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I'm shocked, shocked to find that [Movies] are going on in here!

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  • Panda4YouPanda4You Registered User regular
    Bluefoot wrote: »
    Finally got around to watching Event Horizon last night.

    That sure was a movie.
    Awesome use of a Prodigy song for the ending credits.

  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    Edd wrote: »
    Moonraker is such a wonderfully energetic, tongue-in-cheek adventure that it really does make the Austin Powers films seem particularly lazy.

    James Bond was doing a better parody of James Bond 20 years earlier.

    That may actually be my problem with it, I dont want to watch a caricature of a James Bond movie, I want to watch a James Bond movie.

    I fear Im going to have to get used to the caricature Bond until I get to Casino Royale.

  • Harry DresdenHarry Dresden Registered User regular
    emp123 wrote: »
    Edd wrote: »
    Moonraker is such a wonderfully energetic, tongue-in-cheek adventure that it really does make the Austin Powers films seem particularly lazy.

    James Bond was doing a better parody of James Bond 20 years earlier.

    That may actually be my problem with it, I dont want to watch a caricature of a James Bond movie, I want to watch a James Bond movie.

    I fear Im going to have to get used to the caricature Bond until I get to Casino Royale.

    Dalton plays a serious Bond.

  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    Just finished On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and I was surprised by how much I liked it. I think I just prefer Bond when he does actual spying, and is shown to actually be good at it. I even didn't mind the uncharacteristic Bond romance, since I felt it was fairly well done, and I don't particularly care that it's not Bondish, because stereotypical Bond actually kind of annoys me. Lazenby seems more emotional than Connery, and also more easygoing, which I don't know if it's particularly better or worse. They did kind of need to stop with the puffy shirts though. Those have not aged well.

    Figured I'd make my own list since it's all the rage:
    1. From Russia With Love
    2. Dr. No
    3. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    4. Thunderball
    5. Goldfinger
    6. You Only live Twice

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  • Mike DangerMike Danger "Diane..." a place both wonderful and strangeRegistered User regular
    I went and saw Lee Daniels' The Butler.
    The things it has going in its favor:
    - There are some pretty funny bits in the second half.

    - James Marsden is a passable JFK. Liev Schreiber makes for an alright LBJ.

    The counts against it:
    - The different presidents are pretty much just caricatures, and most of them just hit the same anger/disbelief note about the civil rights movement. If you're looking for deep introspection into how Eisenhower's thoughts on race differed from JFK's differed from Johnson's, this is not the movie for you.

    - The script has this really annoying quality where just as some part of the story is starting to get interesting it time-skips ahead and whatever has been happening for the last bit of the movie is quickly swept away. I was really hoping that the movie would focus on the son's involvement with the Black Panthers after seeing trailers, but that part of the plot probably lasts 15 minutes or so.

    - The ending goes on forever and ever. Oh, he's reconciled with his son, so it's over now, right?
    No, wait, we're time skipping ahead to 2008 now! Obama's running for election! It's so exciting! It's over now, right?
    Nope, we're gonna jump even further for when his wife passes away. It's over now, right?
    Nope, we're jumping to November for the Obama victory! It must be over now, right?
    Nope, we gotta come full circle back to the scene with Old Cecil at the beginning of the movie so he can go meet Obama

    - John Cusack is terrible as Nixon. I am pretty sure he forgets to do a "Nixon voice" in his very first scene.

    - The aging makeup used for Whitaker and Winfrey is pretty scattershot. There are some scenes where Whitaker looks like he's just lost a little hair and Winfrey looks 10 years older than him, and other scenes where it's reversed and Whitaker looks old as hell while Winfrey looks like she just stepped off the set of her show.

    I'd suggest you go see something else.

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  • caligynefobcaligynefob DKRegistered User regular
    If you're interesed in the production side of the 007 movies the docu Everthing or Nothing is a must watch. Lazenby's reasoning for participating in the movies is particularly interesting.

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  • Alistair HuttonAlistair Hutton Dr EdinburghRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Last night, I continued my trip down Die Hard memory Lane with Die Hard With a Vengeance. John McClane wrecked some bad guys' shit.

    To start with the obvious, it was inferior to the first one and much, much better with the second one. There's very little actually wrong with it, honestly. It's a great action movie, and it only really falls short of Die Hard because Die Hard was near perfect.

