Looks like the brain geniuses at whatever arms manufacturer makes jaegers remembered that guns exist.
I always had a kind of internalized headcanon that the bodily fluids of a kaiju were so toxic that eviscerating one in the water was just too environmentally damaging that a win that way would be a Pyrrhic victory.
Cause the idea that not using ranged weaponry for starters, or whipping out that chained sword at the FIRST opportunity every time, made me require there a reason they NOT do so. There's a reason humans use weapons. Because punching things isn't as effective as hitting it with something.
I'm pretty sure that's actually something they spell out in the opening to Pacific Rim - Kaiju Blue is toxic to just about everyone and everything on earth.
This is accurate. It's why the Jaegers that had 'edged' weapons commonly noted that they also became super heated as well, to try to cauterize the wounds they inflicted. Some blood still got away of course, but from what I recall from that one writer's blog and some other sources, they found that even upon defeating the initial Kaiju that killing one often lead to blood/fluids getting everywhere in a way that was a total environmental disaster.
"Good news, it's dead. Bad news, it killed a ton of people, tore up a bunch of property, and now you have a giant bloodslick that is even nastier than an actual oilslick".
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Looks like the brain geniuses at whatever arms manufacturer makes jaegers remembered that guns exist.
I always had a kind of internalized headcanon that the bodily fluids of a kaiju were so toxic that eviscerating one in the water was just too environmentally damaging that a win that way would be a Pyrrhic victory.
Cause the idea that not using ranged weaponry for starters, or whipping out that chained sword at the FIRST opportunity every time, made me require there a reason they NOT do so. There's a reason humans use weapons. Because punching things isn't as effective as hitting it with something.
I'm pretty sure that's actually something they spell out in the opening to Pacific Rim - Kaiju Blue is toxic to just about everyone and everything on earth.
This is accurate. It's why the Jaegers that had 'edged' weapons commonly noted that they also became super heated as well, to try to cauterize the wounds they inflicted. Some blood still got away of course, but from what I recall from that one writer's blog and some other sources, they found that even upon defeating the initial Kaiju that killing one often lead to blood/fluids getting everywhere in a way that was a total environmental disaster.
"Good news, it's dead. Bad news, it killed a ton of people, tore up a bunch of property, and now you have a giant bloodslick that is even nastier than an actual oilslick".
I'm wondering if they developed a stronger neutralizing agent so they can go nuts.
They'll mock you by having it in the film, but only playing it in bad quality on an uncool kid's iPhone before interrupting it with a new dubstep theme.
I liked the style of the first movie's early trailers better, but they were also neck deep in BWOOMMMMMMMMM, so while the music here doesn't exactly blow me away, I'm optimistic that it's not necessarily indicative of anything either.
I wouldn't necessarily want them to repeat the boat gag (though I wouldn't complain if they did either), but I do hope they use something absurd as a weapon all the same. It's practically a necessity.
I'm trying to think what else would be big enough.
HQ sends a huge drone flying overhead, jager jumps up, grabs it out of mid-air, and spikes a kaiju in the face with it.
They could have a Jaeger 'glass' a Kaiju by uprooting a tower with a revolving restaurant on top and smash said revolving restaurant into the Kaiju's face.
The creative & philosophical possibilities here are endless!
Yeah, they're definitely raising some questions there. I have a hard time imagining a simple Robot Jox Boxing League arrangement at that size/cost.
My initial assumption is that (spoilers purely for speculation);
Human on human fighting that gets interrupted when the monsters return, or some measure of control exuding by a monster, be it mental or simply infecting the machine in some capacity).
An all black jaeger that has giant chainsaws as weapons.
They may not be a giant chainsaw cock but I can't help but feel that the enemy jaeger design is another Robot Jox nod.
are we resuming the apocalypse?
is it uncancelled?
Apocalypse is coming for tea, and he's bought crumpets.
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A little disappointed that the jaeger designs were clearly moved away from the lumbering, weighty movement from the first film, but I'm just so happy to see this is actually a thing. And also pretty glad they didn't drop the multi-pilot thing, it really does add character to the whole setup. And daytime combat! And rocket packs! I feel like this is something I shouldn't be able to just watch, I should have to inject it or something.
