Can I just say I really hate this attitude attached to e-sports titles where everyone must always suck until they reach some arbitary point of not suck?
Really irritates me. Like on the same level of annoyance as using the word tryhard in a serious context.
Sure is uppity in here... Anywho: Bear Cavalry Sejuani is op. Must give like +1 to Sejuani power.
Some overconfident Zed said I didn't deserve the skin because he dove me with his ult after he got super fed from our 1/5 midlane Heimer.
I then ulted him/Rumble/Vayne the next teamfight and we killed them in under 4 seconds while they were helpless. His response? 'Omg my keyboard is acting up.'
Sure, bro, sure.
"You should refund that skin" is the dumbest insult I've ever seen in this game. Like, these people actually feel like you must never have a bad game while using a skin or else you don't deserve to use it, haha. My extra discretionary income is what lets me play dress up with my league champs, and I need no validation, hah.
I definitely don't need any advice about jungling, heh.
get out of this habit
I'd appreciate if you aren't snarky for no reason. I didn't elaborate, but what I really meant was "I don't need advice from you." I've learned everything I know about jungling from doing it myself, but more importantly watching pro players, both in LCS and also when they play solo queue. And frankly, I'm pretty god damned good at the jungle. I have very very good jungle awareness. My win rate with jungle is between 60-80% with all junglers that I play in ranked.
If you want to elaborate on any of your posts with something more than a one sentence witticism, please do and I'd be glad to engage in discussion.
snarky for no reason? that's two posts of yours in a row that i've responded to where you typed something you didn't mean. i'm sorry if I couldn't read your hidden, passive-aggressive meaning. my first post told you to get out of the habit of not timing things as a jungler which is 100% good advice. to which you then said woops I actually do time things I just don't need it most of the time. the second time I said get out of the habit of thinking you are beyond advice. to which you said woops I do use advice but I don't need advice from you because I am actually a golden god at the jungle.
and this is probably going to seem like an unnecessary jab, but frankly, if you were as pretty god damned good at the jungle as you think you are, you wouldn't be in silver. the difference between me and you is I wish I was pretty god damned good at mid, jungle, ad carry, whatever. I'm in gold and I suck. true improvement doesn't come until you realize how shit you actually are.
It's not an unnecessary jab. It is a very good reality check.
Can I just say I really hate this attitude attached to e-sports titles where everyone must always suck until they reach some arbitary point of not suck?
Really irritates me. Like on the same level of annoyance as using the word tryhard in a serious context.
What Riot should do is have a second ranking system where your attitude determines what you are. Like you're platinum in ranked, but you're a negative jerk to your team all the time, so you get a secondary attitude rank of cardboard, and everybody can see it.
It's like the opposite of the ribbons. We just shame all the people who show patterns of negative attitude and toxic behavior.
Can I just say I really hate this attitude attached to e-sports titles where everyone must always suck until they reach some arbitary point of not suck?
Really irritates me. Like on the same level of annoyance as using the word tryhard in a serious context.
have you not seen this ~in real life~? it is not something specific to e-sports at all
and it is not self-loathing (though it can be), it is self-critiquing
Can I just say I really hate this attitude attached to e-sports titles where everyone must always suck until they reach some arbitary point of not suck?
Really irritates me. Like on the same level of annoyance as using the word tryhard in a serious context.
The point isn't that you have to reach some arbitrary level of expertise where you will stop sucking.
The point is that nobody plays perfectly in a game this complex, and everyone will make mistakes. Generally, people will make consistent mistakes - maybe your last-hitting is poor, maybe your decision making is poor, maybe you're too aggressive, etc., etc. When the best players in the world make frequent mistakes, then it's a safe bet to assume that there will be parts of your performance that suck.
And when it's a safe bet that you're not playing perfectly, what harm is there in taking advice from others on how to improve your play?
"I want to improve, and recognize that I can get better than bronze" is not the same as other people telling you you're shit at the game because you're in bronze. That's what Albino is talking about, and he's right. People use "bronze player" as an insult to say somebody is trash at the game, and frankly, people who do that are toxic scumbags.
I definitely don't need any advice about jungling, heh.
get out of this habit
I'd appreciate if you aren't snarky for no reason. I didn't elaborate, but what I really meant was "I don't need advice from you." I've learned everything I know about jungling from doing it myself, but more importantly watching pro players, both in LCS and also when they play solo queue. And frankly, I'm pretty god damned good at the jungle. I have very very good jungle awareness. My win rate with jungle is between 60-80% with all junglers that I play in ranked.
