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BroloBroseidonLord of the BroceanRegistered Userregular
The US government actually had pretty good inroads with Morsi from what I can tell, and they likely want him to stay in power, but I don't think there's going to be any direct intervention in this one unless it turns into a full-blown civil war.
The US government actually had pretty good inroads with Morsi from what I can tell, and they likely want him to stay in power, but I don't think there's going to be any direct intervention in this one unless it turns into a full-blown civil war.
Yeah, Morsi was another autocrat willing to play ball.
I mean I don't know what else you call it. That's like, the word to use.
Eh. It has very specific connotations about political legitimacy and establishes an outsider narrative about the dynamic that doesn't reflect what's more of an ongoing and volatile political reformation.
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I mean I don't know what else you call it. That's like, the word to use.
Eh. It has very specific connotations about political legitimacy and establishes an outsider narrative about the dynamic that doesn't reflect what's more of an ongoing and volatile political reformation.
Yeah, it really feels like the protests that started with ousting Mubarak never really ended. Morsi somehow found himself with nominal political control, but only because his main political opponent was a holdover from the Mubarak regime. The public stayed quiet for a while, then turned on him as soon as he tried to grant himself unlimited political powers back in November, and that's just snowballed back into the current shitstorm we have going on now.
It does look like this time around they're going to be much more critical of the Muslim Brotherhood though:
I mean I don't know what else you call it. That's like, the word to use.
Eh. It has very specific connotations about political legitimacy and establishes an outsider narrative about the dynamic that doesn't reflect what's more of an ongoing and volatile political reformation.
Yeah, it really feels like the protests that started with ousting Mubarak never really ended. Morsi somehow found himself with nominal political control, but only because his main political opponent was a holdover from the Mubarak regime. The public stayed quiet for a while, then turned on him as soon as he tried to grant himself unlimited political powers back in November, and that's just snowballed back into the current shitstorm we have going on now.
big difference is this time is appears that the military will be acting much more clearly on behalf of the secularists and opposition movement there, as opposed to acting for themselves
the question is does the brotherhood go peacefully or do they stir up the nest and try to get violent
i sense that they wont so long as they don't start beheading MB cabinet members in the square
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
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Snowbeati need somethingto kick this thing's ass over the lineRegistered Userregular
assuming that politics involve something beyond "stuff that fits on twitter", i can imagine several scenarios wherein a political leader might believe that he has sufficient reason and/or support to grant himself unlimited powers
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PharezonStruggle is an illusion.Victory is in the Qun.Registered Userregular
I mean I don't know what else you call it. That's like, the word to use.
Eh. It has very specific connotations about political legitimacy and establishes an outsider narrative about the dynamic that doesn't reflect what's more of an ongoing and volatile political reformation.
Yeah, it really feels like the protests that started with ousting Mubarak never really ended. Morsi somehow found himself with nominal political control, but only because his main political opponent was a holdover from the Mubarak regime. The public stayed quiet for a while, then turned on him as soon as he tried to grant himself unlimited political powers back in November, and that's just snowballed back into the current shitstorm we have going on now.
big difference is this time is appears that the military will be acting much more clearly on behalf of the secularists and opposition movement there, as opposed to acting for themselves
the question is does the brotherhood go peacefully or do they stir up the nest and try to get violent
i sense that they wont so long as they don't start beheading MB cabinet members in the square
Heh
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GumpyThere is alwaysa greater powerRegistered Userregular
Pharezon, can you give us a layout of the correct way this situation can be resolved?
assuming that politics involve something beyond "stuff that fits on twitter", i can imagine several scenarios wherein a political leader might believe that he has sufficient reason and/or support to grant himself unlimited powers
My understanding is that this comes not too long after Mubarak faced accusations dealing with abuses of power?
Ah yes, the old, "You cannot personally provide a panacea for a complex, volatile political situation, so therefore you should be happy about what is happening," chestnut.
Ah yes, the old, "You cannot personally provide a panacea for a complex, volatile political situation, so therefore you should be happy about what is happening," chestnut.
How does a modern political leader even manage to entertain the idea of granting themselves unlimited power?
He got scared and desperate, and the constitution of the Muslim Brotherhood was still being drafted at the time, I believe. He tried to draft himself unlimited powers so they could pass a heavily pro-islamic constitution with minimal opposition or oversight, but that blew up in his face pretty much immediately.
So what happens if the Muslim Brotherhood wins the next election?
There will be a parliamentary election first, I think, where a better constitution will be written
one of the problems was Morsi had a TON of power thanks to that constitution which was drafted under similar conditions to that last reel of Lawrence of Arabia when they take over Damascus...
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The US government actually had pretty good inroads with Morsi from what I can tell, and they likely want him to stay in power, but I don't think there's going to be any direct intervention in this one unless it turns into a full-blown civil war.
You're damn right.
Yeah, Morsi was another autocrat willing to play ball.
I mean I don't know what else you call it. That's like, the word to use.
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Eh. It has very specific connotations about political legitimacy and establishes an outsider narrative about the dynamic that doesn't reflect what's more of an ongoing and volatile political reformation.
But O.J. has a knife!
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I don't have a standing opinion on what's going on right now
but I'm definitely gonna be keeping an eye on this
here's hoping for the best for Egyptians
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Yeah, it really feels like the protests that started with ousting Mubarak never really ended. Morsi somehow found himself with nominal political control, but only because his main political opponent was a holdover from the Mubarak regime. The public stayed quiet for a while, then turned on him as soon as he tried to grant himself unlimited political powers back in November, and that's just snowballed back into the current shitstorm we have going on now.
It does look like this time around they're going to be much more critical of the Muslim Brotherhood though:
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we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
big difference is this time is appears that the military will be acting much more clearly on behalf of the secularists and opposition movement there, as opposed to acting for themselves
the question is does the brotherhood go peacefully or do they stir up the nest and try to get violent
i sense that they wont so long as they don't start beheading MB cabinet members in the square
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other
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My understanding is that this comes not too long after Mubarak faced accusations dealing with abuses of power?
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But they need their support to oust Morsi
Once he's gone, who knows?
Basically it'll be years before Egypt has anything approaching a stable government
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Ideally the military would be subservient to the civilian leadership, but not "in the pocket" of anyone.
He got scared and desperate, and the constitution of the Muslim Brotherhood was still being drafted at the time, I believe. He tried to draft himself unlimited powers so they could pass a heavily pro-islamic constitution with minimal opposition or oversight, but that blew up in his face pretty much immediately.
There will be a parliamentary election first, I think, where a better constitution will be written
one of the problems was Morsi had a TON of power thanks to that constitution which was drafted under similar conditions to that last reel of Lawrence of Arabia when they take over Damascus...
we also talk about other random shit and clown upon each other