Gives me hope that we'll get a Cherno Omega as an even bigger, even punchier version of Cherno Alpha, piloted by the orphan kids of the original pilots.
A little disappointed that the jaeger designs were clearly moved away from the lumbering, weighty movement from the first film, but I'm just so happy to see this is actually a thing. And also pretty glad they didn't drop the multi-pilot thing, it really does add character to the whole setup. And daytime combat! And rocket packs! I feel like this is something I shouldn't be able to just watch, I should have to inject it or something.
Gives me hope that we'll get a Cherno Omega as an even bigger, even punchier version of Cherno Alpha, piloted by the orphan kids of the original pilots.
are we resuming the apocalypse?
is it uncancelled?
A problem has been detected and Apocalypse has been shut down to prevent damage to life as we know it.
The problem seems to be caused by the following file: ROBOT FIST.SYS
END_TIMES_FAULT_IN_ROBOT_FIST
If this is the first time you have seen this error screen,
restart breach event. If this screen appears again,
follow these steps:
Check to make sure Kaiju lifeforms have gone through
proper conditioning tests. If the problem persists, remove breach and reinstall on a Jaeger-free planetary partition.
Beginning dump of metaphysical memory.
Metaphysical memory dump complete.
Contact your Kaiju trainer or enigmatic alien overlord for further assistance.
Looks like the brain geniuses at whatever arms manufacturer makes jaegers remembered that guns exist.
I always had a kind of internalized headcanon that the bodily fluids of a kaiju were so toxic that eviscerating one in the water was just too environmentally damaging that a win that way would be a Pyrrhic victory.
Cause the idea that not using ranged weaponry for starters, or whipping out that chained sword at the FIRST opportunity every time, made me require there a reason they NOT do so. There's a reason humans use weapons. Because punching things isn't as effective as hitting it with something.
I'm pretty sure that's actually something they spell out in the opening to Pacific Rim - Kaiju Blue is toxic to just about everyone and everything on earth.
I always figured that the fact that everyone had all sorts of bludgeoning and/or cauterizing weapons because of this and Crimson Typhoon had fucking circular saws was a bit of a dig at how China traditionally gave less than a single fuck about environmental concerns.
Looks like the brain geniuses at whatever arms manufacturer makes jaegers remembered that guns exist.
I always had a kind of internalized headcanon that the bodily fluids of a kaiju were so toxic that eviscerating one in the water was just too environmentally damaging that a win that way would be a Pyrrhic victory.
Cause the idea that not using ranged weaponry for starters, or whipping out that chained sword at the FIRST opportunity every time, made me require there a reason they NOT do so. There's a reason humans use weapons. Because punching things isn't as effective as hitting it with something.
I'm pretty sure that's actually something they spell out in the opening to Pacific Rim - Kaiju Blue is toxic to just about everyone and everything on earth.
I always figured that the fact that everyone had all sorts of bludgeoning and/or cauterizing weapons because of this and Crimson Typhoon had fucking circular saws was a bit of a dig at how China traditionally gave less than a single fuck about environmental concerns.
I kind of doubt it?
Like, yes, in theory you could think of something called a plasma cannon as cauterizing... but the visual effect we see on screen hardly suggests that the function of the weapon is to limit the amount of Kaiju blood or viscera spilled all over the place. And Striker just shoots Kaiju in the face with high-caliber cannons; there's nothing cauterizing about it. Bam, bam, monster's head is filled with holes and it collapses into the city streets as people cheer.
I dunno what Cherno was supposed to do. Maybe just punch things? If that's the case, there's gonna be plenty of Kaiju Blue all over the place after it has pulped a monster to death with its fists.
Kaiju Blue is a neat little tidbit of lore that I don't think the audience is supposed to give too much consideration to while watching the movie proper. Certainly I doubt it constrains or guides the art or cinematographic direction of the film.