If you want to elaborate on any of your posts with something more than a one sentence witticism, please do and I'd be glad to engage in discussion.
snarky for no reason? that's two posts of yours in a row that i've responded to where you typed something you didn't mean. i'm sorry if I couldn't read your hidden, passive-aggressive meaning. my first post told you to get out of the habit of not timing things as a jungler which is 100% good advice. to which you then said woops I actually do time things I just don't need it most of the time. the second time I said get out of the habit of thinking you are beyond advice. to which you said woops I do use advice but I don't need advice from you because I am actually a golden god at the jungle.
and this is probably going to seem like an unnecessary jab, but frankly, if you were as pretty god damned good at the jungle as you think you are, you wouldn't be in silver. the difference between me and you is I wish I was pretty god damned good at mid, jungle, ad carry, whatever. I'm in gold and I suck. true improvement doesn't come until you realize how shit you actually are.
As Albino pointed out, your responses were merely snark. You know it, and I know it. I expect the people in this thread to type thoughtful responses, not one sentence sarcasm. Most of the people in this thread are better than that.
As for your e-peen comparison, since I've start filling roles in champ select instead of taking whatever I feel like that game and playing more support and jungle, I'm on a huge win streak and my MMR is putting me against golds, so I have no doubt that I'll make it to gold if I keep working at it. I'm not going to say I suck, because I don't feel that way. I feel like i'm where I belong until I'm not any more, and always trying to improve any weaknesses I have in my game, but being gold, silver, or even bronze doesn't make you suck. Other people will always be better than you, and this is a video game, so if somebody is only ever in bronze, if they enjoy playing the game, they don't need to self-loathe about it. =P
Bronze 4 life yo!
Seriously though, the best advice for everything is stay positive. Including about yourself. I'm not great at the game but I: Learn, have fun, tryhard. Which to be honest is half the battle right?
I don't like jungling, though. My favorite part of the game is laning, so it's sad to miss that. I also get really stressed out that my ganks are subpar or too infrequent or too frequent and I don't get how to jungle farm. I'm 1-4 in jungle ranked. I guess I should probably try to support instead of jungling because I am pretty ok at botlane. But then when I'm support I try to make calls and they are often really shitty calls. Maybe I'll try more support and just provide vision and ping but not initiate dragon or anything.
Speaking of support, I will try Nami during free week since you guys seem to love her. I tried in a botgame and had a lot of fun. Her bubble is basically the same timing as Cho'gath's rupture, right? Or is it a bit faster? Anyway, the bots definitely don't move the was I would expect people to, but maybe I could land these bubbles with some practice, since I can land ruptures often.
I just still really love playing adc though. Had time for a single draft pick normal last night. I played as Caitlyn with "I guess I'll support" Nautilus vs Ashe and Taric. At the beginning of the game, I try out my new thing and say something like "hey naut, my damage isn't super high until I get some items, so let's be careful about all-ins, okay?" Doesn't matter because Nautilus doesn't connect. I'm actually really fine with this and happily 1 v 2 my lane, don't even have to farm under tower (we hung out at mid lane), out-cs Ashe. Finally Nautilus comes back ("sorry was eating") when I'm lvl 4 or 5. I take it back to my tower so he can leech xp without dying. We finally die to a jungle gank, but it's ok, I'm still up tons of cs. We take bot tower first, help push mid, win game.
I think it does say something that I would rather 1 v 2 botlane than have a reluctant support, though. Things got a lot more difficult once Nautilus came and started trying to kill himself.
The problem with anybody, basically ever telling another person in the game that they suck is that with the exception of smurfing (or questionable use of duo-queue), everybody in the game has a comparable skill level. Ranked queues are full enough that you basically never have to get matched up in a peculiar way, or with a particularly high spread of skill. The fact that you're playing together is proof enough.
It would not be a particularly hard point to argue that, in ranked queues in LoL, there is literally nobody in the entire world who sucks, relative to his competitors.
I don't like jungling, though. My favorite part of the game is laning, so it's sad to miss that. I also get really stressed out that my ganks are subpar or too infrequent or too frequent and I don't get how to jungle farm. I'm 1-4 in jungle ranked. I guess I should probably try to support instead of jungling because I am pretty ok at botlane. But then when I'm support I try to make calls and they are often really shitty calls. Maybe I'll try more support and just provide vision and ping but not initiate dragon or anything.
Speaking of support, I will try Nami during free week since you guys seem to love her. I tried in a botgame and had a lot of fun. Her bubble is basically the same timing as Cho'gath's rupture, right? Or is it a bit faster? Anyway, the bots definitely don't move the was I would expect people to, but maybe I could land these bubbles with some practice, since I can land ruptures often.
