or switch to two-handed if the move-set is required, or you need a little bit more damage.
OK team, winged spear or uchigakatana? Context: planning on maining int/magic, staying light, aiming towards moonlight greatsword later on.
E: I've been having fun with both, because everything in the game seems to die to turtling behind a shield with the spear, but the uchigakatana is a goddamn katana with bleed.
Yes I killed the Burg merchant. Scrubadub dub.
If you're going for Int/Magic build with the Moonlight Greatsword as your goal, I'd go with Claymore instead of the Uchigatana or Winged Spear. Claymore is a great Magic/Enchanted weapon when you upgrade it, and Moonlight Greatsword just feels like an upgrade on it once you get it. With high INT, an Enchanted Claymore wrecks face. Bleed is nice, but I always felt like the move-set with the Claymore was frankly superior. Nice one-handed swing for a primary attack, and a thrust for alt-attack that's just as long as a spear thrust. Quite quick too, and low stat requirements. You can also use a shield, or switch to two-handed if the move-set is required, or you need a little bit more damage.
Interesting, may give that a go. The katana is just kind of fun to run around slicing fools but I have a feeling it won't scale well, especially since it's a fair time until the moonlight GS. First character felt a bit sluggish in comparison and on reflection I think a lot of trouble bosses were giving me were down to me being really slow (and only compensating for it later with Havel's ring/grass crest shield).
The uchi on the other hand is much faster then a claymore, and the stab is nice.
Bleed is more useful PvP then vs enemies in the game, but a nice bonus. it is just that most things die way before the bleed triggers.
The moonlight sword is very fun later when you can get it, just buy a lot of repairpower ready for it.
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Backstabbing him early in the game takes forever, since even backstabs do pitiful damage to him with un-upgraded weapons.
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I felt the same way, try summoning another player and let them do the work. Put on Havel's armor, your biggest shield and just focus on your Estus flask. That was the way I did it and since then I have been making quite good progress. I might have been lucky though.
There's several weapons you can have by that point that make the fight loads easier. First being one of the black knight weapons. There's plenty of black knights you can kill before taking on O&S, and many of them, while having fairly high stat requirements at that point in the game, do incredible damage once you can use it properly. Then there's Quelaag's Fury Sword, which you can make using the Soul of Quelaag and a +10 Fury Sword (I'm assuming you found the Large Ember in the depths, and you're far enough that you can just buy Small and Large titanite shards; this along with the multiple demon titanite chunks you can get before now means you can get a rather nice fire weapon that does good damage against both bosses. Finally there's the Crystal Halberd +0 you can get right at the early point in Anor Londo right past the first bonfire, though it's heavily guarded.
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Assume I'm aiming for Dark Soul because I need a long-term goal. The lightning upgrade makes the zweihander not scale with str/dex. I'm going to need a small investment in fth/int to make some requirements, but I'm not seeing much of a drawback in throwing everything into end, even beyond 40 (which I've already started), to wear heavy armour but still zoom around everywhere.
I'm not averse to starting again with a different build, because this game is great. Is my idea going to bite me later on? Is there more fun to be had from pyromancy/dex weapons? Am I a terrible terrible scrub? Answers on a postcard.
Personally I've done strength and intelligence builds before this dexterity one, and they all worked out fine. Magic took a while for me to figure out because enchanted weapon but it did some great damage. Crap survivability for bosses though. The dexterity build gives me the power of the magic build plus more control over how I unleash it, so enemies aren't dodging my scythe swings like soul arrows.
Some weapons are better at backstabbing than others. Also lightning imbue your weapon with some of those powders. Once you get the hang of it, obviously. He goes down very fast.
Staircheesing is still pretty quick.
Strength characters are the easiest. A lightning imbued zwei murders him quick. You can get to 16 strength by the first time you have the chance to encounter him and you can do a grab and run (or die) to get the zwei right at the start. I don't remember where you get them, but you can also pick up three lightning powders from...a drop? An npc? I forget. By that time as well.
The dude has extremely high magic resistance, probably equal to his physical resistance, incidentally. He hated magic.
If you were using an enchanted weapon you were using the two damage types he was strongest against (phys and magic). You would have been better off with a lightning imbued normal rapier with its + modifier to backstab.
So yeah. No wonder it took all day.
I'd like to rip out and show them their testicles.
/rage
From thought it fit well with their overall design so decided to keep it in, but they did at least bring in an old priest and a young priest to make sure it didn't spread to the rest of the game. They still wanted to make money after all.
Really it's a testament to the ability of the people at From that we can comprehend the Bed of Chaos at all. I hear the first programmer who discovered it melted, Ark of the Covenant-style.
The only thing I can really say negative right now is that later bosses were incredibly easy. After S&O, I took down everyone else in at most 3 tries, most 1 try.
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Common complaint. S&O are almost the toughest fuckers in the entire game. Their only competition lies in the DLC bosses. You did the DLC bosses, right?
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Yeah, beat them all in 1 shot, except Artorias who probably took me about 6 or 7.
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You 1 shot Kalameet as a first timer?
Shit dude. You're making us look bad :P
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If it's any consolation, when I started a new character last night, I died to Taurus Demon 7 times somehow.
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S&O wouldn't be that bad if I could reliably get solaire in there - when separated I can pretty much smash either one of them. Right up until they absorb the other and begin spamming the shit of that massive AoE lightning attack which I can only really defend against by being fucking psychic and running away from before it even begins to happen.
Am I the only one annoyed by how inconsistent some of the mechanics feel though? In particular backstab - either works perfectly, or I end up swinging my sword through their back. Similarly the NPCs will sometimes be stunned for a second when blocked by a shield, or decide that they can magically jump back whenever they feel like it.
I have plenty of other stuff to play so it's no big deal. The question is whether or not I can avoid spoilers.
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Not sure if that still works but it was pretty easy.
"Orkses never lose a battle. If we win we win, if we die we die fightin so it don't count. If we runs for it we don't die neither, cos we can come back for annuver go, see!".
Either toss some weight or learn to cut corners by not locking on.
Not landing a backstab is not the games fault. It is reliable.
E: I've been having fun with both, because everything in the game seems to die to turtling behind a shield with the spear, but the uchigakatana is a goddamn katana with bleed.
Do you have a bow handy? The giants' AI is kinda lackluster when it comes to doing something about getting shot in the head repeatedly from a guy standing beyond their aggro range. As in they literally just stand there and take it.
Warframe/Steam: NFyt
If you're going for Int/Magic build with the Moonlight Greatsword as your goal, I'd go with Claymore instead of the Uchigatana or Winged Spear. Claymore is a great Magic/Enchanted weapon when you upgrade it, and Moonlight Greatsword just feels like an upgrade on it once you get it. With high INT, an Enchanted Claymore wrecks face. Bleed is nice, but I always felt like the move-set with the Claymore was frankly superior. Nice one-handed swing for a primary attack, and a thrust for alt-attack that's just as long as a spear thrust. Quite quick too, and low stat requirements. You can also use a shield, or switch to two-handed if the move-set is required, or you need a little bit more damage.
Interesting, may give that a go. The katana is just kind of fun to run around slicing fools but I have a feeling it won't scale well, especially since it's a fair time until the moonlight GS. First character felt a bit sluggish in comparison and on reflection I think a lot of trouble bosses were giving me were down to me being really slow (and only compensating for it later with Havel's ring/grass crest shield).
Bleed is more useful PvP then vs enemies in the game, but a nice bonus. it is just that most things die way before the bleed triggers.
The moonlight sword is very fun later when you can get it, just buy a lot of repairpower ready for it.