I just watched the original for the first time last night. As far as why they don't use their more badass weapons all the time, I interpreted it more as a shout out to old giant robot anime than an actual plot point. Like, in ye olde Gundam shows, the main character would always whip out the laser sword at the end of the battle and one shot the previously overpowered enemy; the scene in PR when the main dude goes "we're out of options" and Mako's all "NO WAIT WE STILL HAVE THE SWORD" before bisecting the monster was straight out of mecha tradition.
Overall I enjoyed the movie. Kinda found the main character to be an annoying jackass, and sometimes the cheesy Hollywood feel was a bit much, but the battle scenes were epic enough that I was able to forgive those flaws, and I like the neural link concept for piloting. If the second movie maintains the badassery of the battles I'll dig it.
Yeah, they're definitely raising some questions there. I have a hard time imagining a simple Robot Jox Boxing League arrangement at that size/cost.
My initial assumption is that (spoilers purely for speculation);
Human on human fighting that gets interrupted when the monsters return, or some measure of control exuding by a monster, be it mental or simply infecting the machine in some capacity).
An all black jaeger that has giant chainsaws as weapons.
They may not be a giant chainsaw cock but I can't help but feel that the enemy jaeger design is another Robot Jox nod.
I recall early info about the film suggested that 'jaegers and kaiju would become one' or something like that. I'm kind've picturing a kaiju wearing Gipsy Danger's armor like a suit emerging for the final battle.
Maybe the kaiju-makers only ever developed bio-tech and never used mechanical constructs, so examining Gipsy's remains gave them insight into how to do that? We'll get cyborg kaiju maybe?
I sure hope there is as much love put into the worldbuilding as in the first, a movie which had gipsy dangers pilots with have their own cool symbolized bomber jackets that they wore for 15 seconds from bed to the JEAGER.
And it was awesome
Looks like the brain geniuses at whatever arms manufacturer makes jaegers remembered that guns exist.
I always had a kind of internalized headcanon that the bodily fluids of a kaiju were so toxic that eviscerating one in the water was just too environmentally damaging that a win that way would be a Pyrrhic victory.
Cause the idea that not using ranged weaponry for starters, or whipping out that chained sword at the FIRST opportunity every time, made me require there a reason they NOT do so. There's a reason humans use weapons. Because punching things isn't as effective as hitting it with something.
I'm pretty sure that's actually something they spell out in the opening to Pacific Rim - Kaiju Blue is toxic to just about everyone and everything on earth.
This is accurate. It's why the Jaegers that had 'edged' weapons commonly noted that they also became super heated as well, to try to cauterize the wounds they inflicted. Some blood still got away of course, but from what I recall from that one writer's blog and some other sources, they found that even upon defeating the initial Kaiju that killing one often lead to blood/fluids getting everywhere in a way that was a total environmental disaster.
"Good news, it's dead. Bad news, it killed a ton of people, tore up a bunch of property, and now you have a giant bloodslick that is even nastier than an actual oilslick".
Didn't they mention that the Kaiju were just super amonniated? Hannibal Chau said that Kaiju crap was like super fertilizer for farms.
I mean, yea, this is a mob boss and he's probably not the smartest guy around. Also, yea, when you get too much of one chemical it tends to be toxic for the surrounding area. I was just under the assumption that it wasn't just complete useless toxic waste, but that there were uses for the compounds in kaiju carcasses.
Kind of. The dialogue is this: "What the hell do you want a secondary brain for, anyway? I mean, every part of the Kaiju sells. Cartilage, spleen, liver. Even the crap! One cubic meter of crap has enough phosphorus in it to fertilize a whole field! But the brain, too much Ammonia."
So it's not just Ammonia, that's what makes the brain less valuable apparently.
Kaiju Blue is phosphorescent in nature[1] and highly toxic to the Earth as well as humans. It contaminates the environment where a Kaiju is either injured or killed. When the body of a Kaiju begins to decompose, its blood becomes a vapor (referred to as "bloodmist" by the K-Science division) that allows it to spread throughout the city. The nature of the blood allows it to stain anything, particularly human skin. Though humans use breathing masks as a way of protecting themselves, they can still be infected by the bloodmist.
If Kaiju Blue is inhaled, the victim will begin to cough up a blue vapor. Following the inhalation or exposure to the blood, the human body will go into shock.