I just still really love playing adc though. Had time for a single draft pick normal last night. I played as Caitlyn with "I guess I'll support" Nautilus vs Ashe and Taric. At the beginning of the game, I try out my new thing and say something like "hey naut, my damage isn't super high until I get some items, so let's be careful about all-ins, okay?" Doesn't matter because Nautilus doesn't connect. I'm actually really fine with this and happily 1 v 2 my lane, don't even have to farm under tower (we hung out at mid lane), out-cs Ashe. Finally Nautilus comes back ("sorry was eating") when I'm lvl 4 or 5. I take it back to my tower so he can leech xp without dying. We finally die to a jungle gank, but it's ok, I'm still up tons of cs. We take bot tower first, help push mid, win game.
I think it does say something that I would rather 1 v 2 botlane than have a reluctant support, though. Things got a lot more difficult once Nautilus came and started trying to kill himself.
Honestly, if you don't enjoy jungling, I wouldn't even work on improving at it unless you feel you'll be stuck doing it in a high number of games, which honestly is unlikely. There's usually someone on champ select who wants to jungle. Jungle turns the game from "winning my lane" to "managing all the objectives on the map, keeping up my farm, but also trying to be in the right place at the right time all laning phase," and frankly, it's really hard if you're not the kind of person who is into doing it a ton and learning the ins and outs.
The problem with anybody, basically ever telling another person in the game that they suck is that with the exception of smurfing (or questionable use of duo-queue), everybody in the game has a comparable skill level. Ranked queues are full enough that you basically never have to get matched up in a peculiar way, or with a particularly high spread of skill. The fact that you're playing together is proof enough.
It would not be a particularly hard point to argue that, in ranked queues in LoL, there is literally nobody in the entire world who sucks, relative to his competitors.
This isn't true though.
If you're on your way to high gold or platinum you're certainly going to make that silver enemy ADC look foolish.
The problem with anybody, basically ever telling another person in the game that they suck is that with the exception of smurfing (or questionable use of duo-queue), everybody in the game has a comparable skill level. Ranked queues are full enough that you basically never have to get matched up in a peculiar way, or with a particularly high spread of skill. The fact that you're playing together is proof enough.
It would not be a particularly hard point to argue that, in ranked queues in LoL, there is literally nobody in the entire world who sucks, relative to his competitors.
This isn't true though.
If you're on your way to high gold or platinum you're certainly going to make that silver enemy ADC look foolish.
That's not the silver ADC sucking, that's you owning. You are the outlier here, not him. He is average, while you are a rising star in this scenario.
People who are completely alien to the idea of another player having a single bad game can fuck right off.
No kidding. Like, I don't get how you can have that cognitive dissonance where you rage on somebody for their bad game as though you never have one yourself. It's why when I'm having a bad game and somebody bitches, I just tell them I'm having a bad game, and I'll try to bounce back and do better as I farm up, and if I have a teammate who is losing, I will tell them to keep their head up and just keep trying. Like, it's not like somebody who is losing lane needs you to tell them about it, heh.
I don't like jungling, though. My favorite part of the game is laning, so it's sad to miss that. I also get really stressed out that my ganks are subpar or too infrequent or too frequent and I don't get how to jungle farm. I'm 1-4 in jungle ranked. I guess I should probably try to support instead of jungling because I am pretty ok at botlane. But then when I'm support I try to make calls and they are often really shitty calls. Maybe I'll try more support and just provide vision and ping but not initiate dragon or anything.
Speaking of support, I will try Nami during free week since you guys seem to love her. I tried in a botgame and had a lot of fun. Her bubble is basically the same timing as Cho'gath's rupture, right? Or is it a bit faster? Anyway, the bots definitely don't move the was I would expect people to, but maybe I could land these bubbles with some practice, since I can land ruptures often.
I just still really love playing adc though. Had time for a single draft pick normal last night. I played as Caitlyn with "I guess I'll support" Nautilus vs Ashe and Taric. At the beginning of the game, I try out my new thing and say something like "hey naut, my damage isn't super high until I get some items, so let's be careful about all-ins, okay?" Doesn't matter because Nautilus doesn't connect. I'm actually really fine with this and happily 1 v 2 my lane, don't even have to farm under tower (we hung out at mid lane), out-cs Ashe. Finally Nautilus comes back ("sorry was eating") when I'm lvl 4 or 5. I take it back to my tower so he can leech xp without dying. We finally die to a jungle gank, but it's ok, I'm still up tons of cs. We take bot tower first, help push mid, win game.
I think it does say something that I would rather 1 v 2 botlane than have a reluctant support, though. Things got a lot more difficult once Nautilus came and started trying to kill himself.