    Die Hard With a Vengence obeys rule Alpha of Action Cinema: It puts the money on the screen.

    When the subway train crashes you know that what you're seeing is real physical shit really physically getting destroyed. And that is very satisfying.

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  • ThirithThirith Registered User regular
    I found DHWaV mostly unmemorable, except for that scene where Willis and Jackson drag away the guy killed by the cable, which got a big laugh at the time. Other than that, I barely remember anything about the film. Weirdly enough, I remember Die Harder much more clearly, especially because there are two kills in it that hit me right in the gut: the guy getting icicled in the eye and the one who gets his throat cut. Injury to the eye and the throat is something I react to in a very visceral way.

    Anyway, I think my problem is that I consider Die Hard pretty much the perfect action movie, so everything else pales in comparison. Especially if the setting is contemporary and at least pretends to be semi-real, I tend to think, "This is okay, but I'd rather be at Nakatomi Plaza."

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  • emp123emp123 Registered User regular
    For Your Eyes Only - worst song ever. Actually, the soundtrack to this movie hasnt aged well at all. That said, its probably the best Moore Bond movie (easily the best one Ive seen) and probably even one of the better Bond movies Ive seen thus far (well, its probably in the middle). Its considerably toned down from Moonraker and I think the movie is better for it. I appreciated the relative lack of gadgets (god damn that teletype printer watch thing in Moonraker(?) was dumb), and enjoyed the destruction of the Esprit and its replacement by the Citroen.

    The beginning kind of threw me off though, Bond just straight up murders "Blofeld" which didnt seem very Bondish, but fit with the way Moore's Bond has been written - Connery kills when he has to, Moore kills when he wants to.

  • BogartBogart Streetwise Hercules Registered User, Moderator mod
    The beginning and end of FYEO are kind of silly and don't fit into the mostly 'realistic' atmosphere of the rest of the movie.

  • Evil_ReaverEvil_Reaver Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Using spoiler tags, what are some movies where the bad guys win in the end? The only ones coming to mind are gangster movies where it's bad guys versus other bad guys.
    Arlington Road

    Similarly, I know there are some sports films where the plucky band of misfits lose the big game, but I'll be darned if I can remember any other than
    Rocky
    Mystery Alaska is another sports movie where the bad guys (NY Rangers, ha!) win.

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  • WhittledownWhittledown Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Using spoiler tags, what are some movies where the bad guys win in the end? The only ones coming to mind are gangster movies where it's bad guys versus other bad guys.
    Arlington Road

    Similarly, I know there are some sports films where the plucky band of misfits lose the big game, but I'll be darned if I can remember any other than
    Rocky

    I can only think of one other but the loss wasn't actually shown on screen.
    In Major League the Indians beat the Yankees, yes, but immediately go on to lose the ALCS to the White Sox. This is described in the opening of Major League 2 and is absolutely everything you need to know about that movie.

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  • ThomamelasThomamelas Only one man can kill this many Russians. Bring his guitar to me! Registered User regular
    knitdan wrote: »
    emnmnme wrote: »
    Using spoiler tags, what are some movies where the bad guys win in the end? The only ones coming to mind are gangster movies where it's bad guys versus other bad guys.
    Arlington Road

    Similarly, I know there are some sports films where the plucky band of misfits lose the big game, but I'll be darned if I can remember any other than
    Rocky

    I can only think of one other but the loss wasn't actually shown on screen.
    In Major League the Indians beat the Yankees, yes, but immediately go on to lose the ALCS to the White Sox. This is described in the opening of Major League 2 and is absolutely everything you need to know about that movie.
    Bad News Bears
    Bring It On
    Cool Runnings
    A League of Their Own
    The Hustler
    Brewster’s Millions

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I watched Pain & Gain last night. It was... a movie.

    P&G is basically Michael Bay trying to make a Coen brothers movie. It succeeds about as well as you'd expect for something made by the Transformers guy. It is a stupid, awkward, bad movie. That said, it keeps your interest, so it's not a total loss.

    Dwayne Johnson is characteristically enjoyable, and Marky Mark is fine. Most of what the movie does while trying to be clever or thoughtful fails. Having the movie told from half a dozen different perspectives is clunky and ineffectual, and really only serves to let you know who's not going to die. The characters are poorly-written and unbelievable and their motivations are largely nonsensical. I don't care if everything happened in real-life exactly as portrayed in the movie, it still felt unbelievable, and reminding us midway that it really is a true story doesn't fix that, sorry Mr. Bay.