In the early stages of the war, HAZMAT teams were dispatched immediately after the Kaiju threat was eliminated to clean up the area and remove the toxic remains. But, as the war progressed, and more Kaiju began to attack, the Kaiju's bodies began to be left where they fell, and the "Kaiju Blue" was left to run.
However in many cases black market dealers in Kaiju parts, such as Hannibal Chau, swooped in after a Kaiju had fallen and neutralized the "Kaiju Blue" to allow them to harvest various body parts. One such case is the body of the Kaiju Reckoner. After it was defeated at Hong Kong in 2016, its carcass was left to rot prior to its conversion into a temple for a Kaiju Cult in the Bone Slums.
So it's not just that it's toxic, but that even when the creature is killed, it still acts as something of a chemical attack/area denial weapon. It's kind of mentioned in passing during the opening, apparently they go into greater detail in the art book and novelization of the movie, and I could swear it was addressed at some point on Travis Beacham's blog or site or something. He went into a lot of detail about behind the scenes stuff, things they decided or made up but didn't necessarily get widely distributed.
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I'd guess it's a biological necessity. They produce waste, and the waste needs to go somewhere. And if that excreted substance is dangerous to the flora/fauna (high phosphorus content aside), all the better.
Could be part of the initial 'terraforming' stages.
I mean, one of them was sent out pregnant. Of course, having one weapon that could go on a rampage and eventually produce another in the field isn't necessarily a bad idea, but that raised a few more questions for me than pooping did.
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If I was making monsters to invade some place of course I'd make everything about them toxic as shit. Why not?
IIRC it was also for terraforming, the main reason the aliens were trying to wipe out humanity was so they could move in, and they needed a polluted environment which humans had started for them.
Not sure why said monsters would have a digestive system/poop, not like they are gonna eat over there just smash
I've had two thoughts on that:
1. The kaiju weren't made from scratch but engineered from existing species in that universe, with traits like size and aggression cranked up several orders of magnitude. They would likely retain many traits that they wouldn't need but which there's no benefit to engineering out of them. Or to sort out all the ancillary effects on development - not having most of the organs of the torso would likely alter how the torso takes shape, and it's easier to leave them there than to design a whole bunch of systems from scratch to take their place.
2. The kaiju we see in holders on the other side of the Breach were just the "ready to go" ones, so to speak. They're raised and may be even bred like livestock and only the ones chosen for deployment are locked up in holders to be fed through the Breach.
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Not sure why said monsters would have a digestive system/poop, not like they are gonna eat over there just smash
I wouldn't be surprised if the kaiju are also living climate converters - they're biological processes act to further terraform the planet for their makers. The kaiju blood affecting the environment may be another form of this - a deliberately engineered biological weapon. The kaiju devour the existing biomatter on a planet and convert it into fuel to speed up the terraformation process. They probably exhale the atmosphere of their native world too.
Also, the kaiju were capable of reproducing, so they need something to fuel the growth of offspring, who also likely speed up the process further.
Not sure why said monsters would have a digestive system/poop, not like they are gonna eat over there just smash
I've had two thoughts on that:
1. The kaiju weren't made from scratch but engineered from existing species in that universe, with traits like size and aggression cranked up several orders of magnitude. They would likely retain many traits that they wouldn't need but which there's no benefit to engineering out of them. Or to sort out all the ancillary effects on development - not having most of the organs of the torso would likely alter how the torso takes shape, and it's easier to leave them there than to design a whole bunch of systems from scratch to take their place.
2. The kaiju we see in holders on the other side of the Breach were just the "ready to go" ones, so to speak. They're raised and may be even bred like livestock and only the ones chosen for deployment are locked up in holders to be fed through the Breach.
My thought is that the kaiju masters built their monsters with the intention that they'd eventually live longer than a couple hours past landfall, so they engineered them with the ability to eat rather than starve to death in a week.
Alternatively, the kaiju are engineered not just to destroy, but to build the precursors for the Masters biotechnology here on Earth. So, while they have the big teeth and claws and assorted other nastiness for destruction, they also contain a number of apparently vestigial organs that, given enough time, would be deposited and grow into a biotechnology base (if not pummeled into fine paste by giant robots). Chao (and other kaiju harvesters) assign these organs names and assumed functions analogous to terrestrial creatures. So, when they get to the long tube shaped storage sack near the aft end of a kaiju, the inert biomatter within is assumed to be feces. Think something like Zerg creep in StarCraft.