Honestly, if you don't enjoy jungling, I wouldn't even work on improving at it unless you feel you'll be stuck doing it in a high number of games, which honestly is unlikely. There's usually someone on champ select who wants to jungle. Jungle turns the game from "winning my lane" to "managing all the objectives on the map, keeping up my farm, but also trying to be in the right place at the right time all laning phase," and frankly, it's really hard if you're not the kind of person who is into doing it a ton and learning the ins and outs.
I've gotten stuck jungling more than I've gotten stuck as support. This is probably because I mistakenly looked at the choice between the two leftover roles, jungle and support, and chose jungle. (Also with the mistaken thought "I want our team to have Cho'gath in team fights so it does not quite matter whether I'm a great jungler during laning phase")
I want to be able to jungle because, as you've mentioned, it's a role that is problematic if someone is doing it unwillingly/inexpertly. And I don't know what elo it is that people actually choose jungle and/or support every game but it sure isn't mine.
For now I'll jungle a bit in blind pick normals sometimes and see what happens. (what happens is that my normals MMR tanks hard)
Also, on a different topic, I must mention that I kinda really like the word tryhard and started applying it sometimes to my daily life. E.g., "Today I'm really going to tryhard in lab and finish my prep in one day instead of being lazy and letting it sit overnight."
"Today I'm going to tryhard and not surf the internet at work."
I do try to keep the word tryhard restricted to my thoughts and not actually say it out loud because I recognize it's a bit terrible.
Can I just say I really hate this attitude attached to e-sports titles where everyone must always suck until they reach some arbitary point of not suck?
Really irritates me. Like on the same level of annoyance as using the word tryhard in a serious context.
have you not seen this ~in real life~? it is not something specific to e-sports at all
and it is not self-loathing (though it can be), it is self-critiquing
Yeah no, the issue is people go too far and refuse to have any actual pride in their gameplay because 'I'm not X yet'.
There's a difference between wanting to improve and acting like until you have improved you're absolutely terrible.
Fun fact: in my last placement match I actually had someone pull the "I'm a diamond smurf" card.
i played a normal last night with guys who range gold-plat, with me being a bronzer, and out plat went liss vs. diamond zyra and got utterly stomped.
most people really dont really understand what the skill level differences are. i know i've hit true smurfs in games before, and it's been like "oh, let me see, i have 50 cs... how the fark do they have 120 already" type of situations.
i've also never had someone claim to be a smurf that was a smurf before they've been able to 1v5...
basically, if someone claims to be smurfing before it's obvious, you know you gots a troll.
Fun fact: in my last placement match I actually had someone pull the "I'm a diamond smurf" card.
i played a normal last night with guys who range gold-plat, with me being a bronzer, and out plat went liss vs. diamond zyra and got utterly stomped.
most people really dont really understand what the skill level differences are. i know i've hit true smurfs in games before, and it's been like "oh, let me see, i have 50 cs... how the fark do they have 120 already" type of situations.
i've also never had someone claim to be a smurf that was a smurf before they've been able to 1v5...
basically, if someone claims to be smurfing before it's obvious, you know you gots a troll.
I was playing a ranked game with someone who claimed he was a smurf and goes to give his twitch stream. Well since he was ADC (Trist) and I was support (Zyra) I decided to bring his stream up on my laptop while I played.
I told him I was on his stream (my twitch name being the same as my LOL name) and he proceed to say to his stream that I was bad and he was going to report me. Oops he forgot I was in the room (not like he had more than 3 people watching anyway) and when I called him on his goosery he quickly appologized and looked embarassed. Yeah I guess it's not so easy to talk about people when they can hear you huh? He was also not good with Trist but still good enough to secure the easy win
Edit: He also told the other team his twitch account so the opposing team had a 5 second delay full map ward. Though again it didn't matter
I'm now 5-0 with Nami in ranked. I'm not sure if jungle or support is easier for me to carry with, but they're both feeling super easy for the last 25 games or so. I'm 23-2 in this stretch. This last one I had a duo Qed bronze 1 Tristana with me against a Silver 1 Twitch, so I didn't want to go too agro, and predictably, they bullied our lane just a little bit. Being Twitch/Nunu versus Tristana makes that easy anyway, but props to their bot lane. Our Trist farmed well and we got her a couple kills so we did alright though, and our top Singed farmed as well as he could in a tough Teemo lane, and our mid Yorick did a pretty good job versus their Pantheon.
My vision and my team working together just won us the game though. We had all outer turrets forced down before they got 1, I pinked dragons and Nunu did not counter pink so we got every dragon free, and we slowly inched out a lead. The game ended after we took mid inhib, then I put(not joking) 12 wards just in their top jungle and around baron. There was literally nowhere in their top jungle or around baron they could be where we couldn't see, so when they tried to come contest the baron we were fighting(which I cleared with oracles) we killed 3 instantly and just went and ended the game.
