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[PA Comic] Wednesday, June 26, 2013 - Brouyaha

GethGeth LegionPerseus VeilRegistered User, Moderator, Penny Arcade Staff, Vanilla Staff vanilla
edited June 2013 in The Penny Arcade Hub
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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    the launch itself was a subtle campaign, I didn't even know it was coming out.

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    jothkijothki Registered User regular
    Finally, a true successor to the PSP.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I would say it's outright farcical that they've been promoting themselves (or, business partners on their behalf) by citing emulator use. It's kind of asking for trouble.

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    DhalphirDhalphir don't you open that trapdoor you're a fool if you dareRegistered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    I would say it's outright farcical that they've been promoting themselves (or, business partners on their behalf) by citing emulator use. It's kind of asking for trouble.

    crosspost from industry thread
    Foomy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Okay, so according to Ashens' review of the Ouya, N64 emulating software was STILL available (at least as of two days ago).

    Didn't the Internet point that out a couple months ago? And wouldn't most reasonable businesses realize that could make them a lawsuit magnet?

    Emulation software itself isn't illegal, as was proven back in the day with the Bleem! lawsuits. So as long as they aren't packaging in copyrighted roms with the console they're not doing anything wrong.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    wink wink, nudge nudge

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    I needed anime to post.I needed anime to post. boom Registered User regular
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY5yG2KyQfM&feature=youtu.be

    this is my favourite ouya related video

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    A duck!A duck! Moderator, ClubPA mod
    edited June 2013
    Dhalphir wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    I would say it's outright farcical that they've been promoting themselves (or, business partners on their behalf) by citing emulator use. It's kind of asking for trouble.

    crosspost from industry thread
    Foomy wrote: »
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Okay, so according to Ashens' review of the Ouya, N64 emulating software was STILL available (at least as of two days ago).

    Didn't the Internet point that out a couple months ago? And wouldn't most reasonable businesses realize that could make them a lawsuit magnet?

    Emulation software itself isn't illegal, as was proven back in the day with the Bleem! lawsuits. So as long as they aren't packaging in copyrighted roms with the console they're not doing anything wrong.

    Yes, but they used a screen from Mario in their Twitter feed for an advertisement. I doubt they had authorization for that one.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    How does one pronounce "Ouya"?

    Also, I have to wonder how good their emulators are. I've played roms in the past, and they almost never deliver a perfect experience. There are almost always graphical glitches or crazy anomalies that don't happen when you play a legit copy of the game on its native console.

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    KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    edited July 2015
    Ouya(ooo-yah) owner checking in. Overall, I bought the thing as a media box. I've been streaming movies and TV from Netflix and my computer to XBMC on it, which has been awesome. The not_to_be_named apps just add a new level on to that. And to top it off, it has it's own games that are evolving every day. This one just came out yesterday, and it's a fucking blast.

    In fact the only real gripe I have with the thing is the controller. It's kinda cheap, but there's also a slight delay on button presses. At least you can plug in your own USB controller into the back and BOO-YA! Works like a charm.

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    marsiliesmarsilies Registered User regular
    A duck! wrote: »
    Yes, but they used a screen from Mario in their Twitter feed for an advertisement. I doubt they had authorization for that one.

    To be fair, it was a retweet of someone else's tweet, and the text of the tweet didn't mention Super Mario Bros. or piracy at all. However, the twitpic linked to in it shows a screenshot of Super Mario Bros.

    Here's the tweet:
    #FreetheGames "@neilcribbs: Reasons 14-17 to buy @playouya. Use current controllers, expand ports, AND #retro games pic.twitter.com/IExq4CdbZE"

    It's possible whomever runs the Ouya twitter feed retweeted it without looking at the attached pic.

    Article about the tweet controversy:
    http://kotaku.com/ouya-provokes-piracy-argument-with-retweet-touting-emul-573006869
    An Ouya representative responded to Kotaku, restating the company's policies on emulators, content submissions to the Ouya store, and file formats. Ouya's tweet also has been deleted.

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    halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    Man, I want to talk about how emulation is differnt on an Ouya then on most other Android devices becuse it has a phyiscal controller and not a touch screen. However, this whole conversation about emulators is giving me the heebie jeebies knowing that all paths leads to Tube and a banhammer. I'm gonna wait this one out and watch from a distance.

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    marsiliesmarsilies Registered User regular
    It should be noted that there is a way to play classic console games on the OUYA using the original cartridges. The Retrode accessory is a USB adapter that has cartridge slots for SNES and Genesis, and has optional add-ons for N64, GB/GBC/GBA, and Sega Master System. Someone tested it, and the Retrode works with the OUYA:
    http://www.retrocollect.com/News/using-the-ouya-a-retrode-as-a-retro-gaming-console.html

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    Warlock82Warlock82 Never pet a burning dog Registered User regular
    edited June 2013

    Haha, that's great.