The first one also rent on a rampage that lasted for days. It’s possible that first contact, horrifying and destructive as it was, may have been a font of information about their biological processes.
Like... if it stopped at some point to take a shit.
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
The first one also rent on a rampage that lasted for days. It’s possible that first contact, horrifying and destructive as it was, may have been a font of information about their biological processes.
Like... if it stopped at some point to take a shit.
Isn't there a news snippet in that opening montage detailing a big kaiju poo?
The first one also rent on a rampage that lasted for days. It’s possible that first contact, horrifying and destructive as it was, may have been a font of information about their biological processes.
Like... if it stopped at some point to take a shit.
Isn't there a news snippet in that opening montage detailing a big kaiju poo?
No, but Hellboy mentioned that their shit is immensely valuable because small amounts could fertilize entire fields.
The opening montage clip was about their toxic blood.
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This is accurate. It's why the Jaegers that had 'edged' weapons commonly noted that they also became super heated as well, to try to cauterize the wounds they inflicted. Some blood still got away of course, but from what I recall from that one writer's blog and some other sources, they found that even upon defeating the initial Kaiju that killing one often lead to blood/fluids getting everywhere in a way that was a total environmental disaster.
"Good news, it's dead. Bad news, it killed a ton of people, tore up a bunch of property, and now you have a giant bloodslick that is even nastier than an actual oilslick".
I'm wondering if they developed a stronger neutralizing agent so they can go nuts.
They'll mock you by having it in the film, but only playing it in bad quality on an uncool kid's iPhone before interrupting it with a new dubstep theme.
vs
HQ sends a huge drone flying overhead, jager jumps up, grabs it out of mid-air, and spikes a kaiju in the face with it.
The creative & philosophical possibilities here are endless!
They may not be a giant chainsaw cock but I can't help but feel that the enemy jaeger design is another Robot Jox nod.
is it uncancelled?
Reset the clock.
Apocalypse is coming for tea, and he's bought crumpets.
Gives me hope that we'll get a Cherno Omega as an even bigger, even punchier version of Cherno Alpha, piloted by the orphan kids of the original pilots.
with extra radiation exposure
A problem has been detected and Apocalypse has been shut down to prevent damage to life as we know it.
The problem seems to be caused by the following file: ROBOT FIST.SYS
END_TIMES_FAULT_IN_ROBOT_FIST
If this is the first time you have seen this error screen,
restart breach event. If this screen appears again,
follow these steps:
Check to make sure Kaiju lifeforms have gone through
proper conditioning tests. If the problem persists, remove breach and reinstall on a Jaeger-free planetary partition.
Beginning dump of metaphysical memory.
Metaphysical memory dump complete.
Contact your Kaiju trainer or enigmatic alien overlord for further assistance.
I always figured that the fact that everyone had all sorts of bludgeoning and/or cauterizing weapons because of this and Crimson Typhoon had fucking circular saws was a bit of a dig at how China traditionally gave less than a single fuck about environmental concerns.
I kind of doubt it?
Like, yes, in theory you could think of something called a plasma cannon as cauterizing... but the visual effect we see on screen hardly suggests that the function of the weapon is to limit the amount of Kaiju blood or viscera spilled all over the place. And Striker just shoots Kaiju in the face with high-caliber cannons; there's nothing cauterizing about it. Bam, bam, monster's head is filled with holes and it collapses into the city streets as people cheer.
I dunno what Cherno was supposed to do. Maybe just punch things? If that's the case, there's gonna be plenty of Kaiju Blue all over the place after it has pulped a monster to death with its fists.
Kaiju Blue is a neat little tidbit of lore that I don't think the audience is supposed to give too much consideration to while watching the movie proper. Certainly I doubt it constrains or guides the art or cinematographic direction of the film.