After I get chalice/ruby sightstone/philo/mobos on Nami, I literally only buy oracles and wards. I'll try to get Mikael's if I think it'll save my ADC, but otherwise I buy 5 to 10 green wards every back on top of my sightstone. Pretty easy to win when you have knowledge of every enemy's location all the time, heh.
The problem with anybody, basically ever telling another person in the game that they suck is that with the exception of smurfing (or questionable use of duo-queue), everybody in the game has a comparable skill level. Ranked queues are full enough that you basically never have to get matched up in a peculiar way, or with a particularly high spread of skill. The fact that you're playing together is proof enough.
It would not be a particularly hard point to argue that, in ranked queues in LoL, there is literally nobody in the entire world who sucks, relative to his competitors.
The most hilarious one is people on the other team telling you you suck... when they lost.
Two ranked games ago. 2/3/31 out of 37 kills for my team as Nami.
Enemy Soraka (who picked Soraka into Nami) and whom i just destroyed in lane. "you're bad, you only got those assists because of your team"
Studies of human psyche generally show that negative reinforcement tends to wear off over time and hence isn't that great of a solution. Positive reinforcement works better for effecting long-term changes.
Personally I am all for summary execution unto three generations in either direction...
but that's why Morello is evil overlord and not me.
I don't like jungling, though. My favorite part of the game is laning, so it's sad to miss that. I also get really stressed out that my ganks are subpar or too infrequent or too frequent and I don't get how to jungle farm. I'm 1-4 in jungle ranked. I guess I should probably try to support instead of jungling because I am pretty ok at botlane. But then when I'm support I try to make calls and they are often really shitty calls. Maybe I'll try more support and just provide vision and ping but not initiate dragon or anything.
Speaking of support, I will try Nami during free week since you guys seem to love her. I tried in a botgame and had a lot of fun. Her bubble is basically the same timing as Cho'gath's rupture, right? Or is it a bit faster? Anyway, the bots definitely don't move the was I would expect people to, but maybe I could land these bubbles with some practice, since I can land ruptures often.
I just still really love playing adc though. Had time for a single draft pick normal last night. I played as Caitlyn with "I guess I'll support" Nautilus vs Ashe and Taric. At the beginning of the game, I try out my new thing and say something like "hey naut, my damage isn't super high until I get some items, so let's be careful about all-ins, okay?" Doesn't matter because Nautilus doesn't connect. I'm actually really fine with this and happily 1 v 2 my lane, don't even have to farm under tower (we hung out at mid lane), out-cs Ashe. Finally Nautilus comes back ("sorry was eating") when I'm lvl 4 or 5. I take it back to my tower so he can leech xp without dying. We finally die to a jungle gank, but it's ok, I'm still up tons of cs. We take bot tower first, help push mid, win game.
I think it does say something that I would rather 1 v 2 botlane than have a reluctant support, though. Things got a lot more difficult once Nautilus came and started trying to kill himself.
Honestly, if you don't enjoy jungling, I wouldn't even work on improving at it unless you feel you'll be stuck doing it in a high number of games, which honestly is unlikely. There's usually someone on champ select who wants to jungle. Jungle turns the game from "winning my lane" to "managing all the objectives on the map, keeping up my farm, but also trying to be in the right place at the right time all laning phase," and frankly, it's really hard if you're not the kind of person who is into doing it a ton and learning the ins and outs.
I've gotten stuck jungling more than I've gotten stuck as support. This is probably because I mistakenly looked at the choice between the two leftover roles, jungle and support, and chose jungle. (Also with the mistaken thought "I want our team to have Cho'gath in team fights so it does not quite matter whether I'm a great jungler during laning phase")
I want to be able to jungle because, as you've mentioned, it's a role that is problematic if someone is doing it unwillingly/inexpertly. And I don't know what elo it is that people actually choose jungle and/or support every game but it sure isn't mine.
For now I'll jungle a bit in blind pick normals sometimes and see what happens. (what happens is that my normals MMR tanks hard)
Also, on a different topic, I must mention that I kinda really like the word tryhard and started applying it sometimes to my daily life. E.g., "Today I'm really going to tryhard in lab and finish my prep in one day instead of being lazy and letting it sit overnight."
"Today I'm going to tryhard and not surf the internet at work."
I do try to keep the word tryhard restricted to my thoughts and not actually say it out loud because I recognize it's a bit terrible.
Cho'gath is a perfectly viable support too. Knockup and Silence don't need AP behind them to screw someones day.