    The movie also highlights Bay's intense hatred of fat people. When Bay wants you to know a scene is disgusting or terrible in some way, he will put a fat person in it. If he needs a quick comic insert, he'll have a fat guy walk in and say something fat-guy-ish. It is actually uncomfortable to watch, once you're aware of it.

    Fun fact: Before we watched the movie, I was telling my wife how terrible Bay is, how his movies all contain random, semi-offensive stereotypes for comic relief. I told her there'll probably be a midget at some point, because midgets are high-larious. Yeah.

    P&G is probably the third-best movie Bay has ever made. That is exactly as non-complimentary is it sounds.

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  • cptruggedcptrugged I think it has something to do with free will. Registered User regular
    For Your Eyes Only was actually the first Bond movie that I ever saw. My mom loved the song so I ended up hearing it 10,000x times after seeing it in the theater. But I'll admit, even though it was my first to see I really didn't remember it. Octopussy is the first one I really have memories of.

  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    P&G is probably the third-best movie Bay has ever made. That is exactly as non-complimentary is it sounds.

    Bad Boys & The Rock?

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    P&G is probably the third-best movie Bay has ever made. That is exactly as non-complimentary is it sounds.

    Bad Boys & The Rock?

    ding-ding-ding-ding

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    Oh, and do you find homophobia hilarious? If so, you will find P&G hilarious.

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  • MalReynoldsMalReynolds The Hunter S Thompson of incredibly mild medicines Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    P&G is probably the third-best movie Bay has ever made. That is exactly as non-complimentary is it sounds.

    Bad Boys & The Rock?

    ding-ding-ding-ding

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  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    P&G is probably the third-best movie Bay has ever made. That is exactly as non-complimentary is it sounds.

    Bad Boys & The Rock?

    ding-ding-ding-ding

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    It never got to me until I had kids. Fucking dad-emotions.

  • JAEFJAEF Unstoppably Bald Registered User regular
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    TexiKen wrote: »
    While sick I tried watching this film iSteve with Justin Long as Steve Jobs, and the fat guy from Lost is Steve Wozniack.

    It is terrible. I think they think they're playing along with how low budget it is (and boy is it cheap, if the budget was anywhere over 250k there is some fraud going on) but it doesn't dismiss the fact that it feels like it's written by a junior high student, and it never feels like it's a comedy, just some nerd pic (a lot of what would be nerd celebs in the film). It's also fast and loose with the facts, it skips over lots of stuff, I really don't know if the film was done out of appreciation for the man or just to somehow cloud people's minds in future conversation of the man with something so crappy.

    It's a parody/satire AFAIK. I think it was a Funny or Die production?
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  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    TheCanMan wrote: »
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    P&G is probably the third-best movie Bay has ever made. That is exactly as non-complimentary is it sounds.

    Bad Boys & The Rock?

    ding-ding-ding-ding

    Bay's directorial filmography is something to behold. Like, I'm sure everyone has a least a modest understanding (even if only in the abstract) of his body of work. But seeing it all listed chronologically in one place is mind-boggling.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited August 2013
    Oh, Michael Bay directed the 1990 Playboy Video Centerfold.

    I guess Pain & Gain is his fourth best film.

    edit: I didn't know he directed Pearl Harbor. I understand now why I hated that movie.

    edit: Oh god, he's doing a TMNT movie. Now I'm sad.

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  • cptruggedcptrugged I think it has something to do with free will. Registered User regular
    Wow, he did The Rock? Holy shit. That movie was goddamn amazing. How do you go from that to Transformers 2.

  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    cptrugged wrote: »
    Wow, he did The Rock? Holy shit. That movie was goddamn amazing. How do you go from that to Transformers 2.

    To be fair, it'd be hard for even Michael Bay to screw up a movie with Sean Connery, Nick Cage, and Ed Harris.

  • AstaerethAstaereth In the belly of the beastRegistered User regular
    edited August 2013
    I've never seen The Rock, because it's got Bay's name on it. The consistent praise of "The best Michael Bay film" has not, thus far, swayed me.

    Oh, I heard a story about Bay the other day. I always think of him because he's a filmmaker and I'm trying to be and at five years younger than I am now he directed Bad Boys, a $20 million movie starring Will Smith. He got that off of doing music videos in his late teens, but I never knew how he got started on those.