    "Here's the controller, let's see how comfortable that is...... whelp, that feels awful"

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    jhffmnjhffmn Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    China has been doing this shit for years. In fact, some of the android gaming handhelds are pretty awesome. The jxd 7300 for example has a decent 7" screen and specs comparable to year old android tablets. Meaning that you can comfortably browse the interweb and watch netflix just like you would with your galaxy tab before loading up all the emulators you downloaded off the play store. The prices are reasonable $129 for the high end model but there are lesser models that are still beefy specs for emus but suffer 2 hour battery life and resistive low rez screens that rule out tablet functions for $60. There is also a great community that will help you install custom roms make the devices pretty awesome.

    jxd 7300 ($129)

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    jxd s602 ($60)

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    And you can find a great community here http://boards.dingoonity.org/jxd-devices/

    I have the s602, it's pretty rad.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    Guys, you can't talk about using emulators on the forums. That's always been the rule, it will always be the rule.

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    Monkey Ball WarriorMonkey Ball Warrior A collection of mediocre hats Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited June 2013
    I assumed the point was that it was an android phone, that was cheaper than a phone and that you could easily hook up to your TV.

    My android phone is terrible at playing games and I have a few android games I cannot play from a humble bundle before, so I actually considered buying one, but eh. I'll play them when I upgrade my phone some day. I don't need to use an HDMI input on that.

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    "I resent the entire notion of a body as an ante and then raise you a generalized dissatisfaction with physicality itself" -- Tycho
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    NightslyrNightslyr Registered User regular
    All the Ouya does is make me wish crowdfunding was a thing back when the Phantom was being talked/lied about. The hilarity we all missed out on... :(

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    Tube, I'm not trying to start anything here, and I'm perfectly happy dropping the subject completely, but I'm curious, how are we supposed to discuss the Ouya, like, at all, without the topic of emulation coming up. That's kind of what it does. Does that mean that essentially, other than hardware related discussion, the Ouya is off limits?

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    mjrusso45mjrusso45 Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    Isn't that-which-must-not-be-named essentially the primary topic of today's comic?

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    KoopahTroopahKoopahTroopah The koopas, the troopas. Philadelphia, PARegistered User regular
    That's the only reason why I mentioned it, but it's up to them really.

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    LucascraftLucascraft Registered User regular
    Yeah, I'm not trying to fight it. I was asking for legitimate clarification. The Ouya's primary function seems to be that which is forbidden, so it seems to me that other than hardware discussion, the device is essentially off-limits, as well as today's comic topic.

    I'm ok with that, really. I have no intention of buying an Ouya or supporting the forbidden_topic.

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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Does that mean that essentially, other than hardware related discussion, the Ouya is off limits?

    It's pretty simple. It means that you stop typing when you're about to say something about using

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    GriswoldGriswold that's rough, buddyRegistered User regular
    No one has commented yet about the title of today's comic being awesome.

    The title of today's comic is awesome.

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    Commander ZoomCommander Zoom Registered User regular
    mjrusso45 wrote: »
    Isn't that-which-must-not-be-named essentially the primary topic of today's comic?

    Exactly!
    Might as well close and delete the thread.
    There's no way to discuss the comic without discussing ... the content. Unless we want to talk about, say, the fact that only one frame of it is original art and the rest is just text and screengrabs.

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    GaslightGaslight Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    Does that mean that essentially, other than hardware related discussion, the Ouya is off limits?

    It's pretty simple. It means that you stop typing when you're about to say something about using

    Like if I was about to post something about Candleja

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    TofystedethTofystedeth Registered User regular
    mjrusso45 wrote: »
    Isn't that-which-must-not-be-named essentially the primary topic of today's comic?

    Exactly!
    Might as well close and delete the thread.
    There's no way to discuss the comic without discussing ... the content. Unless we want to talk about, say, the fact that only one frame of it is original art and the rest is just text and screengrabs.

    Well, there's aways the possibility of speculating whether having an Android device out that comes with a controller will cause more developers to make games taking advantage of that and large screens available.

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    TubeTube Registered User admin
    You can post about the comic without saying "I totally use emulators in this way". There's more to discuss about this comic and the Ouya in general than "so guys, what's your favourite emulator, here are links to mine"

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular

    it's like... a real life Harry Plinkett

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    I was thinking, when the Ouya first got kickstarted, that it wouldn't be such a great thing. But I'm starting to wonder if it'll actually turn out decent. Maybe not as a product / its features, but as a thing that gets sold. Most of the negative comments I've seen on it have just been skepticism rather than "it doesn't do / allow (x)."