"Hey guys, we're super excited for some of the upcoming changes with this patch. We've seen some really good results from the Tribunal, but we wanted to spice things up a bit and give players a reason to always be at their best! So starting in Season 4, if you die in the game you die for real."
"Hey guys, we're super excited for some of the upcoming changes with this patch. We've seen some really good results from the Tribunal, but we wanted to spice things up a bit and give players a reason to always be at their best! So starting in Season 4, if you die in the game you die for real."
Tonight ranked has taught me two things; I think I'm in love with bruiser Karma, and Spirit Visage is kind of stupidly strong now.
The Spirit Visage/Banshee's Veil combo is pretty obnoxious, as well. By the end of the game their Eve and LeBlanc could dump both their full combos on me and I'd still have half my health.
Tonight ranked has taught me two things; I think I'm in love with bruiser Karma, and Spirit Visage is kind of stupidly strong now.
The Spirit Visage/Banshee's Veil combo is pretty obnoxious, as well. By the end of the game their Eve and LeBlanc could dump both their full combos on me and I'd still have half my health.
i imagine its built/played similar to bruiser swain except instead of constant regen with swains ult you have the huge burst regen with baiting people then empower your W
i imagine its built/played similar to bruiser swain except instead of constant regen with swains ult you have the huge burst regen with baiting people then empower your W
Tonight ranked has taught me two things; I think I'm in love with bruiser Karma, and Spirit Visage is kind of stupidly strong now.
The Spirit Visage/Banshee's Veil combo is pretty obnoxious, as well. By the end of the game their Eve and LeBlanc could dump both their full combos on me and I'd still have half my health.
Teach me about bruiser karma.
Caveat: I have no idea what I'm doing.
The vague idea is that you build tanky-ish items, get in the enemy's face, lock down their movement and soak up a huge amount of damage with Karma's shield and heal. In my last game I built a Pimp Cup, Sorc Boots, Spirit Visage and Banshee's Veil; stuff like Abyssal, Rylai's, Zhonya's and Liandry's would also be good. The sort of things you might see on Elise or Amumu.
It works because she's a pseudo-support who doesn't really need any items to make an impact, so she definitely doesn't need to build glass cannon. Another source of magic damage on your team is useful, and if there's an AD carry on your team that needs extra peel then they'll love you. She's also great against top laners without hard CC because of her movement speed buffs - I've laned against a few Volibears who literally cannot touch her.
I haven't played that many games with her, but it feels like she's in a really good place and she's probably going to be one of my go-to top and mid laners for a while.
Tonight ranked has taught me two things; I think I'm in love with bruiser Karma, and Spirit Visage is kind of stupidly strong now.
The Spirit Visage/Banshee's Veil combo is pretty obnoxious, as well. By the end of the game their Eve and LeBlanc could dump both their full combos on me and I'd still have half my health.
Teach me about bruiser karma.
Caveat: I have no idea what I'm doing.
The vague idea is that you build tanky-ish items, get in the enemy's face, lock down their movement and soak up a huge amount of damage with Karma's shield and heal. In my last game I built a Pimp Cup, Sorc Boots, Spirit Visage and Banshee's Veil; stuff like Abyssal, Rylai's, Zhonya's and Liandry's would also be good. The sort of things you might see on Elise or Amumu.
It works because she's a pseudo-support who doesn't really need any items to make an impact, so she definitely doesn't need to build glass cannon. Another source of magic damage on your team is useful, and if there's an AD carry on your team that needs extra peel then they'll love you. She's also great against top laners without hard CC because of her movement speed buffs - I've laned against a few Volibears who literally cannot touch her.
I haven't played that many games with her, but it feels like she's in a really good place and she's probably going to be one of my go-to top and mid laners for a while.
I was of the impression that Karma was someone who needed a lot of AP to have a ton of impact. I have only played her a handful of times in SR (one of which was me, mid, utterly destroying Lee Sin, and gained me my current promo series), but it seems like she is really meant to be built out of glass. What do you say to that?
Keeping in mind I am just generally bad at taking damage, so maybe this just doesn't make sense to me at a basic level. I don't think I've ever played a tank properly, though I've tried several times.
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Really irritates me. Like on the same level of annoyance as using the word tryhard in a serious context.
"You should refund that skin" is the dumbest insult I've ever seen in this game. Like, these people actually feel like you must never have a bad game while using a skin or else you don't deserve to use it, haha. My extra discretionary income is what lets me play dress up with my league champs, and I need no validation, hah.
It's not an unnecessary jab. It is a very good reality check.
What Riot should do is have a second ranking system where your attitude determines what you are. Like you're platinum in ranked, but you're a negative jerk to your team all the time, so you get a secondary attitude rank of cardboard, and everybody can see it.