Overall I enjoyed the movie. Kinda found the main character to be an annoying jackass, and sometimes the cheesy Hollywood feel was a bit much, but the battle scenes were epic enough that I was able to forgive those flaws, and I like the neural link concept for piloting. If the second movie maintains the badassery of the battles I'll dig it.
I recall early info about the film suggested that 'jaegers and kaiju would become one' or something like that. I'm kind've picturing a kaiju wearing Gipsy Danger's armor like a suit emerging for the final battle.
Maybe the kaiju-makers only ever developed bio-tech and never used mechanical constructs, so examining Gipsy's remains gave them insight into how to do that? We'll get cyborg kaiju maybe?
“What will you name him?”
“Jake.”
Nah Jake will still be wearing Poe's jacket
They can even call it ornith adjudicator
Didn't they mention that the Kaiju were just super amonniated? Hannibal Chau said that Kaiju crap was like super fertilizer for farms.
I mean, yea, this is a mob boss and he's probably not the smartest guy around. Also, yea, when you get too much of one chemical it tends to be toxic for the surrounding area. I was just under the assumption that it wasn't just complete useless toxic waste, but that there were uses for the compounds in kaiju carcasses.
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So it's not just Ammonia, that's what makes the brain less valuable apparently.
The Wiki says this;
So it's not just that it's toxic, but that even when the creature is killed, it still acts as something of a chemical attack/area denial weapon. It's kind of mentioned in passing during the opening, apparently they go into greater detail in the art book and novelization of the movie, and I could swear it was addressed at some point on Travis Beacham's blog or site or something. He went into a lot of detail about behind the scenes stuff, things they decided or made up but didn't necessarily get widely distributed.
Could be part of the initial 'terraforming' stages.
I mean, one of them was sent out pregnant. Of course, having one weapon that could go on a rampage and eventually produce another in the field isn't necessarily a bad idea, but that raised a few more questions for me than pooping did.
It's like with the xenomorphs and their acidic blood
IIRC it was also for terraforming, the main reason the aliens were trying to wipe out humanity was so they could move in, and they needed a polluted environment which humans had started for them.
I've had two thoughts on that:
1. The kaiju weren't made from scratch but engineered from existing species in that universe, with traits like size and aggression cranked up several orders of magnitude. They would likely retain many traits that they wouldn't need but which there's no benefit to engineering out of them. Or to sort out all the ancillary effects on development - not having most of the organs of the torso would likely alter how the torso takes shape, and it's easier to leave them there than to design a whole bunch of systems from scratch to take their place.
2. The kaiju we see in holders on the other side of the Breach were just the "ready to go" ones, so to speak. They're raised and may be even bred like livestock and only the ones chosen for deployment are locked up in holders to be fed through the Breach.
I wouldn't be surprised if the kaiju are also living climate converters - they're biological processes act to further terraform the planet for their makers. The kaiju blood affecting the environment may be another form of this - a deliberately engineered biological weapon. The kaiju devour the existing biomatter on a planet and convert it into fuel to speed up the terraformation process. They probably exhale the atmosphere of their native world too.
Also, the kaiju were capable of reproducing, so they need something to fuel the growth of offspring, who also likely speed up the process further.
My thought is that the kaiju masters built their monsters with the intention that they'd eventually live longer than a couple hours past landfall, so they engineered them with the ability to eat rather than starve to death in a week.
Alternatively, the kaiju are engineered not just to destroy, but to build the precursors for the Masters biotechnology here on Earth. So, while they have the big teeth and claws and assorted other nastiness for destruction, they also contain a number of apparently vestigial organs that, given enough time, would be deposited and grow into a biotechnology base (if not pummeled into fine paste by giant robots). Chao (and other kaiju harvesters) assign these organs names and assumed functions analogous to terrestrial creatures. So, when they get to the long tube shaped storage sack near the aft end of a kaiju, the inert biomatter within is assumed to be feces. Think something like Zerg creep in StarCraft.
Like... if it stopped at some point to take a shit.
Isn't there a news snippet in that opening montage detailing a big kaiju poo?
No, but Hellboy mentioned that their shit is immensely valuable because small amounts could fertilize entire fields.
The opening montage clip was about their toxic blood.