    Turns out back when he was nobody, I think 15 years old, his reel got seen by somebody who liked it and decided to give him a music video with a budget of $100,000. Bay took the job... and then turned around and told them he needed $200,000.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    The Rock is ... ok. I don't think it's near as good as many try to make it out to be.

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    The Rock is fun and has some enjoyable performances, but mostly it benefits by my having seen it when I was 20 and lacking in taste. It's big and dumb and loud and stuff blows up real good and none if it is really offensively bad. And I think there's only one ridiculous gay stereotype in it.

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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The Rock is fun and has some enjoyable performances, but mostly it benefits by my having seen it when I was 20 and lacking in taste. It's big and dumb and loud and stuff blows up real good and none if it is really offensively bad. And I think there's only one ridiculous gay stereotype in it.

    I really wouldn't even call "effeminent male that does hairstyling" overly ridiculous since they are in San Francisco.

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  • jefe414jefe414 "My Other Drill Hole is a Teleporter" Mechagodzilla is Best GodzillaRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The Rock is fun and has some enjoyable performances, but mostly it benefits by my having seen it when I was 20 and lacking in taste. It's big and dumb and loud and stuff blows up real good and none if it is really offensively bad. And I think there's only one ridiculous gay stereotype in it.

    Yeah I saw it when I was in high school. From what I remember, I don't think I'd be able to enjoy it today.



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  • NocrenNocren Lt Futz, Back in Action North CarolinaRegistered User regular
    For me it's kinda "well, there ain't nothing else on, and I'd spend too much time deciding what dvd to watch, so I'm just gonna leave it on this channel."

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  • wirehead26wirehead26 Registered User regular
    I unabashedly enjoyed Pain and Gain. There was a pretty terrible homophobic moment in it but by the end it's kind of made up for.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    The homophobic moment to me was the first of the "hey, these guys are terrible people" reminders that slowly shift the movie from dumb guy near-comedy to psychopath drama.

    I enjoyed P&G sort of as a counterpoint to the Scarface-style "don't do this totally awesome and badass thing" movie.

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  • DarkPrimusDarkPrimus Registered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The Rock is fun and has some enjoyable performances, but mostly it benefits by my having seen it when I was 20 and lacking in taste. It's big and dumb and loud and stuff blows up real good and none if it is really offensively bad. And I think there's only one ridiculous gay stereotype in it.

    Something that sets The Rock apart from most of Bay's other works is that the main villain is actually pretty sympathetic and has some good points he raises. It also carries more anti-government sentiment than you might expect from his work. Put this down to Bay not having as much of a hand in the story as most of his films, perhaps.

  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    this discussion is slightly confusing because of The Rock (film) and The Rock (actor)

  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    I found a list of all the ways in which P&G deviated from the real story. It's pretty funny that the part that specifically reminds you "This is still a true story" involves a character who was completely made up.

    Also, it's a bit disturbing in hindsight to consider that someone took an account of a gang of people brutally slaughtering folks and turned it into a wacky black comedy that seems to want you to empathize with the psychopaths.

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    You thought the movie wanted you to empathize with the gang? That seems like a pretty far afield interpretation.

  • TheCanManTheCanMan GT: Gasman122009 JerseyRegistered User regular
    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The Rock is fun and has some enjoyable performances, but mostly it benefits by my having seen it when I was 20 and lacking in taste. It's big and dumb and loud and stuff blows up real good and none if it is really offensively bad. And I think there's only one ridiculous gay stereotype in it.

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  • ElJeffeElJeffe Moderator, ClubPA mod
    KalTorak wrote: »
    You thought the movie wanted you to empathize with the gang? That seems like a pretty far afield interpretation.

    It definitely wanted us to empathize with Johnson's character, at least, the born-again ex-con who's trying to stay clean but winds up led astray by Walberg. Mostly, it was just making fun of everyone, admittedly. Including the dead.

    Then again, it's a Michael Bay movie, so it probably didn't really have any intentions beyond "lol didjoo see that crazy thing lol fat dudes lol midget".

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  • KalTorakKalTorak One way or another, they all end up in the Undercity.Registered User regular
    edited August 2013
    It's hard to find anyone in the movie to empathize with; i think the closest is Michael Rispoli's character, the porn guy, if only for the one or two lines where he calls out how stupid and out of his depth Marky Mark is.

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