It's like the opposite of the ribbons. We just shame all the people who show patterns of negative attitude and toxic behavior.
have you not seen this ~in real life~? it is not something specific to e-sports at all
and it is not self-loathing (though it can be), it is self-critiquing
The point isn't that you have to reach some arbitrary level of expertise where you will stop sucking.
The point is that nobody plays perfectly in a game this complex, and everyone will make mistakes. Generally, people will make consistent mistakes - maybe your last-hitting is poor, maybe your decision making is poor, maybe you're too aggressive, etc., etc. When the best players in the world make frequent mistakes, then it's a safe bet to assume that there will be parts of your performance that suck.
And when it's a safe bet that you're not playing perfectly, what harm is there in taking advice from others on how to improve your play?
I like this article
Bronze 4 life yo!
Seriously though, the best advice for everything is stay positive. Including about yourself. I'm not great at the game but I: Learn, have fun, tryhard. Which to be honest is half the battle right?
PSN: SoulCrusherJared
I don't like jungling, though. My favorite part of the game is laning, so it's sad to miss that. I also get really stressed out that my ganks are subpar or too infrequent or too frequent and I don't get how to jungle farm. I'm 1-4 in jungle ranked. I guess I should probably try to support instead of jungling because I am pretty ok at botlane. But then when I'm support I try to make calls and they are often really shitty calls. Maybe I'll try more support and just provide vision and ping but not initiate dragon or anything.
Speaking of support, I will try Nami during free week since you guys seem to love her. I tried in a botgame and had a lot of fun. Her bubble is basically the same timing as Cho'gath's rupture, right? Or is it a bit faster? Anyway, the bots definitely don't move the was I would expect people to, but maybe I could land these bubbles with some practice, since I can land ruptures often.
I just still really love playing adc though. Had time for a single draft pick normal last night. I played as Caitlyn with "I guess I'll support" Nautilus vs Ashe and Taric. At the beginning of the game, I try out my new thing and say something like "hey naut, my damage isn't super high until I get some items, so let's be careful about all-ins, okay?" Doesn't matter because Nautilus doesn't connect. I'm actually really fine with this and happily 1 v 2 my lane, don't even have to farm under tower (we hung out at mid lane), out-cs Ashe. Finally Nautilus comes back ("sorry was eating") when I'm lvl 4 or 5. I take it back to my tower so he can leech xp without dying. We finally die to a jungle gank, but it's ok, I'm still up tons of cs. We take bot tower first, help push mid, win game.
I think it does say something that I would rather 1 v 2 botlane than have a reluctant support, though. Things got a lot more difficult once Nautilus came and started trying to kill himself.
It would not be a particularly hard point to argue that, in ranked queues in LoL, there is literally nobody in the entire world who sucks, relative to his competitors.
Honestly, if you don't enjoy jungling, I wouldn't even work on improving at it unless you feel you'll be stuck doing it in a high number of games, which honestly is unlikely. There's usually someone on champ select who wants to jungle. Jungle turns the game from "winning my lane" to "managing all the objectives on the map, keeping up my farm, but also trying to be in the right place at the right time all laning phase," and frankly, it's really hard if you're not the kind of person who is into doing it a ton and learning the ins and outs.
This isn't true though.
If you're on your way to high gold or platinum you're certainly going to make that silver enemy ADC look foolish.
Truf
That's not the silver ADC sucking, that's you owning. You are the outlier here, not him. He is average, while you are a rising star in this scenario.
No kidding. Like, I don't get how you can have that cognitive dissonance where you rage on somebody for their bad game as though you never have one yourself. It's why when I'm having a bad game and somebody bitches, I just tell them I'm having a bad game, and I'll try to bounce back and do better as I farm up, and if I have a teammate who is losing, I will tell them to keep their head up and just keep trying. Like, it's not like somebody who is losing lane needs you to tell them about it, heh.
I've gotten stuck jungling more than I've gotten stuck as support. This is probably because I mistakenly looked at the choice between the two leftover roles, jungle and support, and chose jungle. (Also with the mistaken thought "I want our team to have Cho'gath in team fights so it does not quite matter whether I'm a great jungler during laning phase")
I want to be able to jungle because, as you've mentioned, it's a role that is problematic if someone is doing it unwillingly/inexpertly. And I don't know what elo it is that people actually choose jungle and/or support every game but it sure isn't mine.
For now I'll jungle a bit in blind pick normals sometimes and see what happens. (what happens is that my normals MMR tanks hard)
Also, on a different topic, I must mention that I kinda really like the word tryhard and started applying it sometimes to my daily life. E.g., "Today I'm really going to tryhard in lab and finish my prep in one day instead of being lazy and letting it sit overnight."