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    jhffmnjhffmn Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    (I'll try to avoid that which cannot be mentioned)

    Here is why not to buy the ouya: You won't have access to google play store. At least not without modding the device and most everything on the ouya store will be there as well.

    I get why this is the case, but there are a load of options that allow you to have access to all of android. I can go and buy a android tvstick (about $40-100 for specs that range slightly sub ouya to specs that make the ouya feel bad) that look like this

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    Grab a controller and a nifty keyboard remote and I have myself a ouya that uses the playstore.

    Now since I can do that, And since you can do it too. So can anyone else and throw it into a box and market it as a console. See the gamestick. Which means they will. And to get games to such a fragmented android audience it will make sense to sell them on the play store, which the ouya has locked you out of for it's own store. And if I'm a developer making a game for ouya I'm going to release it on the play store anyway.

    And besides, why get a ouya when you can get a handheld "ouya" jxd device for roughly the same price. I guess the shield is also a competitor but $299 is a silly amount for that thing.

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    EvilBadmanEvilBadman DO NOT TRUST THIS MAN Registered User regular
    Lucascraft wrote: »
    How does one pronounce "Ouya"?

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    FyreWulff wrote: »
    I should note that Badman is fucking awesome
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    ArbitraryDescriptorArbitraryDescriptor changed Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    Henroid wrote: »
    I was thinking, when the Ouya first got kickstarted, that it wouldn't be such a great thing. But I'm starting to wonder if it'll actually turn out decent. Maybe not as a product / its features, but as a thing that gets sold. Most of the negative comments I've seen on it have just been skepticism rather than "it doesn't do / allow (x)."

    It's a... valid (?) idea, it just doesn't fill any niches that I don't already have a solution for.

    My real beef is with the company itself. Between shamelessly promoting a less than novel idea like it was the second coming, and having the nerve to suggest trying to sell people a new open-source Jesus-box every year, I got the sense that this was nothing more than a callous crowd-funding cash grab from day one.

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    B:LB:L I've done worse. Registered User regular
    No I'm pretty sure it's

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    JasconiusJasconius sword criminal mad onlineRegistered User regular
    In my opinion it's a good idea that's hideously implemented

    $100 is a bad price point and apparently the unit is underpowered as a result

    This device is basically in the same league as those things you used to see in mall kiosks that had "260 Sega Genesis Games in One"

    the only different is it has an ethernet jack


    The choice of Android as a basis seems questionable. I have nothing against Android as an OS

    but if you're going to go out of your way to make a console that is basically just a glorified SNES emulator, then why not just make it Linux based and take advantage of that software environment?

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    jhffmnjhffmn Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    To be fair though, if ouya does well it could kickstart android gaming. And android gaming would lead to more android tv boxes. It'd be cool to have the same open operating system running my phone, my tablet, my handheld device, and my TV. And all ownership of content would be stored in the cloud. I'd love to be able to play all the old games I owned from my childhood without having to do anything illegal.

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    HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    Henroid wrote: »
    I was thinking, when the Ouya first got kickstarted, that it wouldn't be such a great thing. But I'm starting to wonder if it'll actually turn out decent. Maybe not as a product / its features, but as a thing that gets sold. Most of the negative comments I've seen on it have just been skepticism rather than "it doesn't do / allow (x)."

    It's a... valid (?) idea, it just doesn't fill any niches that I don't already have a solution for.

    My real beef is with the company itself. Between shamelessly promoting a less than novel idea like it was the second coming, and having the nerve to suggest trying to sell people a new open-source Jesus-box every year, I got the sense that this was nothing more than a callous crowd-funding cash grab from day one.

    Every company with something to promote is going to push it in that fashion. The Ouya folks aren't unique in that sense. But you're right about it not filling a niche.

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    RatherDashing89RatherDashing89 Registered User regular
    re: the newspost: I don't know much (/anything) about sports wargames, but the art alone for Kaosball is awesome! Given the... particular art style, I hope to see the Wolfbats and Fire Ferrets added as factions.
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    Amazon on the left is totally Korra.

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    What makes Kaosball not just another blood bowl?

    What is this I don't even.
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    TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu PIGEON Registered User regular
    Carefully polished and waxed breasts?

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    DarkewolfeDarkewolfe Registered User regular
    edited June 2013
    Carefully polished and waxed breasts?

    You have apparently not seen the Dark Elf team.

    Or Amazon team for that matter.

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    What is this I don't even.
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