"Today I'm going to tryhard and not surf the internet at work."
I do try to keep the word tryhard restricted to my thoughts and not actually say it out loud because I recognize it's a bit terrible.
Yeah no, the issue is people go too far and refuse to have any actual pride in their gameplay because 'I'm not X yet'.
There's a difference between wanting to improve and acting like until you have improved you're absolutely terrible.
i played a normal last night with guys who range gold-plat, with me being a bronzer, and out plat went liss vs. diamond zyra and got utterly stomped.
most people really dont really understand what the skill level differences are. i know i've hit true smurfs in games before, and it's been like "oh, let me see, i have 50 cs... how the fark do they have 120 already" type of situations.
i've also never had someone claim to be a smurf that was a smurf before they've been able to 1v5...
basically, if someone claims to be smurfing before it's obvious, you know you gots a troll.
Joe's Stream.
I told him I was on his stream (my twitch name being the same as my LOL name) and he proceed to say to his stream that I was bad and he was going to report me. Oops he forgot I was in the room (not like he had more than 3 people watching anyway) and when I called him on his goosery he quickly appologized and looked embarassed. Yeah I guess it's not so easy to talk about people when they can hear you huh? He was also not good with Trist but still good enough to secure the easy win
Edit: He also told the other team his twitch account so the opposing team had a 5 second delay full map ward. Though again it didn't matter
PSN: SoulCrusherJared
then someone on their team dodges.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Joe's Stream.
My vision and my team working together just won us the game though. We had all outer turrets forced down before they got 1, I pinked dragons and Nunu did not counter pink so we got every dragon free, and we slowly inched out a lead. The game ended after we took mid inhib, then I put(not joking) 12 wards just in their top jungle and around baron. There was literally nowhere in their top jungle or around baron they could be where we couldn't see, so when they tried to come contest the baron we were fighting(which I cleared with oracles) we killed 3 instantly and just went and ended the game.
After I get chalice/ruby sightstone/philo/mobos on Nami, I literally only buy oracles and wards. I'll try to get Mikael's if I think it'll save my ADC, but otherwise I buy 5 to 10 green wards every back on top of my sightstone. Pretty easy to win when you have knowledge of every enemy's location all the time, heh.
Two ranked games ago. 2/3/31 out of 37 kills for my team as Nami.
Enemy Soraka (who picked Soraka into Nami) and whom i just destroyed in lane. "you're bad, you only got those assists because of your team"
"Congratulations, you understand what an assist is!"
Personally I am all for summary execution unto three generations in either direction...
but that's why Morello is evil overlord and not me.
I qouted this one a while ago but nobody carrrreeeddd
Cho'gath is a perfectly viable support too. Knockup and Silence don't need AP behind them to screw someones day.
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tons of damage indeed
The Spirit Visage/Banshee's Veil combo is pretty obnoxious, as well. By the end of the game their Eve and LeBlanc could dump both their full combos on me and I'd still have half my health.
Teach me about bruiser karma.
People I know how to play bruiser with:
Caveat: I have no idea what I'm doing.
The vague idea is that you build tanky-ish items, get in the enemy's face, lock down their movement and soak up a huge amount of damage with Karma's shield and heal. In my last game I built a Pimp Cup, Sorc Boots, Spirit Visage and Banshee's Veil; stuff like Abyssal, Rylai's, Zhonya's and Liandry's would also be good. The sort of things you might see on Elise or Amumu.
It works because she's a pseudo-support who doesn't really need any items to make an impact, so she definitely doesn't need to build glass cannon. Another source of magic damage on your team is useful, and if there's an AD carry on your team that needs extra peel then they'll love you. She's also great against top laners without hard CC because of her movement speed buffs - I've laned against a few Volibears who literally cannot touch her.
I haven't played that many games with her, but it feels like she's in a really good place and she's probably going to be one of my go-to top and mid laners for a while.
I was of the impression that Karma was someone who needed a lot of AP to have a ton of impact. I have only played her a handful of times in SR (one of which was me, mid, utterly destroying Lee Sin, and gained me my current promo series), but it seems like she is really meant to be built out of glass. What do you say to that?
Keeping in mind I am just generally bad at taking damage, so maybe this just doesn't make sense to me at a basic level. I don't think I've ever played a tank properly, though I've tried several times.
On casters, nothing tanky basically whatsoever.
On tanks, usually 0/21/9 and I have a TON of armor and MR on my runepage.
I ask because an ARAM or two made me feel as though she could really benefit from something unusual like a full CDR page or something.